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#1 Nov 13 2009 at 12:23 AM Rating: Decent
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So I have a dilemma. FFXIV is coming out soon... well soon in the long term of things... And after years of devotion to FFXI I am looking forward to it.

In my time in FFXI I was a Hume... I loved my hume, but I always wished I could be a taru, but never wanted to restart all my work, all the Rare/ex things, job levels, quests....

Now FFXIV is coming out... Lalafell are the "Taru" but they lack something... I cant place a finger on it. I cant tell if they are as cute as the Taru were, would they be with this more realistic look to the characters? There is very little shown of them in the previews...

The Humans, i forget the name they are, look great in everything shown... The detail is AMAZING and I look forward to see what else is in store for us... I plan to keep my same name, and part of me hopes severs have the same names so we have a greater chance of meeting old friends. But I am afraid if I reroll as a human In a years time Ill regret not being a Lalafell, but I am currently afraid that Lalafell is not going to be as cute and fun as the taru....

anyone else thinking of changing race when they start this game? Anyone going to reroll as close to their FFXI self as they can?
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I loved my FFXI character, but after playing since release with the same model to look at, it got a bit old. This time around I'm changing completely, and going Galka, as opposed to the Elvaan I had in FFXI.

I'd say choose a new race, but then again I like variety. Hope you enjoy whatever race you choose.


PS: The Lala's do look a bit creepy to me.
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Not really, no.

I find clinging to former Personas tends to spoil that new MMO smell. I think a clean slate is part of the fun of it.


I think the reason Lalafell look less cute than Tarutaru is a proportions thing. Proportions can be child-like, but they have something else to help the viewer separate them from actual children. In Gnomes and Dwarves it's Facial Hair, Huge Muscles, or Curves, which clue us into the fact that these beings may be small and stocky but they're Adults. In Tarutaru it was a bobblehead's body-type that really helped differentiate them from Elvaan children.

In an effort to fit in with the more realistic style of FFXIV, Lalafell's design has more realistic proportions. Unfortunately, that undermines what they were using to keep the concept of "child" at bay. Results may vary, but so far people seem to find the design either completely endearing or off in a way that's indescribably unwholesome.


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Personally, my choice will probably depend on animations and what type of racial benefits or gender benefits there are. I was Hume last time around and I'll probably be Hume again, but I may be swayed toward Galka since in FFXI, I seemed to fit in well with my fellow Galka. Was always good friends with a bunch of Galka.

I was always melee class as well so that may help, even more likely this time around since it doesn't seem we'll be getting subjobs but who knows. Need more information first. I'd say wait until more information from the game is available before making a final decision. That's what i'm doing. ;)
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#5 Nov 13 2009 at 1:48 AM Rating: Decent
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When I started on ps2 release. I picked hume, but always wanted to be a taru. 6 months laster, I started lvling my mule(a taru) and never looked back. Had a lot more fun has a taru. Was fun to roleplay as(no i didnt speek like them, just messed around as them. like sitting inside a chest before some1 opened it). Granted yes they weak in physical, but never stopped me from always playing melee classes. Mage was really never my thing much.

Im alrdy going to pick lalafall, and role as melee again, unless crafting is actuly a class like the 'lifestyle' kinda points at then cook/fisher/some melee class. lol
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I started as Hume mainly because I knew I would want to play mage and melee jobs. I had planned to roll Hume again in ff14 as well, however, in ff11 I made a Galka a few weeks ago so I could level BST again and have really been enjoying it.

I will probably have a few mules of races I want to play and swap if I feel the need.
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I played a galka all through FFXI. I really don't know if I'm switching. The only thing I disliked about leveling a galka was the lack of MP when it came to leveling mage jobs. I might end up going hume, maybe even mithra. I'll probably pick a race that allows me the most options without hindering my character too much.

