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#1 Aug 24 2009 at 3:17 PM Rating: Good
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When are video game news media outlets going to get over their love affair of WoW and start covering other MMO news?

I visit Gamespot for news about the video game industry. On the surface it looks like they're on top of what's going on, posting a number of articles daily and covering Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft news well. But lately I'm really starting to question their credibility. They say on their About Us page "We Entertain, Inform, and Connect Gamers". Yet their news reporting is not consistent with this message.

Case in point: The WoW articles on the site are numberous and are as detailed as what you would find on a dedicated WoW site. Examples:

World of Warcraft panel sees Cataclysmic changes
World of Warcraft art panel drops Deathwing details
New WOW expansion name and races revealed?

There's a new WoW article nearly every week on average following almost every detail of the game's ongoing developement. Yet, lo and behold, not a single piece of information was reported regarding any of the recently surfaced info about FFXIV. There hasn't been anything about FFXIV since e3. There hasn't been anything about FFXI since January 2007 (a little paragraph about french and german support)!

They allocate so many of their resources to WoW news that they end up showing a narrow view of the video game industry to the masses and create a near monopoly in the MMO world in the process. How can other MMOs compete when WoW is all people hear about? For a site that claims to inform and connect gamers, they're sure not doing a very good job.

I've only payed close attention to Gamespot but from what I've seen it looks like other news media outlets are the same way. I don't think many people beyond the FFXI community are going to know much about FFXIV at least until release. If the game itself doesn't do anything to grab media attention, the casual appeal might kick the game population up to 750,000 but that's it. WoW will still dominate and little will change.

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#2 Aug 24 2009 at 3:23 PM Rating: Good
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I think there just isn't enough info out yet to create much of a story to read for the mainstream mmo audience. Of course there is tons of coverage on Wow, it pretty much owns the mmo market right now.
I think in the coming months when more info is released we will see a lot more coverage everywhere.
#3 Aug 24 2009 at 3:33 PM Rating: Good
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You do realize that in part this is due to Blizzard having just unleashed a torrent of information about their next expansion?

What do we know about FFXIV? About a thimbleful of info, and massive speculation. I doubt Square has even released a tenth of the info that Blizzard released about their expansion. A lot of which is highly revolutionary... They are basically destroying most of the world, and starting it up from scratch with new graphics, new gameplay mechanics, and new content, and about 3 years worth of content is being deleted from the game world forever.

For a genre where people normally complain about the game world being static, Blizzard is the first major developer to do something about it. They are literally erasing the majority of the game world, and replacing it with "The world 3 years in the future from where it was before we deleted it"

Is it any wonder that WoW is being covered in multiple articles and FFXIV isn't? I can summarize about all we know about FFXIV (that isn't speculation) in about 2-3 paragraphs.

When Square finally spills the beans on FFXIV, you can expect to see coverage on it too.

EDIT: Also Gamespot is a horrid website for gaming news, I don't know why you would ever go there.

EDIT EDIT: Also, who cares if FFXIV isn't the most popular MMO out there? What is with this e-peen stroking over "I want my MMO to have the most subscription numbers out of any MMO." Just shut the **** up and enjoy your ******* game. In general, the best videogames in gaming history, are often games which sold mediocre or even poorly. Who CARES? It's still a good game.

Edited, Aug 24th 2009 7:38pm by Karelyn
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#4 Aug 24 2009 at 3:51 PM Rating: Excellent
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Um...Blizzcon was just this past weekend making it breaking news. Generally speaking the newer news gets the front page. Also, WoW has the largest subscriber base and the largest amount of people interested making it bigger news. You don't see your local watermelon seed spitting contest on the front page of New York Times do you? Same concept.

Edited because you can't spit a whole watermelon.

Edited, Aug 24th 2009 5:26pm by Yogtheterrible
#5 Aug 24 2009 at 4:48 PM Rating: Decent
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Seriously... what exactly is there to report on FFXIV? SE has released next to nothing on it and I have seen info on the game on numerous sites. So get used to a general lack of FFXIV coverage because of SE not because of some huge conspiracy.
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#6 Aug 24 2009 at 4:52 PM Rating: Excellent
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I visit Gamespot for news about the video game industry.

There's your problem right there.

