Forum Settings
       
1 2 Next »
This Forum is Read Only

FFXIV for 360 PetitionFollow

#52 Aug 26 2009 at 5:19 PM Rating: Decent
**
401 posts
I only own a PC but **** I support this game being on as many platforms as possible...the more players there are to support the game the better in my opinion. Although I don't think some petition is going to make much of a difference, but like someone said SE and microsoft are rumored to be trying to work something out so I wouldn't put it past being on the 360. Btw drop the fanyboyism sh*t, it benefits EVERYONE for it to be on as many systems as it can.

Edited, Aug 26th 2009 8:19pm by Ipwnrice
____________________________
FFXI: Server Ifrit
Licksthekitty - 68THF/41WHM/37NIN/30BLM/20COR Mithra Retired

WoW: Realm Darkspear
Claybosmash - 80 Orc Warrior Retired
Ipwnrice - 70 Undead Rogue Retired


#53 Aug 30 2009 at 9:35 PM Rating: Decent
Scholar
*
158 posts
RavenshadowSiren wrote:
Is there a petition somewhere that I could sign to bring this to the 360?

Doesn't make sense to include the console with the larger marketshare for an mmo, specially when the previous game (ffxi) was released on it.



i have a 360... and i think a petition is a bad idea... there are a lot more factors than you might realize. besides just the amount of people tho want to play it on 360.

for one thing, for how long the dev process is already based on ps3 and "high" end pc requirements, suddenly making a 360 port would most likely be sloppy and terrible.

There are many others, such as paying for both gold membership + the monthly fee of the game. I know a lot of people payed for xi like this, but personally i wouldnt... i'm already paying for my box's online gaming, i don't want to pay more for it.. i would pay for my pc tho... i dunno y really, but i would.



Edited, Aug 31st 2009 1:39am by Bocomi
____________________________
Asurean Taru

75 WHM
75 BRD
51 SMN
43 DRK
38 SAM
37 BLM
29 WAR
#54DarkEnergy, Posted: Sep 01 2009 at 2:07 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I seriously doubt ff14's graphics will even be on par with Gears of War 1. In fact, from the videos I seen so far, they would not come near pushing the 360 or ps3 to the max. My crappy geforce 6800 graphics card looks like it could handle the graphics I seen in the video of em fighting the birds.
#55 Sep 01 2009 at 7:27 AM Rating: Good
***
1,049 posts
Quote:
I seriously doubt ff14's graphics will even be on par with Gears of War 1. In fact, from the videos I seen so far, they would not come near pushing the 360 or ps3 to the max. My crappy geforce 6800 graphics card looks like it could handle the graphics I seen in the video of em fighting the birds.

The 360 and PS3 are pretty equal in the graphics department anyway.

MMOs run on a completely different standard than 6-hour-long console games, and end up using far more processing power. FFXI's graphics are lackluster when compared with PS2 games like God of War, Gran Turismo, or Grand Theft Auto (note: not necessarily my taste in games :p), and yet it still has major limitations. Games like Gears of War are short and not as hardware intensive. Even a longer game with great graphics like Lost Odyssey, Oblivion, or Mass Effect isn't a fair comparison. Free-roaming online games simply function differently.

On the other hand, FFXIV is meant to keep improving over time in the graphics department, unlike its predecessor. Not that there won't be the option to keep the game at low specs on a console, but if you're "worried" about FFXIV pushing your computer / PS3 / 360's limits, don't. =P
#56 Sep 01 2009 at 9:56 PM Rating: Good
Scholar
*
158 posts
i hope it pushes my pc's limitations... i dunno if it will though... but i hope... and... the graphics did look relatively good... even if they werent amazing... its like... super alpha play, it pretty much means nothing.

oh and half the reason gears looked so good was because of the style it was done in and the way they did their textures (which is definitely not a bad thing) but people mistake style for graphics which are definitely not one in the same. either way ... above post is right... mmos are on a completely different graphics scale than other games. in mmos things on the screen tend to move slower, stay in the players view for a more extended period of time, and require many many things to be loaded on screen at once all while being sent/recieved and synced to servers and other players.
____________________________
Asurean Taru

75 WHM
75 BRD
51 SMN
43 DRK
38 SAM
37 BLM
29 WAR
#57 Sep 02 2009 at 2:24 AM Rating: Decent
Avatar
****
4,775 posts
RavenshadowSiren wrote:
Is there a petition somewhere that I could sign to bring this to the 360?

