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#1 Aug 12 2009 at 12:26 PM Rating: Decent
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It's been four years since I've played FFXI, and roughly the same amount of time since I've been on these forums. I highly doubt any of you remember me, but in case you do, hello again! :-)

When I first heard about FFXIV a few weeks ago, a friend informed me that Square-Enix is looking into making it for Mac, which I think would be fantastic because I use a Mac for college. However, I haven't been able to find any substantial information on this. Since you all are so in tune with with the latest news, what is the feasibility of FFXIV for Mac? If Square-Enix does make it, do you think it'll be released along with the PC and PS3 versions, or later on? And why does everyone seem to be so up-in-arms about the possibility as a bad thing...I don't understand how making the game available on multiple platforms is something to fear.
#2 Aug 12 2009 at 12:34 PM Rating: Good
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It probably won't, but who knows? MacOS is more common than Windows in Japan.

All things considered, it's generally a wise idea to release your game on MacOS if you are willing to take the time to develop it. Even though only around 10% of computers are Macs, a Mac version of a game tends to get much better sales than you would immediately suspect.

This is due to a simple reason: There is virtually no competition with other games on MacOS. You can reasonable expect 30-40% of your sales to be for the MacOS if you are releasing for Windows and Mac.

And that's worth the development investment IMO.
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#3 Aug 12 2009 at 1:14 PM Rating: Good
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I wouldn't be too surprised if they made a version for the Mac.

Macs were not nearly as popular several years ago as they are now. Way back then it was sort of rare to see good games for the Mac.

I had a friend who LOVED his Mac and constantly talked about it.
Whenever I would tell him about a great game I was playing he would say "Wow, too bad I can't play it."
"Why not?" I'd ask.
"Oh, well, they don't make it for the Mac..."

Now there are more games and more programs being made for the Mac than before.
Even if it isn't, you might be able to play it by emulating Windows. That's what a lot of folks do.
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#4 Aug 12 2009 at 2:19 PM Rating: Decent
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You can use boot camp on mac to run windows, which could then let you play the game. Probably your best option at this point SE didn't release any information about a version for Mac.
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#5 Aug 12 2009 at 2:44 PM Rating: Good
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Quoted from myself in an earlier thread:


As for supporting the game on Macs, no, it's not going to happen. It's stupid to think that it would be economically feasible to bother porting the game from DirectX to OpenGL for a Mac, there just isn't large enough of an audience.

SE is not going to bother when the majority of mac users, myself included, also make full use of Bootcamp.


Just use bootcamp.
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#6 Aug 12 2009 at 3:07 PM Rating: Decent
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Kirbster wrote:
Quoted from myself in an earlier thread:

As for supporting the game on Macs, no, it's not going to happen. It's stupid to think that it would be economically feasible to bother porting the game from DirectX to OpenGL for a Mac, there just isn't large enough of an audience.

SE is not going to bother when the majority of mac users, myself included, also make full use of Bootcamp.

Just use bootcamp.

I agree that Square is not going to make a Mac port, but I do strongly disagree that it is not economically feasible to port a game to Mac.

When you release an MMO on Windows, you are competing with how many games? Well if you count F2P and Micro games, there's at least a few hundred other games you are competing with. If you only count P2P games, it's at around fifty competitors.

If you release an MacOS port of an MMO, who are you competing with? Well, there's... World of Warcraft... and... World of Warcraft.

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Even though Macs only make up around 10% of computers, you are going to get a much deeper saturation of the MacOS market with a game, than you would among Windows users, due to the lack of competition. In the end, you would be looking at around a 2:1 ratio of Windows Users to mac Users.

Are you saying that it would cost over half already existing development costs to produce a MacOS port and support it? I find that a stretch of the imagination.

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Of course, the FFXIV situation is complicated by the fact that they are already spreading their game release between 3 different systems. Because of that, adding MacOS as their 4th platform would not have as large of an impact as if they were going from a Windows exclusive release, to a Windows and Mac release.

Edited, Aug 12th 2009 7:07pm by Karelyn
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#7 Aug 12 2009 at 3:35 PM Rating: Decent
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Karelyn wrote:
It probably won't, but who knows? MacOS is more common than Windows in Japan.


