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#1 Aug 20 2009 at 7:59 PM Rating: Decent
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I haven't been keeping up much on PC tech the past couple years so I have a question for a techie. I'm aware that there are quad core terabyte monster computers out there for $1500+++. Well guess what, I don't have one or the money to buy it. I do however have $300 for a PS3. Here's the thing: I currently use a Dual Core E5200 @2.5 , 4G Ram, and an 8800GT. How much would my performance improve over that if I ran on a PS3? Would it be marginal or substantial?

I know you can build your PC over time, etc. etc. Just wondering how my machine stacks up to a PS3 currently.

Thanks so much guys!
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Can't really answer that question till the game comes out. We really don't have anything to base how the game run will since no game that has used the crystal tools engine has been released.

Your PC isn't top of the line but it still should run most current games at medium-high settings, probably couldn't get away with very high settings. Like you shouldn't have any problem playing games like Crysis. So I would figure it would run FFXIV well enough. SE isn't going to make the minimum requirements something crazy like a core i7 3+ ghz and a gf 295 gtx, since that would be very restrictive and hardly anyone with a PC could buy it.

On the PS3 the cell processor is pretty advanced while the GPU is based off a gf 7900. But PS3 doesn't have to Windows loaded which frees up resources for other stuff.
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#3 Aug 20 2009 at 8:26 PM Rating: Excellent
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Alright, as much as I like to play myself off as knowledgeable, compared to some my information about the PS3 is laughably dated, but I will do my best.

You're computer looks as if it should be able to play FFXIV on minimum settings. I base this entirely on the screen shots and game play we've seen so far. That is to say, based on similar games of similar polygon count and texturing.

The 8800GT was a workhorse when it was released, but it's beginning to show its age. Similarly, your CPU could use an overhaul, fortunately, that's a 775 slot chip, so it's a piece of cake to improve on it. I suggest an E8400 or an Q8400 if you are trying to be frugal. The former has significantly more punch than your current model, while the latter has twice the cores. The latter is what I have, it's a risky purchase, since not many games use 2 cores, none the less four, but since FFXIV will be optimized for the PS3, which has 6 cores, I would bet a quad-core is a reasonable purchase. As for your graphics card, wait for a while, prices are bound to come down on the Gforce 290 cards and those will destroy all current games, (which gives them a good chance of running FFXIV on medium to high). In fact, I would wait on purchasing anything for another 4-6 months, give time for prices to fall, and the community to get a better feel for the minimum requirements for the game.

As to your original question however *cough* sorry got over zealous, I believe you will probably see a noticeable hit in performance if you run FFXIV on your current rig as apposed to a PS3. PS3 will likely be able to run FFXIV on what would be the equivalent of a computers medium to high settings at launch (with lower resolutions, since TV resolutions work differently than monitor resolutions). You're computer might be able to handle low to medium settings, only time will tell.

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Edited, Aug 21st 2009 12:29am by Hulan
#4 Aug 20 2009 at 8:30 PM Rating: Excellent
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To give you some stats on the PS3 to compare to:
The PS3's graphics card is based off of the 7900 series from Nvidia
CPU: Cell Processor
• PowerPC-base Core @3.2GHz
• 1 VMX vector unit per core
• 512KB L2 cache
• 7 x SPE @3.2GHz
• 7 x 128b 128 SIMD GPRs
• 7 x 256KB SRAM for SPE
• 1 of 8 SPEs reserved for redundancy

Just so you know that the PS3 has 512MB of RAM (256 for video and 256 for system). The Cell chip has 256MB of completely sharable RAM, the GPU has 256MB of dedicated RAM. Now the key here is what type of RAM it is.

The RSX can freely use as much of the 512MB total RAM that the PS3 has because the Cell doesn’t need much RAM because its fast enough. And the fact that the PS3 has XDR means that it has faster access to data files.

Basically a PS3 will run this with no problems at all, and it will probably run it close to max capability. Now i cant really confirm due to the fact min/max requirements haven't been announced. Safe bet ps3.. plus if your thinking of getting a ps3 do it anyways. PS3 slim 299$. Then again how comfortable is your computer desk? how big is your monitor? how big is your TV? HDTV? There are many factors that will sway a person one way or another

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I have about the same system and ran Fallout 3 at MAX settings and Crysis ran just fine on Windows 7 beta.

