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#52BJordan, Posted: Sep 12 2009 at 7:34 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) It tends to be true; from experience. It's not meant to be a bash, some people just don't want to put down that much more money for a machine when they can get a PC for less. However, it's not really a valid argument when comparing how the computers function against each other or why a majority of users in the world use Windows.
#53 Sep 12 2009 at 7:43 AM Rating: Decent
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Most people who dislike Macs are the people who can't afford them.
Dumbest thing to be posted in this thread so far. Mostly because it just has no factual base, since Macs and PCs are generally prices comparatively. Gotta love that buyer's market.
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#54 Sep 12 2009 at 8:30 AM Rating: Decent
"The dumb is strong in this thread."

There's a lot of misinformation in this thread, and I'm not going to aggravate the flamefest further by getting into internet arguments over details.

However, I do have one question- why do any of you care that some people run an alternative OS, and would like an eagerly anticipated game ported to it? If you're happy with Windows, and already have it and a machine to run it on, great! FFXIV is coming to your platform! Why can't Mac and Linux users have hope that SE will follow up on the fact they have said it would be possible to port it to those platforms?

I run FFXI on my Mac in Bootcamp, and yes it works, and I'm glad I can; however it adds complexity and while in Windows I cannot access my e-mail, media files, etc. (I like to watch movies/tv from my external drives while farming). Having a native client would be very nice, why the hate for wanting it?

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The One and Only Painted wrote:
"The dumb is strong in this thread."

There's a lot of misinformation in this thread, and I'm not going to aggravate the flamefest further by getting into internet arguments over details.

However, I do have one question- why do any of you care that some people run an alternative OS, and would like an eagerly anticipated game ported to it? If you're happy with Windows, and already have it and a machine to run it on, great! FFXIV is coming to your platform! Why can't Mac and Linux users have hope that SE will follow up on the fact they have said it would be possible to port it to those platforms?

I run FFXI on my Mac in Bootcamp, and yes it works, and I'm glad I can; however it adds complexity and while in Windows I cannot access my e-mail, media files, etc. (I like to watch movies/tv from my external drives while farming). Having a native client would be very nice, why the hate for wanting it?

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Unfortunately, your stance isn't original, and this is an argument that's been needlessly going on for years. Trust me, you're no messiah, and are not bringing it to some screeching halt by any means.


Nerds are going to continue to argue about it for years to come, I'm sure. And I'll be here to make sure they know they're nerds.


Nerds.


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Edited, Sep 12th 2009 12:46pm by Zackary
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#56 Sep 12 2009 at 8:47 AM Rating: Excellent
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I have both a Mac and a PC. Each of them has a valid superior use than the other. My PC is a custom home built gaming rig. The fact that you can custom choose whatever parts you want and throw them all together to make your PC exactly what you want is one of, if not the strongest pro to PCs. PC's are also superior in the sense that there is tons of software for them (gaming and otherwise), though I feel this is just due to their ubiquity rather than the windows OS. I also own a Macbook Pro (I bought it refurbished for half price). I absolutely LOVE the way OSX looks and works. I use my Mac as my college computer because I also feel it is less likely to throw me an error or corrupt files. Time Machine is amazing.
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I use my Mac as my college computer because I also feel it is less likely to throw me an error or corrupt files.
Well that, and because gays totally flock to guys with macbooks, MIRITE?
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#58 Sep 12 2009 at 12:10 PM Rating: Decent
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Zackary wrote:


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Unfortunately, your stance isn't original, and this is an argument that's been needlessly going on for years. Trust me, you're no messiah, and are not bringing it to some screeching halt by any means.


Nerds are going to continue to argue about it for years to come, I'm sure. And I'll be here to make sure they know they're nerds.


Nerds.


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Edited, Sep 12th 2009 12:46pm by Zackary


Quite frankly, half of the converation flies right over my head, because I am not nearly as tech saavy as the rest of you. I read through these posts hoping some of the "nerd" might rub off on me, and that I might learn how to build my first ever gaming PC. I've played games on the PC before, but that was long ago i.e. Doom, Duke Nukem, Warcraft's 1&2, etc.
Now, I have no idea where to start my quest to customize the ideal PC to play FF XIV on, should I choose to stray away from the gaming console (PS3). I guess I'll just wait for the FF XIV "Benchmark" to be released, and wait for the numerous arguments over "What PC setup will work best to play the new FF" to flare up.
Is there such thing as a Mac fanboy and a PC fanboy, like there is an XBOX 360 fanboy and PS3 fanboy? Seems like it could be possible.

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#59 Sep 12 2009 at 12:49 PM Rating: Good
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A rig specifically for FFXIV? It'll just be whatever your standard "gaming rig" would be at said point in time. My guess is it won't require anything significant, maybe 2g of RAM and at least a video card that isn't from the 15th century.

Most MMOs on the market don't require much as far as system resources go, so just about all computers within reason can play them to at least some extent. I wouldn't worry about it so much.
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Zackary wrote:
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I use my Mac as my college computer because I also feel it is less likely to throw me an error or corrupt files.
Well that, and because gays totally flock to guys with macbooks, MIRITE?

