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#1 Sep 06 2009 at 2:20 PM Rating: Decent
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I snagged this from 1up.com. Seems like FFXIV might be coming to the XBOX 360, after all.


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"Square is setting out to put Final Fantasy XIV on the Xbox 360, but is hitting snags with the Xbox Live policy, reports VG247. Producer Hiromichi Tanaka credited the discussions with Microsoft for delaying an official announcement of the game. "For FFXIV, because 360 has its own policy with Xbox Live that is different from [the] internet, that's something we're in discussions with Microsoft [about], to come to an agreement," he said. "That's one of the reasons it's not going to be launched [simultaneously]."
The PlayStation 3 would probably have a window of exclusivity even if Microsoft discussions weren't ongoing; the announcement was saved for Sony's E3 press conference, and only after did Square chime in to let us know that it was coming to other platforms. A name as big as Final Fantasy is sure to make Microsoft bend its internal rules a bit, so we'll definitely see the MMO hit at some point."

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Now that FF XIV will be multi-platform, which system will you play it on (XBOX 360/PS3/PC), and why?
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#2 Sep 06 2009 at 2:32 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'm usually pro-PS3. I own all 3 current-gen systems, but I've always held a fondness for PS3. I think it gets a lot of flak just because it's more complicated to develop on, so I view it kind of as a little brother. So usually I'm very pro-PS3 exclusive.

With that being said, I don't care much with FFXIV. The more people that plays this, the better. And actually, I think it'd be kind of cool if it'd be one of the few (if not only, I'm not sure) games that allow the 360/PS3/PC to all converge together. It would almost bond the gaming community together a little bit, I think.

I think it was well played how they did it at E3 and everything.
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#3 Sep 06 2009 at 2:46 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm all for more players, too. I own a PS3 and XBOX 360 Elite. Even if FFXIV were a simultaneous release across all three platforms, I'd buy it for the PS3. The same goes for FF XIII. I'd much prefer to play the game on a single blue ray disc, rather than three separate DVD's for the XBOX version. It seems to me, that the PS3 has a longer shelf life than the XBOX 360, so most of the multi-platform titles on my shopping list are for Sony.
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#4 Sep 06 2009 at 7:31 PM Rating: Decent
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I'd play it on 360 as I don't own a PS3 and don't own a PC. Nuff said.
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#5 Sep 07 2009 at 12:15 AM Rating: Decent
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If you're really that interested in the game, there's only two platforms. PS3 and PC.

You'll miss the launch by at the very least 6 months, and more likely, a year. There's obviously some form of agreement between Sony and SE in regards to it.

Just seems like anyone who were truly interested in it, wouldn't want to wait that long to play it, and miss out on the launch period.

I'll be buying it for PS3 and PC, best of both, really.

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#6 Sep 07 2009 at 2:53 PM Rating: Decent
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the artical sound more like speculation than anything
#7 Sep 07 2009 at 9:27 PM Rating: Decent
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sirhenrywalton wrote:
the artical sound more like speculation than anything


Here's a clip of another interview with one of the producers of FFXIV, from Gamespot.com...


11:54] Hashimoto would like to clarify some confusion regarding the exclusivity.

[11:56] Through a translator, he says that some folks interpreted that it was an exclusive, the announcement would be coming to the PS3 and PC.

[11:56] "We are considering all options at this time, including Microsoft hardware." (Emphasis added.)



It is clear that SE wants this game to be accessible to as many players as possible, because they are continuing negotiations with Microsoft, who are obvious to blame for the delay of release. Seriously, I don't understand corporate motives. I mean, Microsoft has no problem in squandering 50 million dollars for exclusive rights to GTA IV DLC, and God-knows-how-much to Bethesda for the timed exclusive DLC for Fallout 3, but they aren't willing to pay anything for a piece of Final Fantasy's pie? Really?

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#8 Sep 08 2009 at 12:29 AM Rating: Decent
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If you're really that interested in the game, there's only two platforms. PS3 and PC.

You'll miss the launch by at the very least 6 months, and more likely, a year. There's obviously some form of agreement between Sony and SE in regards to it.