Seriously though, Blizzcon was last week, which included the unveiling of the new expansion pack. Thus all the WoW news. They still should have had at least one article about FFXIV in the midst of all this Famitsu and Gamescom stuff, mind you.

But seriously seriously? Stop reading Gamespot.
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A lot of which is highly revolutionary... They are basically destroying most of the world, and starting it up from scratch with new graphics, new gameplay mechanics, and new content, and about 3 years worth of content is being deleted from the game world forever.


The new mechanics are actually ******* a lot of people off, as it kind of just hammers in the point that WoW is in a state of eternal Beta, and that they don't bother to perfect their design infrastructure extensively enough because they can just change everything about the game in a later patch. That's my take on it, anyway.

I'm just happy I'll finally be able to fly in Azeroth, provided I'm still playing it if the XIV beta is available.


But as to the OP, are you really that surprised?

Blizzcon + An absolute stranglehold on the casual MMO market = being flooded with WoW info.


XIV has only alpha videos and not very much information at the moment, so it's only natural that it isn't being blasted everywhere.

Although, honestly, I would really prefer it to not be as popular as WoW. I don't have as much a problem with casuals as I do with the high ratio of trolls and idiots that tend to accompany them. I'm hoping for a mostly polite, respectful (comparatively), close-knit community atmosphere that was so prevalent in XI.

Edited, Aug 24th 2009 6:18pm by Kirbster
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#8 Aug 24 2009 at 5:18 PM Rating: Good
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Gamespot hasn't even really mentioned it and IGN has been a little bit better but thier initial reaction to the Alpha version wasn't very good. There hasn't been really anything to get people excited about it yet. So far alot of the details released show the game looking alot like FF11 which is definitly not going to turn any game industry heads. I think until some more solid details come around theres not going to be much more than a whisper going on.
#9 Aug 24 2009 at 5:33 PM Rating: Decent
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A lot of which is highly revolutionary... They are basically destroying most of the world, and starting it up from scratch with new graphics, new gameplay mechanics, and new content, and about 3 years worth of content is being deleted from the game world forever.

The new mechanics are actually ******* a lot of people off

Oh I agree. I'm very disappointed in what they announced at Blizzcon. WoW has been one disappointment after another since Vanilla ended.

As it stands right now, I'll be able to switch back to FFXIV without any regrets.

Edited, Aug 24th 2009 9:34pm by Karelyn
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The new mechanics are actually ******* a lot of people off, as it kind of just hammers in the point that WoW is in a state of eternal Beta, and that they don't bother to perfect their design infrastructure extensively enough because they can just change everything about the game in a later patch. That's my take on it, anyway.

Oh no, a game that changes! I encourage them to try new things. I love the info about the new expansion.
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GAmespot and other sites like it aren't news sites about game; they're not even infotainment sites. They are entertainment news sites, basically on the same level as celebrity tabloids. They don't exist to inform, and they don't exist to give accurate reviews; they exist to get eyes and push games. I believe it was gamespot specifically that had a prominent reviewer quit because he was being coerced into rating several games higher due to financial pressure from publishers. You aren't a customer to these sites; you are a revenue stream.

That being said. They have no credibility or compulsion for completeness and accuracy. They aren't covering FFXIV because their isn't enough interest int their demographic for that game to get ad revenue from visitors and SE probably hasn't paid them anything to push the game. WoW is obviously a very popular game and could easily draw more viewers for more site traffic. IT shouldn't be a surprise.
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I think it is probably because bliz releases alot of information about their game, especially compared to SE.

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The new mechanics are actually ******* a lot of people off, as it kind of just hammers in the point that WoW is in a state of eternal Beta, and that they don't bother to perfect their design infrastructure extensively enough because they can just change everything about the game in a later patch. That's my take on it, anyway.


MMO's are dynamic creations. Not to mention, they have advanced technology alot in the span of their game (phasing for example). I give them credit for taking the time to revamp the old world with new technology. Having a changing world to play in is very intriguing indeed.

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Although, honestly, I would really prefer it to not be as popular as WoW. I don't have as much a problem with casuals as I do with the high ratio of trolls and idiots that tend to accompany them. I'm hoping for a mostly polite, respectful (comparatively), close-knit community atmosphere that was so prevalent in XI.