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#61 Sep 12 2009 at 1:48 PM Rating: Good
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I'd be more of a Mac fan if their television commercials weren't so useless.

"Should we talk about our functionality and prices? Nah, let's overexaggerate our competitor's faults and say nothing about ourselves!"
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I'd be more of a Mac fan if their television commercials weren't so useless.

"Should we talk about our functionality and prices? Nah, let's overexaggerate our competitor's faults and say nothing about ourselves!"

A commercial which exaggerates and attempts to obfuscate the truth? SOMEONE ALERT THE NEWS MEDIA!

Bonus points for Windows having started copying the Mac commercials earlier this year.
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Karelyn wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
I'd be more of a Mac fan if their television commercials weren't so useless.

"Should we talk about our functionality and prices? Nah, let's overexaggerate our competitor's faults and say nothing about ourselves!"

A commercial which exaggerates and attempts to obfuscate the truth? SOMEONE ALERT THE NEWS MEDIA!

Bonus points for Windows having started copying the Mac commercials earlier this year.
News media, huh? Smiley: lol
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Yet your Mac needs windows to play games.


Well yeah...considering it runs windows better than PC runs windows
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DudeManGildas wrote:
Will FFXIV run on the Mac?

I'm sorry if this was posted before, I didn't see any mention.


Question was asked.

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Thank you for all the help.


Question was answered and the OP is satisfied.

Sorry to be a backseat mod, but this post is just going around in circles.
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#66 Sep 13 2009 at 8:58 AM Rating: Good
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Is there such thing as a Mac fanboy and a PC fanboy, like there is an XBOX 360 fanboy and PS3 fanboy? Seems like it could be possible.



Indeed there are, and there's even a thread going on on this board about the Xbox vx PS3 split for FFXIV, just like this one. Odd thing is, and I almost came back and posted it yesterday, is that that thread is far more civil than this Mac vs. PC one is (was, actually; it's gotten pretty reasonable last day or two).

Console fanboys can be the most vicious people in the world defending their platform choice- mean in the way only a middleschool girl can. So the fact that it's been a pretty calm over there is surprising:

XBox owner: "Darn, I was hoping that FFXIV would be available for my console!"
PS3 owner: "Cheer up, old boy, there's hope for you yet, SE said it'll only be exclusive at launch!"

And to Zackary, yeah, I know I'm the guy standing calmly in the food-fight, saying "now, now, let's be reasonable here folks, put down the pie...", but I'm always a little irritated by the smug "lolmacs" attitude some have. I spent my time as a Mac fanboy, back when the platform was pretty much indefensible (Performa 6200/ OS 8.1, anyone?). Now the platform is viable, has a great OS (not dissing Windows here, 7 does look interesting if it delivers), and in general has maintained a very good build quality. It's market share is climbing steadily for the first time since the '90's. It's a good time to be a Mac owner, so long as you're not an avid gamer.

If you are? Yeah you run bootcamp. It works, but it is jarring. After quitting FFXI in mid 2007, I picked up WoW, which like all Blizzard games is cross platform. It was delightful not having to reboot all the time, I had all my tunes, my bookmarks, my email, etc. right there. And a funny thing happened- Apple started working directly with Blizzard to increase the performance of the Mac WoW Client. They were even featured on-stage at a MacWorld specifically talking about the performance they were realizing on OS X. In general, I noticed about a 50% reduction in both OS boot and launching WoW, and about a 40% increase in general frame rate. This is on the exact same hardware. Even Mythic is porting Warhammer to the Mac.

So when SE commented that a port of FFXIV to the Mac wasn't out of the question, my ears perked up immediately. I really hope they do create a Mac client, and it's my hope that someone from SE is working on the question "what other* platforms should we target, and in what order? Xbox 360, Mac, Linux, other?" and that hopefully, just hopefully, the number of responses topics like this and the 360 thread are one of the metrics they're using to gauge interest.

Yeah, I'm dreaming, I know it :P
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Why is this addressed to me? I don't give a **** about which operating system is "better." You must have me confused with someone else.
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Apple products look better and have an absurdly superior customer-service record. I really don't have any trouble seeing how people might buy a Mac based on either of those things, and I wouldn't fault them for it.

My suspicion is that a lot of the people who deride Macs as shiny and expensive have very ugly furniture in their homes. And, that's fine, but it's also not hard to understand why some people prefer to pay extra for pretty things.

Personally, I've never had a PC that, if it broke, was simple or pleasant to get replaced or repaired. I've only had a handful of hardware problems over the lifetime of several PC's, but if any of those problems had happened at a crucial time, I would have paid almost anything to have had a Mac that I could just drive over to my local Apple store.
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My suspicion is that a lot of the people who deride Macs as shiny and expensive have very ugly furniture in their homes.


Absurd.

I didn't buy a PC because I "couldn't afford" a Mac. I didn't buy a PC because I have "ugly furniture."

