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#1 Aug 11 2009 at 7:21 AM Rating: Decent
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So with all the rumours of Beta kicking off soon (hopefully, nothing official yet though) If they do announce the start of Beta at the TGS do you think the opportunity will be presented to JP, NA and Euro players?

Do you also think it will be on just one platform (PC, PS3) or both?

Do you think it will be open to a select few (such as FFXI players) or just an open to everyone first come first serve?

Did any of you take part in the FFXI Beta and how did you apply for it?
#2 Aug 11 2009 at 7:39 AM Rating: Decent
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NuckingFuts wrote:

So with all the rumours of Beta kicking off soon (hopefully, nothing official yet though) If they do announce the start of Beta at the TGS do you think the opportunity will be presented to JP, NA and Euro players?


Since they are saying it's going to be a same day release all over the world, I hope they give us all equal chance to try it at the same time beta wise.

NuckingFuts wrote:
Do you also think it will be on just one platform (PC, PS3) or both?


I'll say both, due to the fact they will need to check for bugs and problems on both systems.

NuckingFuts wrote:

Do you think it will be open to a select few (such as FFXI players) or just an open to everyone first come first serve?

Did any of you take part in the FFXI Beta and how did you apply for it?


I don't know exactly how they will choose who can and I wasn't part of the original beta. My friend was though and she told me once they sent her a form asking if she had a PC or PS2, and if she had a PC was the specs were. They wanted to make sure she could run the game. Either way, I can't wait for the beta and to try this game.
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#3 Aug 11 2009 at 7:43 AM Rating: Good
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If they do announce the start of Beta at the TGS do you think the opportunity will be presented to JP, NA and Euro players?


This will depend greatly on how early they wish to begin testing localization. It has been said around these forums before that the likelihood of a full world open beta right off the bat is unlikely. I know I'm just rehashing things that have been said before here, but likely it will be a JP beta, then a global beta a few months later.


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Do you also think it will be on just one platform (PC, PS3) or both?


The point of a beta is to test hardware and software to make sure everything plays nice together, I would put and exorbitant amount of money on it being on both platforms.

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Do you think it will be open to a select few (such as FFXI players) or just an open to everyone first come first serve?


This is entirely up to the whims of SE, although I would bet a early closed beta in JP (possibly through a mail contest, they seem to really love those). Then an open beta later on, again coming to the rest of the world then.
#4 Aug 11 2009 at 8:59 AM Rating: Good
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I didn't play the FFXI Beta, although I would have loved to.

Almost every game that I've applied to be in a beta for was just by signing up on a website, obtaining a beta key before they ran out, and then using it when registering for an account.

However I believe that FFXI was different and I'm assuming that FFXIV will be different as well.

I'm going to speculate that the first announcement we'll have for CB will be at TGS. But it will just be an announcement and CB won't begin then. Applications will probably begin then and a few months later people will be chosen.

A CB test for an American version of a game that's been running for years in China or S. Korea may only last a few weeks or a month.
Perfect World's US CB test was 1 week long.

CBT for a game that is just coming out (in it's country of origin) is pretty different and lengthy.

First, the sign up process will probably be like this:
Register for an account on an official website.
Fill out a form that will likely include questions such as age, education level, demographics, PC specs (Companies will want to test the game on both high-end and low-end PCs so don't worry too much if yours sucks), and probably questions on why you would like to participate.

My guess is that responses like "Because I want to help contribute to the community by testing for bugs" will be favored over "Because FFXIV IS TOTALLY AWESOME FTW!!!11! FF FOREVER!!!!!!one"

My guess is that the application is going to be in Japanese only. I don't know how Japan does game sign ups, but to participate in a Korean MMO CBT you MUST have a KSSN (Korean Social Security Number), the name that matches it, and a cell phone number. Game companies actually check, and if you register with a false name you can be heavily fined and/or imprisoned for I.D. theft.

Why do I think the application will be Japanese only?
Because sometimes CBTs are done in sections. The first will probably be a basic function test, such as 'do all the buttons work', 'does it run on everyone's pc', 'can everyone accept quests', 'are there major glitches'?

After a CBT1 test they may put out an application for more players to join. I believe this way done in Mabinogi Heroes CBT2 test. They advertised their second CBT asking more people to join.

A CBT2 test will probably be things like doing more difficult quests and partying together. Seeing how large groups of people act together and if they need to tweak any of the games mechanics. People will reach higher levels and test out more content.
I'd imagine that this will be open to more players and to US and EU.