Id say the closeknit community was more due to the fact that the game forced you to be social with people to do anything. Given that ffxiv will be more casual friendly im going to say that the closeknit community (while stronger than wow's by far) will not be anywhere comparable to ffxi's.

Population size really has nothing to do with that (well, unless the servers are near ghost towns) rather the mechanics of the game.
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I'm not talking about the changing areas or new technology. That's new content. You're missing my point.

I'm talking about the basic design framework for statistics, mechanics and abilities that they feel inclined to change dozens of times since the release of the game. That isn't really 'dynamic' as much as it is irritating. (to me, at least) It's eternal beta.



And you're probably right concerning the community, which is a shame.


I still don't want it becoming horribly mainstream, though. I've had too much of that.

Edited, Aug 24th 2009 11:00pm by Kirbster
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Yes, i noticed this too. Compare to Japan mass media, US seems not interested in FFXIV.
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#15 Aug 25 2009 at 1:06 AM Rating: Good
Do not fear.

WoW is the popular game, and they just released a ton of info on a new Expansion. S-E is smart to not release all their info at the same time or it would be drouned in the WoW sea.

S-E has to time their releases right, and know that they are playing against the tide. Fortunately, I believe they are smart enough to realize this and are playing the media game well in order to get any benefit out of it they can muster.

I also believe, on what we've seen so far, that the game will speak for itself when the time comes. :)
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#16 Aug 25 2009 at 2:07 AM Rating: Good
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I Doubt japan cover wow, but they definately ***** out ffxiv in their mags. It's not that we're hated, its just we're not ffxis main crowd.
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EDIT EDIT: Also, who cares if FFXIV isn't the most popular MMO out there? What is with this e-peen stroking over "I want my MMO to have the most subscription numbers out of any MMO." Just shut the **** up and enjoy your ******* game. In general, the best videogames in gaming history, are often games which sold mediocre or even poorly. Who CARES? It's still a good game.


While I really want to say something about, say, Firefly vs. Star Trek as an analogy for FFxi vs. WoW.... Firefly was unfortunately more Tabula Rasa. For its longevity, FFxi would be more like Stargate, especially since it spans multiple titles with a loyal following regardless of critical reception.

But wait, Firesky/Cheyenne the developer of the Stargate MMORPG - Stargate Worlds - allegedly just got funding to continue developing the title.

Okay, so maybe FFxi is more Battlestar Galactica...hrm...or, maybe FFxiv will be BSG with kickass Admiral Adama and hawt Asian cylons to FFxi's 1978 Battlestar Galactica with feathered hair and robotic dogs and PS2 limitations....

In other news, Disney plans to announce its long-awaited foray into MMORPGs at D23: "Toy Story: Some Assembly Required." Players will be able to play as an obscure, 1950s type of toy with hand-stitched seams; a modern, plastic mass-retailed toy that makes annoying sounds and breaks within 9 days of purchase; or, any of a number of other childhood staples with their own unique imprints on the national psyche. (Note: green plastic army men, while having superiority of numbers, often have high casualty rates due to the frequent nature of posing mid-throw with live hand grenades. And Play-Doh, while versatile, is most likely to be eaten by a child.)

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#18 Aug 25 2009 at 2:20 AM Rating: Good
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I'm not sure what to say about that analogy.
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I think SE did release all their information. They don't have a ton of beans ready to be spilled. They just have not done a lot.
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I think SE did release all their information. They don't have a ton of beans ready to be spilled. They just have not done a lot.


How do you come to that conclusion? They've been working on XIV for a few years and the game is due for release in 2010. If the game is anywhere close for beta, then that means a lot of the design and coding is pretty close to done.
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#21 Aug 25 2009 at 3:38 AM Rating: Decent
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Because of all what they said they're not going to do. And the only major trump card for this game they're using is graphics+1. And their way for providing information always seems like there is more behind it, but it has always clearly been: "What you see is what you get". (You're just not getting much)
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Think of FFXI at the start, without any expansions, only a few jobs, level cap 50 and add to that graphics+1. That's what you're going to get.
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How do you come to that conclusion? They've been working on XIV for a few years and the game is due for release in 2010. If the game is anywhere close for beta, then that means a lot of the design and coding is pretty close to done.


This just brought a thought to mind...

