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#1 Oct 17 2009 at 10:08 AM Rating: Default
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With a more casual game, meaning a lot more soloing, I'm afraid they may skip over bard! With less emphasis on grouping, the need for a very strong party based role is going to be minimal. I did do some soloing for xp as a bard, but it was extemely slow.

I hope they opt to make us a bit stronger standing alone vs. skipping us altogether. I believe I read something on the wikibase that mentioned singing a song, but that could be a spell or 2. I'd like some elemental based direct damage songs. Giving us an instrument straight would be kind of cool. No daggers or swords, just harps and flutes as main weapons. This seems counter-intuitive to soloing better, but it could be done!

Sorry if this seems pointless, I'm just venting fears I will not get a bard. I hope SE puts in bards. That job single handedly kept me playing for another year after I was bored with WHM and DRG.

Any other BRD love?
#2 Oct 17 2009 at 11:46 AM Rating: Good
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I agree that pure support classes may be not included in FFXIV, but that doesn't mean a bard like class wouldn't exist. Like you said, they could give Bards more capabilities to allow for soloing.

There are different ways SE could handle this. Either they could make all classes able to solo or they could just make most classes able to solo, and the casual player may not have time to level a support class (because of the additional time required to form parties).
#3 Oct 17 2009 at 3:23 PM Rating: Good
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It would be interesting if the Bard (if its included) ended up having realy low base states and was relitivly weak on its own, but its songs would have a huge attribute bonuses so It could switch around stats and maybe we could see it tanking, and DD as well as all the others classes. So the songs would be more self focused than group focused, and it would be hybrid class.
#4 Oct 17 2009 at 4:28 PM Rating: Decent
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Limsa Lominsa description -
“It has earned the name Navigator’s Veil from traveling bards who have witnessed the city’s beauty from afar.”

I personally think that if Bards are being mentioned in the very early descriptions of Eorzea, then they’ll most likely be playable.
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#5 Oct 17 2009 at 4:29 PM Rating: Good
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Well, how ever they implement it I'm hoping this time they have different melodies for each song instead of that same sound over and over and over. Gets to you after awhile playing Bard.

If you've ever heard the whole thing it isn't that bad, but after playing just the first part of it over again it gets to you.
#6 Oct 17 2009 at 7:24 PM Rating: Decent
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Minstrels in LotR had good soloing capability, the key is to not make their melee total crap. Give 'em a few buffs, a HoT (heal over time) and some low end but effective damage and they would be fine.
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#7 Oct 17 2009 at 10:53 PM Rating: Decent
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I don't know if they'll bring back Bard, but I'm pretty sure there'ss be support roles of some sort.
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#8 Oct 18 2009 at 1:56 AM Rating: Good
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Here are some quotes from recent developer interviews:

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Growth can come slowly if one focuses solely on adventuring alone. Grabbing a party and working together will help your character improve faster.


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For party play, we took a serious look at how to define a solid role for every player.


The players who want to advance as quickly as possible will probably be playing in parties. Parties made up of members with specialized roles will most likely benefit from having a dedicated supporter, like a Bard.

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The enemies can also be in parties.


Horde Lullaby anyone?
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#9 Oct 18 2009 at 4:49 PM Rating: Decent
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Well, if enemies comes in party... what can you do solo?

Anyway, also sleepga is useful as well ;-)


I love bards, they are cool. hope to see them in here as well
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#10 Oct 19 2009 at 1:51 AM Rating: Decent
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MerylStryfe wrote:
Minstrels in LotR had good soloing capability, the key is to not make their melee total crap. Give 'em a few buffs, a HoT (heal over time) and some low end but effective damage and they would be fine.


Same with Chanters in Aion. And honestly it is just like you say, the trick to not making them sing only, is to give them other things that are useful.

FFXI really give the impression of a baby MMO where you are given very few things you can do, and that is further reduced by what is worth doing. FFXIV sounds more like it will be as "advanced" as most other MMOs who let you do more than a single thing.
#11 Oct 19 2009 at 3:24 AM Rating: Decent
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Pretty sure the OP was talking about support classes not having a place in FFXIV the way they have historically had a place in FFXI and other FF titles.

Chanter in Aion, or a Minstrel in LoTR might have the same song-style theme, but are not equivalent to a FFXI bard in gameplay roles.

So yeah, OP, I too am sad to see that FFXIV might not have support-role classes like bard. It was one of those things that was pretty unique to FFXI. (And yes, many other games have classes with support abilities, but none of them have classes specifically created for the role of support.) (had to mention that before someone said that paladins in WoW are a support class, or that chanters in Aion were a support class... or whatever other ******** someone wanted to say)
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#12 Oct 19 2009 at 2:56 PM Rating: Good
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“It has earned the name Navigator’s Veil from traveling bards who have witnessed the city’s beauty from afar.”