Just seems like anyone who were truly interested in it, wouldn't want to wait that long to play it, and miss out on the launch period.

I'll be buying it for PS3 and PC, best of both, really.

Edited, Sep 7th 2009 12:17pm by ScorpionEx


Just because you have no patience doesn't mean no one else does either. There are plenty of people playing XI now on the 360 who missed the first three years and are not complaining.

I surely hope the problems are wrangled out and it is released for the 360! As others say, the bigger the player base the better, and what a great way to expand it than releasing it on multiple platforms!
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#9 Sep 08 2009 at 6:26 AM Rating: Default
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Kordain wrote:
ScorpionEx wrote:
If you're really that interested in the game, there's only two platforms. PS3 and PC.

You'll miss the launch by at the very least 6 months, and more likely, a year. There's obviously some form of agreement between Sony and SE in regards to it.

Just seems like anyone who were truly interested in it, wouldn't want to wait that long to play it, and miss out on the launch period.

I'll be buying it for PS3 and PC, best of both, really.

Edited, Sep 7th 2009 12:17pm by ScorpionEx


Just because you have no patience doesn't mean no one else does either. There are plenty of people playing XI now on the 360 who missed the first three years and are not complaining.

I surely hope the problems are wrangled out and it is released for the 360! As others say, the bigger the player base the better, and what a great way to expand it than releasing it on multiple platforms!


Those people who waited to play it on 360, were probably not that interested in FFXI in the first place.

In fact, I'm willing to bet, that the majority of the people who did play FFXI on 360, were people replacing dead PS2's to go play it.

I'm far from impatient though. I mean, if I were, I'd be screaming from the rooftops about it being out -right now- or I'd actually want to take part in the BETA. Instead, I'm happy waiting until Dec 2010, or even 2011 for the game to come out.

I just don't see the sense, for someone who has significant interest in the title, holding out for a year, or potentially indefinitely, if MS didn't agree to SE's terms.

I mean, realistically, anyone who can afford to play FFXI and have an active internet connection, isn't going to be in a position where they can't possibly afford to save the $150~$299 for a used or new PS3 in almost a year, are they?
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#10 Sep 08 2009 at 7:06 AM Rating: Default
We kind of already knew this information, but anyway...

New players are good. Awesome, even.

But I don't approve of a company releasing a ****** port just to make some extra money.

FFXI-360 is a ******* embarrassment and I can not say this enough.

If they want to release a 360 version of FFXIV, feel free, but it better be god **** polished.
Same goes for PS3 version, of course.
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I know this has been brought up already in the thread but the article does not say at all whether its coming to the 360, now or in the future. Its speculation over what the developers intend to do. But just remember what they intend to do or want does not always translate to being real. Just remember this... FFXI was also supposedly scheduled to release on the ORIGINAL Xbox but they couldn't come to term agreements with Microsoft back than over the Xbox Live situation. We also have several MMORPG or MMOs that were supposed to release on the Xbox360 and PC but later got canned or indefinitely delayed for the 360 (Age of Conan, Champions Online etc.), some of which are even partially handled by Microsoft itself.

It seems other than FFXI and maybe PSU, no one has succesfully wrangled a deal with Microsoft to handle MMOs properly, and if they are playing hardball enough not to release it across all 3 platforms at launch, the likely hood of it happening down the line is a lot smaller than you think. In other words don't get your hopes up for a 360 release, if you have to wait for a 360 release you probably didn't have much care to play the game at all, or at least thats what your attitude should be because at this point its not going to come out for launch, the time when you 'should' start an MMORPG if you had the chance.

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#12 Sep 08 2009 at 10:55 AM Rating: Decent
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In fact, I'm willing to bet, that the majority of the people who did play FFXI on 360, were people replacing dead PS2's to go play it.


Never even heard of it until 360 demo disk came out.... been hooked ever since.
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#13 Sep 08 2009 at 12:44 PM Rating: Good
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Poubelle, Star Breaker wrote:
We kind of already knew this information, but anyway...

New players are good. Awesome, even.

But I don't approve of a company releasing a sh*tty port just to make some extra money.

