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#1 Oct 27 2009 at 10:56 AM Rating: Excellent
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I wonder which will become dominant. Are we going to shout for a DD or a DPS to fill up the last party slot? Sure the most logic answer would be FFXI terms, but just how many old FFXI players are there hibernating in WoW and do they even remember the old style of chatting...
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I think it depends on how popular the game becomes. If the majority of the players are from FFXI with about 500,000 subscriptions FFXI terms will probably be more prevalent but if the game really takes off and gets a few million subscriptions chances are WoW terms will be used.
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What terms really differ between the games? I honestly can't think of any off of the top of my head other than those two.

Edit: Wait, I lie. I just thought of two. GG and QQ. But they're not really WoW terms as much as they are DoTA/Starcraft terms. And as someone who used to play a lot of Ballista, I've seen GG used pretty liberally in XI too, at least from the Japanese who were too lazy to actually try and type out "Congratulations" or "Good game."

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I don't know, I would guess that we would continue to use DD since that is more appropriate for this game than DPS. Since they have already stated the combat will be using "a more cerebral interface" instead of constant casting/using abilities DPS doesn't really make sense.

I hope that they retain the word "party" instead of using "group". I suppose a lot of that terminology will probably be based on what the developers use as terms though.
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I hope FFXIV carries over the same terminology used in FFXI. It took me awhile to understand all the FFXI lingo, I rather not have to learn WOW's lingo too.
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The biggest thing I miss from XI, as far as jargon goes, is the autotranslater. Such a feature should be standard issue in every MMO imo, even if it serves no purpose other than tab-autofilling to hasten sentence construction.
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I don't know, I would guess that we would continue to use DD since that is more appropriate for this game than DPS. Since they have already stated the combat will be using "a more cerebral interface" instead of constant casting/using abilities DPS doesn't really make sense.

I hope that they retain the word "party" instead of using "group". I suppose a lot of that terminology will probably be based on what the developers use as terms though.
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I hope FFXIV carries over the same terminology used in FFXI. It took me awhile to understand all the FFXI lingo, I rather not have to learn WOW's lingo too.
PS: Like I said above, the lingo really does not differ all that much.
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trying out WoW last year,I don't remember being confused by the lingo at all -- with the notable exception of obviously not knowing what the abbreviation for zones are. I thought most everything else was pretty much the same.

There's a bit more abbreviation, I suppose, but that's because of lack of auto translate -- which I think gets used the most as a shorthand way of typing phrases and placenames.
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At the very least, I hope "DD" carries over from FFXI. Calling a DD a "DPS" is like calling a car a "MPH".
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At the very least, I hope "DD" carries over from FFXI. Calling a DD a "DPS" is like calling a car a "MPH".


I know it doesn't make sense at all -_-

And some people are writing "DEEPS" now which is even worse.
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At the very least, I hope "DD" carries over from FFXI. Calling a DD a "DPS" is like calling a car a "MPH".


This, oh god this.

Can't say I'm a fan of 'toon,' either, although that wretched term is ancient.


That being said, I'm pretty confident that FFXI terms would carry over into XIV. Most of the WoW terms mostly make sense only in the context of WoW.

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Holy crap i'm going to rage so hard when people do come over and bring that DPS BS.

I have a even more intense rage for the term toon as well...

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I think its probably gonna be ffxi terms. The most likely people to initially populate this game are old ffxi players and they will bring over their ffxi terms if the game picks up more subs those people coming over will eventually adopt the terminology the initial players used.

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To be perfectly honest, I hope the game is so groundbreaking that the old terms wouldn't be able to even transition into it. But I'm hoping way too much.
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Considering, there are still quite a few fans who are gonna be saying galka, mithra, hume, elvaan, and tarutaru *cough me cough*, I would bank on the FFXI terms being predominant.
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Considering, there are still quite a few fans who are gonna be saying galka, mithra, hume, elvaan, and tarutaru *cough me cough*, I would bank on the FFXI terms being predominant.