Doesn't make sense to include the console with the larger marketshare for an mmo, specially when the previous game (ffxi) was released on it.



3 red lights of doom... Nuff' said
#58 Sep 02 2009 at 3:48 AM Rating: Decent
Scholar
*
181 posts
Why don't you make the petition yourself? However... I don't think it will have much success, most of xbox players are shooting games fans.
____________________________
XIV
Bosco Firebrander, Gladiator of Thanalan.

XI
(Retired) 2004-2008 ( He lies in Uleguerand Range, under the cold white snow ).
#59 Sep 02 2009 at 5:09 AM Rating: Excellent
Scholar
***
1,478 posts
ok,

xbox 360 fanboys stop. It's not SE, it's Microsoft's policy holding up FFXIV 360. IT'S MICROSOFT's requirement for people to pay for Gold membership to play online multiplayer games. So go over to the xbox live forums and post threads about petitions to drop gold membership as a requirement for online multiplayer games.
____________________________
[img]http://sigs.enjin.com/sig-ffxiv/3529_48d6215903dff562.png[/img]
Rai [Elvaan] [Rank 10] [Leviathan]
75PLD | 50RNG| 75NIN | 56WAR | 37RDM | 44BLU | 45BST | 37THF | 26WHM | 40BLM | 20BRD | 11COR | 22MNK | 37DRK | 75DRG | 37SAM | 18SMN | 8PUP
#60 Sep 02 2009 at 2:03 PM Rating: Decent
Scholar
*
180 posts
kgav wrote:
ok,

xbox 360 fanboys stop. It's not SE, it's Microsoft's policy holding up FFXIV 360. IT'S MICROSOFT's requirement for people to pay for Gold membership to play online multiplayer games. So go over to the xbox live forums and post threads about petitions to drop gold membership as a requirement for online multiplayer games.


I wish they'd drop the gold membership fee from all multiplayer games. No other game platform requires a monthly fee for online gaming, and they already rip their players off enough with most peripherals costing 2-3 times what they should. I don't play online often, but every once in awhile - maybe 3-4 times a year - I'll actually want to jump into a multiplayer game with a friend. With Xbox's fee based online play, I can't justify spending $50 for that and cancelled my gold account after the first year. They need to stop being so stubborn and profit mongering because it's detrimental to their users. FFXIV not coming to 360 is a perfect example.
#61 Sep 02 2009 at 10:22 PM Rating: Default
Scholar
*
158 posts
ok... you realize that because you pay for xbox live, game dev companies don't have to pay nearly as much to buy their own servers and then continue to pay on upkeep, microsoft handles all of it and the dev companies basically rent the servers...

ps3 on the other hand a dev company has to buy and upkeep all their own servers, something that for a lot of companies is a lot more difficult than it sounds and is definitely a reason why a lot of devs chose 360 over ps3.

because most companies don't charge for online play (exception: SE) for individual games and don't think players should because by the time you have 3 or 4 games online games it can be a hefty monthly fee for players. Going microsoft is definitely an appealing choice. That way, you don't necessarily have to keep relying on game sales over a long period of time, you are basically banking on the fact that people will continuously buy your game brand new over the course of 1 year or more, for most games after initial release and a few months later sales are going to drop, so what is supplying the money for the servers?

well you make another game and sell it etc. etc. well... all that money you spent on servers hampers your budget for the new game title and you are not going to be able to put as much into it as you could have otherwise.

its not a bad thing to pay 50$ a year for a broadened all game(nearly) online access

I would rather have reliability over all servers knowing they are all run by competent people with funds to keep them up accross all the games I want to play than leaving it up to developement companies that may or may not be able to keep the servers running smoothly at all times...