Although if they add racial bonuses, my view may change completely.
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I can't say if they will be as "cute" cuase I never thought the taru were cute. I am sure they will be just as Pedolicous as the taru though! :P

Seriously though I had to report more tarus for sexual harrassment (against my mithra) than all the other races combined. Not all the taru players were bad people but something about them realy drew the creepy crowd. I could have done without the lalafell in XIV but i do hope the more realistic look draws less of the wrong crowd to the game.
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I'm torn as well. My first and most played character was an evlaan mnk/pld, I had a decently leveled mithra alt that had 30 on nearly every job, and my current character is a hume rdm. I have no interest in playing a Galka (well... not much interest, although the XIV models look VASTLY improved over the XI ones), and agree with the OP that the new taru models lack the "impact" if you will of the XI ones. Maybe it's because the XI models felt so unique at the time, and lalafell just looks like members of the lollipop guild to me.

So I'm not sure what route I'll end up going. I did really enjoy all my characters, and could easily see myself playing them again. It'll probably end up coming down to racial stats, as much as they're trying to make them not matter, because everything else is just so equal in my mind.
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#10 Nov 13 2009 at 11:09 AM Rating: Good
I played a Galka in FFXI, and plan on playing a Roegadyn in FFXIV. I've always liked playing the massive types; wrestlers in fighting games, for example.
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#11 Nov 13 2009 at 11:22 AM Rating: Decent
I'll be doing the Galka equivalent this time.
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I think the devs need to show us the emotes well before the game comes out.. I honestly think whoever has the best looking emotes will be my deal breaker. I.E. Taru /panic
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You forget, the Roegadyn are a "muscular race of fishermen", not miners. I will not be mining for fish. I am going to be sitting on the dock of the bay, wasting time. Smiley: grin
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You forget, the Roegadyn are a "muscular race of fishermen", not miners. I will not be mining for fish. I am going to be sitting on the dock of the bay, wasting time.


Those must be some enormous fish.
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they already have released a video of numerous emotes for all the races..i forgot where i saw it, i'll try to find it and post the link (unless someone else knows where it's at)..the emotes look pretty good though...most all the animations look pretty darn good this time around..i esp like the running and stoping...anyway, i hope they give the Elezen more magic strength lol i was a Elvaan in FFXI and would love to continue to be one, but i wanna try somethin new and go for a more magic oriented character so i might choose Hyur..i would have tried mage in FFXI but Elvaan mages are kinda pointless ( i'm probably gonna get flamed by every successful Elvaan mage in FFXI now >.> )
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http://www.gametrailers.com/video/gc-09-final-fantasy/54445

There is the video of the character animations and emotes...yeah the lallafell look creepy..and too tall lol
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I love my elvaan, the only "decision" for me is going to be "what sub-race of elvaan" which will be decided by which have the highest STR. Picking a country may be harder though :x
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I plan on being a Pugilist Roegadyn named Wildbill, which I was a Monk Galka in FFXI named Wildbill, so not too much of a change.
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#20 Nov 14 2009 at 2:22 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm undecided so far...I like the Lalafell and Roegadyn. I'm holding off my decision until more information on the game and the actual release date . Who knows S.E. might throw in a new race or make the male and female counterparts for the two gender exclusive races. Only time will tell.
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I'm going to play as Mithra. Or whatever the **** they're called.

I have a strange penchant for playing RPG's as female characters. It always seems to be a more entertaining storyline.
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I was going to make a Mithra but sorry guys i'll have to say this and ruin your overall image of them... so don't read it if you want to be a mithra.

once someone said they have a Micheal Jackson nose and I saw it, the image couldn't be undone for me XD
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I will be picking Hume again. Never had a interest in the other races maybe except Taru's but never tried it. I chose Hume because I wanted to level RDM and it was Humes that have balanced stats and RDM is the Jack of All Trades so it made sense. Hopefully character customization will be to our liking because I would really like to make a Mexican Hume (since I'm Mexican...).
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#25 Nov 15 2009 at 6:45 PM Rating: Decent
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I think I've read somewhere that choice of race won't have as big of an effect on stats this time. If that's the case I'll probably play Hyur.

