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#52 Aug 10 2009 at 9:53 PM Rating: Decent
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Visiting, or something like university? You're a SAM, too, huh? Wow, we should be like the best of friends :P harhar

See I've always wished that SE would have an open forum with us, but then I hear WoW players griping "forumz rooning r game dammit," only they're articulate about it, so I really have no idea how good or bad it may be.

I fear that if there were an official forum it might encourage me to be even more vocal about my thoughts, but then I guess the lack of one has never really stopped me.
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Good games are subjective like good food is subjective. You're not going to seriously tell me that there's not a psychological basis for why pizza is great and lutefisk is revolting. The thing about subjectivity is that, as subjects go, humans actually have a great deal in common.
#53 Aug 10 2009 at 10:32 PM Rating: Good
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The forums in WoW have become increasingly important in development decisions as time progresses.

Meaning the more effort Blizzard has to put into keeping the game alive, the more they cater to the lowest common denominator. The updates/patches/massive game changes also come faster as the developers try to keep the game 'on the top' of the MMO universe.

Quite frankly, it doesn't matter if it ruins the game for the few player who have been dedicated to the game for years, as long as it pleases the new playerbase it is positive for the developers.

So yeah, listening to the playerbase will ruin your game for a certain group no matter what.

Listen to the new playerbase and the gamers you want to attract: you will earn the spite of the 'old'timers'

Listen to your core playerbase and the gamers you want to keep: you will end up with a game that is entrenched, and that doesn't feel very 'new-player-friendly'.

It is a lose-lose situation. ***** the playerbase, we aren't professional game designers. I don't know jack about really balancing a MMO. (But I can pretend to on a forum and I do ^^... so do the rest of you)
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#54 Aug 10 2009 at 10:52 PM Rating: Decent
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Uh, speak for yourself. It's not like most game designers earn their PhD in game balance, or for that matter even take a class. There's not really a lot to know about it. You fiddle with the numbers and the elements until you get the balance you want. It doesn't require any special training, aside of course from the actual coding.
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Hyrist wrote:
Ok, now we're going to get slash fiction of Wint x Kachi somehere... rule 34 and all...

Never confuse your inference as the listener for an implication of the speaker.

Good games are subjective like good food is subjective. You're not going to seriously tell me that there's not a psychological basis for why pizza is great and lutefisk is revolting. The thing about subjectivity is that, as subjects go, humans actually have a great deal in common.
#55 Aug 10 2009 at 11:24 PM Rating: Decent
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I'll advise you to consult a dictionary about the definition of a tantrum. Insulting someone because they're being thick and probably disingenuous hardly qualifies as an emotional outburst.


tantrum
n tantrum [ˈtӕntrəm]
a fit of extreme rage, with eg shouting and stamping.
"That child is always throwing tantrums."

...sounds like you, buddy. Any rational human being could respond to his/her post without being arrogant, cursing, and overall insulting and childish. And, fyi, an "emotional outburst" IS a tantrum.

Edited, Aug 11th 2009 3:28am by Kaluuki
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#56 Aug 11 2009 at 12:39 AM Rating: Decent
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..sounds like you, buddy. Any rational human being could respond to his/her post without being arrogant, cursing, and overall insulting and childish. And, fyi, an "emotional outburst" IS a tantrum.


Who the **** are you and why should I care?

If I seem arrogant it's because I'm right. The fact that you seem to think cursing is relevant at all makes me think little of your opinion. Go tell your mommy that the man on the internet is using bad words? And I'm insulting to people who I feel warrant it. This time it's you.

And I'm kind of the one who said that an emotional outburst was a tantrum in the first **** place, and that I was in no way having an emotional outburst (and even now, I am by no means emotional). Your failure at reading comprehension is not going to show me the error of my ways. It's making me think that you're yet another tard that I should just ignore.

