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#1 Aug 21 2009 at 7:17 AM Rating: Good
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"I know many Final Fantasy XI users are quite worried about what kind of experience they can have in our upcoming MMO. Making Final Fantasy XIV enjoyable for all users, including Final Fantasy XI players, is our number one priority. We cannot build a community without considering that. First we address how to satisfy Final Fantasy fans. From there, we will attract other MMO players and develop a community like never before. I believe Final Fantasy Xi players will find their time in Eorzea to be an enjoyable and fulfilling experience, and I hope you look forward to it." (Source)


This screamed out to me...just saying. If there were a game development company with the financial backing, experience, reputation, and frankly...balls to give Blizzard a run for their money, Square-Enix would be it. The beginning of a attempted hostile take over? Smiley: sly

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#2 Aug 21 2009 at 7:22 AM Rating: Default
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How can it be dead horse already?! The interview was just released yesterday!! Smiley: dubious
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Even taking a small chunk out of WoW playerbase for FFXIV I think would create a large impact on FFXIV's overall population. The population of players that Blizzard serves is admittedly monstrous; SE would have to pull out their biggest guns if they wanna put a dent into the largest MMO on the market.

SE has the power to hurt Blizzard but I hope they wouldn't go so far as to alienate FFXI players coming to FFXIV merely to attract more Blizzard subscribers.

I don't think FFXIV is going to be a WoW killer but lets all just hope for the best.

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I don't think SE has it in them to make a game so simple as to take a majority of WoW's playerbase. I'm ok with that!

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I don't mean a WoW killer, but like you said...definately cutting into that crowd. I think the most important thing is that their aiming to please Final Fantasy fans first and foremost...which is smart. FFXI still has a respectable following after years and years of service. There's a lot of loyalty to the Final Fantasy name, and it'd be silly for them to discard that loyalty just to make a game to compete with the likes of the larger MMO's out there.
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#7 Aug 21 2009 at 7:55 AM Rating: Good
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The funny thing is, Blizzard have claimed they're not interested in luring in their old player base to their next MMO, whereas Square Enix have said the exact opisite, this itself is probably the key to succes.

Eventually WoWs players will get bored and move on. When they find out what Blizzard has lined up isn't good enough, they'll likely start showing up in FFXIV
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I already think there are a lot of WoW players who are bored and just waiting for the next big thing really. That being said, I don't know if FFXIV will appeal to the great majority of them. WoW is a very broad game which essentially targets every demographic possible. FFXI and Final Fantasy games in general have always been a bit more narrow in their appeal, which is a great thing if you ask me. I will personally be thrilled if the whiny annoying 14 year olds from WoW move on to Champions online or Star Wars or something instead of FFXIV.
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I already think there are a lot of WoW players who are bored and just waiting for the next big thing really.


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#10 Aug 21 2009 at 8:17 AM Rating: Excellent
There are a lot of people who still play WoW for the same reason a lot of people still play FFXI; they'd love something different but they haven't found something else that peeks their interest. Whenever a new MMO has loomed on the horizon, the WoW community is full of people that aren't shy about saying that they're only playing WoW until <insert new game here> comes out. The main issue has been that <insert game here> has usually been a disappointment so they come back. If SE can deliver on what they've promised, sort out their customer service issues with FFXI to a larger extent, and release a game that truly lives up to the label of "next generation MMO", they'll have no difficulty snapping up players in significant numbers from other MMOs...including WoW.

What I wouldn't expect is that FFXIV will be drawing away large numbers of people from any MMO who currently enjoy it. It's the nature of MMOs that people will cling to them long after they have lost their initial appeal simply because of the time invested in their characters. The people who will leave to try something new are the ones who are indifferent to their "accomplishments" in the game, or the ones who find that their past accomplishments aren't enough to offset their current boredom.