FFXI-360 is a @#%^ing embarrassment and I can not say this enough.

If they want to release a 360 version of FFXIV, feel free, but it better be god **** polished.
Same goes for PS3 version, of course.


The PS3 version and 360 will be ports of a PC version, which means it will be downgraded to fit both versions (granted a 360 version comes out) so if people care for pure quality of their game, they better **** well pick up the PC version, or they'll just have to deal with the usual 'port syndromes' with the PS3 and 360 versions. The 360 version of FFXI wasn't that bad, it was on a system by system base, some people have a horrid time in Dynamis, Campaign and Besieged, others have a horrible time in just besieged but not campaign and dynamis and so on.

So I wouldn't say the 360 version of FFXI was an embarrassment, there are many other games that are just utter fail when getting ported between the consoles to the point of being unplayable and make you wonder if they spent more than 2 minutes to do anything besides adding in achievements, the 360 itself is extremely fickle.
#14 Sep 08 2009 at 1:31 PM Rating: Decent
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I really hope that FFXIV comes out for the Xbox 360 eventually. I have both a PS3 and 360 and really prefer using the Xbox when it comes to online games. Plus, I'm so used to using it for FFXI!

I'll buy it for the PS3 when it's released but everyone please keep your fingers crossed for a Xbox 360 port.
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#15 Sep 08 2009 at 4:55 PM Rating: Default
Actually the first video that was show to the press about FFXIV was during a microsoft press event in 2005. Everyone at the press event thought it was for FFXI but after 4 years later it pop up on sony e3 press event. So it can be very well hoping over to 360 since SE loves the $$$.
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The PS3 version and 360 will be ports of a PC version, which means it will be downgraded to fit both versions (granted a 360 version comes out) so if people care for pure quality of their game, they better **** well pick up the PC version, or they'll just have to deal with the usual 'port syndromes' with the PS3 and 360 versions. The 360 version of FFXI wasn't that bad, it was on a system by system base, some people have a horrid time in Dynamis, Campaign and Besieged, others have a horrible time in just besieged but not campaign and dynamis and so on.

So I wouldn't say the 360 version of FFXI was an embarrassment, there are many other games that are just utter fail when getting ported between the consoles to the point of being unplayable and make you wonder if they spent more than 2 minutes to do anything besides adding in achievements, the 360 itself is extremely fickle.


Actually FFXI was pure emulation of the PS2 version across Xbox360 AND PC. Its why the game is so CPU dependant and better GPUs don't even really help the frame rate or apply other more standard effects. The only thing a better GPU does is give better performance on a higher resolution and keep the frame rate from dipping when applying things like bump mapping. So in essence they really did give a crappy port for FFXI for the 360 but also for the PC.

They are now utilizing an engine that was designed for graphical scaling across multiple systems so how a game performs on a console shouldn't be that drastic no matter what system they do of the two next gen (Texture resolution and other fickle things like that might be different between the consoles, but they shouldn't play like *** backwards port the 360 had) so no its not being designed around the PC, its still being designed around consoles, its just that the PC crowd won't just get an emulation this time around.
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i'm getting it for pc regardless... i have 360 and pc and i don't really feel comftorable using my 360 for single sessions as long as i'm going to use it for ffxiv, not only that but my pc is a lot more powerful, a lot, so i'm assuming it will look better on my pc than on 360, from other games i've played both on 360 and PC (bioshock/masseffecct/etc.) my PC will be able to handle it much better.
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#18 Sep 08 2009 at 9:40 PM Rating: Good
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i'm getting it for pc regardless... i have 360 and pc and i don't really feel comftorable using my 360 for single sessions as long as i'm going to use it for ffxiv, not only that but my pc is a lot more powerful, a lot, so i'm assuming it will look better on my pc than on 360, from other games i've played both on 360 and PC (bioshock/masseffecct/etc.) my PC will be able to handle it much better.