If they are only in the early stages of the alpha, just how long of a beta do they expect to have before the game is released? I really, really hope that they take their time and get the bugs out and release the game when it is ready, not on some pre-set deadline.

AoC died because of this, i hope it does not carry over to FFXIV.
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Think of FFXI at the start, without any expansions, only a few jobs, level cap 50 and add to that graphics+1. That's what you're going to get.


Cool story, bro. Do you predict lottery numbers too?


Edit: oh alla!

Edited, Aug 25th 2009 4:57pm by Kirbster
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Cool story, bro. Do you predict lottery numbers too?


Read the interviews. That's the facts they gave.
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Japan mass media like famitsu, 4gamer, and game watch did cover the whole blizzcon 09 though.

http://game.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/20090824_310479.html

http://www.famitsu.com/game/news/1226897_1124.html

http://www.4gamer.net/games/008/G000817/20090822003/

Wow still did not official launch in Japan though.
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When are video game news media outlets going to get over their love affair of WoW and start covering other MMO news?


News caters to the masses. WoW has 20 times the subscriber base as FFXI. All gaming websites derive revenue from the people they attract to the site, therefore there is no pecuniary reason for a gaming website to cover FFXIV if there is ANY news for a larger game; WoW 10 million; Lineage I & II, both over 1,000,000; Runescape 1,000,000+.

According to 2008 statistics: http://www.mmogchart.com/Chart1.html

WoW is growing: its subscriber base continues to increase; currently 10 Million subscribers.

FFXI is stagnant: it has just maintained a subscriber base of 500,000 after peaking in mid-2005.

If you want someone to blame… try SE.
- It doesn't advertise as widely as other companies.
- It doesn't cooperate with most commercial gaming websites.
- It releases 99% of the information in Japanese (which must be translated independently – hence the lack of coverage in NA).
- Its public relations have been awful in recent times: mass bannings without a showing of cause; double billing without timely reimbursement, apology, or any real action at all; implementing security measures that restrict payment options causing constructive bannings/loss of subscribers; a yet unfinished expansion still awaiting completion WoG, a series of lackluster mini-expansions that has so far gotten terrible reviews…

Yes, I want FFXIV news - but I don’t expect commercial companies to pick up SE’s slack in order to please us. It is SE’s responsibility, not the media’s.
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On the topic of GameSpot and their news coverage:

One editor for GameSpot was fired for his 'poor' (a.k.a honest) review of the game, Kane & Lynch: Dead Men. The company that produced the game (allegedly) paid GameSpot a lot of money to use their website for advertising space (a.k.a get a good review). When the editor, Jeff Gerstmann, gave the game a 6.0 in his review the company fired him.

Surprise surprise. It's business.
The same goes for tv news media, which is even worse.

Someone has to dish out a lot of cash to keep these companies online and on the air.

On another topic:

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[quote]Many good points.


Hopefully SE learns this time around and fixes these things. It wasn't their first MMORPG.

I think getting rid of the PlayOnline service is their first major step.

On the note of PlayOnline: SE originally published and released an MMORPG called Fantasy Earth: Ring of Dominion, but because of the PlayOnline subscription service not a lot of players wanted to play it.

Gamepot (not GameSpot) bought the rights to the game and cancelled the PlayOnline subscription system and made the game F2P.

Hopefully SE has more success with a P2P game this time around. FFXIV isn't even their second online game.

Enix helped develop Cross Gate, prior to FFXI, but it only saw a release in Japan.
SE also helped develop Front Mission Online and Concerto Gate, neither of which came to the U.S., despite plans for Concerto Gate to do so.

SE also helped publish numerous other online games, including one called Fantasy Earth that also, surprise, used PlayOnline like many others. It wasn't very successful and some believe the reason was because they used PlayOnline's service. The game was bought out by Gamepot (not GameSpot) and POL service was canceled and the game became much more popular.

So I think SE's move to NOT use POL service this time is a smart one.

I also think the reason that the FF MMORPGs are not as popular is because I think some see FF as a niche market. Maybe a lot of us here wouldn't agree, but if you ask a modern or younger gamer who has never played an FF game, I bet you that 99% of them think that all of the FF games are linked.

For example, I wanted my girlfriend to play FFX, but she was worried that she would have missed out on the first 10 and didn't want to! I had to explain they weren't connected. It wasn't as easy as just saying "they aren't connected." That was the first time that I realized that a lot of people think this way.