I find it...interesting...that SE chose this past week to release more information about FFXIV to the public considering that Blizzcon is this weekend. SE has been behind the eight-ball on a great many things but I'd never go so far as to call them stupid. I, like many, am hoping that the pace of information coming from SE gradually increases between now and beta. There are a lot of companies talking about a lot of future projects and information is key to keeping potential subscribers interested.
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The one great thing about XI was the challenge and lack of care-bear support in the game. It also pulls in a much more mature and supportive player base.
Them making the game to cater to XI players was very reassuring.
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This is an interesting chart for MMORPGs and their active subscriptions: http://www.mmogchart.com/Chart1.html

Now, I'm not gonna say it's 100% correct or anything, but it *does* show that WoW is a rather... once in a lifetime thing. Blizzard managed to hit exactly the right notes of players and achieved a disgusting success. I was called pessimistic in some other thread for saying it, but I very much doubt FFXIV will come even close to that level of success. WoW was just one of those "magic" things that came at exactly the right time, and hit the right buttons (regardless of its quality, I've never played it myself). The competition is also fiercer now than when FFXI came out, with plenty of MMORPGs around, and I would guess plenty more to come.

Since it's a game in an ongoing series, Final Fantasy XIV should obviously try to appeal to people who like the FF games, and I suppose FFXI especially.

I'm sure some people will migrate from other MMORPGs, including WoW, but FFXIV will need to set itself apart from the other online games on the market. Just going after Blizzard sitting on the throne would be a disappointing move (and probably foolish as well).

Games that carve out their own niche (even in such a large market) can focus on other stuff that a very mainstream game would not after all.
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#13Poubelle, Star Breaker, Posted: Aug 21 2009 at 8:39 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I consider it a dead horse because we talk about this every time a new MMORPG comes, whether it's going to cut into WoW's subscriptions or if it's a potential WoW competitor.
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I consider it a dead horse because we talk about this every time a new MMORPG comes, whether it's going to cut into WoW's subscriptions or if it's a potential WoW competitor.

Honestly, who cares?

Fans of the Final Fantasy franchise alone will be enough to make this game popular, and I'm sure many more RPG and MMO gamers will be attracted to it, too.

It's still a Final Fantasy game, though, and World of Warcraft caters specifically to a different audience.

People enjoy World of Warcraft; the setting, characters, lore, etc.

There's no point in discussing this because World of Warcraft and Blizzard aren't enemies just because they're popular.

I don't like the game, but others are satisfied with it. Many World of Warcraft players will inevitably have no interest in Final Fantasy XI, but will move on to whatever Blizzard's next game is. Just deal with already.

I think we've seen enough MMORPGs come out recently so that Square Enix knows this, too.


1) FFXI came out before WoW. Therefore, Square-Enix has never created an game that would directly compete. FFXI's competition about 10% of the current MMO market in size & scope (if even that). This brings an interesting difference between then and now. The face of MMO's has changed a lot since then.

2) I never said they were enemies, and in fact the OP was intended to have humorous and imaginative undertones.

3) MMO's are MMO's because they cater to a different audience than standard RPG players. It's a genre, that caters to a specific audience.

4) I care.

Seriously, get off your soap box...forums are for discussion. What the **** else do you talk about in the FFXIV forum other than speculation, rumor, and interpretation right now? It's not like I can talk about last nights Guild Leve that I did, or about that Puk I messed up outside the farm.
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FFXIV can't get a large portion of the WoW playerbase w/o arena/duel/open PvP, and FFXIV not going to have anything but "sports style" PvP (thank god). Bliz and SE produce very different games and while I'm sure FFXIV is going to get a decent chunk of population from WoW (as they have from us previously), I don't see FFXIV becoming #1 anytime soon.
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I think catering to the FFXI audience is great. Not only cause I'm part of that audience but because I really didn't care much about WoW.

I played WoW for a while before the outlands expansion. Did those crazy 40 man raids and came back to WoW for the lich king expansion. Did some quests but never got to 80 cause I didn't care about my character.

Now if SE started catering to the FFXI and the Monster Hunter audience I would just die of joy.
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#18 Aug 21 2009 at 9:07 AM Rating: Decent
The point I'm trying to make is that Blizzard will ultimately decide when World of Warcraft dies.