That's actually a good point. The new names for the races don't roll off the tongue like the old ones.
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That's actually a good point. The new names for the races don't roll off the tongue like the old ones.


What are you talking about? Roegadyn rolls off the tongue like Lemmings run off a cliff. =)
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I'm playing Aion right now, and they use WoW terms and nothing but WoW terms all in it. The frustrating part is people expect you to know them. I wish there were AION terms or even MMO terms. The other thing is, on the main general channels all anyone talks about is WoW. They never even compare it to other NCsoft MMO's, it's just all about WoW. WoW, WoW, WoW. It gets sickening, honestly. Nothing against WoW or the people who play it, but there are other MMORPG's out there, and I get sick of WoW being the end-all be-all.

However, to be perfectly honest, while the FFXI community is small, we are very strong. Most FFXI people have stayed true to FFXI or are waiting for FFXIV to come out, there's not that many of them on Aion or other new MMO's. Once FFXIV comes out you're going to have an enormous amount of the FFXI population playing it. Whether they quit for it, try it out, or play both. FFXI's community is also VERY hardcore and strong willed. More than any other MMORPG.

What does this mean? FFXI terms will no doubt take over in FFXIV, and the WoW terms will be chased off pretty quickly. There might be one or two that stick around, but I doubt we will have the WoW mentality. Also from what they've said the servers will be multi-lingual again, meaning there will be the need to be proper, and use more proper spelling, and a even bigger reason to use FFXI terminology.

FFXI's community, while small, is very hardcore. FFXIV will be FFXI's new meeting ground, and I'm sure while at first you will see a lot of "WoW tards" (the non-smart WoW players, because there's plenty of smart ones) they will be chased off. Hopefully the mature WoW players will stick around, as will the FFXI community, and it should all work out in the end.

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I think that what terms will be used are up to all of you. what ever feels right to you is what you should be saying. If you want a DD in your pt then you shout for a DD if you want a DPS then you shout for a DPS.

If people from two worlds come together its only a matter of time before everyone learns the new slang from each other and they are both mix matched.
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If you set aside nicknames for classes, abilities, spells, races and locations; I can't think of anything that gets paraded around WoW that's truly native to it. The above is an amalgamation of terms from the ye olde days. Heck, there's things from MUDs (PK, Gank, Mob), Dungeons and Dragons (EXP, LoS, Crit, AoE), even non-MMO multiplayer games have a stake (QQ, Zerg)

People may be familiar with these things because they played WoW, but really, the lingo has a much deeper history.




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If you set aside nicknames for classes, abilities, spells, races and locations; I can't think of anything that gets paraded around WoW that's truly native to it. The above is an amalgamation of terms from the ye olde days. Heck, there's things from MUDs (PK, Gank, Mob), Dungeons and Dragons (EXP, LoS, Crit, AoE), even non-MMO multiplayer games have a stake (QQ, Zerg)

People may be familiar with these things because they played WoW, but really, the lingo has a much deeper history.


I'm not saying they were all created on WoW. I'm just saying it's general WoW terminology that everyone from WoW takes to other MMO's which they end up adopting. WoW is what made most of those, and some unmentioned as popular as they became, although you can trace their roots to everquest and beyond. But I want to see a game that sticks to it's roots, and creates it's own new terms.

I'm fairly sure FFXIV will adopt terms from FFXI since it is the next Final Fantasy MMO, and we have such a tight nit community. Although as I said, you might see a few things more often like "PUG" or "CC". I'm just pretty sure we'll see all the "lf" "ur" and things of that like chased off.
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Hopefully the mature WoW players will stick around, as will the FFXI community, and it should all work out in the end.


Mature (i.e. smart) WoW players would look at the bad publicity SE has garnered in the past two years, the hundreds of word of mouth lashings of the company and their customer service (notably GM policy and lack of power), as well as the inability to directly communicate with the development team and get feedback.