I hope this is true, however this could just be referring to some NPCs.

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Well, how ever they implement it I'm hoping this time they have different melodies for each song instead of that same sound over and over and over.

Yes. Just yes.

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Pretty sure the OP was talking about support classes not having a place in FFXIV the way they have historically had a place in FFXI and other FF titles.

Sort of yes. In actuality I was posting regarding Bards. I want a bard. I appreciate the credit you give me by assuming I had a deeper meaning. (:

This does have a valid point that is underlying my topic though. Akirussan cited some good quotes that restored my faith that there will be bards specficially. Bards have been a key job in several FFs, so I believe that if there is going to be a support job, bard will be it.

If they do bring bards, CAN I GET MY INVENTORY SPACE BACK PLEASE?????? Please no more +individual songs. Or if you do, make me learn the ability off a weapon (a la FFIX) so I don't have to keep switching and keep 15instruments in my bags.
#14 Oct 20 2009 at 10:53 AM Rating: Good
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i sure hope it will be in game, but on the other hand I will not level it and be brd4lyfe again !!!
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#15 Oct 20 2009 at 11:33 AM Rating: Good
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I don't want to live in a world without bards ;_; Who will sing me minuet and pull delicious, exp filled hordes of lolibri to my campsite?
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#16 Oct 20 2009 at 4:24 PM Rating: Good
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Basically what you people are asking for is Corsair. I just figured I would put that out there...
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#17 Oct 20 2009 at 4:30 PM Rating: Good
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I loved being a Bard in a party and juggling 2-3 mobs so we could keep the chain going into the hundreds. Constant work because if you mess up your party could be in deep trouble. I'll be sad if there isn't a Bard like class in XIV.
#18 Oct 20 2009 at 8:21 PM Rating: Good
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The crafting classes might replace BRD and COR. If the gear durables is enough of a factor, it's possible fixing armor/weapons will be similar to buffs. That's just a guess though.

Most people that play BRD find it a very tedious job, only really good for merits. However, FFXIV is a totally different game. You won't need a BRD to party for several reasons. For starters, there is no XP quota. So mass pulling in 6 man parties isn't going to be popular any longer. I guess march could be helpful for skill ups, but that's only if the system is similar to FFXI. If you skill up based on time spent working on your weapon instead of mere luck and number of swings, BRD's will lose their appeal.

If anything, BRD's would have just as much appeal as any other support class. I can easily see WHM's becoming the best support class though. Without the XP per hour quota, BRD loses a lot of steam. No point in mass killing mobs without enough healing, especially since you will fight several at a time.
#19 Oct 21 2009 at 9:23 AM Rating: Good
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Noracalo wrote:
Well, if enemies comes in party... what can you do solo?


I think the place most party-centric games differ from solo-playable (and what SE may do to make solo work and party fast) is improve survivability. After all, if fighting normal mobs has a low risk of killing you, you can solo it. Even if it takes a long time to down.

I expect that armor will work a lot more like it has in a lot of the single-player FFs, where there's occasional class-specific armor with class-specific stats, but most classes can pick up gear with comparable defensibility. At that point, a person of any class can take the punishment, but have a time detriment of some sort:

Three Goblins vs. White Mage~!

Goblin 1 does 5 damage to White Mage 
Goblin 2 does 5 damage to White Mage 
Goblin 3 does 5 damage to White Mage 
White Mage does 5 damage to Goblin 1

- (Repeat this about 20 times, with the occasional self-heal.)
Goblin 1 dies! 
Goblin 2 does 5 damage to White Mage 
Goblin 3 does 5 damage to White Mage 
White Mage does 5 damage to Goblin 2 
...


Solo-friendly could be as simple as making all classes solo-survivable. Who cares how long it takes them to win as long as they don't die? That's a soloable game.

Likewise, it means that the reason a party is more effective is because the mobs die faster (2-3 times the damage per second), plus less damage per player.

Support classes: Let's say your party starts to get larger, a fighter, a spellcaster, and a healer. Your only downtime will be when your mages need to recover MP. Next addition's support role? Keep the MP of the group up.

You might have to have a group of 4 or more first, but eventually, someone needs to pull out their harp and go Bardic.
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#20Oakami, Posted: Nov 19 2011 at 10:14 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) no, no BRD love at all...
#21 Nov 20 2011 at 3:38 AM Rating: Good
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Oakami wrote:
no, no BRD love at all...

***** BRD.

Edited, Nov 19th 2011 11:15pm by Oakami


Nice necro post... >.>
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