Afterwards there will probably be a Stress Test which may last for a few days to a week (since this game is going to be played on a large scale, I'm sure).
At this point several more people will be able to register and it may even be open registration.
The servers will open and everyone will flood in...such is the purpose of a Stress Test. To see how well the servers handle a sudden influx of players.

When the Stress Test is over the servers will probably go back down and everyone's character will be whiped. SE will eventually release a major patch and OBT will begin.

This is just what I am expecting. It could be very different, especially since I have no idea how FFXI CBT was handled.



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#5 Aug 11 2009 at 9:40 AM Rating: Decent
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1. Since they announced that the game will be available on day one in all regions, I'm sure they will be doing the same for Beta.

2. They will do both. PS3 may start like 2-4 weeks before PC one though just like they did with FFXI.

3. Probably first come first serve.

4. Yes. They had an application for it on their website, fill out the form then pray for a few weeks. Form question consisted of connection speed/PC performance/etc.

Eagerly anticipating FFXIV Beta, or some gameplay footage to tie me over for a while.
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#6Mumja, Posted: Aug 11 2009 at 10:01 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) But the ps2 version of FFXI came out AFTER the pc version.
#7 Aug 11 2009 at 10:14 AM Rating: Good
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Originally in JP land I believe the PS2 version was released first and then ported to PC.... thats one of the main reasons the whole "PS2 Limitations" thing came about. I could be wrong on this, but I don't think I am.
#8 Aug 11 2009 at 10:23 AM Rating: Decent
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Thanks for the info guys :)

I hope that they don't allow Beta Testers to carry over their chars to when the game goes live. One of the few things that annoyed me about when I first started (NA PS2 launch day) was that there were always a bunch of people that had been in the game for ages before I arrived and were really helpful and gave me loads of advice and helped me progress through the early stages of the game swiftly.... that doesn't really sound like a bad thing does it?, but whilst there intentions were good I think it would of been a much better experience to be in the same boat as everyone else and trying to figure out the game for myself and intitialy being quite clueless as to how to ace quests or where quest givers are.
#9 Aug 11 2009 at 10:48 AM Rating: Good
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I hope they do it based on /playtime, I'd be a shoo-in!
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#10 Aug 11 2009 at 11:01 AM Rating: Good
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YfandesofBismarck wrote:
Since they are saying it's going to be a same day release all over the world, I hope they give us all equal chance to try it at the same time beta wise.


This comment makes me think that you have the wrong ideas about why they will have a beta test.

Beta tests aren't intended to let an end user get the feel of the software. It's not a "trial version". Too many times, I see this type of thinking from "beta testers". If you're going to attempt to get into the beta with the intention of just trying FFXIV out to see if you like it, then please don't and let some real beta testers in your places. *This statement is generalized to everyone, no pointing of fingers to a specific person.*

If you want to know how the game is, read reviews. If you get into the beta, make your time in the beta worthwhile. Look for glitches and problems. Report the problems. Help them get the game to as close as flawless as it can be. While you're doing so, get the feel of the game and decide if you will want to buy the end product. Just don't make that the only reason you get in.
#11 Aug 11 2009 at 11:13 AM Rating: Decent
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At this point I think I would rather just wait until release. Beta for MMOs tend to be extremely buggy and have incomplete content. I mean, it's expected, but for a game like FF14 I want it to be polished and complete when I play it.
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#12 Aug 11 2009 at 11:26 AM Rating: Default
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i got to do the beta best part about it was helping fix bug and glitches, but best party of ffxi was the beta for me having such huge community at the time
#13 Aug 11 2009 at 7:07 PM Rating: Good
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Although I am sad to say this but I'm betting that the first few CBT will be Japan only. The reason is mostly due to language barrier.

Although this may be simplified, reporting bugs in a beta should go as:
Report problem >> Middle man jots down problem >> Middle man sends problem to developers >> Developers handle problem

If it is a world wide beta from the beginning you would have to add an NA-Euro/Japanese translator in there to translate said problem in order for the developers to understand. Since most of the developers wouldn't be able to comprehend English on a fluid level.

I am pretty sure they will add in NA and Euro players during beta test along the lines in order to stress test their servers, although they probably wouldn't have to go so deep into this because they should have a good idea of server capabilities coming from FFXI.
#14 Aug 11 2009 at 8:12 PM Rating: Good
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kyansaroo wrote:
I hope they do it based on /playtime, I'd be a shoo-in!


Ha! Same here, I hope they look at things like that. My PC has some pretty good specs. It is not the ABSOLUTE top of the line on the market, but it is close.