In short, they'll stay with WoW and enjoy that or wait until another game where they get a developer that realizes communication is paramount to success and that gameplay and graphics don't mean anything if there's ******** customer service. Providing a game to play is a very small part of your clientele; it's what happens when something goes wrong that proves if you're actually in it for the long haul as something worthwhile to invest in -- and Square-Enix has proven to me through the past six years that they're not.

Does this mean I'm knocking FFXIV? No. Honestly, I want it to succeed, because that'll force other developers, including Blizzard, to step their game up to maintain competition. But, what I've seen of the alpha so far, and their comments, just speak more about what they *haven't* learned from FFXI than what they have.

And that's really disheartening.

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I'm not saying they were all created on WoW. I'm just saying it's general WoW terminology that everyone from WoW takes to other MMO's which they end up adopting. WoW is what made most of those, and some unmentioned as popular as they became, although you can trace their roots to everquest and beyond. But I want to see a game that sticks to it's roots, and creates it's own new terms.

I'm fairly sure FFXIV will adopt terms from FFXI since it is the next Final Fantasy MMO, and we have such a tight nit community. Although as I said, you might see a few things more often like "PUG" or "CC". I'm just pretty sure we'll see all the "lf" "ur" and things of that like chased off.


FFXI was my first MMO, WoW my second. Of that list, QQ and PvP/PvE were the only two that I had never heard of in FFXI. And considering "lf" and "ur" were just as dominate when I started with FFXI on NA launch as they are in WoW, I seriously doubt those terms are going anywhere as they've existed ever since the internet became mainstream.

You give your "tight knit community" too much credit. You're not different than any other MMO in terms of abbreviations and terms; you just like to *believe* you are.

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If SE does what it intends too, and appeal and draw in FFXI fans first, I would bet on them making up a large enough piece of the original base population to where most applicable terms will be brought from the FFXI community.
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Hopefully the mature WoW players will stick around, as will the FFXI community, and it should all work out in the end.


Mature (i.e. smart) WoW players would look at the bad publicity SE has garnered in the past two years, the hundreds of word of mouth lashings of the company and their customer service (notably GM policy and lack of power), as well as the inability to directly communicate with the development team and get feedback.

In short, they'll stay with WoW and enjoy that or wait until another game where they get a developer that realizes communication is paramount to success and that gameplay and graphics don't mean anything if there's ******** customer service. Providing a game to play is a very small part of your clientele; it's what happens when something goes wrong that proves if you're actually in it for the long haul as something worthwhile to invest in -- and Square-Enix has proven to me through the past six years that they're not.

Does this mean I'm knocking FFXIV? No. Honestly, I want it to succeed, because that'll force other developers, including Blizzard, to step their game up to maintain competition. But, what I've seen of the alpha so far, and their comments, just speak more about what they *haven't* learned from FFXI than what they have.

And that's really disheartening.

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I'm not saying they were all created on WoW. I'm just saying it's general WoW terminology that everyone from WoW takes to other MMO's which they end up adopting. WoW is what made most of those, and some unmentioned as popular as they became, although you can trace their roots to everquest and beyond. But I want to see a game that sticks to it's roots, and creates it's own new terms.

I'm fairly sure FFXIV will adopt terms from FFXI since it is the next Final Fantasy MMO, and we have such a tight nit community. Although as I said, you might see a few things more often like "PUG" or "CC". I'm just pretty sure we'll see all the "lf" "ur" and things of that like chased off.


FFXI was my first MMO, WoW my second. Of that list, QQ and PvP/PvE were the only two that I had never heard of in FFXI. And considering "lf" and "ur" were just as dominate when I started with FFXI on NA launch as they are in WoW, I seriously doubt those terms are going anywhere as they've existed ever since the internet became mainstream.

You give your "tight knit community" too much credit. You're not different than any other MMO in terms of abbreviations and terms; you just like to *believe* you are.

Edited, Oct 28th 2009 3:48am by StrijderVechter


Actually you ARE knocking SE. It sounds like you have a bad case of the butthurt and you're trying to mask it over unbiasedly. It's not working.