I'm sure the minimum will be a DX10 card like the Geforce 8 series with a dual core, and at least 2GB of ram.

I think the game will run fine on systems like ours.

If for some reason I have to upgrade I don't know what I would do. I can't see me playing any mmorpg on a console or with a controller, plus we only have 1 TV...

Eh, by next year I'll probably upgrade my computer anyway. Quad Core, SSD, more RAM and a Geforce 275!!!! lol.
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I probably should have mentioned that i use a 23'' HDMI 720P TV as a monitor. It's not amazing but I can get nice quality out of it with HDMI cables. You all have been extremely helpful, so thank you very much for your input. I think I'll get the slim PS3 when it comes out. I want a bluray player anyway. I was unaware that the PS3 was so "1337" lol. I'll just set it upright next to my computer and use a wireless keyboard with it when i'm at my desk and maybe play with the controller in bed if I feel like fishing or something simple. I don't think I was the only person wondering about this anyway, so hopefully it will thwart the onslaught of similar threads in the future. Again thanks so much for the info, awesome responses. Rate ups all around! (* '-')b
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#7 Aug 20 2009 at 9:22 PM Rating: Excellent
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The slim would definitely be the more cost effective way to play the game, but as we have yet to see how much the settings scale between low performance PCs and high performance, it's hard to tell for sure.

I'm currently using a quadcore overclocked to 3.2, a radeon 4870 and I've got 8 gigs of ram waiting for the W7 release.

If I can't run XIV I think I'll cry.
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#8 Aug 20 2009 at 9:34 PM Rating: Excellent
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I haven't been keeping up much on PC tech the past couple years so I have a question for a techie. I'm aware that there are quad core terabyte monster computers out there for $1500+++. Well guess what, I don't have one or the money to buy it. I do however have $300 for a PS3. Here's the thing: I currently use a Dual Core E5200 @2.5 , 4G Ram, and an 8800GT. How much would my performance improve over that if I ran on a PS3? Would it be marginal or substantial?

I know you can build your PC over time, etc. etc. Just wondering how my machine stacks up to a PS3 currently.

Thanks so much guys!


I was going to make a topic just like this, but I'm glad someone else did it for me!

You know, your PC sounds an awful lot like mine.
I built mine 4 or 5 years ago, but my old 7800 GTX card burned out and was no longer usable, so I bought a new 8800 GT.

I can play Oblivion on it's max settings on my PC with no problems, with tons of add-ons, and on Vista Ultimate.

With the release of Windows 7, a less resource intensive OS, there will be more memory and processing power to go to running apps.

My PC is definitely showing it's age. The wiring is sometimes faulty and the fans go off but the rest of the PC stays on causing it to overheat. It uses a lot of fans to stay cold, so it's loud. I want to build a water-cooled PC next.

I mean, my hard drives are 250 GB each! Now they have 1 TB ones or more for like 70$!!

I was planning on buying the new EVGA GTX 295 (maybe 2 or even 3 if I'm feeling bold) and an EVGA X58 SLI motherboard. (I have a lot of money saved up for a new one...just waiting for a beta release date before I buy parts...in case some new hardware comes along)

I guess I really just love building and tinkering with PCs and always like my games to look their best.
My monitor is 1920 x 1200 HD 1080p (28"...must larger than my dinky CRT TV), but I can just hook up a PS3 to that if I wanted.

For some reason I feel more comfortable on my PC. I just do and always have.

Two reasons why I want to play on a PS3:
1.) I can use my PC at the same time just by switching the video input so I can read and post on forums while playing. I'm assuming that FFXIV won't be able to be windowed.
2.) I'm going to be buying a PS3 anyway so I can play FFXIII at some point.

Reasons why I want to play on a PC:
1.) I feel more comfortable on a PC.
2.) I am hoping that I can really push the game to it's limits graphics wise.
3.) Easier to record videos and pictures (I don't know what capabilities the PS3 has for this, to be honest).
4.) I need to buy a new PC anyway in the near future. Just how soon...I don't know.
5.) I am far more attached to my PC than I am to a gaming console. I guess it's because I put so much work into building and customizing it that I like to play on it.
6.) Yes, I would feel like I was cheating on my PC if I played the game on my PS3 (I'm being honest).

