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#1 Aug 07 2009 at 7:41 AM Rating: Decent
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He makes a valid point, and I lawled.
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#2 Aug 07 2009 at 7:52 AM Rating: Excellent
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Doesn't matter. Everyone on the planet knows that G4 is paid a ton of money to keep it's lips firmly planted on Blizzard's *** to the point where every other MMO sucks before it's even finished installing on their test systems.
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#3 Aug 07 2009 at 7:57 AM Rating: Excellent
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Good Doesn't matter. Everyone on the planet knows that G4 is paid a ton of money to keep it's lips firmly planted on Blizzard's *** to the point where every other MMO sucks before it's even finished installing on their test systems.


I agree I remember when Xplay said XI sucked pfft . Thanks G4 for your douche baggery
#4 Aug 07 2009 at 8:00 AM Rating: Excellent
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Xplay was just for watching new videos, the rest was just stupidity. I can't believe I used to watch that.

oh and their jokes are so freaking lame too.
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#5 Aug 07 2009 at 8:09 AM Rating: Good
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yep i seen on the guide it was reveiwing xi, watched that epidsode and never watched it again
#6 Aug 07 2009 at 8:16 AM Rating: Good
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I didn't want to make a new thread and ruin the effect, but at the time I post this 666 threads. lol....... just sayin. /em rocks out to the sign of the devil
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#7 Aug 07 2009 at 8:19 AM Rating: Good
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I didn't want to make a new thread and ruin the effect, but at the time I post this 666 threads. lol....... just sayin. /em rocks out to the sign of the devil

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#8 Aug 07 2009 at 8:26 AM Rating: Excellent
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Haha. Indeed.
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#9 Aug 07 2009 at 8:34 AM Rating: Excellent
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He says $15 a month, but um...SE hasn't announced a subscription fee yet (unless I am seriously missing something here.)

"You get to ride a chocobo...it's an experience".

Except SE said that Chocobos will make a reappearance, but they'll serve a new purpose (if I remember correctly).

I think his comment about grinding for weapons and leveling your weapon is premature. Who said that weapons have levels?
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#10 Aug 07 2009 at 8:37 AM Rating: Excellent
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Man, everything I'm into is the underdog of that particular industry. How is it that SE is such an awesome company and has produced countless classics, yet it still seems to be the target of all the insults. Another example that comes to mind is GameTrailers writing it off as the biggest disappointment at E3. FFXI also has a horrible reputation. I don't get it.
#11 Aug 07 2009 at 8:40 AM Rating: Good
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Yeah he's an idiot, like you don't pay to play to play nearly every other MMORPG? Fifteen dollars a month is pretty cheap entertainment. I understand it was a 'joke' (haha?) but his condescending remarks were 70% of what he said about the game so why even bother bringing it up.
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#12KaneIsthara, Posted: Aug 07 2009 at 8:51 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) LOL WUT?!
#13 Aug 07 2009 at 9:15 AM Rating: Excellent
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Man, everything I'm into is the underdog of that particular industry. How is it that SE is such an awesome company and has produced countless classics, yet it still seems to be the target of all the insults. Another example that comes to mind is GameTrailers writing it off as the biggest disappointment at E3. FFXI also has a horrible reputation. I don't get it.


I've thought about this before and it really comes down to one major point:
Square Enix is a Japan-based company.

When it comes to advertising and marketing a game produced by a Japanese company mainstream American media fails horribly.

I frequently read news websites during my time at work and many of them have sections devoted to video games.

Now, I've been doing this for a long time (several years) and sometimes these websites host "Top 10, Top 5" etc lists of video games in different categories. I rarely see games developed by Japanese companies, let alone Square Enix...a company that has produced some amazing games and has a huge following.

Take msnbc.com's game section for example (a joint website by microsoft and nbc). There was a list of top 10 best selling games of all time. As far as I can remember every single one was developed in America and included GTA Vice City, GTA San Andreas, and GTA IV.

Take Game Daily for example, a website owned by AOL, which has game listings as well. Japanese developed games rarely make the lists (unless it is a list that is specifically about Japanese games in which case every single one is).