I agree, SE's customer service has been lacking in several departments, however it seems as of late they have corrected a lot of issues and with each passing day they tend to listen to the community a bit more. They do indeed do a lot of foolish things, but you need to take a step back and look at other MMO companies as well. Each one falls short in one department or another. It's another one of those cases of "So and so's parents are better than So and So's parents". The grass really isn't greener on the other side, it's just different.

And also, it seems with each thing they talk about regarding FFXIV they are listening to the community more and more, even more so than in current FFXI development. I'm not sure what more they could be doing right when it comes to FFXIV. I think the only complaint people have had so far is the races or lack their of (Male Miqo'Te).

All the systems they talk about implementing, everything from Solo play to Guild leves shows exactly what they have learned from their mistakes in FFXI, and what they plan to do to correct it and make things better, and more properly designed and implemented. Just about every single thing they talk about with FFXIV follows those guide lines, so I have no idea what you're talking about in that regard.

Saying the "smart WoW people" will stay on WoW and wait for a better game more or less just shows your personal bias and opinion. I've got 4-5 good friends who quit FFXI for WoW, are very intelligent, and are anticipating FFXIV like nothing else, with people they know from WoW as well. It's situational honestly, but I'm saying in the end the smart one's are much more likely to stick around with a MMO like FFXIV and get accustomed to Final Fantasy MMO etiquette than your average 14 year old WoW tard.

Also, there was never the term "lf" in FFXI unless you saw some one slip it past you in the dunes one day right after release. Keep in mind also WoW came out a good while after FFXI. There was also never terms like "Gank" "LoS" "HOT" "Corpse" "Rez" and "Pat" in FFXI.

The "ur" thing might have been around a short while at the start, but you say that right now in FFXI and watch people's reactions/opinions. It happens every once in awhile, but it's pretty much a way to get auto-tagged as a "noob".

All in all in "some other MMO's" it's pretty much common place to abbreviate just about everything. People use "wat" as actual speech, while in FFXI that'd be viewed as joking or a un-serious kind of attitude. The improper spelling and abbreviations on just about everything has not nor ever did make it's way into FFXI. Sure people abbreviate some things, and not everyone can spell perfectly, but not to such a drastic extent, and people actually try to watch their spelling and grammar to a extent slightly beyond what most people would view as as a joke or something /b/ tards would make fun of. That's not "belief" either buddy, it's the truth.

And for the record I've been playing since about 1-2 weeks after FFXI was released in North America.

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I played FFXI for 5 years and WoW for 2 years.

WTF is 'ur'? Is that an abbreviation for 'you're', which is an abbreviation for 'you are'?

If it is, then ****.. I wouldn't take that person seriously in either game.

I know 'kiddies' who played FFXI, and I know 'kiddies' who play WoW. I just don't give a crap about them in either game. The way you communicate is almost the only thing I can get to know about you in an MMO. If you can't communicate in a way I take seriously, then I will not take you seriously. (Exceptions can be made for BaconMage).
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WTF is 'ur'? Is that an abbreviation for 'you're', which is an abbreviation for 'you are'?

If it is, then ****.. I wouldn't take that person seriously in either game.

I know 'kiddies' who played FFXI, and I know 'kiddies' who play WoW. I just don't give a crap about them in either game. The way you communicate is almost the only thing I can get to know about you in an MMO. If you can't communicate in a way I take seriously, then I will not take you seriously. (Exceptions can be made for BaconMage).


Right. Now imagine a entire server/region/area where all the people are talking like that. The common language is "wat r u doin" and "idk lf tg ct ymca". The funny thing is they even miss spell the abbreviations a lot of times to, and some times they correct themselves, some times they don't. It's honestly a joke.