I realize that ps3's servers have gotten a lot better, don't get me wrong, i don't have a problem with the ps3, in fact I like it. And i'm not saying that 360's online system is necessarily better by any means... I am simply saying that paying yearly is not necessarily a bad thing. I realize it is more money out of consumer's pockets but there are reasons behind it and it isn't greed. its the same reason you have to pay monthly for ffxi or ffxiv but no one here is complaining about that. the main issue is when these 2 things collide making your online fee greater by having 2 of them.
____________________________
Asurean Taru

75 WHM
75 BRD
51 SMN
43 DRK
38 SAM
37 BLM
29 WAR
#62 Sep 03 2009 at 12:06 AM Rating: Decent
Scholar
***
2,153 posts
Quote:
...because most companies don't charge for online play (exception: SE) for individual games...

Who is the "most companies" in this sentence? Game companies for which online play is just an add-on feature, or companies specializing in online RPGs? And among the latter, do you include or exclude those that rip off their addicted playerbase with microtransactions?
Quote:
...by the time you have 3 or 4 games online games...

Wow. Don't those players have to eat, sleep, go to school/work?
Quote:
...but there are reasons behind it and it isn't greed...

Agreed 100%. It's got nothing to do with greed. Microsoft just tries to force game companies into their own infrastructure to secure a central position in the online gaming market as a whole. Luckily we all know Microsoft is one of world's leading non-profit organizations, so once they have secured their grip, service quality will inevitably rise. After all, they know how things are done right in the best interest of both their customers and the game companies whose market access they control. And they would never charge a cent just because they "can".

(:cough:)


Edited, Sep 3rd 2009 4:45am by Rinsui
#63 Sep 03 2009 at 7:51 AM Rating: Good
Scholar
***
1,478 posts
@ Bocomi

You do realize that your entire post is irrelevant to the conversation at hand.

SE(FFXI), Blizzard(WoW), NCsoft(too many to care), EA(Mystic-Warhammer Online), Turbine(LotR Online), Funcom(AoC) ALL CHARGE FOR PLAY. I repeat they all charge for play because the MMO genre requires the developer/publisher to create, maintain and all around manage their own servers. Yes that's right apparently you did not realize all that time you played FFXI that you were connecting to SE servers and if you play WoW you connect to Blizzard servers. It's all magically done over this thing called the Internet which in actuality is not owned by Microsoft.

With FFXI on 360 you only need Silver Pass to connect to SE's servers and play SE's game which SE has incurred all cost of ownership. You already pay an ISP, you pay SE for FFXI, but Microsoft wants to get their piece of the pie.

SE does not want to jump through legal hoops because Microsoft wants to be ********* and force MMO users to all have to pay for gold to play MMOs on 360. IF SE put it out for 360 knowing people have to pay an extra $50 a year to play it on 360, down the line there will be people who sue SE because they are retards who have 360s but can't read the fine print and at some point cancel their gold membership and realize they can't play FFXIV anymore. SImple solution don't put it out for 360 until Microsoft allows MMOs to connect to the developer's/publisher's Servers with silver like MS did with FFXI.

IF you are connecting to game servers owned by the developer/publisher then you should not have to pay for gold membership period. Most if not all of the big name multiplatform titles FPS and such have their own servers for the PC and PS3 players.
Edited, Sep 3rd 2009 11:51am by kgav

Edited, Sep 3rd 2009 12:01pm by kgav
____________________________
[img]http://sigs.enjin.com/sig-ffxiv/3529_48d6215903dff562.png[/img]
Rai [Elvaan] [Rank 10] [Leviathan]
75PLD | 50RNG| 75NIN | 56WAR | 37RDM | 44BLU | 45BST | 37THF | 26WHM | 40BLM | 20BRD | 11COR | 22MNK | 37DRK | 75DRG | 37SAM | 18SMN | 8PUP
#64 Sep 03 2009 at 10:29 AM Rating: Decent
Scholar
***
3,917 posts
Well I really hope all it is that's stopping a port to 360 is the MS Live thing. That's something that can be worked on at least. If it was a technical problem then there would be little hope.