There's no point in hoping for another game to kill it when so many are hopelessly addicted.

If you're worried about Final Fantasy XIV subscribers, don't.
You will almost definitely have more than enough people to play with for years after the game's release, regardless of World of Warcraft's status.

And if you're worried about how much Square Enix is profiting, and you hope that World of Warcraft loses subscribers because you're faithful and want them to make more money, don't.
They are rolling in cash and nobody should ever feel bad for them.
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I'm worried about none of these things...and don't quite know where in my post(s) or responses you managed to pick that up. My observation was very simple, and in no way vague (I even bolded the part I was talking about). Perhaps a little too bold of a statement at the end there, but alas...the "sly" smiley should've given away the sarcasm and humor in what I was "suggesting".

Don't worry about me worrying, though. Smiley: sly
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#20 Aug 21 2009 at 9:42 AM Rating: Decent
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SE has no hope of taking any sizable portion of the WoW player base for any measurable length of time. WoW players have been babied by decent customer service. They'll all jump ship once they cross paths with any kind of SE rep.
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I have to agree with Poubelle. Fans of MMOs other than WoW seem to have an odd fascination with the game. They herald their own game as being much superior but at the same time they're obsessed with WoW and Blizzard to the extent that any possibility of "defeating" (which at times means literally killing it or just taken a chunk out of it's subscriptions) it becomes massively popular. It's honestly unhealthy the extent that WoW is hated by some people. Give it a rest. If you like your game just ignore WoW...it's of no importance to you anyway so why bother with it? Your only concern should be whether or not your game gets enough people to make it fun...which I'm sure FFXIV will have no problem obtaining.
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SE has no hope of taking any sizable portion of the WoW player base for any measurable length of time. WoW players have been babied by decent customer service. They'll all jump ship once they cross paths with any kind of SE rep.

I wouldn't say Blizzard's CSR's are much better than SE's. WOW's biggest success is that Blizzard constantly nerfs content so bads can do it and makes bleeding edge gear laughably easy to acquire. Also the game itself is extremely low-end and runnable on a cardboard box with a motherboard shoved in it.

EDIT: Just to add, I think no non-Blizzard MMO will ever reach the success of WOW. It's just not gonna happen in our lifetime at least.

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The repuatation of a company is indeed important for success, think about this; how many of you here knew that Blizzard's full title is "Activision Blizzard"?

Now what innermost deepest thoughts do you think when you hear "Activision"? For me, it just so happens to be shoddy perphirals and expensive (ripoff) £55 RRPs on games *cough*warfare2*cough*.

Now I wouldn't wanna be buying an MMO from that company when theres others to buy, would I!
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I have to agree with Poubelle. Fans of MMOs other than WoW seem to have an odd fascination with the game. They herald their own game as being much superior but at the same time they're obsessed with WoW and Blizzard to the extent that any possibility of "defeating" (which at times means literally killing it or just taken a chunk out of it's subscriptions) it becomes massively popular. It's honestly unhealthy the extent that WoW is hated by some people. Give it a rest. If you like your game just ignore WoW...it's of no importance to you anyway so why bother with it? Your only concern should be whether or not your game gets enough people to make it fun...which I'm sure FFXIV will have no problem obtaining.


It's because if you DO ignore WoW, you'll have people from WoW coming to other MMO forums saying how (game) will never compare to WoW..or "THIS FEATURE IS FROM WOW LOLOLOLOLOL" like WoW invented the MMO genre or something.

So it's not that people who could care less for WoW aren't ignoring it, people make it very hard to with things like that.
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WoW was fun for awhile but, as I was discussing with some former XI (and also recently former WoW players) friends of mine, I was nearly in tears when I retired my XI character. In WoW I was just like, "Meh, Aion's right around the corner. That'll hold me off til XIV."
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Also the game itself is extremely low-end and runnable on a cardboard box with a motherboard shoved in it.