There was even a listing about big E3 announcements on msnbc and FFXIV was not even listed or mentioned once.

It's extremely disappointing to see some of the best games get almost no attention.

Mainstream media is biased, especially when it comes to TV shows and channels. On the internet anyone can set up almost any website and write down whatever they want for a very small price.

There is no way you can do that on TV. If you're going to have your own TV channel you had better say what your sponsors want you to say. Or goodbye funding, goodbye job, goodbye paycheck.
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#14 Aug 07 2009 at 12:03 PM Rating: Good
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G4 or any paid off mag can say what they want, because in the eyes of the gamer this game is even looking good to some WoW fans. The Twitterverse basically is going to explode with all the excitment from ffxiv chatter. The game will speak for itself, SE learned a lot, I personally enjoyed the learning curve, and everything ffxi had to offer. Sure this game needs some fixes, but the fact remains I cannot get into any other MMO as much as I've tried.

FFXIV will be the next Flagship MMO, and if it has some healthy competition I won't mind, I know the worlds will be far from barren and I'm assuming a bigger turn out, and splash than FFXI made. This will be a frenzy, everyones eyes are on Final Fantasy XIV. The game will literally have Million subscriptions possibly at launch..if they have enough copies of the game. I'm praying for an electronic download /pray
#15 Aug 07 2009 at 12:27 PM Rating: Decent
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This better be good. I had to allow G4 in NoScript for this. Grrr.

I'm only doing it because I like the way you used G4 as a verb (negatively). G4 is a steaming pile of garbage.

Edit: Couldn't get very far without lmao. They're talking about Aion and rather than showing actual game footage, they're showing clips from the Aion webpage videos... just the staff, talking about the game. You can't hear them. You see them talking about the game as you're listening to this lousy announcer talk about the game. Are you ******* kidding me? How incompetent can you be?

Edited, Aug 7th 2009 1:32pm by Kachi
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#16 Aug 07 2009 at 12:30 PM Rating: Decent
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Xplay was just for watching new videos, the rest was just stupidity. I can't believe I used to watch that.

oh and their jokes are so freaking lame too.


actually, i thought the jokes were pretty witty back when i watched it.
but i was 13

edit: also link is not funny, for anyone considering clicking that.

Edited, Aug 7th 2009 4:31pm by Poubelle
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I enjoy Attack of the Show, but that actually has basically nothing to do with gaming. And they don't just dismiss things without actually discussing them. Like, in their product reviews, they actually give you the good and bad points. Recommended users. Etc. Plus, they have the ******* thing with them and can show you what they are talking about. Plus, you will get to see the third-party things that aren't normally in the media nonstop. I routinely visit several gaming and news sites, and I am always finding out about new things on AotS that I hadn't seen elsewhere.

XPlay is just... painful. They can barely speak, let alone act, and their reviews are just bad. You leave knowing basically nothing about the game except whether or not they liked it.

Plus, there never seems to be a correlation in ratings. A game they RAVE about may get 4 stars, but one they were like, "Oh yeah, that's fun I guess" will get 5.

But, yeah, they are WoW obsessed. Not that it isn't a good game, but it gets a LOT of air time.

Wanna know why? Guess what percentage of their viewers play WoW? Guess what game is likely to bring in new viewers?

Yup.

It's just plain stupid for ANY show, magazine or other source to pass any judgement, pro or con, about the game right now. You have NO IDEA what ANYTHING will be like. Besides like 20 screen shots and 20-30 sentences of background info, nothing else is known. ****, we've only even been told of four classes (and that is counting the blacksmith and the fishing professions).
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#18 Aug 07 2009 at 1:18 PM Rating: Decent
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Take any review/preview you get from G4 with a grain of salt. Lord knows those guys are some of the biggest fanboys and are payed out of the *** to hype anything Microsoft and Blizzard.
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Ha ha! I remember when X-play was reviewing FFXI, actually I think it was the new expansion... Well anyway, all I remember is that they were saying it was an awful game because they were up in like Whitegate shouting for a dunes party and wondering why they wern't getting invites. All i could think was "well it would work better if you weren't in a 50+ area..." ah well never said they were smart.

