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#1 Aug 27 2009 at 5:58 AM Rating: Excellent
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A solid-state drive (SSD) is a data storage device that uses solid-state memory to store persistent data. An SSD emulates a hard disk drive interface, thus easily replacing it in most applications. An SSD using SRAM or DRAM (instead of flash memory) is often called a RAM-drive, not to be confused with a RAM disk.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid-state_drive

Solid state drive I am considering: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820167005

They have been successfully placed in PS3 at this point and successfully perform all functions the stock HDD. Side by side comparisons of a PS3 with the stock HDD and a PS3 with a replacement SSD have been conducted. Here are some links to the comparison tests.

http://www.gamespot.com/features/6192258/index.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_ieXPLWJmE

What these comparisons discover is that download times when reading from the blu ray disk are not improved by the SSD. However downloads from a digital source like the PSN are significantly faster. Also load times in the middle of games when loading from the SSD are significantly faster. This last piece of info is what I think will be most useful for us future FFXIV players. With a read rate of 250MB/s and average seek time an order of magnitude lower than HDDs the result should be in very crowded areas everything should load faster and frame rates and lag should stay more stable. The conclusion to all these tests however is that the upgrade is not worth it because the gaming experience is not improved in any way. However this is because the game data is stored on a blu ray disk not an HDD. So only when data is stored on the SSD (FFXIV) would we see any read/write improvements.

One of the tests done found that downloading data from the blu ray disk was slower than with a conventional HDD. However this was done on a SSD that had read speeds of 120MB/s and write speeds of 40MB/s. Write speeds these days have increased dramatically. Also all SSDs are not created equal so you can pay more for a better write speed if you like.

A decent SSD by the time FFXIV is out should be very affordable.

Anyhow what does everyone think about this, an SSD replacement for the stock HDD in your PS3 for improved system performance when running FFXIV.


Edited, Aug 27th 2009 10:04am by ffximanaburn
#2 Aug 27 2009 at 6:29 AM Rating: Decent
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Random seeks are faster, but reads overall are slower. Why bother? Saving data would be lightening fast, but most of the time you're reading it. Maybe for silence and heat it's worth it, but I wouldn't be pushed to get one just for "performance," which will hardly be noticed.
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#3 Aug 27 2009 at 6:47 AM Rating: Good
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If they allow you to install it on the HDD like they did with FFXI's PS2 version, where you don't have to use the disc, then I suppose it might allow you to take advantage of the faster loading.
#4 Aug 27 2009 at 6:52 AM Rating: Decent
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Random seeks are faster, but reads overall are slower. Why bother? Saving data would be lightening fast, but most of the time you're reading it. Maybe for silence and heat it's worth it, but I wouldn't be pushed to get one just for "performance," which will hardly be noticed.


What do you mean reads are overall slower. The SSD i was looking at has a read time of 250MB/s vs. 36MB/s of the PS3 stock HDD (7X that of PS3 HDD). Also has a write time of 70MB/s vs. 36MB/s of the PS3 stock HDD (2X that of PS3 HDD). It seems to me there is nothing slower about the SSD I am looking at when compared to the stock PS3 HDD. Most of the time you are reading it which is why i want one, because the read times are close to 7X faster than the PS3 HDD.
#5 Aug 27 2009 at 6:58 AM Rating: Good
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ffximanaburn wrote:
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Random seeks are faster, but reads overall are slower. Why bother? Saving data would be lightening fast, but most of the time you're reading it. Maybe for silence and heat it's worth it, but I wouldn't be pushed to get one just for "performance," which will hardly be noticed.


What do you mean reads are overall slower. The SSD i was looking at has a read time of 250MB/s vs. 36MB/s of the PS3 stock HDD (7X that of PS3 HDD). Also has a write time of 70MB/s vs. 36MB/s of the PS3 stock HDD (2X that of PS3 HDD). It seems to me there is nothing slower about the SSD I am looking at when compared to the stock PS3 HDD. Most of the time you are reading it which is why i want one, because the read times are close to 7X faster than the PS3 HDD.


I would REALLY stay away from SSD for now. >>>

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On the downside are the lower speed of sequential operations in comparison with the HDD and the limited lifecycle of the cells. Flash memory can only sustain about 100 thousand rewrite operations for each cell. That’s quite a lot, especially as modern controllers can distribute data along the drive to load all cells uniformly. However, this factor should be kept in mind until we have trustworthy information about the service life of SSDs.
#6 Aug 27 2009 at 11:00 AM Rating: Decent
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SSD PS3 Article from 2008

Most likely even though PS3 will be able to install to the HD. The disc will have to be in the PS3 to play the game. Just like how Xbox 360 FFXI is.

On any online game it doesn't matter. As the internet connection is the bottleneck and any increase on your side is null and void server side. You'd be better of spending that money on upgrading your internet connection.

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#7 Aug 27 2009 at 11:55 AM Rating: Good
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I would REALLY stay away from SSD for now. >>>


At 25 rewrites on every single cell, every single day, you'd still have 11 years worth of usage time. It's a downside compared to HDDs, but it's no reason to stay away from them.

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On any online game it doesn't matter. As the internet connection is the bottleneck and any increase on your side is null and void server side. You'd be better of spending that money on upgrading your internet connection.


It depends on the online game really. And I wouldn't go as far as saying any increase on your side is null and void. Anything that needs to be loaded from the hard drive will be done faster. With ffxi as an example, all the armor and weapons and mobs and etc would be loaded faster.

Edited, Aug 27th 2009 3:55pm by Deadgye
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#8 Aug 27 2009 at 2:02 PM Rating: Decent
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But the server still can only process up to a certain bandwidth based on your internet connection. In a seamless world. Your internet connection is going to be more important then a SSD.
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#9 Aug 27 2009 at 2:07 PM Rating: Decent
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But the server still can only process up to a certain bandwidth based on your internet connection. In a seamless world. Your internet connection is going to be more important then a SSD.


Aye.. but it still depends on the game and on the action we're talking about. Improving your internet connection isn't going to do anything for ffxi for example, but using a ssd would.
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