Actually, it's even less common over there than it is here.
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Kokorozashi wrote:
Karelyn wrote:
It probably won't, but who knows? MacOS is more common than Windows in Japan.

Actually, it's even less common over there than it is here.

MacOS has outsold Windows for the past two years in Japan.

And if you want more sources, just feel free to Google it. It's REALLY easy to find.
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#9 Aug 12 2009 at 3:53 PM Rating: Default
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Mac users are way to snotty to play a Final Fantasy game.
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#10 Aug 12 2009 at 3:55 PM Rating: Good
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Of course, the FFXIV situation is complicated by the fact that they are already spreading their game release between 3 different systems. Because of that, adding MacOS as their 4th platform would not have as large of an impact as if they were going from a Windows exclusive release, to a Windows and Mac release.


And there's the rub. Do you know how many resources it would take to additionally recode content for Macs in addition to consoles and the PC?

Most gamers who have macs, I would assume, also have a next gen console, AND use bootcamp. It's simply just not worth the effort.


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Karelyn wrote:
It probably won't, but who knows? MacOS is more common than Windows in Japan.

Actually, it's even less common over there than it is here.


I wouldn't say less common, but to say that it's more common than windows is ridiculous. My buddy in Tokyo just laughed when I told him that.


Karelyn wrote:
Kokorozashi wrote:
Karelyn wrote:
It probably won't, but who knows? MacOS is more common than Windows in Japan.

Actually, it's even less common over there than it is here.

MacOS has outsold Windows for the past two years in Japan.

And if you want more sources, just feel free to Google it. It's REALLY easy to find.


Of course, you realize that is extremely misleading as everyone stuck with XP instead of buying Vista. Lies, **** lies and statistics etc.

Edited, Aug 12th 2009 5:29pm by Kirbster
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#11 Aug 12 2009 at 4:57 PM Rating: Good
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Karelyn wrote:
Kokorozashi wrote:
Karelyn wrote:
It probably won't, but who knows? MacOS is more common than Windows in Japan.

Actually, it's even less common over there than it is here.

MacOS has outsold Windows for the past two years in Japan.

And if you want more sources, just feel free to Google it. It's REALLY easy to find.
I found the link to the original Japanese article (which reads like a promotional advertisement) and 5 English pages that word for word ripped/cited the one you linked! Do they count as additional sources? :O

Srsly though, the only macs I've seen the past two times I've been to Japan were in the Apple store in Tokyo or brought by my friends. It makes sense that the number of OS sold within 1 month might be very high for Apple at that time period (a big new release month for them w/ nothing new from competitors), but the total number of machines running a Mac OS there is still very low compared to the number running windows.

side note: Data was only collected from that one chain of stores

Edited, Aug 12th 2009 9:01pm by shintasama
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#12 Aug 12 2009 at 5:08 PM Rating: Good
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Karelyn wrote:
Kokorozashi wrote:
Karelyn wrote:
It probably won't, but who knows? MacOS is more common than Windows in Japan.

Actually, it's even less common over there than it is here.

MacOS has outsold Windows for the past two years in Japan.

And if you want more sources, just feel free to Google it. It's REALLY easy to find.


Actually, I did look at that article before I posted. It's pretty misleading unless you read closely what they're really talking about, which is an increase in the popularity of a new version of Mac OS versus Windows during October 2007, the month it was released. Overall, as in the US, Mac is probably becoming more and more popular, but it seems the Japanese market is pretty hard for Apple to break into, whether with computers or mobile phones. Lately I've heard they're starting to get a foothold, though.

EDIT: I should add that I'm not correcting you because I think SE should or shouldn't make a Mac version, I just happened across the statement and felt the need to mention it. I've spent time over there and I work in a Japanese office currently, and I just didn't want anyone to get the wrong impression about the OS situation over there.

Edited, Aug 12th 2009 6:14pm by Kokorozashi
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#13 Aug 12 2009 at 8:45 PM Rating: Decent
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They are doing PS3 that means they are doing OpenGL. It wouldn't be difficult for them to do a Mac client. Doubt they will though and I'm a Mac user.
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