I wish more developers took this route personally. Sure, put all your eyecandy in game, go ahead. But make it decently scaleable (via customizing graphical options) and optimized to make it playable on a greater variety of machines. WoW does seem to show that it is a viable strategy (though of course its success isn't attributed to just that) to target the lower-end spectrum of computer as well, and that the PC is a viable platform to develop games on. ****, you could maybe pull in players from areas that are largely ignored in gaming as well, such as Eastern Europe where older computers are quite common.

I must say I am *really* tired of the graphics race that's going on in the gaming industry. The most important part of the visual side is the art design, I feel the bloom's, hdr's, and what have you of this world are pretty unimportant in the grand scheme of things.

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Actually i don't think Customer service will make me jump ship or not.

However SE has horrific customer service. You wait forever to talk to someone and when you do they do the least they possible can to help you. they sound like they don't even want to really be there... like they don't care.

WoW i have had some bad experiences but nothing even compares.

I think WoW will take a hit, nothing noticable because they cater to quite the .... audience. However i think every mmo will. With the way things are shaping up a lot of complains i hear are "it's so big and open and boring" which is kinda like the way FFXI was(realistic... duh).

Many people won't give it a chance, many will. The trick is if SE can keep them around.

I think release will be packed like it was on FFXI fighting to find things to fight in the newb areas.
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I couldn't care less about WoW killing games. I think Blizz is doing an important job in attracting all the chaff gamers. Let them wallow in self-imposed WoW ****.
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Mistress Theonehio wrote:
It's because if you DO ignore WoW, you'll have people from WoW coming to other MMO forums saying how (game) will never compare to WoW..or "THIS FEATURE IS FROM WOW LOLOLOLOLOL" like WoW invented the MMO genre or something.

So it's not that people who could care less for WoW aren't ignoring it, people make it very hard to with things like that.


That's a false statement...that doesn't happen here nor anywhere I have seen. The only thing you have are people constantly berating WoW and saying everything in it has been done wrong and people who are brave enough to state that WoW actually did some things right. It's almost always the wow hater who brings up the WoW argument. Sometimes you see threads that say something like "WoW did this pretty well, I think FFXIV should use it" but do you honestly think that classifies as anything other than constructive conversation on how to make the best game possible?
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This screamed out to me...just saying. If there were a game development company with the financial backing, experience, reputation, and frankly...balls to give Blizzard a run for their money, Square-Enix would be it. The beginning of a attempted hostile take over?


I REALLY REALLY hope not. I don't want an MMO that is as popular as WoW.
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Sometimes you see threads that say something like "WoW did this pretty well, I think FFXIV should use it" but do you honestly think that classifies as anything other than constructive conversation on how to make the best game possible?


No, because that's like saying WoW is the best game ever..which is far from true, this is what I mean by "things like that makes it hard for the people who could care less about WoW to ignore it."

Also, if you play many MMOs, you don't hear people berating WoW..you usually hear people saying how "they did this" and "they made that" and etc, because why would people randomly berate WoW in their normal gameplay of their respective MMO? Especially if they don't play it?

That's why I said people make it hard for those who don't care for it to ignore it, because most of the time people mind their own business and are excited for (x) feature, someone almost always says:

"Well WoW did this!"

>.> It does grind on your nerves after awhile.

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FF fans are SE main bankroll. Addressing those fans first is a very intellegent thing to do.

Most likely more then half of those fans have been playing various FF games since the early 90's. Those fans will indeed follow suit. We were RPGers well before we were MMORPGers.

Its very possible that more than 60% of those people who play other MMORPGs have played FF11 at one point and perhaps still play. There are at least 20+ people I've ran into on WOW that have exhausted themselves on FFXI with multiple 75s and ran out of things to do. Myself included.

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Ok, so I don't generally like back and forth arguments on WoW since they rarely get anywhere but I'll bite on this one:

Mistress Theonehio wrote:
No, because that's like saying WoW is the best game ever..which is far from true, this is what I mean by "things like that makes it hard for the people who could care less about WoW to ignore it."