If you got the equipment for it, the PC "Should" be the best one regardless so I follow you :) I am planning to do a full desktop upgrade early next year myself with the best Nvidia based GPU and other stuff (more RAM, better CPU etc.) with a 64bit Windows 7 OS. My current best PC still only runs XP but has a 8800 GTS GPU :( (no DX10 for me in other words). My point was the PS3 and the "possible" Xbox360 release should be adequate and be visually appealing where it really won't matter which one you get as the game will run properly no matter the platform you pick it up on.

Speaking of Nvidia GPU... I hope the dev teams take their appeal to heart to get out the best technology for the game around the time its released for PC users, and that includes the possible option to utilize Nvidia's 3-D drive. This game would be amazing with the kind of draw distance and detail with the 3-D shutter technology they now employ. And with Sonys new push for 3-D next year on all projects including PS3, I hope they consider it as a possibility >.> I "Love" proper 3-D after experiencing it first hand.
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I'm definitely NOT buying the 360 version. Seriously, I can't imagine anyone who would buy it. The Xbox 360 system is totally unreliable which is a huge no no for MMO's. Red lights of doom, thanks for the offer but I'll have to pass.
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Ps3 is a power house. I honestly hope that it don't come out on 360 so we don't have to sacrifice quality for it to run on a xbox. If they devoloping on ps3 im sure what they put out will have to be downgraded for the 360. Given quares history for making visually stunning games. Ps3 has so much more potential than a 360. I think thay gonna need a new system by the end of 2010 to compete with sony in game quality. If quare puts out a game developed on ps3 that can run in the same quality on a 360 then they fail.
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I think thay gonna need a new system by the end of 2010 to compete with sony in game quality.


After reading the following article, I tend to think not.

From: http://www.businessinsider.com/why-theres-no-wii-2-xbox-720-or-ps4-on-the-horizon-2009-6

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The theme of this year's E3 gaming expo is that publishers and developers finally know how to harness the power of the three big consoles -- Nintendo's Wii, Microsoft's Xbox 360, and Sony's PS3 -- and the upcoming slate of games will be the most technically ambitious, polished video games ever. Of course, just as everyone's getting comfortable with the consoles of the current generation, next generation consoles are right around the corner.

Colin Sebastian of Lazard Capital Markets says "both Sony and Microsoft have new platforms in development." So it's a done deal, right?

It's a classic game theory problem called a prisoner's dilemma: Everyone's better off by keeping the current generation going as long as possible, but one company can try to stake out a strategic advantage by moving first. However, for the first time in gaming's modern era (after the Atari crash), there appears to be no driving force for any of the "prisoners" to push forward to the next generation of video game consoles any time soon.

It is in the interest of all three console makers -- Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft -- to keep this generation going as long as possible. Nintendo's (NTDOY) printing money, Microsoft (MSFT) has worked out their manufacturing issues, and Sony's (SNE) finally been able to reduce costs on the PlayStation 3 where they're finally not taking a massive bath on every console sold.

Traditionally, the last-place finisher in a particular console generation aims to be the first out of the gate in the next one. However, there's no major reason for Sony to try to move the goalposts on Microsoft and Nintendo. Unlike the jump from the PS one (compact discs) to the PlayStation 2 (DVDs) and the jump from the PS2 to the PlayStation 3 (Blu-ray), there is no new larger storage medium to jump to. Sony's thinking was that the inclusion of Blu-ray in the PS3 would allow Sony to hold off Microsoft's 360, just as the PS2's DVD player helped depress demand for Sega's Dreamcast, which sported a GD-ROM (essentially, a higher capacity compact disc) drive.

For the PlayStation 3, built-in Blu-ray and hard drives in all models still remain significant differentiators. Microsoft tried to counter the PS3's Blu-ray with a software-powered external HD-DVD drive and the lack of a hard drive on all 360 models continues to result in developer grumbling. The PS3 has no problem pushing 1080p visuals at a smooth 60 frames a second -- the standard for the best HDTVs. Manufacturing costs will only continue to fall, and Sony maintains its advantage in technical specs. A new console generation increases development and manufacturing costs, and developers would have to learn to code for a new platform -- the issue that resulted in many third party Xbox 360 exclusives in the PS3's formative years. Sony doesn't want to end up in that situation again.

