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#1 Sep 28 2009 at 8:01 PM Rating: Decent
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I know there have been other threads of similar discussions, however I did not see nor find one dedicated to graphics cards.

Right now, I have a AMD PhenomII Quad Core 3.0ghz processor, 4GB of Corsair DDR2 speed 8500 1024mhz Ram, a Corsair 750w power supply, and a Gigabyte MA78GPM-DS2H motherboard. As you can see, I do not currently have a graphics card. My system is a new build, and I was waiting till the ATI 5800 series cards came out since they support DirectX11 which was thought (until today) to be needed.

So now that we know FFXIV will run on a DirectX9/10 card, it's time for me to get a graphics card. I -was- running a XFX GTS250 for awhile, and it ran FFXI like butter. It was a great card, however it was only 512mb of dedicated ram, and it IS just a 250. I'm wondering if I should re-buy one or if it would be enough to play FFXIV. I'm thinking of upgrading perhaps to a GTS260 with 896MB of dedicated Ram, or perhaps a GTS250 with 1GB of dedicated Ram.

I know no one knows for sure yet, but I think people should be able to make a ball part guesstimate by now. I like to think that FFXIV shouldn't be as demanding as say Crysis, so if something can play Crysis fine you will be fine. But I need more opinions on what everyone else thinks.

Also, I would like to stick with Nvidia, because the newer ATI drivers don't work well with FFXI and can cause lag issues.

What would you folks recommend?
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#2 Sep 28 2009 at 8:08 PM Rating: Good
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I know your question is still semi-ffxiv related, but you might still get better responses from the Hardware Forum
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#3 Sep 28 2009 at 8:31 PM Rating: Good
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Can't say I'm a fan of nvidia at all, but if you want to upgrade, I'd probably go with the GTX 260, which seems kind of the equivalent of a Radeon 4870. The interview mentioned that XIV would be set for higher end machines on the current market, and that's around the range you'd want to be. (Radeon 4870x2 notwithstanding.)

Your other specs seem alright.
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#4 Sep 28 2009 at 8:52 PM Rating: Good
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Kirbster wrote:
Can't say I'm a fan of nvidia at all, but if you want to upgrade, I'd probably go with the GTX 260, which seems kind of the equivalent of a Radeon 4870. The interview mentioned that XIV would be set for higher end machines on the current market, and that's around the range you'd want to be. (Radeon 4870x2 notwithstanding.)

Your other specs seem alright.


Well you have to keep in mind when they say that, they are most likely talking about pre-made machines. Most people don't build PC's, they just buy them strait up. And just a decent high end machine these days usually has a 9800 or so in it, some have the GTS250's. But we also have to keep in mind, that by today's standards the 9800 and 250 are still very good and widely used technology.

If they make it TOO high end they'll only be hurting themselves and excluding people. So they have to make it to where it will actually run well on things under GTX295's and Crossfired 4890's etc. Because most people aren't going to buy a new PC or upgrade between now and 6-12 months from now. We also know they are using DX9 which assures us even more they are keeping the consumer in mind. Try and remember this is a MMORPG, so they are trying to keep in mind play ability more than you would on a game like Crysis where it is specifically designed to be the "prettiest" most demanding game to really put your hardware to the limits.

I personally think a 9800 or GTS250 with 512MB of Ram will run FFXIV perfectly fine. But again, this is just personal speculation, and why I'm asking you guys for your opinions as well.
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#5 Sep 28 2009 at 9:05 PM Rating: Good
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EndlessJourney wrote:
I personally think a 9800 or GTS250 with 512MB of Ram will run FFXIV perfectly fine. But again, this is just personal speculation, and why I'm asking you guys for your opinions as well.


I second this. Even though SE keeps going on about how high the requirements will be I doubt they will actually be all that high. Granted, you probably wont be able to run the game on it's highest settings but you'll most likely be able to run it fine at a lower setting.

However, if you really want to upgrade you should wait for the next series of graphics cards to be released (which I think will happen by the end of the year) as simply one-upping your current card won't do you much good for a game to be released six months from now, at the least.
#6 Sep 28 2009 at 9:13 PM Rating: Good
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Yogtheterrible wrote:
I second this. Even though SE keeps going on about how high the requirements will be I doubt they will actually be all that high. Granted, you probably wont be able to run the game on it's highest settings but you'll most likely be able to run it fine at a lower setting.

However, if you really want to upgrade you should wait for the next series of graphics cards to be released (which I think will happen by the end of the year) as simply one-upping your current card won't do you much good for a game to be released six months from now, at the least.