How in the world is saying, "WoW did <insert game aspect> well, other games should do it too" indicate that wow is the best game ever? It simply means they have done well in an aspect and it should be used elsewhere. I don't even know of any WoW fan that actually thinks wow is the best game ever...they might think it's the best game for them but other than that, nothing.

Mistress Theonehio wrote:
Also, if you play many MMOs, you don't hear people berating WoW..you usually hear people saying how "they did this" and "they made that" and etc, because why would people randomly berate WoW in their normal gameplay of their respective MMO? Especially if they don't play it?


Actually, I have played a number of MMOs and you DO hear a lot of people berating WoW...but I wasn't talking about in game so much as in the game forum (such as this one). You would think they would be content leaving WoW to wow players but they aren't. Don't ask me why...I don't know (well, I think I do but I don't want to bore or offend anyone).

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That's why I said people make it hard for those who don't care for it to ignore it, because most of the time people mind their own business and are excited for (x) feature, someone almost always says:

"Well WoW did this!"

>.> It does grind on your nerves after awhile.


From my experience it is totally the opposite. You can see countless times on this forum a thread that says something like "UI" or "Progression" in the title and then either the OP or someone in the first few post will say "I don't care what it is as long as it isn't WoW" or something to that effect. Search this forum if you want and 9 times out of 10 you'll see the WoW argument has been started by someone who doesn't like WoW (like in this thread) which is later defended by someone who, often times doesn't even play WoW anymore (like myself) but isn't completely corrupted by the hate WoW mentality. And THAT grinds on the nerves. If you really don't care about wow just leave it alone (I'm not speaking to you Mistress Theonehio, specifically, but to that type of person I'm talking about in general...if you happen to be one of them, so be it).
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Never be possible. FFXIV is visually too demanding. WoW can run on almost anything, so its really easy for the average person to get into it. No casual person is going to buy a PS3 or a new Computer to play this game. At best, FF14 can be a financial success and have a larger player base then FF11 did.
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Having played WoW for a number of years, (still playing, even), I'd be happy if there wasn't a mass migration of players from WoW to XIV, as I hate most of them.

Comparatively I only hated a handful of individuals in XI.
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Mistress Theonehio wrote:

It's because if you DO ignore WoW, you'll have people from WoW coming to other MMO forums saying how (game) will never compare to WoW..or "THIS FEATURE IS FROM WOW LOLOLOLOLOL" like WoW invented the MMO genre or something.

So it's not that people who could care less for WoW aren't ignoring it, people make it very hard to with things like that.


WoW players tend to not care that people play other games, and certainly don't go looking for FF forums to troll, as you seem to imply. Seriously, this forum is several months old now. How many posts have you seen that have even implied "XIVlol, WoW is better"?

On the contrary, posts like these are much more common, and I just pulled them from the 34 posts in this thread:

digitalcraft, Goblin in Disguise wrote:
I don't think SE has it in them to make a game so simple as to take a majority of WoW's playerbase. I'm ok with that!

It would be like asking Van Gogh to paint like Thomas Kinkade.


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WOW's biggest success is that Blizzard constantly nerfs content so bads can do it and makes bleeding edge gear laughably easy to acquire. Also the game itself is extremely low-end and runnable on a cardboard box with a motherboard shoved in it.


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I couldn't care less about WoW killing games. I think Blizz is doing an important job in attracting all the chaff gamers. Let them wallow in self-imposed WoW ****.


Nobody said anything pro-WoW or anti-FF in this thread, and yet FF players still picked up their rabble sticks and started waving them around. Tell me again which playerbase is obsessed with other games?
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I think an important thing to note in this kind of discussion is that the only overlaps between Blizzard and Square Enix audiences are in North America, Europe, and Australia.

Final Fantasy XI is huge in Japan. It's pretty much the only MMO that has sold over there, and it gets tons of references and media attention there much like WoW does in the US.