But a PS3s price is far less than the several thousands I would spend on a new PC.

Edited, Aug 21st 2009 1:35am by Finaa
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#9 Aug 20 2009 at 9:42 PM Rating: Good
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I'm currently using a quadcore overclocked to 3.2, a radeon 4870 and I've got 8 gigs of ram waiting for the W7 release.


Make sure you get a 64bit version of windows 7. Any 32bit operating system can only recognize and use up to 4 gigs of RAM(some people argue it is less). Even if your motherboard supports up to 8 gigs
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There is another interesting solution, if you happen to like your desk, and playing on a computer monitor.

Go out and buy a HDMI -> D-sub converter and play your PS3 on a computer monitor on your desk. Personally, I think having to swap between computer and PS3 might get a little old, but given the interchangeability of the technologies these days, I thought I would throw that possibility out there. Ignoring for the moment the annoyance of going back and forth, it has the advantages of the more powerful PS3, along with the comfort of playing a video game at your desk. The converter costs about 11-15 dollars.

There are also computer monitors that have HDMI in them now, but I'm going on the assumption you don't want to spend any more money than you have to.

Edited, Aug 21st 2009 1:46am by Hulan
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One other thought; PS3 + Game = $365?
Price of FFXIV for PC if I ever get a new one: $39.99 by then?

I'll just give PS3 a go.

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I'm currently using a quadcore overclocked to 3.2, a radeon 4870 and I've got 8 gigs of ram waiting for the W7 release.

If I can't run XIV I think I'll cry.


lol yeah, I don't want this to happen. Again thanks everyone.

p.s. Quadcore dude, I'm sure you'll be fine.

Edited, Aug 21st 2009 12:16am by GuardianFaith
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There is another interesting solution, if you happen to like your desk, and playing on a computer monitor.

Go out and buy a HDMI -> D-sub converter and play your PS3 on a computer monitor on your desk. Personally, I think having to swap between computer and PS3 might get a little old, but given the interchangeability of the technologies these days, I thought I would throw that possibility out there. Ignoring for the moment the annoyance of going back and forth, it has the advantages of the more powerful PS3, along with the comfort of playing a video game at your desk. The converter costs about 11-15 dollars.

There are also computer monitors that have HDMI in them now, but I'm going on the assumption you don't want to spend any more money than you have to.


Absolutely right.
Most decent monitors do have HDMI and good monitors aren't nearly as expensive as they used to be.

I got a 28" 1080p full HD monitor with HDMI input from newegg for 300$.

My old monitor's inverter board went bad. It was a gateway monitor so, of course, they don't sell individual parts unless you are a tech because...of course...they want you to buy a brand new one.

So I did, just not from Gateway!

Anyway...good PC parts...go to newegg.com or tigerdirect.com. Good parts and very cheap. TigerDirect seems to have more sales and special promotions but Newegg's prices are generally slightly less.

I'm considering the HDMI on my PC monitor. It will be very easy to switch from PS3 to PC input...just hit a button. Will definitely be very convenient.

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Edited, Aug 21st 2009 4:51am by Finaa
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Make sure you get a 64bit version of windows 7. Any 32bit operating system can only recognize and use up to 4 gigs of RAM(some people argue it is less). Even if your motherboard supports up to 8 gigs



Honestly, nobody should be getting the 32 bit version Windows 7. I hope Windows 7 is where 64 bit becomes the new standard.
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Several People mentioned monitors here. One purchase you may enjoy greatly is a good HDTV. I bought a Vizio 42" 1080p monitor for 600 bucks at walmart. I have ps3 and pc hooked up to it. I waited years to go HD and this was best purchase I made for gaming experience.

Wait out on graphics cards they are having price wars in this down economy and we the consumer are benefitting from it. Plus there are a few cards that are suppose to be released soon which will only drop the price more. And the icing is they have only really started 45nm card production which equates to cheaper cooler less power hungry cards. It is a good time to keep an eye on GC as things are moving much faster than previously predicted by industry experts.

I would say Monitor first as you would benefit from it immediately, and wait on pc upgrades. Get ps3 if your not planning on any other gaming on pc.
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Heres the end all discussion:

Do you or will you use your computer for significant or reasonable use in gaming other than FFXIV?