Personally I can't see it being a huge technical problem since the 360 is about as powerful as many average PC's out there and certainly more streamlined for gaming. Certainly I've not been overly impressed with differences in PS3 vs. 360 graphics. So it's got to be a lot closer than PS2 to 360 ever was.

____________________________
Mirabelle
Race: Mithra
Server: Ifrit
75COR/75RDM/75RNG/45THF/37BLM/38WHM/37NIN/37DRK/41BLU/37DNC/37SAM/37WAR/37SCH
#65 Sep 03 2009 at 12:59 PM Rating: Decent
*
237 posts
kgav wrote:
@ Bocomi

You do realize that your entire post is irrelevant to the conversation at hand.

SE(FFXI), Blizzard(WoW), NCsoft(too many to care), EA(Mystic-Warhammer Online), Turbine(LotR Online), Funcom(AoC) ALL CHARGE FOR PLAY. I repeat they all charge for play because the MMO genre requires the developer/publisher to create, maintain and all around manage their own servers. Yes that's right apparently you did not realize all that time you played FFXI that you were connecting to SE servers and if you play WoW you connect to Blizzard servers. It's all magically done over this thing called the Internet which in actuality is not owned by Microsoft.

With FFXI on 360 you only need Silver Pass to connect to SE's servers and play SE's game which SE has incurred all cost of ownership. You already pay an ISP, you pay SE for FFXI, but Microsoft wants to get their piece of the pie.

SE does not want to jump through legal hoops because Microsoft wants to be ********* and force MMO users to all have to pay for gold to play MMOs on 360. IF SE put it out for 360 knowing people have to pay an extra $50 a year to play it on 360, down the line there will be people who sue SE because they are retards who have 360s but can't read the fine print and at some point cancel their gold membership and realize they can't play FFXIV anymore. SImple solution don't put it out for 360 until Microsoft allows MMOs to connect to the developer's/publisher's Servers with silver like MS did with FFXI.

IF you are connecting to game servers owned by the developer/publisher then you should not have to pay for gold membership period. Most if not all of the big name multiplatform titles FPS and such have their own servers for the PC and PS3 players.
Edited, Sep 3rd 2009 11:51am by kgav

Edited, Sep 3rd 2009 12:01pm by kgav


(this isn't fact, this is my impression on how XBOXlive works vs PS3)

I don't think the Xbox connects to the internet the same as PS3. I think you get a direct IP connect with a XboXLive hub, and access multiplay from the server. Ps3's i believe connect players to a host PS3 or host server from IP.

Like you said FFXI only requires a FREE silver account to access the SE servers. But the case maybe that everyone who plays FFXI on xbox are routed through the xbox live hub and onto SE server. Which costs MS money in the end.

So depending on all the legal mumbo jumbo MS as set up for online access, there maybe some issues to overcome.

It's would be in SE best interests to put FFXIV on as maybe outlets as possbile to succeed. But MS is also out to make money so they want want to get piad too.
____________________________
FFXIV has it's first official RMT'r: Zyuu
#66 Sep 03 2009 at 1:27 PM Rating: Default
32 posts
lmao @ a petition to bring this to xbox360

good luck with that
#67 Sep 03 2009 at 8:23 PM Rating: Good
Scholar
***
1,478 posts
Seven,

