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#1 Aug 06 2009 at 9:14 PM Rating: Good
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First off I want to say, aside from the lack of new races this game's looking awesome and nothing will stop me from playing it at this point, I generally love MOST of the new directions they're taking, which is good enough.

One thing that has really confused me with all the info is the lack of description of what Eorzea is to the rest of the FFXIV world. We all know it's the sacred land and that it will play a huge role in the story and gameplay, but what exactly is it? The developers have stated that Eorzea is part of the entire world, but that still is misleading. These new cities, are they in Eorzea? Or do they span across Haidririn? Are we to expect more great cities waiting to be discovered, and these 3 cities are just the main starting cities? Recently the developers stated that Eorzea is smaller than Vana'diel. We really know nothing about Haidirin, and I'm beginning to worry it will hold much less of a role than I thought. I sincerely hope Eorzea is the name of a great region, and not the entire new game world waiting to be explored, because a smaller world than Vana'diel is nothing short of a disappointment, no matter how graphically impressive it is.

I know in the FFXI intro Jeuno is mentioned as a kingdom of equal size and importance to Windy, Sandy and Bastok. If we are really are cutting it from 4 hub cities to 3 that is yet another disappointment with no excuse, it is just limiting the choices all of us fans have been begging for. Square isn't going to just suprise us out of the blue with another new massive empire in a few weeks/months (I know a lot of you are thinking and praying that SE is teasing us with the male mithra thing, which is definitely possible because it's something thousands of people have wanted and voiced their opinions on), it's not realistic. One thing I thought FFXI cities lacked was diversity of the environments. Aside from towns like Kazham (Jungle) and Selbina (tropical beach, coastal) you really couldnt put a name of the environments of the main cities (Windhurst: Steppe/plain, Bastok: Rocky plain, Sandy: Forest covered plain, Jeuno: Coastal plain)? There wasn't a desert city/town (you honestly can't call rabao anything more than an outpost), a mountain town, or even something cooler like a floating city or an underwater city (Norg and Tavnazia were a step in the right direction). Now an ocean, forest and desert city are definitely exciting, but I really hope SE doesn't stop there. We can only hope Eorzea is just a piece of Haidirin, and it will host the main storyline, with another few cities in Haidirin.

How do you think Eorzea and Haidirin fit together? Is Eorzea our Vana'diel, with Haidirin being small add ons in the future in expansion packs? Or is there a greater world beyond Eorzea that may not have a ton of story value, but still a lot to explore and cherish? Hopefully SE has more info, as it can't come soon enough!
#2 Aug 07 2009 at 6:55 AM Rating: Good
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I would imagine that Eorzea is the area which you can access in the game. Later SE might make expansions to the game which would open up other areas of Haiderin.

And a fourth city has been mentioned on the ff14 website, the one in the mountains. So ff14 probably WILL have at least four big cities.
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#3 Aug 08 2009 at 4:24 PM Rating: Good
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I thought they stated rather plainly that Eorzea was simply the continent we started on and the world was Hydaelyn. Made perfect sense to me. Eorzea is the portion of the world we'll start in, and since we are talking about only one continent or region of a larger world, it makes sense that Eorzea is smaller than the world of Vana'Diel. Future expansions will open more portions of the larger world called Hydaelyn to adventurers, just like every MMO out there.
#4 Aug 08 2009 at 5:24 PM Rating: Good
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Remember that when FFXI first came out, it only had 40ish zones. List here: http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Original_and_Zilart_Areas
#5 Aug 09 2009 at 3:39 PM Rating: Good
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Remember that when FFXI first came out, it only had 40ish zones. List here: http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Original_and_Zilart_Areas


And that was in NA. When XI released in Japan, IIRC, the Zilart areas weren't included.


The whole confusion here seems to be that with XI, people always referred to the "World" as Vana'Diel. All the expansions simply opened up places within that World.

It's the exact same thing here, except that the "World" is called Hydaelyn. Eorzea simply refers to the first portion of Hydaelyn that we'll have available to explore at launch. The way the initial trailer mentioned Eorzea led most to assume that Eorzea was the name of the planet itself, but that has been corrected by the devs.
#6 Aug 09 2009 at 5:03 PM Rating: Decent
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Yeah the explanation seemed pretty clear to me. They explained it very similarly to how they explained the FFXI world back before the NA release.

In FFXI the world is called Vana'diel. The western continent where Bastok and San d'Oria is called Quon. Windurst is located on Mindartia, the eastern continent. In addition to those three cities there was Jueno making four cities and that was the everything available to players at launch. Later a whole other continent, Aradjiah, was added later in an expansion.

In FFXIV the world is called Hydaelyn. I quote form the FFXIV site "the term Eorzea denotes the geographical region comprised of the continent of Aldenard and its surrounding islands." So it sounds to me like Eorzea refers to all areas that will be playable in the game. There will be Aldenard as a starting continent like Quon and Mindartia in FFXI. There will probably be more continents added in expansions just like Aradjiah was. Also four cites are mentioned. Limsa Lominsa, bustling port and pirate hub; Ul'dah, a desert city rich in mineral wealth; Gridania, nested deep within and ageless wood; and Ishgard, bastion atop the mountains
#7 Aug 09 2009 at 5:30 PM Rating: Good
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- The World of XIV is called Hydaelyn.
- The World of XI is called Vana'diel.

- In Hydaelyn is the continent of Aldenard and islands that surround it. This region is called Eorzea.
- In Vana'diel is the continents of Quan and Mindartia, and the islands that surround it (Elshimo, Kuzotz, and Tavnazia). This region is called the Middle Lands.

- In Eorzea, there are/were six City-States; Limsa Lominsa, Ul'dah, Gridania, Ishgard, (Unmentioned), and Ala Mihgo, which fell in the war.
- In Vana'diel, there are/were five Nations; Bastok, San d'Oria, Windurst, Jeuno, and Tavnazia, which fell in the war.

More info you can glean on the world;

- The seemingly main enemies, the Garlean Empire, are from the East.
- Ala Mihgo was located somewhere in the north, presumably on the main continent.
- Limsa Lominsa is on the island of Vylbrand, on the southern coast.
- The Lalafell come from islands south of Eorzea (much like Mithra in XI).
- The Hyur came from "other continents and islands."

Hope that clears some of the confusion up.
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#8 Aug 09 2009 at 5:36 PM Rating: Decent
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Quote:
- The World of XIV is called Hydaelyn.
- The World of XI is called Vana'diel.

- In Hydaelyn is the continent of Aldenard and islands that surround it. This region is called Eorzea.
- In Vana'diel is the continents of Quan and Mindartia, and the islands that surround it (Elshimo, Kuzotz, and Tavnazia). This region is called the Middle Lands.

- In Eorzea, there are/were six City-States; Limsa Lominsa, Ul'dah, Gridania, Ishgard, (Unmentioned), and Ala Mihgo, which fell in the war.
- In Vana'diel, there are/were five Nations; Bastok, San d'Oria, Windurst, Jeuno, and Tavnazia, which fell in the war.

More info you can glean on the world;

- The seemingly main enemies, the Garlean Empire, are from the East.
- Ala Mihgo was located somewhere in the north, presumably on the main continent.
- Limsa Lominsa is on the island of Vylbrand, on the southern coast.
- The Lalafell come from islands south of Eorzea (much like Mithra in XI).
- The Hyur came from "other continents and islands."

Hope that clears some of the confusion up.


It definitely does thank you. Hopefully the last 2 of the city states will eventually be available for exploration. I really hope there are a lot of villages in the depths of Eorzea also.

Edited, Aug 9th 2009 9:43pm by Sloannn
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