Now if you're done interjecting this tripe into the discussion, that'd be great. Either way, we're finished here.
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Hyrist wrote:
Ok, now we're going to get slash fiction of Wint x Kachi somehere... rule 34 and all...

Never confuse your inference as the listener for an implication of the speaker.

Good games are subjective like good food is subjective. You're not going to seriously tell me that there's not a psychological basis for why pizza is great and lutefisk is revolting. The thing about subjectivity is that, as subjects go, humans actually have a great deal in common.
#57 Aug 11 2009 at 4:38 AM Rating: Default
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and what are you going to do if they don't include male mithra? are you going to not play?

cause that would be the right action, voting with your money and whatnot.
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#58 Aug 11 2009 at 4:50 AM Rating: Good
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I gotta admit, I found all the information interesting and you know what it seems exciting. I love FF11 but the sooner I dont have to go to the dunes, or have a million equiment changes or farm a million gils worth of items for gobbie bags and have to listen to eliteist ***** and moan then the better.

Basicly I see FF14 a fresh new start, new systems new gameplay a new world.
Yet im getting abit tired of reading, so how do you think ( a system from FF11) will work in FF14, or can i take my level 75 with me. Im sorry but its all abit stupid. If sqaure are honestly making FF14 as a FF11 clone then why waste all the time and dev doing it.

If people expect the game to be a carbon copy of FF11 and there going to be annoyed they cant do this and that and Ive lost my sky access and what not.

Then dont move to FF14, I like a lot of people are looking forward to the new game cause its going to be new. I love FF11 but im ready for something new from these guys. I hope alot of what we see in FF14 is new and diffrent.

***** what they did in FF11 all they need to take from that game is the experince of crafting a story and making it better for parties and people and also take the bad and scrap it crafting and what not.

As far as systems like lvling combat and stuff I welcome the new.
#59 Aug 11 2009 at 5:38 AM Rating: Decent
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and what are you going to do if they don't include male mithra? are you going to not play?

cause that would be the right action, voting with your money and whatnot.


It really depends on many more things besides male mithra, considering that I really don't intend to play a male mithra anyway. It's a possibility, but mainly I'll interpret it as SE having not really learned anything about giving their playerbase what they want, and so among many other factors it will increase the odds that I won't buy the game.

Not that what I do is any of your business.
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Hyrist wrote:
Ok, now we're going to get slash fiction of Wint x Kachi somehere... rule 34 and all...

Never confuse your inference as the listener for an implication of the speaker.

Good games are subjective like good food is subjective. You're not going to seriously tell me that there's not a psychological basis for why pizza is great and lutefisk is revolting. The thing about subjectivity is that, as subjects go, humans actually have a great deal in common.
#60 Aug 11 2009 at 10:30 AM Rating: Default
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I'll interpret it as SE having not really learned anything about giving their playerbase what they want, and so among many other factors it will increase the odds that I won't buy the game.

It's not what playerbase wants, it's just some loud forum speakers wants.

ElderGame is a very good link to read (thanks Zamzelette) and a tend to agree with some statements such as MMO company should really hear creative, productive ot somehow interesting ideas, ways to use current content or just bugs. And what not should be heard is whine about unsatisfaction of certain players on forums, especially ones like "gimme that or I quit!!!".

Because forums is a place of so-known "flame wars" (or forum wars) that even with good moderation convert any "opinion" topic into pile of garbage as some people use all sort of techniques (offense, derailing, trolling, excessive posts, harassment etc) to put emphasis on what they want and eliminate any objections - even at the expense of other wishes. I, myself, also get used to flame if I want or doesn't want something in the game. Not only my voice will be "louder" but also loudest voice tends to drive uncertain people which make it looks like that idea is more popular as it is in reality.

My opinion is if SE wants to know opinion about something - it should ask it directly some players via community sites, e-mails or something like that anonymously and not just read it on a public forum.


Edited, Aug 11th 2009 4:14pm by Phess
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