As far as beta testers, I do really hope that at least most of them are based on how much playtime they had in FFXI. Not to be elitist or anything, but it will be a lot better for folks who have spent a ton of time and know all the ins and outs of FFXI to do testing on FFXIV. Personally I have 1027 days playtime, 12 level 75 jobs, I've killed everything in the game aside from PW and AV, and have done all kinds of things in different kinds of ways. Low manning things, soloing and duoing things, etc. I really hope this gets me into Beta.

I don't want to see just "First come first serve" where people who were not well versed in FFXI are using resources to Beta Test a game. If they leave the testing to the people with the most experience, then when the game DOES come out it will be a lot more enjoyable for the newer people, and older ones alike.
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#15 Aug 12 2009 at 2:26 PM Rating: Decent
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I did play the beta for FFXI and this is that they did. First SE had a sign up on their website where you could fill out an application for the beta they only let you apply for 1 version PS2 or PC. However if you didn't get in that they also had partner sites such as, IGN, Gamespot, Nvidia, ATI, Alienware ect who ran their own contests to give out the PC version. They also had extra PS2 versions given out through GAP (Gamer Advisory Panel) on Sony's site. The beta went right up till like 2 weeks before the NA PC release and chars were wiped though.

No clue on what they plan to do for FFXIV but it might be something similar.
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EndlessJourney wrote:
kyansaroo wrote:
I hope they do it based on /playtime, I'd be a shoo-in!


Ha! Same here, I hope they look at things like that. My PC has some pretty good specs. It is not the ABSOLUTE top of the line on the market, but it is close.

As far as beta testers, I do really hope that at least most of them are based on how much playtime they had in FFXI. Not to be elitist or anything, but it will be a lot better for folks who have spent a ton of time and know all the ins and outs of FFXI to do testing on FFXIV. Personally I have 1027 days playtime, 12 level 75 jobs, I've killed everything in the game aside from PW and AV, and have done all kinds of things in different kinds of ways. Low manning things, soloing and duoing things, etc. I really hope this gets me into Beta.

I don't want to see just "First come first serve" where people who were not well versed in FFXI are using resources to Beta Test a game. If they leave the testing to the people with the most experience, then when the game DOES come out it will be a lot more enjoyable for the newer people, and older ones alike.



You do know this is an entirely different game, right? That your extensive knowledge of 11 will mean jack in 14? What makes you more qualified to beta 14 than "joe schmo i applied before you"?

Personally, I'd like to see some people with no MMO experience at all doing the beta. You never know what kinda innovative ideas they may come up with for playability problems that the beta version may have. New eyes to the problems, and all that.
#17 Aug 15 2009 at 5:34 AM Rating: Decent
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That's very unlikely. At the very least someone with NO MMO experience isn't likely to have much valuable insight. People who have played the game for years have thought about ways in which certain game systems work, and seen firsthand the problems and solutions that accompany them. People with no experience frequently make suggestions on forums, and they typically offer suggestions that have already been demonstrated to be flawed.

Now, why FFXI in particular, you might be able to argue. I can think of several reasons, though none of them really seem all -that- compelling. It could be that they want the impressions of people who are within their demographic share of the MMO, or it could be a simple form of fan loyalty, and/or a number of things in between.
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#18 Aug 15 2009 at 7:25 AM Rating: Decent
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Handing out Beta Keys influenced by FFXI /playtime would just seem unprofessional and unreasonable.

FFXIV got another system in probably all aspects of the game...experience in FFXI won't mean **** in FFXIV. It can be an advantage, but if SE will choose Beta-Tester by this...this would be against any logic of what Beta Tests are used for. Beta Tests is not for players to get a feel for FFXIV and see if they like it or not!

It's about doing everything the game offers and see if all works as intended or not!

/playtime in FFXI won't help anything on that behalf...

And why should they choose FFXI only players...they could also say, we want beta testers with experience in several different types of MMORPGs...

Well regarding the Beta Test itself.

I would assume they start Beta Tests for PC/PS3 simultanously as both are released simultanously and they have to test it for both platforms if everything works just fine. Would be ridiculous if they only test it one platform, it gets released and the other platform got loginproblems or w/e because the software doesn't work right for both platforms!

I sure hope there are ways for the "public" to get Beta Keys, but I would assume it will run through a "Register here and MAYBE get your Bety Key" system. I'm fine either way! I would love to play in Beta, but even if I don't play FFXIV during Beta there will be no problem to get enough information on how it works etc.
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