If stats are noticeably effected I might go Roe but I might still play Hyur. Aesthetically, Hyur are the most pleasing for me. But I typically play physical jobs. If Roe are better tanks/DDs this time around it will be a tough choice.
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I'm gonna go Hume again, but what's funny is I never liked the Hume I picked out when I started playing FFXI 6 years ago.

I was in a hurry to log in and just kinda hurried thru the selection process and by the time I realized I really didn't like my Hume I had already been playing a week and didn't want to start over again and re-design, so I basicly spent 6 years looking at a Hume I really never liked. (I always hoped that SE would add a feature that would let you re-design your character without starting over, but they never did)

This time I am going to take a very long time deciding the look.



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I was going to make a Mithra but sorry guys i'll have to say this and ruin your overall image of them... so don't read it if you want to be a mithra.

once someone said they have a Micheal Jackson nose and I saw it, the image couldn't be undone for me XD


They lack the cat-nose and that basicly ruined them for me.

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I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
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Based on what FFXIV has shown so far in previews... If female Roegadyn aren't added to the game, I'll be going with a female Hyur.

Which was the same as what I played in FFXI. Which is rather sad; for all I loved FFXI, it was always bittersweet playing a human. I don't typically play humans, but the Mithra are slutty, and the Taru and Elvaan always looked weird to me. I'd loved to have played a Galka, but I don't wanna play a male character either.

So meh. Looks like I'll be playing ye-olde-boring-human again, unless Square has some surprises for us.
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If female Roegadyn aren't added to the game, I'll be going with a female Hyur.


THANK YOU!

Iv'e been pushing for female galka forever. People kept saying no one would play them, take that nay sayers! I fully support this!

That being said I will be rolling male Roegadyn, He will be named MatchoMan RoegadynSavage and will eat lightning, crap thunder, and **** louisiana hot sauce. His bed shall be made from the silk panties of miqo'te he has laid and his throne of the skulls of lalafell. He will sweat pure single grain whisky, because that is all he will drink. His axe so mighty it can crush a mans spirit, so sharp it can cut you just by looking at it. He won't take baths or showers, because he will be licked clean by the hyur's most beautiful women. Elezen shall shrink when they walk past him, and he will cut their long hippie hair with the mear glance of his dagger like stare. Other races women will weep knowing their men can never be like him, and their men will weep knowing it is true. For he is a Roagadyn, a man made to challenge the gods themeselves.
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People kept saying no one would play them


Generally when someone says "no one" they don't actually mean absolutely not one single person. They mean not enough people would want to play it to warrant the effort to create it. Hence, a single person wanting to play a female galka doesn't really prove your point, nor would 10, 100 or 1000 really.

However, I can see a female galka doing well if they did something similar to the draenei in WoW. The male version was big and muscular but the female version was feminine, slender. Or perhaps if you went the way of spiders and made the female bigger and hairier than the male...that would be interesting.

Edited, Nov 17th 2009 3:54pm by Yogtheterrible
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People kept saying no one would play them


Generally when someone says "no one" they don't actually mean absolutely not one single person. They mean not enough people would want to play it to warrant the effort to create it. Hence, a single person wanting to play a female galka doesn't really prove your point, nor would 10, 100 or 1000 really.

However, I can see a female galka doing well if they did something similar to the draenei in WoW. The male version was big and muscular but the female version was feminine, slender. Or perhaps if you went the way of spiders and made the female bigger and hairier than the male...that would be interesting.

I mean, since you referenced WoW... I dunno, let's grab some statistics from that game...

What female races would be likely draw a similar audience as those who would play female Galkas? I'd say, Female Dwarves, Female Tauren, and Female Orcs, all generally hold that "tougher female" design.

The dwarves and orcs are quite rare, but female taurens are surprisingly high. In fact, female taurens nowadays typically outnumber male taurens on most servers... placing them at roughly 5% of all played races/sexes... In other words, around 1/20 players... in a game that has 10 races. Now, FFXI and FFXIV only have 5 races... but ****, we could still use it for a fair guess. On the same note, we could look at the "feminine male" race, the blood elves. Which is around 8-9% of all played characters currently. Male Mithras anyone?

