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#1 Sep 26 2009 at 1:43 PM Rating: Good
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What is the likelihood that xiv will have some voice acting. Maybe the mission cutscenes or the npcs just walking around the city?

Would you like XIV to add voice acting, just some or it's not really needed? What are your thoughts on this.

Personally I would think a little voice acting for the cut scenes would be great, although it may delay xiv.

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#2 Sep 26 2009 at 1:52 PM Rating: Excellent
They mentioned major CS/story characters will have voice acting, but not most of the random townies.

As long as they don't get annoying actors idc either way.
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my only concern is that they're using english only voice acting and usually, for a japanese anime/game, the japanese voice actors are much better to listen to with the subs than the english dubbing so hopefully we'll get some good english voice acting this time around.
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#4 Sep 26 2009 at 2:13 PM Rating: Default
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my only concern is that they're using english only voice acting and usually, for a japanese anime/game, the japanese voice actors are much better to listen to with the subs than the english dubbing so hopefully we'll get some good english voice acting this time around.


you also have a good point. That with a multi regional game as this, XIV would need much more actors to voice different languages. Which may add on to the cost and delay. It wouldn't be too bad though.
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#5 Sep 26 2009 at 3:26 PM Rating: Excellent
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my only concern is that they're using english only voice acting and usually, for a japanese anime/game, the japanese voice actors are much better to listen to with the subs than the english dubbing so hopefully we'll get some good english voice acting this time around.


English voice actors were probably picked because it's the most spoken language. Unlike Japanese dubbed animes, the sync of FFXIV would be clearer because the game is made for English voices and mannerisms. If you go watch Yu-gi-oh or any other anime dub, you're attempting to match the expressions and story of the original video. So it only seems logical, that the presentation of these CS which feature motion captured graphics and VO's will perfectly sync in English.
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my only concern is that they're using english only voice acting and usually, for a japanese anime/game, the japanese voice actors are much better to listen to with the subs than the english dubbing so hopefully we'll get some good english voice acting this time around.


English voice actors were probably picked because it's the most spoken language. Unlike Japanese dubbed animes, the sync of FFXIV would be clearer because the game is made for English voices and mannerisms. If you go watch Yu-gi-oh or any other anime dub, you're attempting to match the expressions and story of the original video. So it only seems logical, that the presentation of these CS which feature motion captured graphics and VO's will perfectly sync in English.


You're completely right. I understand that it was picked since it is the universally the most spoken language but my true concern was just the quality of the voice acting rather than the synchronization. But it seems that the quality would be much higher than normal since it is not based off of the expressions and story of an original video. Well, I just hope they don't make the lalafell voices sound like how shantotto sounds in dissidia english version.

JP Shantotto: www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_iQIRWv51I
US Shantotto: www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPuix_lTo1I

Skip to aroud 33-34 seconds to listen to sound clip.
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#7 Sep 26 2009 at 6:11 PM Rating: Decent
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British accent.
I just....didn't expect that.
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I could only imagine cute lalafell's cheering with Japanese voices.
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It has little to do with synchronization. The Japanese voice actors are just more professional when it comes to it; Its an actual job that most of the time makes real celebrities out of them, and can launch a singing career as well. You don't get that out of English voice actors. Most of the time they're treating it like it was just something to do to distract little kids.

As a personal note, I'm getting sick of Veronica Taylor.
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50% of the voices will be provided by Steven Blum.
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Pretty sure most or at least many English VA are also aspiring actors/singers. At least most of the ones I've looked into have their own webpages with professional headshots, voice demos, etc. A lot of them actually do end up getting minor parts in a variety of shows, movies, etc. I don't necessarily think they're less professional. Usually if you don't like the voice acting, it's because of casting/directing. As I understand it, dubbing studios usually have the VA knock out their lines very quickly, and it's on the director to decide when they've got a good take, and to guide the tone, emotion, etc. The VA themselves frequently don't get to watch the show or get a point of reference from the original acting (but the JP VA don't get that either).
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I really, really hope they don't give everyone british accents, i like to keep my fantasy games and mr. bean separate.
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Voice acting is an iffy issue.

If done well it will bring new dimensions and a greater atmosphere to the game. (see kingdom hearts, great voice acting that really helped 'make' that series)

If done poorly it can destroy the game in areas. (See FFX Tidus and Yuna Laughing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5FTJxfV3pc)

So who knows....

If it is voice acted, let's hope SE drives more towards its better showings in the voice acting department.

Edit: The scene is equally terrible in Japanese. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBHIgh3MEJU&NR=1
Sometimes it's best to just not voice act certain things.

But I still think the kingdom hearts voice crew could have pulled that scene off and made it good.



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If done poorly it can destroy the game in areas. (See FFX Tidus and Yuna Laughing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5FTJxfV3pc)


oh gawd. please stop using that as a example for bad voice acting it wasnt suppose to be serious or anything it was meant to be more comedic/sarcastic you have to watch to previous scenes to get it.
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Voice acting in the US has come a long way since a couple of years ago. I have no doubt that FFXIV is gonna have good voices.

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You're completely right. I understand that it was picked since it is the universally the most spoken language but my true concern was just the quality of the voice acting rather than the synchronization. But it seems that the quality would be much higher than normal since it is not based off of the expressions and story of an original video. Well, I just hope they don't make the lalafell voices sound like how shantotto sounds in dissidia english version.


Personally, I love Shantotto's English voice MUCH better than her Japanese version. Her JP version is way to shrill and sounds so annoying. She sounds more profound and much more menacing with her EN voice compared to her kiddy's voice in the JP version. If you were gonna make an argument using Dissidia's voice acting, you should have done it with Ultimecia. She is the only character who I think had a sucky VA in the English version of the game.
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#16 Sep 27 2009 at 5:43 AM Rating: Excellent
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If done poorly it can destroy the game in areas. (See FFX Tidus and Yuna Laughing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5FTJxfV3pc)


oh gawd. please stop using that as a example for bad voice acting it wasnt suppose to be serious or anything it was meant to be more comedic/sarcastic you have to watch to previous scenes to get it.