Answer yes? Buy the pc, the speed will help other games like Diablo 3, starcraft 2, maybe another half life one day(i can hope okay!).

Answer No? Save your cash and buy a ps3 slim. The game will run absolutely solid, no delays, no hassle, no reinstalling or risk of viruses or anything else. On top of that if you don't have one already you will have a blu-ray dvd player.

In the end it's up to how much you will use your pc. If you plan on gaming a lot, then go the PC route for sure, if not save your money.
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Ha. 1 Terrabyte, quad core monsters? I'm so much of a geek. I view my PC as "decent" and it's got a Quad Core Phenom 4 with 2.5ghz, 4GB of high pro ram, a 1TB Hard Drive, and a Radeon overclocked 4870. It's also got a pretty top of the line mobo as well.

Even with these specs, I worry if I will be able to run FFXIV, but I imagine I should be fine. We have to keep in mind, Square Enix can make it demanding on PC specs, but if they go too overboard they're going to lose a lot of consumers who just don't have the most ultimate PC's or a "VERY GOOD" PC as soon as it comes out. Common sense would tell me that it will be less demanding than a lot of people think.
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You know, after hearing that there are no Auto-Attacks, i have been drawn to getting the ps3 version. It is much easier to spam attacks with a controller vs a keyboard.
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You know, after hearing that there are no Auto-Attacks, i have been drawn to getting the ps3 version. It is much easier to spam attacks with a controller vs a keyboard.


hmmm... interesting thought.

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I wouldn't say it's easier, I mean we're all just hitting buttons anyway right?

Plus I'm sure there won't be much actual spamming, as I'm sure there'll be timers and cooldowns, like in Warhammer and WoW.
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Plus I'm sure there won't be much actual spamming, as I'm sure there'll be timers and cooldowns, like in Warhammer and WoW.


Well if the video is any indication, then maybe the timers are pretty long haha
Hopefully it was just the horrible gamers lol
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Ha. 1 Terrabyte, quad core monsters? I'm so much of a geek. I view my PC as "decent" and it's got a Quad Core Phenom 4 with 2.5ghz, 4GB of high pro ram, a 1TB Hard Drive, and a Radeon overclocked 4870. It's also got a pretty top of the line mobo as well.

Even with these specs, I worry if I will be able to run FFXIV

Whoa whoa whoa. What is with the all expectations that FFXIV is going to have such high system requirements? I've got an older pc that was fairly good at the time of parts purchase. 8880 GTS , 2 gigs DDR2 ram, AMD Athlon64 4000+ processor. If I can't run FFXIV on medium settings, then SE is out of their fudging minds.

I don't remember MMORPGS ever being graphics pushers. MMORPG devs have always been pushing hard to have reasonable system requirements. I've played more recent MMORPGs like Lotro and WAR without issue at all.

Additionally, although several FFXIV players will be from pc FFXI, those pc FFXI users were largely from the console market. SE's target demographic hasn't included top end pc users in teh past and I see no reason for them to start now.

And finally, SE games look good not because the company pushes raw graphical performance, but because SE has always been strong in art and aesthetic design. They are more than capable of putting out a beautiful game with sub par requirements.
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As long as it scales well.

(Very pretty) PC games in general usually have very high requirements for the time, because in less than a year it will have become much cheaper easily available.

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Well alegory, they have stated that the requirements will be "quite high". By the time the game comes out our computers may not be dinosaurs per say, more like neanderthals. ^^;
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I made this decision a couple weeks ago. I currently play FFXI on my ps2 and on a $800 laptop I got from Dell, the ps2 plays smoother. I bought a PS3 because I am sure that the game will run smoothly and I can sit on my couch and play. I don't want to gamble that any PC that I get will be as smooth and also I don't want to sit at a desk all day. Get a PS3 for FFXIV and use your PC for watching ****.
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Whoa whoa whoa. What is with the all expectations that FFXIV is going to have such high system requirements? I've got an older pc that was fairly good at the time of parts purchase. 8880 GTS , 2 gigs DDR2 ram, AMD Athlon64 4000+ processor. If I can't run FFXIV on medium settings, then SE is out of their fudging minds.

I don't remember MMORPGS ever being graphics pushers. MMORPG devs have always been pushing hard to have reasonable system requirements. I've played more recent MMORPGs like Lotro and WAR without issue at all.