Now once again don't get me wrong, which I know some of you will. There are plenty of intelligent people in those MMO's to have fun, it's just the "common ground" in those games is speech and grammar like that. There are so many abbreviations and miss spelled words that when I play them I honest to god don't understand a lot of what is going on, and have even messed up raids because I couldn't understand what people were saying. You watch conversations go on and it's the kind of things people make fun of in FFXI.

I just don't want to see this as a common ground in FFXIV. It's what separated FFXI from most MMO's, and being as this is the next installment in the Final Fantasy MMO universe, where the community will most likely stick closer together than in other MMO's and keep the common grounds already in place, especially with multi-lingual servers being used again, I can just see more proper behavior in FFXIV.

Again, I'm not saying there aren't intelligent people in the other MMO's and that there aren't plenty of them, I'm just talking about the majorities and what is most commonly seen generally. I will also say as long as you find a good group of intelligent like minded individuals anywhere in any MMO you'll do just fine.

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I hate the term pug. It makes me so mad! People will say awful things like "I hate this pug" or "This pug sucks" and then go on to talk about how they will never have a pug again.

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"HAY, WE NEED SOME DAMAGE PER SECONDS TO JOIN OUR RUN!"

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I hate pugs. And I'm not talking about the game term.

Anyway, the term dps always made sense to me as I never saw it as a term refering to a person but to damage. When someone says we need more DPS I think "We need more damage per second". At times that means you need to do more dps or you need more classes that do high dps.

Edited, Oct 28th 2009 5:10am by Yogtheterrible
#34 Oct 28 2009 at 6:08 AM Rating: Decent
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#35 Oct 28 2009 at 8:36 AM Rating: Decent
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I hope that FFXI terms are used. It would provide me with a sense of nostalgia while exploring XIV.
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#36 Oct 28 2009 at 9:34 AM Rating: Decent
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Judging by how laid back the game is supposed to be most of us will likely have regular peeps we'd prolly put less emphasis on the things we did in ffxi. I'd expect the terms frontline, backline, healer, and support to be the main terms judging by how loose I'd expect things and how they appear.

The goals will likely be to complete a mission more than gaining EXP so we prolly won't need to worrying about the EXP/hr or damage output as much as general survival and success of the mission over-all. How we spend our time in the game will determine our terminology basiclly, and unless theres an emphasis on grinding we prolly won't need some of the usual terms used for grinding.
#37 Oct 28 2009 at 2:34 PM Rating: Decent
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I highly doubt that FFXIV is going to be any more popular with the WoW type crowd than FFXI was. They only get stiffy's when their lvl100 gets to one shot lvl10's without warning whenever they wander out of "safe" areas. All the WoW children who wanted greener pastures have gone to Aion where they are likely to stay.

Sure, there will be some, but not enough to dominate the terms used.
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#38 Oct 28 2009 at 7:40 PM Rating: Decent
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AoE, Alt, Mule, DPS, DOT, HOT, Kiting, Rez, Tank, Loot, Bots, Buff, Corpse, Crit, Crowd Control, EXP, Gank, LFG/LFM/PuG, LoS, Mob, Ninja, Pat, PK, PvP/PvE, Wipe, QQ, Zerg, Nerf.


The only ones I never heard in XI has been HOT and Pat.

Really, when I tried WoW last year, the 'lingo' was pretty much the same. I've heard people cal it PuG in XI.

Oh, and I also foresee people calling it mithra/taru/galka/elvaan/hume for a long, long time.

****, I'm calling it a mithra blm for at least a year >.>: I keep forgetting how to spell thaumaturge... and where does the apostrophe go in miqote? _._

Honestly, i think the only difference is that WoW doesn't have autotranslate so lazy typers use a preponderance of abbreviations for every little thing in the game.

If there weren't a tab+ way of typing things in XI, people would do the same thing.

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#39 Oct 29 2009 at 12:50 AM Rating: Good
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DD and DoT all the way.


DD, sure. It's a more practical abbreviation that defines the role rather than the goal.

DoT, no. Just...no.