However, Microsoft looks to be in no hurry to introduce a new console that has Blu-ray, and why would they? The 360 has managed to outsell the PS3 worldwide without it, despite Microsoft's failure to penetrate the Japanese market in any meaningful way. The fees from Xbox Live Gold subscriptions are a significant, and high margin, recurring revenue stream, and would be in jeopardy in the move to a new console generation.

Nintendo has taken a different path with the Wii: They've ceded technical superiority to the other guys and went for a user-experience superiority. They blazed a new path with the DS's touch controls and chose to continue to cede technical superiority for a new user experience and a broad effort to go after the "blue ocean" by bringing non-gamers into the fold. But there's no guarantee that these new Wii owners would upgrade to a new platform; Nintendo may have to re-sell these new gamers and if HD graphics didn't matter the first time, why would they matter the second?

According to Lazard's Sebastian, even though both Sony and Microsoft have spent some development dollars on next-generation consoles, "neither one is enthusiastic about launching a new platform." Nintendo has already talked about "refreshing" the Wii, specifically speaking about high definition and online services, characterized by Sebastian as a kind of "Wii plus." Sebastian says that the "natural lives of the consoles would be through 2012 or 2013." That would be a seven-year console cycle, which would be the longest in history.

Now, one company may still try to sell out the other two prisoners and kick off a new console generation for their own benefit. Nintendo might decide it has to press its advantage now, as demand no longer outstrips supply for the Wii and they feel that they can continue to use their goodwill to make new inroads into casual and family gaming. Perhaps real gesture control -- controllers with motion sensors, like the Wii's -- for Microsoft and Sony can't come on the current 360 and PS3 platforms and would require new processing hardware. Someone may see the potential dollar signs and decide to commit to digital distribution and cut out the retailer channels to control the pipe to the box.

But game theory analysis of everyone's incentives says this game ain't over yet, not by a longshot.
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Ps3 is a power house. I honestly hope that it don't come out on 360 so we don't have to sacrifice quality for it to run on a xbox

This is just absurd. Both consoles are old already. Even if the PS3 is slightly more powerful than a 360, both are already inferior to a PC, and this is a year before FFXIV is released. By then, the PS3 will be 4 years old and the 360 5 years old.

Thats 4-5 years old, which is HUGE.

So I'm not arguing that the 360 won't cause issues, but so will the PS3. Pretending the difference between them is anything like whats happened in PCs in the 3 years (4 by the time of release) since the PS3 is ludicrous.

Then consider that FFXI is 7 years old. At that point in FFXIV's life cycle, the PS3 will be 11 years old. ELEVEN YEARS.

There is simply NO way that having it on consoles, regardless of whether one is slightly better than the other, won't be a limitation. We will at least be on PS4/720 by then, if not yet another generation beyond.
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This is just absurd. Both consoles are old already. Even if the PS3 is slightly more powerful than a 360, both are already inferior to a PC, and this is a year before FFXIV is released. By then, the PS3 will be 4 years old and the 360 5 years old.

Thats 4-5 years old, which is HUGE.

So I'm not arguing that the 360 won't cause issues, but so will the PS3. Pretending the difference between them is anything like whats happened in PCs in the 3 years (4 by the time of release) since the PS3 is ludicrous.

Then consider that FFXI is 7 years old. At that point in FFXIV's life cycle, the PS3 will be 11 years old. ELEVEN YEARS.

There is simply NO way that having it on consoles, regardless of whether one is slightly better than the other, won't be a limitation. We will at least be on PS4/720 by then, if not yet another generation beyond.


Limitations will come in time, but id hardly call a 3 Core (dual threading on all 3 I might add) and what is essentially an 8 core CPU 'old' by any standard. We are JUST getting the equvalent of those CPUs on the market now (most not even coming close to the 3.2ghz but obviously the high end CPUs have been there for a while in overclocked form). The only thing comparably old is the amount of usuable RAM in both video and virtual for the PS3 and the 360, and even having said that most 'current' computer sellers aren't even selling 64bit OS's to even utilize more than 3GB of RAM right from the start. Further more the PS3 has a special extremely fast RAM that you will only find in the most expensive PC gaming rigs availible which most consumers of even slightly hardcore strength in the PC market won't even have. The PS3, and even the 360, are FAR from old technology wise and developers are only just starting to understand the strengths of the 2 as well so there will be even improvements for the game down the line.