That big roman numeral at the end turns people away. Most people I've talked to about FF games don't understand that they don't need to play 1-9 to play 10.

I think that FF games are for FF fans (sort of ridiculous I know). I don't think it's easy to get someone 'into' FF games, let alone expect them to pick up FFXIV right from the start without playing any others (not like they need to, but they might feel like they do.)

I know it wasn't easy for me when I first started. My first game was FFVII, at the pressure of a friend ensuring me that it was "the greatest game ever made". With enough persuasion I played it and I got hooked. If it hadn't been for him I probably NEVER would have tried it. It was also my first RPG.

Sure some people have done so with FFXI, but a lot might not because they see that big XI at the end and go "I've missed out on the first 10 anyway."

That's just the aspect of actually getting people to play. Then they need to keep them. And many of the reasons why they did not attract and retain too many players were as Ulixes said.

Hopefully after enough MMOs, SE will do a good job with one.

I, and probably most of us here, are really looking forward to it. If they ***** up it will likely deter us from trying another SE MMO again.

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#29 Aug 25 2009 at 4:28 PM Rating: Good
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WoW has 11.5M players, FFXI has .5M.

That alone should help to explain why the report about WoW much moreso than any other MMORPG.
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Honestly I don't think it has to do with number of players, popularity, or even what media outlets report the information.

Blizzard had a playable version of their expansion ready to go. They had announcements that were firm and concrete that will change the entire face of WoW.

Star Wars: The Old Republic had demonstrations of specific classes and worlds, and even how they plan to implement full-voice overs and an example of the multiple player decision trees.

FFXIV had an alpha build that just showed a bunch of running around the same area, with players barely able to figure out how to hit a bird with a sword.

There is a HUGE difference in the amount of information released about the upcoming MMOs/changes, and FFXIV came up short.

I just hope they aren't rushing the release of FFXIV to get into the 'next-gen' MMO market.. because of all the ones shown in the last week (Star Wars, Guild Wars 2, WoW cataclysm)... FFXIV seems the least clear on it's direction and has the least polish.

I was watching the gameplay videos of FFXIV from gamescon thinking that it looked like one of the least interesting games I had ever seen after I got over the initial joy of seeing the next FF MMO.

FFXI was and is my favorite MMO, but the rest of the presentations just blew FFXIV away. Again, I hope they don't rush the game, because for an alpha build it looked great, but it doesn't quite look like it will be up to snuff with the other games come 2010.

But we all know how SE likes to ***** with us and doesn't release info. I am surprised they showed any gameplay at all. (Maybe that means it is further along than the competitors).

Tokyo Game Show... lets see what you really got there.
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#31 Aug 25 2009 at 7:10 PM Rating: Decent
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I just hope they aren't rushing the release of FFXIV to get into the 'next-gen' MMO market.. because of all the ones shown in the last week (Star Wars, Guild Wars 2, WoW cataclysm)... FFXIV seems the least clear on it's direction and has the least polish.


I completely agree. I feel as tho SE is using public forums and speculation to help finish their game. To me forums are perfect for market research. Some of the greatest ideas are spawned from speculation, from people who extremely dedicated to video games and SE doesn't even need to pay people to help them create and make choices. We as speculative consumers do it all for them. If i were SE, i would use the forums to take the best idea's and find out what people are really interested in.

in response to this forum tho, yeah not a whole lot has been released about FFXIV, nor is anyone but Blizzard released anything REALLY ground shaking.
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Here's your problem you went to Gamespot. That is one of the last places I go for any kind of news.
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#33 Aug 27 2009 at 11:09 AM Rating: Good
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Go check out gamespot's game list for gamescom, where they have their summary of gamescom, FFXIV isn't even listed.
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Go check out gamespot's game list for gamescom, where they have their summary of gamescom, FFXIV isn't even listed.
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The information/game play we've seen from these other titles blows away what we've seen from FFXIV so far.

If FFXIV was getting equal attention to WoW or even SW:TOR, I'd suspect a hidden agenda to promote FFXIV.
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Just where are you getting your FFXIV info, theres been tons of news from gamescom from it but just not reported anywhere but in fansites which is really a let down.
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