PS3 and PS2 connect to the internet like any PC would. PS2 connects to FFXI servers directly, the POL software on the PS2 connects to SE's servers no middle-man. We call PS3 and Xbox 360 consoles but they are more like PCs then consoles of the past. If Xbox 360's internet access is filtered entirely through MS's xbox-live, then that is a limitation MS built into the 360's OS.
____________________________
[img]http://sigs.enjin.com/sig-ffxiv/3529_48d6215903dff562.png[/img]
Rai [Elvaan] [Rank 10] [Leviathan]
75PLD | 50RNG| 75NIN | 56WAR | 37RDM | 44BLU | 45BST | 37THF | 26WHM | 40BLM | 20BRD | 11COR | 22MNK | 37DRK | 75DRG | 37SAM | 18SMN | 8PUP
#68 Sep 04 2009 at 8:46 AM Rating: Decent
*
237 posts
Kgav,
Yeah i understand that the consoles are like PC's they connect to the same internet. From what I understand. (I could be wrong) but when you connect to the internet on Xbox you are routed to the live servers, and from there you are routed to the host. On PS3 you connect to the internet and you are free to roam where you please. No middleware on Ps3 to connect to a games server.

Time will tell how things play out. FFXI accesses though a silver account just fine, I'm sure MS won't want to lose out to sony on this one. Final Fantasy is a huge name.

Money is the driving force behind behind this. Wether it's MS holding to it's guns and not backing down from a gold membership or Sony paying huge bucks to keep it time exclusive on launch, and contracting that no mention of a Xbox version available til a certin date.

I own both consoles. So i'm good either way. I just want FFXIV to be a success. No room for fanboyism in this genre.
____________________________
FFXIV has it's first official RMT'r: Zyuu
#69 Sep 04 2009 at 1:14 PM Rating: Decent
Scholar
*
158 posts
Quote:
SE does not want to jump through legal hoops because Microsoft wants to be ********* and force MMO users to all have to pay for gold to play MMOs on 360. IF SE put it out for 360 knowing people have to pay an extra $50 a year to play it on 360, down the line there will be people who sue SE because they are retards who have 360s but can't read the fine print and at some point cancel their gold membership and realize they can't play FFXIV anymore. SImple solution don't put it out for 360 until Microsoft allows MMOs to connect to the developer's/publisher's Servers with silver like MS did with FFXI.

IF you are connecting to game servers owned by the developer/publisher then you should not have to pay for gold membership period. Most if not all of the big name multiplatform titles FPS and such have their own servers for the PC and PS3 players.


i know... thats why i am NOT for having ffxiv on the 360 (even though I own one, but i'm still going to play XIV on PC)... because making people pay for both gold and for monthly fee on game is rediculous. i was merely defending the point of paying for gold membership. without anything having to do with ffxiv, it was a completely separate point, because people were complaining about it.

yes i do realize that many of these titles do have servers for this stuff... great but also realize that many things that run on servers on 360's are run as hosted games on ps3 because the company doesn't want to pay for servers. some companies CAN afford to have their own servers i'm not debating that but not all companies can, and that is where my point lies.

also, yes having servers for PC and PS3 some companies do... i get it... but also having 360 servers would add a lot of servers they would have to get to a large degree... say a company had 100 servers... right now 50 are for pc, 50 are for ps3, but they need to do 360 as well. alright well they have options... buy 50 new ones for 360, or reduce pc, ps3, down to 33 and give 360 33 as well. you are looking at lots of money here, or dividing and stretching servers further, which could result in performance/connectivity issues.

and at the big name companies having their own servers... well yeah but maybe a lot of people like the smaller companies too. They can make some pretty **** good games and i don't want them to get drowned out just because they can't afford to buy and run servers. i would think and hope most other players have the same thoughts.

@ the silver point... I do like that idea... it does make sense. I understand... problem is just that most people, at least people that i know, including me are not going to not have a gold membership, so they can still play their other games... and when you are paying for gold already it is harder to accept an additional fee for 1 game, part of you is still saying in ur head "i'm already paying for online gaming... i shouldn't have to pay again, its all on the 360"

again i understand you could just have silver and pay monthly for ff. but again... would you really want to go w/out gold membership regardless of the fact you wouldnt have to?

____________________________
Asurean Taru

75 WHM
75 BRD
51 SMN
43 DRK
38 SAM
37 BLM
29 WAR
1 2 Next »
This forum is read only
This Forum is Read Only!
Recent Visitors: 13 All times are in CST
Anonymous Guests (13)