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#1 Aug 31 2009 at 2:19 PM Rating: Sub-Default
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http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0ARux7O-L8x6dZGhkbTU1Z3ZfMWp6MmJtcDIy&hl=en

Lets discuss this.

Edited, Aug 31st 2009 9:43pm by Pikko
#2 Aug 31 2009 at 2:38 PM Rating: Excellent
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Obvious flame war kindle is obvious o.o

Edit: Not that I have anything against your drive to change your conditions and makes the virtual world of FFXI a better place, but I think alot of your grievances are fairly universal to the genre, the internet, and sometimes just human nature. It's going to promote discussion, but not really discussion of the productive variety. I think you'd be better served to focus on one issue.


Edited, Aug 31st 2009 6:48pm by Zemzelette
#3 Aug 31 2009 at 2:47 PM Rating: Excellent
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This didn't need to be here either. You've already got a thread going in FFXI main. Leave the FFXI drama there, please and thank you.

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Lets discuss this.

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Wow, that is going to get one big tl;dr from me.
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http://www.online-literature.com/tolstoy/war_and_peace/1/

lets discuss this.
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#7 Aug 31 2009 at 3:21 PM Rating: Decent
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yeah... bad troll no biscuit. ;P

Though I did glance over it and found one of your complaints is a possitive IMO.
"Your gear is not important, your skill as a player is very important…Salvage has proven this." Is as it should be, and I hope that is how things work in XIV.
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I find it entirely contrived and remarkably inauthentic!
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#9 Aug 31 2009 at 3:42 PM Rating: Good
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My God, look at chapter XIV:

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In the drawing room the conversation was still going on.

"Ah, my dear," said the countess, "my life is not all roses either. Don't I know that at the rate we are living our means won't last long? It's all the Club and his easygoing nature. Even in the country do we get any rest? Theatricals, hunting, and heaven knows what besides! But don't let's talk about me; tell me how you managed everything. I often wonder at you, Annette- how at your age you can rush off alone in a carriage to Moscow, to Petersburg, to those ministers and great people, and know how to deal with them all! It's quite astonishing. How did you get things settled? I couldn't possibly do it."


The allusions to FFXIV run amok!
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I think that passage alludes to Tolstoy's desire to live a quiet simple life as a crafter within his starting nation, and his hatred for grinding.
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Good games are subjective like good food is subjective. You're not going to seriously tell me that there's not a psychological basis for why pizza is great and lutefisk is revolting. The thing about subjectivity is that, as subjects go, humans actually have a great deal in common.
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Why on earth did you waste all your time writing all that crap?

Noone cares. Go away.
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#12 Aug 31 2009 at 7:47 PM Rating: Good
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I'm here for rate ups

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#13 Aug 31 2009 at 8:20 PM Rating: Excellent
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tl;dr

The ranting of a bitter person usually are quite amusing, but not when found in such great length.
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OP cured my insomnia! :D
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#15 Aug 31 2009 at 9:06 PM Rating: Decent
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Actually, if people take the time to read the article (not glance/skim/think, "OMG TOO LONG"), some solid points were made. The author/OP does come off as a bit off as a snob but I don't see how the article was bad? Did anyone actually read it? The title may say, "The Big FFXI Mess" but it discusses possibilities for fixing problems that were clearly present in the game.
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Actually, if people take the time to read the article (not glance/skim/think, "OMG TOO LONG"), some solid points were made.

Not really. It's all either the individual's exceptional subjective opinion on certain topics "DPS calculations are for nerds," "People who buy gold must have crappy lives," or painfully obvious advice "Don't steal other people's camps," "Don't blind invite people to parties."

This individual has written more than 7,000 words and yet said very little.

Edited, Sep 1st 2009 12:26am by Allegory
#17 Aug 31 2009 at 9:44 PM Rating: Default
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As I said, the author comes off as snobby. In fact, he contradicts himself multiple times (stating he doesn't look at the term negatively, yet using it in that light nonetheless), and yes, he highlights "painfully" obvious advice. I agree that a 7,000 (really?) word essay was not required to point this out, but we as a group DO need to address those "painfully" obvious problems as well. As for the calculating is for nerds etc. etc. If you do that, you have no life. Subjective as it may be (and untrue to a very large degree), the ones that take this to an extreme DO get annoying. I will admit, I do stat crunches from time to time when I play video games, but I won't insult people or make a big deal about small differences.
Also, the way by which the author highlighted the effects of newer players quitting on dedicated players was, while obvious to some, ignored by... well the ignorant.
/sigh... I guess this article/essay should be directed at the people that do exhibit the extreme behaviors so I'm not surprised it isn't well received. I had always felt the FF XI community was very helpful save the occasional oddballs who would ruin the experience for others. Let us give the author the benefit of the doubt and assume that he was targeting these players.
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Wake me up when the OP pulls a Jerry Maguire and Dappunisher goes trailing off after him with a bag of fish.
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Lol. I love the elitist attitude you have there. Jesus Christ. Hm. I will save my time and yours- I was going to give a long winded comment as to how retarded you are. Then I realized something! You have no ******* life! THIS is your life. This is where you think that, by making snippy remarks, you are truly special. Have fun in your dead end life man (an assumption? Yes. A correct assumption most likely).
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I was going to give a long winded comment as to how retarded you are...


Can I please hear it before you go?
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I would also be interested in hearing what you have to say. Just let me get some popcorn.
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Ok, now we're going to get slash fiction of Wint x Kachi somehere... rule 34 and all...

Never confuse your inference as the listener for an implication of the speaker.

Good games are subjective like good food is subjective. You're not going to seriously tell me that there's not a psychological basis for why pizza is great and lutefisk is revolting. The thing about subjectivity is that, as subjects go, humans actually have a great deal in common.
#22 Aug 31 2009 at 11:21 PM Rating: Decent
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Lol. I love the elitist attitude you have there. Jesus Christ. Hm. I will save my time and yours- I was going to give a long winded comment as to how retarded you are. Then I realized something! You have no @#%^ing life! THIS is your life. This is where you think that, by making snippy remarks, you are truly special. Have fun in your dead end life man (an assumption? Yes. A correct assumption most likely).

Wait... what?

From my perspective, akirussan simply made a joke (unfortunately one I did not understand). I responded rather harshly towards the OP, but you treated my comments as very civil. How is it that akirussan is the bad guy here, relatively or absolutely?
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