Blizzard has a firm hand on them, so if it isn't Blizzard it sucks... usually if X-play says the game sucks I rent it and try it. LOL
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#20 Aug 07 2009 at 2:06 PM Rating: Decent
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Take any review/preview you get from G4 with a grain of salt.


Honestly, more like a shaker of salt.

G4 consists of two kinds of programming. Whatever gets them ratings (i.e., Cops, The Man Show) and glorified infomercials for their sponsors. Basically, they are complete and utter whores.
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#21 Aug 07 2009 at 2:10 PM Rating: Good
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I'd say it's best just to ignore G4 altogether.
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#22 Aug 07 2009 at 3:37 PM Rating: Decent
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Lol I am reminded of how I don't miss G4 much, almost all of their shows are completely not funny, and this guy spewed terrible line after terrible line in his report. I too used to watch xplay...but wow....it really just kept getting worse and worse every episode, I actually liked it when I first saw it, although I could be wrong I think that was when the channel was tech-tv and not g4.

Either way wasn't worth the time to watch because once again...its typical g4 garbage packaged in horrible jokes and **** propaganda.



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#23 Aug 07 2009 at 4:30 PM Rating: Decent
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I've thought about this before and it really comes down to one major point:
Square Enix is a Japan-based company.

When it comes to advertising and marketing a game produced by a Japanese company mainstream American media fails horribly.

I frequently read news websites during my time at work and many of them have sections devoted to video games.

Now, I've been doing this for a long time (several years) and sometimes these websites host "Top 10, Top 5" etc lists of video games in different categories. I rarely see games developed by Japanese companies, let alone Square Enix...a company that has produced some amazing games and has a huge following.

Take msnbc.com's game section for example (a joint website by microsoft and nbc). There was a list of top 10 best selling games of all time. As far as I can remember every single one was developed in America and included GTA Vice City, GTA San Andreas, and GTA IV.

Take Game Daily for example, a website owned by AOL, which has game listings as well. Japanese developed games rarely make the lists (unless it is a list that is specifically about Japanese games in which case every single one is).

There was even a listing about big E3 announcements on msnbc and FFXIV was not even listed or mentioned once.

It's extremely disappointing to see some of the best games get almost no attention.

Mainstream media is biased, especially when it comes to TV shows and channels. On the internet anyone can set up almost any website and write down whatever they want for a very small price.

There is no way you can do that on TV. If you're going to have your own TV channel you had better say what your sponsors want you to say. Or goodbye funding, goodbye job, goodbye paycheck



Fantastic point, and it isn't just with G4, tons of gaming website and magazines. Websites like Gamespot are so biased towards certain games. My favorite was when I read a review of the CoP FFXI expansion on gamespot it got torn apart because there was a lack of low-mid level content, and it was all too difficult. I think it got like a 5.0, and basically the entire review was focused on that one problem, no even mentioning how great the story and some of the new zones look. Now technically a 5.0 is an average game, but by gaming standards today most people wont buy a game that isn't an 8.0+. The funny thing was when one of the new WoW expansions came out (I didn't play WoW so I'm not sure which one it was) and I saw it got like a 9.0, and I had to read what was so phenomenal about this expansion. Gamespot had the exact same problem with the WoW expansion, lack of low-mid level content, but of course it was just an after though on their kissass report. There's so much bias (I won't even get into the whole GTA agenda, they're great games, but 4 isn't a perfect 10.0, give me a break).
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Either way wasn't worth the time to watch because once again...its typical g4 garbage packaged in horrible jokes and sh*t propaganda.


^This, 100% true! XD



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I've thought about this before and it really comes down to one major point:
Square Enix is a Japan-based company.

When it comes to advertising and marketing a game produced by a Japanese company mainstream American media fails horribly.

I frequently read news websites during my time at work and many of them have sections devoted to video games.

Now, I've been doing this for a long time (several years) and sometimes these websites host "Top 10, Top 5" etc lists of video games in different categories. I rarely see games developed by Japanese companies, let alone Square Enix...a company that has produced some amazing games and has a huge following.