Additionally, although several FFXIV players will be from pc FFXI, those pc FFXI users were largely from the console market. SE's target demographic hasn't included top end pc users in teh past and I see no reason for them to start now.

And finally, SE games look good not because the company pushes raw graphical performance, but because SE has always been strong in art and aesthetic design. They are more than capable of putting out a beautiful game with sub par requirements.


Probably because SE has been quoted numerous times saying that the system requirements will be high. Based on what I've seen, that rig setup is not going to run medium smoothly. That might be somewhere close to the minimum requirements. I would say SE games look good because they push graphics and they are strong in art/aesthetic design, but that's just my opinion. I'm expecting to have trouble running this game smoothly on high and I've got an E8400 (4GHz OC), 4GB of ram and 2 4890s in crossfire.
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I think the PS3's cheaper and a lot harder to break.
This is from past experiences; I've probabley accadentally broken 3 computers in my 12 years of life :/
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#28 Aug 22 2009 at 2:34 PM Rating: Default
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I made this decision a couple weeks ago. I currently play FFXI on my ps2 and on a $800 laptop I got from Dell, the ps2 plays smoother. I bought a PS3 because I am sure that the game will run smoothly and I can sit on my couch and play. I don't want to gamble that any PC that I get will be as smooth and also I don't want to sit at a desk all day. Get a PS3 for FFXIV and use your PC for watching ****.


No offense but if your ps2 does anything better than a laptop, your laptop was a waste of money.
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Finaa wrote:

Two reasons why I want to play on a PS3:
1.) I can use my PC at the same time just by switching the video input so I can read and post on forums while playing. I'm assuming that FFXIV won't be able to be windowed.

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But a PS3s price is far less than the several thousands I would spend on a new PC.

Edited, Aug 21st 2009 1:35am by Finaa


But FFXI (nowadays...) and every other MMO I've played is windowable, so I can't imagine why they'd take a step back and make it forced-fullscreen.

Several thousands on a new PC these days is overkill considering exponential increase in performance and all. :S
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No offense but if your ps2 does anything better than a laptop, your laptop was a waste of money.


Heh, my 4 year old laptop from HP that was £800 at the time can barely run anything without overheating and underclocking itself, including FFXI. I'm not sure if this is indicative of all laptops, but it's definitely turned me off buying another one if my one from 2005 couldn't play a game from 2003...

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One of the numerous times SE has said that the requirements would be high, they compared it to FFXI. Saying that the requirements for FFXI were high for the time. Around E3 I think this was. High is a relative term, while high to some of us might mean we'll need an HD5000 or GT300 card, to them it might mean you'll need a X1600 or GF7600. Point is, it's impossible to know what they mean by "high" until they tell us the system requirements or give us more information/examples.
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One of the numerous times SE has said that the requirements would be high, they compared it to FFXI. Saying that the requirements for FFXI were high for the time. Around E3 I think this was. High is a relative term, while high to some of us might mean we'll need an HD5000 or GT300 card, to them it might mean you'll need a X1600 or GF7600. Point is, it's impossible to know what they mean by "high" until they tell us the system requirements or give us more information/examples.


A lot of fact in this post.

SE will not make a game forcing people to spend thousands of dollars on hardware. No one makes a game like that if they want to stay in business.

I believe and agree with the above poster when SE use the term 'high' they mean it in comparison to FFXI. FFXIV wont run on a PC that FFXI was able to run on. Most computers today are vastly more powerful than the requirements of FFXI.

I recently spent ~$700 on a new computer I built myself. I expect to play FFXI on the highest of settings while having no hiccups or slowdowns or compromises to quality.
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@OP, best just to wait until system reqs and beta impressions about performance are posted.
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Honestly, nobody should be getting the 32 bit version Windows 7. I hope Windows 7 is where 64 bit becomes the new standard.


With Windows 7 no one buys the 32 or 64 bit versions, they buy the CD Key, on the disc should be both the x32 and x64 version, the CD Key works for both (same with Vista, server 2008 - Vista only came with either 32 or 64 bit though) so anyone who buys Windows 7 can choose the 64bit version from the installation.
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If another Windower program hits the scene, I'm worried PC users will once again have big advantages over console users.
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If another Windower program hits the scene, I'm worried PC users will once again have big advantages over console users.


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