I don't see why similar proportions wouldn't hold true in FFXIV if Female Galkas and male Mithras were in the game. Probably around 5% of players would be female galka, and around 8-9% of players would be male mithras. In a game where if all races/sexes had equal representation, each race/*** would have 5% of the pie!

Now, I don't know about you, but that doesn't seem that far out there into the realm of not being worth it, not by a long shot

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For some comparison to FFXI? (2008 census)

7.08% played female Elvaan
7.48% played Galkas

In a game with 8 total race/class combinations. AKA 12.5% would have been an equal distribution.

It seems like male mithra and female galkas DEFINITELY not outside of the range of what is already in FFXI, since Female Elvaan and Galkas already had a lower playing population than a hypothetical "feminine male" and "tough female"

Edited, Nov 17th 2009 7:32pm by Karelyn
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Roegadyn is hawt, pretty sure I won't be taru this time around due to teletuby body.
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Karelyn wrote:
Yogtheterrible wrote:
sirhenrywalton wrote:
People kept saying no one would play them


Generally when someone says "no one" they don't actually mean absolutely not one single person. They mean not enough people would want to play it to warrant the effort to create it. Hence, a single person wanting to play a female galka doesn't really prove your point, nor would 10, 100 or 1000 really.

However, I can see a female galka doing well if they did something similar to the draenei in WoW. The male version was big and muscular but the female version was feminine, slender. Or perhaps if you went the way of spiders and made the female bigger and hairier than the male...that would be interesting.

I mean, since you referenced WoW... I dunno, let's grab some statistics from that game...

What female races would be likely draw a similar audience as those who would play female Galkas? I'd say, Female Dwarves, Female Tauren, and Female Orcs, all generally hold that "tougher female" design.

The dwarves and orcs are quite rare, but female taurens are surprisingly high. In fact, female taurens nowadays typically outnumber male taurens on most servers... placing them at roughly 5% of all played races/sexes... In other words, around 1/20 players... in a game that has 10 races. Now, FFXI and FFXIV only have 5 races... but ****, we could still use it for a fair guess. On the same note, we could look at the "feminine male" race, the blood elves. Which is around 8-9% of all played characters currently. Male Mithras anyone?

I don't see why similar proportions wouldn't hold true in FFXIV if Female Galkas and male Mithras were in the game. Probably around 5% of players would be female galka, and around 8-9% of players would be male mithras. In a game where if all races/sexes had equal representation, each race/*** would have 5% of the pie!

Now, I don't know about you, but that doesn't seem that far out there into the realm of not being worth it, not by a long shot

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For some comparison to FFXI? (2008 census)

7.08% played female Elvaan
7.48% played Galkas

In a game with 8 total race/class combinations. AKA 12.5% would have been an equal distribution.

It seems like male mithra and female galkas DEFINITELY not outside of the range of what is already in FFXI, since Female Elvaan and Galkas already had a lower playing population than a hypothetical "feminine male" and "tough female"

Edited, Nov 17th 2009 7:32pm by Karelyn


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Karelyn wrote:
Yogtheterrible wrote:
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People kept saying no one would play them


Generally when someone says "no one" they don't actually mean absolutely not one single person. They mean not enough people would want to play it to warrant the effort to create it. Hence, a single person wanting to play a female galka doesn't really prove your point, nor would 10, 100 or 1000 really.

However, I can see a female galka doing well if they did something similar to the draenei in WoW. The male version was big and muscular but the female version was feminine, slender. Or perhaps if you went the way of spiders and made the female bigger and hairier than the male...that would be interesting.

I mean, since you referenced WoW... I dunno, let's grab some statistics from that game...

What female races would be likely draw a similar audience as those who would play female Galkas? I'd say, Female Dwarves, Female Tauren, and Female Orcs, all generally hold that "tougher female" design.