The difference between when FFXI launched and the system availible specs and when FFXIV will likely release is COMPLETELY different. 32MB combined RAM (and 8MB visual RAM) of the PS2 vs already 528mb visual RAM and 2gig RAM standard desktop spec when it LAUNCHed for the PC and specs of the PS3 vs current tech cannot even be compared. Its changing (OS upgrades to 64bit, and better multi-core processors and GPU (which actually is the only technology that has kept up with its old standard of multiplying its power every year)), but I think your overestimating the pace at which technology is flowing onto the PC market and just how powerful both systems were by PC standards at launch. The techonolgy is there, but the market isn't buying enough of it to speed specs along to even greater technology leaps. We are starting to get to a technological point where exponential leaps every 2 years just isn't happening (Because of limitation of silicon waffers is starting to show its face). Limitations will come, but they won't be even close to what the PS2 had against the PC.
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They were inferior to PCs the instant they were released, but I'm assuming you mean the average gaming PC.

As to the OP: PC, of course.
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I own the two power houses and the crappy old Wii as well and I'd be happy if this game even went to the Wii, it just means more players online with us, plus a new wave of noobs is always a fun time, i'll be buying it on the PS3 simply because Its better than my PC and the game is released first on it, so its not a hard decision. I'd imagine the PS3 is a hardware more suited for an MMO whereas the 360 i'm not so sure...but hey, i'm sure they know what they're doing and i'm talking out my ***. P.S. I own 30 360 games, and 5 PS3 games and I've had both consoles since launch, so don't think i hate the 360 for saying what i said, i'm not trying to start a heated topic about whther the PS3 is better or the 360 is, i'm just giving an uneducated opinion.
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i doubt it... with the natal coming out making a new system that soon would't be a smart business plan. just the fact that people are going to be furious if they are going to have to pay (200? i don't think real price is set or anything but 200 is what i' guessing) dollars for natal then within in same year or even the next they come out with a whole new system.

there might possibly be A 360 natal, with the natal built in or something but it won't be any "new" system. Players wouldnt have that.
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there might possibly be A 360 natal, with the natal built in or something but it won't be any "new" system. Players wouldnt have that.


You're probably right. We're more likely to see the PS3 and 360 get makeovers than we are to have yet another console shoved down our throats. After all, most of the world is still in recession, or trying to recover from one, and unemployment is unbelievably high. For those of us lucky enough to still have jobs, work hours have been drastically reduced, leaving people strapped for cash.

From: http://www.edge-online.com/news/ea-expects-ps35-and-xbox-560-before-next-gen

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EA’s chief creative officer, Rich Hilleman, expects Sony and Microsoft to focus on updates to existing hardware before releasing next generation consoles.

Speaking about the “re-engineering” of the game business at the Hot Chips conference, he said that Sony and Microsoft nearly expired getting the PS3 and Xbox 360 to market, and are therefore not likely to be in any rush to release brand new home consoles.

“I expected we’ll see a PlayStation 3.5 before we see a PlayStation 4 and an Xbox 560 before we see an Xbox 720,” he said, according to VentureBeat.

Hilleman also said that online will play an increasingly dominant role in the industry’s future. “The biggest shift is how fast packaged goods games are changing and going away. If I want to go to see the past of gaming, I go to Japan. If I want to see the future, I go to Korea.”

He noted that there are currently around 28,000 internet game rooms in South Korea where users pay an hourly fee to use PCs online. About half of the country’s population of 48 million plays games, he added.
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#28 Sep 11 2009 at 1:18 PM Rating: Decent
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If my wife and I both can't start it at launch there's no reason to play. Pass.
#29 Sep 11 2009 at 3:29 PM Rating: Excellent
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The situation you quoted at Gamescon is the exactly where the situation was at the E3 unveiling. SE has always wanted to bring the title to the 360, but MS has been unwilling to modify its policies for this title in the same way they did for XI.