Take msnbc.com's game section for example (a joint website by microsoft and nbc). There was a list of top 10 best selling games of all time. As far as I can remember every single one was developed in America and included GTA Vice City, GTA San Andreas, and GTA IV.

Take Game Daily for example, a website owned by AOL, which has game listings as well. Japanese developed games rarely make the lists (unless it is a list that is specifically about Japanese games in which case every single one is).

There was even a listing about big E3 announcements on msnbc and FFXIV was not even listed or mentioned once.

It's extremely disappointing to see some of the best games get almost no attention.

Mainstream media is biased, especially when it comes to TV shows and channels. On the internet anyone can set up almost any website and write down whatever they want for a very small price.

There is no way you can do that on TV. If you're going to have your own TV channel you had better say what your sponsors want you to say. Or goodbye funding, goodbye job, goodbye paycheck



Fantastic point, and it isn't just with G4, tons of gaming website and magazines. Websites like Gamespot are so biased towards certain games. My favorite was when I read a review of the CoP FFXI expansion on gamespot it got torn apart because there was a lack of low-mid level content, and it was all too difficult. I think it got like a 5.0, and basically the entire review was focused on that one problem, no even mentioning how great the story and some of the new zones look. Now technically a 5.0 is an average game, but by gaming standards today most people wont buy a game that isn't an 8.0+. The funny thing was when one of the new WoW expansions came out (I didn't play WoW so I'm not sure which one it was) and I saw it got like a 9.0, and I had to read what was so phenomenal about this expansion. Gamespot had the exact same problem with the WoW expansion, lack of low-mid level content, but of course it was just an after though on their kissass report. There's so much bias (I won't even get into the whole GTA agenda, they're great games, but 4 isn't a perfect 10.0, give me a break).


Oh yeah... 100% agree. Just look at August's Game Informer... Top 10 Games of E3, FFXIV isn't even mentioned even though it was mostly a shock.

Or the MMOReport on page 22, talks about the MMOs announced at E3, whats HOT and whats NOT... Dongeon Fighter Online? Huxley: The Dystopia? Jumpgate Evolution? Hmm well I don't see FFXIV on this list at all. Actually... like half the games on the list I didn't even remember seeing announced during E3 or have never heard of. Ha ha ha.

Last month in July on Game Informers MMOReport they were talking about a mix of MMO games, what had lasted over the years and what was a bomb and what needed work... yeah no FFXI.

Eh whatever, they just suck and don't know a good game when they see it... poor SE always getting ignored. /comfort

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#25 Aug 07 2009 at 5:15 PM Rating: Default
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FFXI is a pretty successful MMORPG. Infact I read a report once they have made more money off FFXI then all of their previous final fantasy games combined.

More than likely it will be 15 dollars , they really dont have to announce it. Its pretty much the standard area for subscription based models. Actually I would really wish they wouldn't go this route. They can get alot more players using the other model (free to play, but you can buy items). and from what I heard they make more money too.

To be fair, as far as popularity, FFXI really did mess up. I think they really messed up with their own fan base too since many final fantasy fans I know didnt even play 11 or did for a while and realized there was little to no storey. And people can talk about how good CoP was, and I'll agree it was good from what ive seen in MMORPGs but it didn't even compare to anything thats ever been in a FF game. So SE really messed up here. And the story is what sells FF. So I think most people are going to go towards FF14 very skeptical.

The good news though is it seems FF14 might have a bigger quest and storey focus. If they can prove this with a trailer with some sort of indication of a substainly thicker plot than ff11 it might generate alot more enthusiasim for the game. I mean lets face it, the current trailer is pratically boring. It says nothing about the storey and isn't a very impressive cutscene for a FF game either. So naturally I think FF14 is going to have very little attention until more media is released. But I believe it has the potential! Especially if 13 is good, if FF14 is comming right off the heels of this game, FF13 is going have to rock, cause if it fails no body is going out to get 14.
#26 Aug 07 2009 at 5:44 PM Rating: Decent
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I can already tell that guys has little to MMO experience outside of WoW, yet he knows everything there is to know about all things MMO...

G4tv is only good for AOTS and Code Monkeys >.>
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