The dwarves and orcs are quite rare, but female taurens are surprisingly high. In fact, female taurens nowadays typically outnumber male taurens on most servers... placing them at roughly 5% of all played races/sexes... In other words, around 1/20 players... in a game that has 10 races. Now, FFXI and FFXIV only have 5 races... but ****, we could still use it for a fair guess. On the same note, we could look at the "feminine male" race, the blood elves. Which is around 8-9% of all played characters currently. Male Mithras anyone?

I don't see why similar proportions wouldn't hold true in FFXIV if Female Galkas and male Mithras were in the game. Probably around 5% of players would be female galka, and around 8-9% of players would be male mithras. In a game where if all races/sexes had equal representation, each race/*** would have 5% of the pie!

Now, I don't know about you, but that doesn't seem that far out there into the realm of not being worth it, not by a long shot

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For some comparison to FFXI? (2008 census)

7.08% played female Elvaan
7.48% played Galkas

In a game with 8 total race/class combinations. AKA 12.5% would have been an equal distribution.

It seems like male mithra and female galkas DEFINITELY not outside of the range of what is already in FFXI, since Female Elvaan and Galkas already had a lower playing population than a hypothetical "feminine male" and "tough female"

Edited, Nov 17th 2009 7:32pm by Karelyn


Your statistical extrapolation makes no sense. I guess that's pretty much the general use of stats though, take some random data, and jam it into some form that supports your opinion.
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Your statistical extrapolation makes no sense. I guess that's pretty much the general use of stats though, take some random data, and jam it into some form that supports your opinion.



You know 85% of all stats are made up on the spot.


Reference: Some made up number I just thought of for use in this joke.
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Forfty percent of all people know that.


But really, the argument's compelling enough sans numbers. It's essentially; "Look at those people playing strong female archetypes in other games. Hey, if people like playing strong female archetypes in other games, they might like playing strong female archetypes in this game too."

Does Karelyn really need to bend over backwards to prove something so rational?


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Your statistical extrapolation makes no sense. I guess that's pretty much the general use of stats though, take some random data, and jam it into some form that supports your opinion.

You know 85% of all stats are made up on the spot.

My statistics were pulled from censuses for both games. Unfortunately, the WoW censuses round to zero decimal places.

If 5% of the WoW playerbase plays a "tough female" and around 9% play a "feminine male" character, the it isn't that much of a stretch to assume that similar numbers would play a female galka and male mithra. Especially when currently, 7.48% of the playerbase plays male galkas, and 7.08% of the playerbase plays female elvaan.

If I knew of another game which had census numbers, I could do use them. I've poked around several MMOs that I know if with varied races, but haven't been able to find one.

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The argument is compelling enough sans numbers. It's essentially; "Look at those people playing strong female archetypes in other games. Hey, if people like playing strong female archetypes in other games, they might like playing strong female archetypes in this game too."

Does Karelyn really need to bend over backwards to prove something so rational?

Thank you. Not to mention, considering how "Male Mithra and Female Galka" forum threads develop whenever they pop up, would also support similar numbers. It's a pretty heavy portion of the FFXI playerbase that wants them, and around twice as many who want male mithras as female galkas, but both in significant numbers.

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I think there are a lot of factors that lead people to play tauren females that don't apply to galka. The cow aspect is one of them. Plus the models for FFXIV are already finished and people are already used to asexual galka and think it wrong any other way.

Besides, I wasn't saying they shouldn't do it anyway. I even gave a couple ways that I think would bring more people to play female galka.
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I think there are a lot of factors that lead people to play tauren females that don't apply to galka. The cow aspect is one of them.

True.

Native American themed Minotaurs is a very unique and original idea.

I mean, there's no escaping the Tolkien/DnD archetypes of Elf, Dwarf, Halfing, Orc and Troll races. It's rare to find anything in the fantasy genre that doesn't grab from multiple of these very commonly used races. But it is refreshing when a different race is added as a plot-central race. Taurens and Galkas are just two good examples of being different in the fantasy genre successfully.
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