If you got addicted to the game then its your fault. SE makes the game to be fun, and they also have a goal of longevity. The disclaimer is a fair warning and more for legal reasons. If you choose to get addicted to a game then that is your choice and SE didn't make you play the game. If you choose to get so wrapped up in endgame that you became addicted then once again that is your choice. Blaming a company for your own personal choices, just shows that you are irresponsible. We are all grown up and can make grown up decisions. For the children that play then it is their parents fault, that they became addicted to a game. Be responsible for yourself and your own kids, monitor what they do and get them more involved outside of the house.
This is like saying companies should make beer nasty so people don't become addicted. Adults make the decision to go out and drink and you are responsible for your own actions. This is no different then the people that come home and play gears of war 2 all day everyday. Everything enjoyable has a risk of people becoming addicted to it. That could be playing sports, watching tv, playing video games, etc.
Saying SE made you "have" to become addicted to play the game is ridiculous. You get on the game and if you didn't want to play for long, when your time limit is up, you simply get off. If you could not fight the urge to get this gear or this level today, then thats your fault. If you wanted to be the best, so you needed that endgame gear then thats your fault again. Gear made much less of a difference then other games, so you wanting that gear was more personal then anything. If I want to be the best basketball player, i'm not going to blame the person that invented basketball, for me practicing and playing day in and day out.
Because you couldn't progress a lot in a short amount of time, that doesn't mean its their fault you got yourself addicted. Why does progression even matter that much, you could have fun as soon as you logged in. I know many rl friends that played for a little time and had fun doing many different things. Sure they didn't have 75 jobs, but they didn't care. They cared about having fun and enjoying the game in the time that they played. They made an enjoyable game that was instant fun depending on how you look at it. If you wanted elite gear and that got you addicted, then those are your wants and your fault. If you wanted to just have fun and do a couple quest and kill some mobs with your friends and log off that was possible also. Same as, if you want to just have one drink and have fun with your friends thats possible. But, don't blame the alcohol if you become an alcoholic, because its your choice at the beginning stage. You could say, Hey, I'm drinking (or playing) too much now i'm going to cut that out before it becomes a problem, or you can just keep going with it.
This thread amazes me. First, every post arguing against Shazaamemt got rated down, and all of his posts get rated up? Some one who thinks if you got addicted to FFXI you'll surely get addicted to FFXIV and shouldn't play? Not to bring up Karma but this is just retardation.
Then this post right here. Some people just do not get it, it's like trying to argue the issue of the big bang theory or evolution to a diehard 12 year old creationist. There are things they just cannot see and comprehend.
HocusP, Do you think there are people, who should become addicted? That for a group of people, it's okay to play the game 8 hours a day? Square Enix has systems in place that honestly forces you to do so if you want certain spoils, and want to do certain events. If you join a big HNMLS, which is the only way to access most of the end game content in FFXI, you are forced to do so. You shouldn't, I agree. I use to, and stopped. But does that mean it's not the companies fault for having those types of systems in place?
This isn't a argument about how responsible a adult should or shouldn't be. This is a argument about game mechanics and what it forces people into.
Because you couldn't progress a lot, doesn't mean it's their fault you got addicted.
How do I even address this statement? It's like saying "Because a drug dealer gave that homeless man free cocain everyday, doesn't mean it's their fault they became addicted". They give you a choice. Play a lot, or do not progress and become better. It eventually is too much for some people, and gets to them. They want to progress, they want to be good like they see some others, so they do what those people did, and give up their real lives to achieve those things. This is the types of systems Square Enix has in place for FFXI, and this is why so many people became addicted.
Saying SE made you "have" to become addicted to play the game is ridiculous.
When you make it to where progression in your game is accompanied by needing to play extremely long periods per day if you wish to make and progress, how is it NOT them making you addicted? It is your fault for becoming that way, but it is still them implementing the said system.
This is no different then the people that come home and play gears of war 2 all day everyday.
Um, yes it is. You can play gears of war for an hour and do all kinds of fun stuff. There is nothing requiring you to stay on for 8 hours in a sitting. I think a lot of you are just idiots who didn't reach end game, and do not realize YOU HAVE TO BE ON FOR THAT LONG, YOU HAVE TO SCHEDULE YOUR REAL LIFE AROUND FFXI, OR YOU DO-NOT-GET-THE-GEAR
from 95% of end game.
Why does progression even matter that much, you could have fun as soon as you logged in.
Because THAT IS THE POINT of a god **** video game. Progression.
SE makes the game to be fun
No they don't. Go ask ANYONE camping a NM, go ask ANYONE camping the Kings in end game, go ask ANYONE waiting around for dynamis to start, if they think it's fun. I dare you, find me one who says "I really enjoy this". They make the game addicting, so they you have the illusion that once you complete some of these almost impossible goals, you will have better gear, and better fun in the said gear.
If you wanted elite gear and that got you addicted, then those are your wants and your fault.
It's the consumers fault for wanting to become good at a video game? Really?
Everything enjoyable has a risk of people becoming addicted to it. That could be playing sports, watching tv, playing video games, etc.
You're absolutely right. But there's a reason movies aren't 8 hours long. FFXI requires you to spend those large amounts of time at it to progress in it, and to enjoy it to it's full extent.
If you choose to get so wrapped up in endgame that you became addicted then once again that is your choice.
So once again, who is it okay for to play end game? In a ideal world, no one should be addicted, everyone should have a decent life, right? Then who is end game OKAY for? Please answer me that. If it's okay for nobody, and everyone stopped end game, are you still going to tell me Square Enix isn't at fault? Or that the people to continue end game are some how exempt from the rules of humanity?
If I want to be the best basketball player, i'm not going to blame the person that invented basketball, for me practicing and playing day in and day out.
Basketball is a sport, Basketball is healthy for you. Playing that much will probably eventually land you in a college team or the NBA, and you could start making insane amounts of money. Most of the BEST basketball players STILL lead normal lives, have hobbies, and enjoy the world outside of their training.
But HocusP is one of those people, who do not understand these things. They are closed minded, they are the kind that says things cut and dry "IF SOMETHING IS WRONG THEN IT WAS YOUR FAULT". This kind of attitude makes me honestly want to cry, what has this forum come to? Where is the logic and intellectual mindset? Edited, Aug 10th 2009 4:13pm by EndlessJourney