World of Warcraft is huge in China and ridiculously huge in Korea. It's pretty popular everywhere it's released, but a lot of its numbers come from Asian countries - except Japan.

So when you look at subscriber numbers and such, keep in mind that a lot of that for either game comes from places where the other simply doesn't exist. FFXIV will never displace WoW in total sales even if it displaces it in NA sales because it won't be sold in Korea or China (except still in Japanese). It also does not have to overthrow WoW even in North America to be a really strong game with a lot of subscribers and attention.

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Nobody said anything pro-WoW or anti-FF in this thread, and yet FF players still picked up their rabble sticks and started waving them around. Tell me again which playerbase is obsessed with other games?


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This screamed out to me...just saying.

Or more likely it is a vague emotive statement with no way to be concretely measured. It is an entirely meaningless sentence designed to evoke positive connotation.
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If there were a game development company with the financial backing, experience, reputation, and frankly...balls to give Blizzard a run for their money, Square-Enix would be it.

It could be anyone. SE isn't any more likely than any other company.
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The beginning of a attempted hostile take over? Smiley: sly

I've look at many MMORPG coomunities for upcoming games, and not once has failed to have a fan that proclaimed their game the wow-killer. It's a long since passé phrase.

Edited, Aug 21st 2009 9:20pm by Allegory
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WoW was fun for awhile but, as I was discussing with some former XI (and also recently former WoW players) friends of mine, I was nearly in tears when I retired my XI character. In WoW I was just like, "Meh, Aion's right around the corner. That'll hold me off til XIV."


This. and I'm pretty sure that anyone else on this board who has retired their FFXI account did the same exact thing.

I was the same way, while I didn't care much about canceling my WoW account, I actually felt BAD that I was going to retire my character in FFXI, this is the one 'feature' I hope SE can bring over from FFXI.
#42 Aug 21 2009 at 7:16 PM Rating: Excellent
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I don't think he's saying they're going to rule the world through FFXIV. He's just stating that they want to make a solid, enjoyable game that appeals to Final Fantasy fans. Once players start coming in and having fun, people who play other MMOs will take notice and want to see what the fuss is about. It's just standard, "Our game is going to be fantastic, and we think everyone will really like it," kind of talk.

The real focus of the statement to to let FFXI fans know that they aren't going to "WOWify" their game to get players. FFXIV will stand on its own merits as a numbered entry in the Final Fantasy series.
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#43 Aug 21 2009 at 9:42 PM Rating: Default
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FFXIV will be on consoles, a market that Blizzard has stated that they have no intention of entering. SE will have this market completely to themselves.

More importantly, FFXIV won't require an expensive add-on to play other than a cheap USB keyboard. How much more successful would FFXI have been if had ran on a stock PS2?
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I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
#44 Aug 21 2009 at 9:51 PM Rating: Good
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WoW players tend to not care that people play other games, and certainly don't go looking for FF forums to troll, as you seem to imply. Seriously, this forum is several months old now. How many posts have you seen that have even implied "XIVlol, WoW is better"?

On the contrary, posts like these are much more common, and I just pulled them from the 34 posts in this thread:



This is so true. You can find the same in Aion forums. It gets old so fast. I am interested in both FFXIV and Aion and I still play WoW (oh the horror!!!) . I really think its just the in thing to be too cool for WoW and want it dead.

As long as the FFXIV servers stay running and the game is profitable for SE why do people care so much if WoW is out of the picture?

Monopolies are BAD!! You want competition. Thats why I am glad for both Aion and FFXIV coming out. It will keep all 3 companies on their toes and make better products for the consumers. IF FFXIV( or Aion/WoW) is the only title on the market you better believe they will raise subscription fees and game updates would come to a crawl. Why? Because there would be no need to do much to keep the players. Any company in that position will do as little as possible to keep players playing.
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#45 Aug 22 2009 at 12:36 AM Rating: Good
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The worst thing that any company can do is to build their game to be a "WoW killer." Make an awesome game, figure out what it is that you can do better than any one else and do that. Expand on it. Make your current players happy so they'll recruit their friends.