I build my rigs mainly for gaming, and I simply wasn't impressed by the GT 120s that come standard in the Mac "Pro" models since they are nothing more than rebranded 9500 GTs. Ditto for the HD 4870 upgrade the Apple Store offers for "even more advanced graphics work." Where are the GTX 275s, 280s, 285s, 295s or the HD 4870 X2s?

In terms of gaming, for most users buying a Mac means paying more and getting less.

And for the record, I have spent far more on my furniture than I ever have on a gaming rig (1880s Romanian dining room table FTL).
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Zackary wrote:
Karelyn wrote:
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I'd be more of a Mac fan if their television commercials weren't so useless.

"Should we talk about our functionality and prices? Nah, let's overexaggerate our competitor's faults and say nothing about ourselves!"
A commercial which exaggerates and attempts to obfuscate the truth? SOMEONE ALERT THE NEWS MEDIA!

Bonus points for Windows having started copying the Mac commercials earlier this year.
News media, huh? Smiley: lol
I will admit that the format of said commercials does come in handy.
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Personally, I've never had a PC that, if it broke, was simple or pleasant to get replaced or repaired. I've only had a handful of hardware problems over the lifetime of several PC's, but if any of those problems had happened at a crucial time, I would have paid almost anything to have had a Mac that I could just drive over to my local Apple store.
I work for Geek Squad, and trust me when I say this, you are not as covered as you think you are by Apple. They only deal with hardware issues if it's a flaw on their part. Anything that is considered "blatant damage" will get you shown the door in an Apple store. This includes, but is not limited to liquids in your keyboard, pressure spots on your flatscreen, cracks in the casing (Not too uncommon for Macbooks because of how small they are.) and really anything that could be wear and tear. A good portion of the time they automatically assume that the damage was intentional, since there are people out there who would do sh*t like that to get a freebie replacement.

If you have a software issue, then the Apple store is great. Otherwise, you're pretty much on your own unless it's something that's very obviously Apple's fault.



Honestly it doesn't matter either way. They both have excellent software support, the only difference is Microsoft's tech support is all web based, which doesn't help you if you're stuck in safe mode trying to figure out why Windows won't properly boot. The beauty of the Apple store is that you don't have to go through the headache yourself, you pay someone a minuscule amount of money to do it for you. Personally, I'd prefer to have the convenience of the Apple store, but I also wouldn't want to have to use bootcamp to be able to use my computer.

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#72Dronamidgard, Posted: Sep 14 2009 at 10:38 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) LMAO at Mac vs PC arguments
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Why does it matter what OS people use. i use both Mac and PC although i do have access to my Mac more than PC.

1. It would be a alright/**** maybe even great to have the game on more platforms because it would increase player base and increase profits. * and don't say the mac market isn't huge, because it has grown over the last few years and now with steam on mac, there are a lot more Mac gamers*.

2.These "Mac Haters" have probably never owned a mac, or maybe they have but most people that hate on macs and don't give very good reasons have never tired them/owned them. *Hey i used to be like Mac's fail until i brought one*.

3.Some of the most successful mmo's have Mac clients it's just good business and polite. =]
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anyway... the question was "can u run ffxiv on a Mac... " understanding now that you need an intel Mac, either the MacPro tower or the latest iMac i5 or i7 running bootcamp. on bootcamp, you'll install the latest service pack (3) for xp or windows 7 etc...

I have a 40gig partition, and an external fw drive for all my pc games.

I run ffxi, battlefield 2, oblivion and dragon age on this machine at almost the highest settings... and I've been running ffxiv beta with everything turned up except for turning off te shadows.

if you an intel MacBook pro - you'll be able to run ffxiv but on lower settings. I've been playing ffxi on my MacBook pro for three years and it's a lot of fun!

please ask if you need any other info.
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Mac's excel at graphic design, video, 3d, and sound engineering.
How?
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the reason people say mac's are better at graphics,sound design etc etc is because some graphics design/video production companies do use mac.
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Commodore 64...enough said. You guys with your 64-bit systems are primitive to my 8-bit wonder.
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Just forget pc and mac. In a mere 7 years we'll have FFXIV running almost well on linux with nearly half the performance! :D

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2.These "Mac Haters" have probably never owned a mac, or maybe they have but most people that hate on macs and don't give very good reasons have never tired them/owned them. *Hey i used to be like Mac's fail until i brought one*.
I've never owned a mac because I've used them before and don't want to pay twice as much money for less performance and functionality.
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Sorry only awesome American developers include mac versions to sell more copies, make more money, and expand their player base. SE doesn't like that kind of stuff.

That said, I don't like macs anyway. My $1200 PC will destroy a $2000 mac. It has nothing to do with what I can afford, it has everything to do with not wasting money.

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I am a mac user myself (choise it over alienware m17x but that is my choise).

And in my opinion, it is not worth it to intall window on a mac if you only use it for gaming, only intall OS unleast you need to run a window program other than gaming. It is better to wait for the mac version or play the PS3 version

edit: http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp the number of ppl use mac OS is inrease, so in 2-3 years there will be more mmorpg make for mac petform, dont worry mac user, look at the bright side :)

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This.
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