So the only thing this has shown is that so far MS has not compromised. Frankly, it doesn't sound like the two sides are actively discussing it anymore, going by the complete lack of progress.

I hope the 360 gets it one day, but you should really edit the thread title, as it is misleading and completely untrue at the moment. Until SE says differently, the is NO 360 version in the works. We have enough misinformation to sift through without this.
#30 Sep 11 2009 at 3:33 PM Rating: Good
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I'm sure it will come to to the 360 but I would not hold my breath you would prolly pass out
#31 Sep 11 2009 at 5:48 PM Rating: Decent
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Limitations will come in time, but id hardly call a 3 Core (dual threading on all 3 I might add) and what is essentially an 8 core CPU 'old' by any standard. We are JUST getting the equvalent of those CPUs on the market now (most not even coming close to the 3.2ghz but obviously the high end CPUs have been there for a while in overclocked form).

The 3.2GHz is for the PPE, the central core, not the 8 SPEs, so I think you're confused. A 4 core 3.2Ghz processor will outperform the Cell, and Core2Quads are quite common now.

Further more the PS3 has a special extremely fast RAM that you will only find in the most expensive PC gaming rigs availible which most consumers of even slightly hardcore strength in the PC market won't even have.

Also false, XDR is not superior to DDR3 (XDR basically got ignored by the PC world). You can get 1 GB (4 times the amount a PS3 has) of DDR3 for about 30 bucks. 256MB of RAM is pathetic (I currently run 8GB on my main PC, 4GB is pretty standard now).

The GPU is based on Nvidia G70 technology which is what the Geforce 7 series runs, in other words it's already 2 generations behind what current PCs have.

I think much of your information is out of date, the limitations are already here and you can see them on games that are released on both PC and PS3. This will become much more pronounced over the life of FFXIV.



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#32 Sep 11 2009 at 7:51 PM Rating: Good
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I think much of your information is out of date, the limitations are already here and you can see them on games that are released on both PC and PS3. This will become much more pronounced over the life of FFXIV.


My RAM information is out of date but I said no where that the 3.2Ghz was spread out on all parts of the Cell Processor, it, like you said, is regulated only to the main processing unit the PPU and the SPEs (8 in total but only 7 usuable) are merely single information crunching blocks that later feed their results to the PPU instead of having completely separate threads like most normal multi-core dual threading CPUs have. The Cells Asymetrical processor architecture is like comparing oranges to apples anyways as theoretical computation varies depending on the task and how its programed. However with proper programming for the Cell it can do feats better than a 4 core, but at the same time, certain things can be done better on a simple dual core CPU than the cell can etc.

Im saying your oversimplifying it and only NOW the standard for computer CPUs is starting to make all parts of the Cell Processor inferior where as the PS2 was inferior by the noted average computer standard right out the door at launch. And the 'rate' at which technology is advancing is significant;y slower than it was at the birth of the PS2. What would have been mere stepping stones in the past (as far as technology advancement) are considered leaps these days. If you get the best components possible every 2-3 years, of course the PC will be better, but the standard casual PC on the market is just NOW getting to the point of even comparing to the two next-gen systems. AND the limitations that are present now won't even be noticiable unless you have an extreme over the top PC, and having said that... what game won't be that way released in the near future? There are only a handful of games that might even utilize DirectX10 properly much less the upcoming DX11, and only in the past year have we seen a larger share of PC games that even have 'recomended' multi-core specs much less minimum. By your logic the PC is limiting the PC since most PC developers are 'pandering' to a lower speced crowd anyways far below the next-gen console crowd.

And when the game release, no matter what anyone says limitations will come, but guess what, thats the same way with almost EVERY SINGLE PC GAME (EVE being an exception among the MMORPG crowd), the minute its released, unless the developers for the goodness hearts feel like completely revamping the game to utilize new PC standards, it will stand the test of the time its released, and it will just be contained to the limits of its generation.
#33 Sep 11 2009 at 9:08 PM Rating: Decent
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