Well, the ATI 5800's (which I still don't know if they will be using a good driver that will work with FFXI or not) just came out. They're suppose to hit store shelves in the next few weeks I hear. However the Nvidia 300 series won't be coming out till around the first of next year. My main concern is also getting into BETA, and I want to be ready for that.

Another thing is, you have to remember, when they say a "high end PC" they are talking to the general public who usually buy premade PC's. Us folks who build ours and put in really good solid components and max out performance speak a different language. I can guarantee when Square Enix says a high end PC they don't mean what a common builder would call "High end". For me personally "High end" is a GTX295 or Cross Fired 4890's. I don't think you can get these in even the best premade PC's now days.

The card I'm looking into buying right now is a PNY GTX 260 896mb-GDDR3, EVGA 260 is also an option. I'm just looking to keep it under 200 dollars, and also my case cannot fit something as big as say a EVGA 295 in it. I really liked my GTS250, I wish I knew that it could run FFXIV at high settings, and I would buy another one.

Edited, Sep 28th 2009 10:23pm by EndlessJourney
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#7 Sep 28 2009 at 9:48 PM Rating: Good
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EndlessJourney wrote:
Well, the ATI 5800's (which I still don't know if they will be using a good driver that will work with FFXI or not) just came out. They're suppose to hit store shelves in the next few weeks I hear. However the Nvidia 300 series won't be coming out till around the first of next year. My main concern is also getting into BETA, and I want to be ready for that.

Another thing is, you have to remember, when they say a "high end PC" they are talking to the general public who usually buy premade PC's. Us folks who build ours and put in really good solid components and max out performance speak a different language. I can guarantee when Square Enix says a high end PC they don't mean what a common builder would call "High end". For me personally "High end" is a GTX295 or Cross Fired 4890's. I don't think you can get these in even the best premade PC's now days.

The card I'm looking into buying right now is a PNY GTX 260 896mb-GDDR3, EVGA 260 is also an option. I'm just looking to keep it under 200 dollars, and also my case cannot fit something as big as say a EVGA 295 in it. I really liked my GTS250, I wish I knew that it could run FFXIV at high settings, and I would buy another one.


I honestly don't think upgrading from a 250 to a 260 will improve your chances of getting into beta and I'm pretty sure you wont be able to run at full settings and keep a decent fps with a 260 either. And besides, beta probably wont start until the beginning of next year anyway.

But if you truly, truly must upgrade right now the EVGA 260 is cheap for the time being due to mail in rebates. Over at newegg you can get a 260 for $159.99 or a superclocked version for $169.99.
#8 Sep 28 2009 at 9:56 PM Rating: Decent
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Yogtheterrible wrote:
EndlessJourney wrote:
Well, the ATI 5800's (which I still don't know if they will be using a good driver that will work with FFXI or not) just came out. They're suppose to hit store shelves in the next few weeks I hear. However the Nvidia 300 series won't be coming out till around the first of next year. My main concern is also getting into BETA, and I want to be ready for that.

Another thing is, you have to remember, when they say a "high end PC" they are talking to the general public who usually buy premade PC's. Us folks who build ours and put in really good solid components and max out performance speak a different language. I can guarantee when Square Enix says a high end PC they don't mean what a common builder would call "High end". For me personally "High end" is a GTX295 or Cross Fired 4890's. I don't think you can get these in even the best premade PC's now days.

The card I'm looking into buying right now is a PNY GTX 260 896mb-GDDR3, EVGA 260 is also an option. I'm just looking to keep it under 200 dollars, and also my case cannot fit something as big as say a EVGA 295 in it. I really liked my GTS250, I wish I knew that it could run FFXIV at high settings, and I would buy another one.


I honestly don't think upgrading from a 250 to a 260 will improve your chances of getting into beta and I'm pretty sure you wont be able to run at full settings and keep a decent fps with a 260 either. And besides, beta probably wont start until the beginning of next year anyway.

But if you truly, truly must upgrade right now the EVGA 260 is cheap for the time being due to mail in rebates. Over at newegg you can get a 260 for $159.99 or a superclocked version for $169.99.


Well I know the the Pny 260 will run Crysis on high settings at 30FPS, and I really doubt FFXIV will even be close to as graphically demanding as Crysis. I really do think a 250/260 will be able to run FFXIV at high settings without lag, if your processor and ram are up to date.