The use of the term 'DoT' in FFXI is inaccurate. DoT, as most know, means Damage Over Time. Dia is a DoT. Bio is a DoT. Normal melee auto-attacks are not a DoT. The whole concept of a DoT is that the damage and/or length of time is pre-determined. Taken a step further, a DoT is also something that, once applied, persists regardless of where the person who applied it is relative to the mob or what they are doing.

For things like Dia and Bio, the damage may be augmented through stats and/or gear, and the duration may be affected by resistances and/or gear, but you're still starting with something that is measured...namely, the default duration of the spell.

Using the term DoT for things like melee auto-attacks is silly. Neither the damage nor the duration is in any way pre-determined. The damage is a function of weapon, stats, skill, etc. The duration is a function of time on target and length of combat. In essence, what you're explaining using DoT to refer to melee auto-attacks is...nothing.

"I did 7264 damage over 76 seconds" is silly.

To be anything worth using, you would boil it down to something that is easily comparable to other results...namely, you would boil it down to damage per second. It's a **** of a lot easier to compare damage per second than it is to say, "Okay, the samurai did 14237 damage over 128 seconds and I did 13893 damage over 111 seconds, so umm...who is capable of producing more damage?"

Or, to strip the competitive aspect from the comparison...

"With <x> weapon equipped I did 5262 damage over 45 seconds, but with <y> weapon equipped I did 8412 damage over 93 seconds."

That's your DoT in action. Damage Over Time.

And it's silly.

Break it down, create an accurate comparison, label that comparison accurately, and you've got something to work with.

DD yes. DoT as a substitute for dps, no.

Edited, Oct 28th 2009 11:52pm by AureliusSir
#40 Oct 29 2009 at 1:48 AM Rating: Decent
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Holy crap i'm going to rage so hard when people do come over and bring that DPS BS.

I have a even more intense rage for the term toon as well...


It's your ulcer/aneurysm/blood pressure. Do what you want. If you're serious about distinguishing yourself from the unwashed heathens using terms you don't approve of, you'll start off by not planning to be a dorkraging prick from day one. You are going to see people using the term 'dps' to refer to damage roles in the beginning, and whether or not that persists will be largely a function of how many backs you get up by frothing at the mouth over something so pointless and stupid. You want to win those people over to your way of thinking? Use the terms that make sense to you, be gracious about other terms you see, and let the community as a whole sort it out over time. The communities will emerge and standards will be adopted and everyone who wants to play the game and enjoy it will have an opportunity to do so.

Or, you can pretend you're not what you claim to hate and get uptight over nothing and be a part of the problem instead of part of the solution. That choice is entirely yours to make.

I played FFXI for a number of years and DD was the norm. It was what I was accustomed to and it was an accurate abbreviation that fit. When I switched to WoW, the term in common usage to describe the same role in a group was dps, and so that's what I adopted. "When in Rome..." It's entirely possible that if I end up playing FFXIV, the term 'dps' may slip in from time to time regardless of what anyone else is doing. Habit is habit. If some prissy nerd gives me grief over it, I'm just the kind of spiteful ******* that will make a point of using the term for the rest of the day just to get under their skin.

The strength of the FFXIV community will be largely based on their willingness to be inclusive and help to create something new, not to fully duplicate the FFXI community to the exclusion of anyone else who doesn't conform.
#41 Oct 29 2009 at 4:41 AM Rating: Good
Actually DoT is used exactly how you're saying it already. The 'DPS' thing. I have no idea where that stupid started. You have a tank, ok. You have your healers, and you have your... damage per seconds. wat
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#42 Oct 30 2009 at 10:03 AM Rating: Good
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Don't forget that a handful of FFXI terms and abbreviations were coined on the JP side a year before we English-speakers got it, and that's why there are some big differences between that and other MMOs like WoW and such.
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TraumaFox wrote:
Don't forget that a handful of FFXI terms and abbreviations were coined on the JP side a year before we English-speakers got it, and that's why there are some big differences between that and other MMOs like WoW and such.


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