^^ this.

I'd enjoy voice acting in major CSs if its done well. Even a little standard race / town specific greeting like you get in a lot of other RPGs when you first talk is nice. Anything beyond that is far too ambitious for a game that is likely to be huge. I don't want to wait 2 extra years for voice acting on every conversation or have SE sink that kind of money into something that'll likely be done fairly poorly.
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oh gawd. please stop using that as a example for bad voice acting it wasnt suppose to be serious or anything it was meant to be more comedic/sarcastic you have to watch to previous scenes to get it.


You can sound forced without sounding fake.

But even if you don't agree with that subtle distinction, it's bad voice acting because it didn't pass the public reception test. Did it make a whole lot of people who had played the game through up until then cringe at the scene? Yup. That all it really needs to do to qualify for bad Voice Acting.
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I found most people who claim JP VAs better than NA actually can't speak a lick of Japanese to fairly distinguish, so they go on this flimsy pretext of 'emotion' that can be lost in so many other phases of translation, timing, and recording.

There's plenty of talent out there and I'm in agreement that NA voice acting in video games has improved significantly over the years. Probably one of the bigger issues games with VAs have is that they try to squeeze in too much, though. It's funny going through SFX listings and finding a character has like 20+ different grunts and it's rare they're actually reasonably rotated in use. Spellcasting chatter is much like the overly long summon animations of FF past, too. Sadly, they're still around. Don't play a game like Shining Force Neo unless you wanna hear, "Hot stuff comin' your way!" every 2 seconds.
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I found most people who claim JP VAs better than NA actually can't speak a lick of Japanese to fairly distinguish, so they go on this flimsy pretext of 'emotion' that can be lost in so many other phases of translation, timing, and recording.


Actually, that's kind of the point. When you can't understand it you can't tell how corny it is (and reading the subtitles while you listen to it isn't quite the same... it still seems more awesome when you can't immediately understand what's being said). I'm sure to Japanese speaking people listening to the games in their own language is often just as awkward so they likely switch it over to English instead.

All English dubs aren't bad (like the recent BlazBlue has an amazing VA cast for their NA audio), but considering where it's come from I think English dubs have a long way to go before they're readily accepted again.

And if it's bad, pray they add an option to mute voices without having to turn off all sounds.
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I'd like to see the voice actors develop their own regional accents for the different races, it would be tough to pull off but would give the world a unique feel.

and if you thought 10 was bad... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjvU8PrCOWk

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Just in case you were serious, nobody in the UK talks like Mr Bean.... Not even Rowan Atkinson :p

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Gr0Fa_QPNU

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#22 Sep 29 2009 at 7:53 PM Rating: Good
on the plus side, it could turn out hilariously bad:

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Wow, it's too bad that some of those VA weren't as speechless as I am now. Awful.
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The laughing scene in FFX is not an example of horrible acting, it's an example of just something that sounds incredibly weird. Here it is in Japanese:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBHIgh3MEJU

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videogames =/= anime

Personally I don't find that bad VA in a videogame doesn't ruin the experience if the scenes are short and the VA is used sparingly. There was 'voice acting' in the FFXI introduction FMV.... do you remember it? It wasn't bad was it?

IMO the only way the VA sets up to fail at all in XIV is if there's no convoluted cutscenes with annoying characters (as much as I enjoyed the game... I'm looking at your Star Ocean. If that was the last hope... then fear is literally all we have left).

Otherwise, we're good.

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My lord, look at all of the weeaboos in this thread.

Just because a voice actor is Japanese does not make him or her inherently better at voice acting in comparison to voice actors that speak another language.

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The more voice acting the better imo(naturally it has to be good otherwise they might as well skip it completely).

What I am really crossing my fingers for, when speaking of voices and stuff lol, is integrated voice chat.
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Everyone will be voiced by Text-to-Speech. Every line typed by players. Soon the world will be drowned in a constant maddening robotic chatter; and endless blather of memes and RMT ads will fill your ears. Starting areas will be a symphony of disembodied lifeless voices asking how to equip and begging for Gil. A thousand unenthused syllables will descend upon you.
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Everyone will be voiced by Text-to-Speech. Every line typed by players. Soon the world will be drowned in a constant maddening robotic chatter; and endless blather of memes and RMT ads will fill your ears. Starting areas will be a symphony of disembodied lifeless voices asking how to equip and begging for Gil. A thousand unenthused syllables will descend upon you.


This works surprisingly well for the Japanese language, however.
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The laughing scene in FFX is not an example of horrible acting, it's an example of just something that sounds incredibly weird.



I'm sorry but it is. A good actor can make even terrible dialogue sound good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmoz3a4kJ3Q&feature=related


The writing was terrible in that game, but Michael Bell, Tony Jay, Simon Templemen etc. are all excellent VAs and made it sound good anyway.

If you can't make badly written lines at least sound passable, I'm sorry but you can't act.

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I'm sorry but it is. A good actor can make even terrible dialogue sound good.


I guess this is where that weird concept known as opinion kicks in, because I was (am) rather fond of the dialogue in the Soul Reaver series! In my opinion the script was written much better than alot of other voice acted games.
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I'm sorry but it is. A good actor can make even terrible dialogue sound good.


I guess this is where that weird concept known as opinion kicks in, because I was (am) rather fond of the dialogue in the Soul Reaver series! In my opinion the script was written much better than alot of other voice acted games.


It just sounds like it is because Michael Bell can make corny dialog sound good.



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