It's hard to do, but the basic idea is simple. Amazing how many companies forget that their mission is not to make the game with the largest number of subscribers. Make the game that is the best, and the subscribers will follow.

I think S-E gets that. FFXIV doesn't look like a WoW clone to me. They're not going to kill WoW. They don't need to kill WoW. They just need to attract players who are going to love the game so much that they keep playing, and bring their friends.

Edited, Aug 22nd 2009 4:37am by KarlHungis
#46 Aug 22 2009 at 1:21 AM Rating: Good
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I doubt that FFXIV will take away much, if any, of WoW's current user base, especially with a new expansion coming out. I wouldn't be surprised if it got a ton of already retired WoW players though. It might also attract some folks who have never played an MMO before.
#47 Aug 22 2009 at 5:52 AM Rating: Good
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Actually I do not believe maturity has anything to do with the difference in community. I'll explain, most of us started ffxi (that played during NA release, ps2 release, or any other release) which was several years ago this also infers we were much younger.

A lot changes in those pivotal years when we were evolving from kids to teens, teens to young adults, and young adults to adults. Our mindsets changed, and our taste of playing changed. Many have quit, and came back, many have quit and never came back, and there are a few who remain playing and have never quit or taken a break.

Why are the WoW crowds, and the FFXI crowds so variably different? Perceivably we would argue maturity levels, but that is not it. Both games carry a slighted population of the undesirable. People who are rude and mean, but what truly differs in both games is the community. I remember when the game was back in its prime, (yes even so after the xbox release) you had to be polite to everyone, you never knew whose friend you would upset or disrespect.

I keenly remember people who were pretty rude having issues getting parties, assistance, ect at that point they would not last long in the game or they would pretty much level beastmaster and go into a realm of solo isolation until they grew up a bit enough to function properly in the mainstream society of the game. Yeah a few have slipped through the cracks, and now the game has plenty of options and less binding together more undesirable people come into existence because they can get by with the help of their personal friends.

In all of that I think it was more so of the consequences of the community, on what would be tolerated or untolerated that made jerks think twice before dropping party and warping. Think back, remember those stories, remember when you yourself stated in linkshell you will never party with the likes of Darkhatevilesilverblade who was a level 58MNK/13WAR? Darkhatevilesilverblade still lives in the memories of us all.


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Edited, Aug 22nd 2009 9:56am by haife
#48 Aug 22 2009 at 5:59 AM Rating: Decent
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What I like most is...FFXIV isnt trying to take from the "wow playerbase" a lot of mmo's make that mistake. First and foremost, they are appealing to their own existing fans, then second they are appealing outside. They are going to hit strongest where they know they can, but of course still try to bring in others.

Targeting your own fanbase is a much safer method to success then trying to take from another's, because you know them best.
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I won't lie, WoW was a really great game. It is still decent. But, I think Blizz's decisions lately, well, suck.

For one thing, their newest patch had almost nothing to do with the story of the whole expansion. It was a gimmick they had put in to keep you from getting closer to the Lich King. I quit before they released it because the story disgusted me.

The rumors I have heard of the next expansion talk about a great event that rips Azeroth (the world) apart, affecting all the old areas instead of adding new ones.

Again, this just doesn't interest me. Give me real story. Have the cataclysmic event be a PART of another expansion, not the topic of a whole one.

It has just been Meh. I do play games for the story (I read most of WoW's books). That is what makes me want to play. XI had a good story, but they didn't let it permeate the game enough.

I think XIV can be extremely successful. And, frankly, I don't care if it is a "WoW killer." WoW has had 4 years to gain the number of players it has--NO mmo is gonna reach that overnight.

But, XIV has one thing going for it that WoW doesn't. You can play it on the PS3 and, maybe, the 360. People with crappy computers that barely run WoW may be tempted by this. Or maybe there is only one family computer and they have to share.

I have high hopes for XIV. And, frankly, I hope it doesn't beat WoW if that means fewer asshats on the server.
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