EVGA is a good card, but sadly they are usually a bit big. At least the 275's were. The 275 I got would barely fit into my case and blocked the SATA ports on my motherboard. That's why I was looking into another brand, some one who makes the cards a bit smaller and more managable.
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#9 Sep 28 2009 at 10:32 PM Rating: Decent
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Keep in mind Crysis will be anywhere from two and a half to three years old by the time FFXIV is released. Crysis was released around the same time as the 9800 I think so it stands to reason the next generation of graphics card would run it well.

I'm not an expert on the subject but I just think common sense dictates that it would be better to wait rather than buy a graphics card that will soon be outdated for a game that wont be released until the middle of next year at the earliest.

I don't blame you if you go ahead and buy it though...I'm so excited I would build a new computer if I had the money.

Edited, Sep 28th 2009 11:33pm by Yogtheterrible
#10 Sep 28 2009 at 11:51 PM Rating: Good
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Yogtheterrible wrote:
Keep in mind Crysis will be anywhere from two and a half to three years old by the time FFXIV is released. Crysis was released around the same time as the 9800 I think so it stands to reason the next generation of graphics card would run it well.

I'm not an expert on the subject but I just think common sense dictates that it would be better to wait rather than buy a graphics card that will soon be outdated for a game that wont be released until the middle of next year at the earliest.

I don't blame you if you go ahead and buy it though...I'm so excited I would build a new computer if I had the money.

Edited, Sep 28th 2009 11:33pm by Yogtheterrible


Well, the biggest reason is because while what you say is correct, and FFXIV will probably be released around the middle of next year, BETA will most likely be starting soon. So they have to be able to let people BETA test it on PC's that will actually run it, and I doubt you will need the top of the line cards to do so. I just want to be ready for when it happens. Another thing is I'm running off of onboard GPU right now off my motherboard, and while it runs FFXI "fine" it doesn't run it "perfect" like I know a good card would. So that's why I'm a bit antsy about it lol.
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#11 Sep 29 2009 at 8:08 PM Rating: Decent
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There's 2 versions of the 260, one with 192 stream processors and the other with 216. If you do get a 260, make sure(if you want best performance) that it has 216 stream processors. It usually will say "Core 216" or "c216" in the description. The 192sp model competes with the 4850, the 216sp model competes more with the 4870.

I know you don't want ATi, but just putting it out there what you can get for under $200.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010380048%20106792627%201067947106&name=Radeon%20HD%204890

That is the best card for the money. It competes with a nVidia 275/280/285 depending on the benchmark.

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EVGA is a good card, but sadly they are usually a bit big. At least the 275's were. The 275 I got would barely fit into my case and blocked the SATA ports on my motherboard. That's why I was looking into another brand, some one who makes the cards a bit smaller and more managable.


Most cards you find will be reference models. Meaning the card nVidia or ATi designed. PNY, EVGA, XFX, etc. just slapped their name on it and put it for sale. Aftermarket cards(cards made by the manufacturers themselves, ASUS MARS being an example) are out there but they usually are either just different heatsinks or are actually larger than the reference design. In the case of the ASUS MARS, it's a completely new design combining 2 285s in SLI onto one board. The 295 does the same but with 2 275s.

Edited, Sep 30th 2009 12:14am by valid
#12 Sep 30 2009 at 5:41 AM Rating: Decent
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You have plenty of time between now and even the beta release of 14. If you want to play the game with good settings, sure, get a $200 card and you will be fine. But if you really just want to crank the **** out of it, then save up some more money, you got plenty of time. Throw down the cash for a $400 card, and you can play with epeen graphics. With all the info gathered so far, it looks like SE is shooting for a summer release of FF13, and a fall release of 14, probably about a month or so before Christmas. Giving a generous beta test length of 6 months, you would still have til around April or May before they start.
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#13 Sep 30 2009 at 11:18 AM Rating: Decent
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Think a Nvidia GeForce 8500GT will be fine to run FFXIV?
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Think a Nvidia GeForce 8500GT will be fine to run FFXIV?


At the moment, I say maybe on low. But we won't know for sure until SE releases that information.
#15 Sep 30 2009 at 2:06 PM Rating: Decent
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Thanks, hehe guess I'll start saving my empty pop cans to buy a new graphics card in a year
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I would just wait till the Nvidia 300 series is out those will have directx 11 support even if you don't want the latest tech it will drop the price on the 200 series. If you looking for a single GPU card the 285 GTX is pretty decent. Honestly if your just buying a new card for FFXIV just wait a year till its actually closer to the games release the prices will drop maybe 100-200 dollars by then on the current cards.
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