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#1 Nov 30 2009 at 8:47 PM Rating: Good
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Christ, we haven't gotten **** since gamescon. That little tidbit about armor is not info, and all we got at TGS was a trailer. Let's get some screen shots or something. This is ridiculous.
#2 Nov 30 2009 at 9:17 PM Rating: Excellent
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Yeah I'm dying for new info, I just find myself re-reading threads I've read before and looking over the info on the website again and again . X.x
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I understand your distress OP. I think at the very least they need to add a little bit to their site every now and then, even like they did with the new armor, or perhaps adding a new job every now and then? Anything to keep people interested. If you go too long without updating the site or releasing any new little tidbits of info, people end up losing interest. I don't know who square enix has working in their marketing department but I must say, for such a epic company the person is very terrible at their job.
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#4 Nov 30 2009 at 9:33 PM Rating: Decent
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Just replay every Final Fantasy in the mean time =P. I'm on FF3 on SNES for the moment. Hopefully by FFX some new info will be out -_-
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I've played the **** out of every final fantasy, I'm so sick of them lol. I think I'm gonna try and tackle mass effect and lost odyssey. Hopefully the beta will be in effect by then.
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This is exactly how they did it with FFXI. Weeks, months would go by & then you'd see minor stuff leaking out. But never very much. It's like they think they have this captive customer base waiting for every Final Fantasy game and don't have to tell us anything.
Heh... uh, wait... that describes us perfectly. :P
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#7 Nov 30 2009 at 10:07 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'd think they're focusing more on marketing XIII at the moment.
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I know what ya mean OP. I check everyday in hopes of something, the lost codex on jobs , monsters , or the other city-states.... Come on S.E! Put out some more info for the love of moogles already!

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#9 Nov 30 2009 at 11:17 PM Rating: Decent
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Guess they may start giving out more info after FFXIII is released.
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Guess they may start giving out more info after FFXIII is released.


Exactly. After December 17th I believe we'll be getting a little bit more of what we want to hear out of SE. =]
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#12 Dec 01 2009 at 12:07 AM Rating: Decent
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Yeah it's a bummer. I know a lot of people becoming more interested in other 2010 releases now because of the lack of information about FFXIV. I know SE is a Japanese company and they have a big player base there yadayadayada, you don't have to explain that to me. SE better step up the teasers though if they want a stable international player base at launch. Money is money anyway, what's wrong with them?
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#13 Dec 01 2009 at 12:34 AM Rating: Decent
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Yeah, I'm also hoping that after FFXIII is released that they'll turn most of their attention to FFXIV marketing wise. It's painful searching the net for info, and you think you find something and then you realize the article was dated August -_-
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#14 Dec 01 2009 at 3:22 AM Rating: Good
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As much as I want the info, its best to just let it come when it does. Waiting will drive you nuts.

I occupy my thirst by playing other games. I have Dragon Age Origins to finish up, Mass Effect 2 coming in January, and then FFXIII in march. Worse comes to worse, I could always replay FFVI(best EVAR, IMO)
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after ff13 is released, the marketing will go for ff13 versus, just because they hate us XD
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I was thinking, surely with Beta coming out arguably early next year, Square-Enix will release most of the info by then right? Or at least the main info such as jobs etc..? Just a thought...
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#17 Dec 01 2009 at 7:02 PM Rating: Good
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I was thinking, surely with Beta coming out arguably early next year, Square-Enix will release most of the info by then right? Or at least the main info such as jobs etc..? Just a thought...

even if they don't, the beta players will leak everything.
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#18 Dec 01 2009 at 7:20 PM Rating: Good
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Yea that's what I mean, surely Enix would rather put out the information themselves than have it done via Beta players? Either way, not too long before we get a lot of job info etc. At least, I hope not.
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#19 Dec 01 2009 at 7:40 PM Rating: Good
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I can't beieve you guys are surprised by this.... SE does this with everything, and I do mean everything. The fact that I have to live on wiki to even play FFXI is repulsive lol. The entire game is a **** mystery unless someone has already done it. If there wasn't info online about lets say....... the CoP missions. It would probably take a friggen year to complete due to the fact that your running around to every zone talking to every NPC, checking every single ??? just to see if it will further your progress....

They will probably give us little tidbits here and there during future events, but don't hold your breath.
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#20 Dec 01 2009 at 10:27 PM Rating: Good
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Yea that's what I mean, surely Enix would rather put out the information themselves than have it done via Beta players? Either way, not too long before we get a lot of job info etc. At least, I hope not.


I'm sure they would, but a lot of the details themselves will probably get released by the beta players. SE will release job descriptions, maybe some abilities, while the players themselves will probably give us the details about each little thing.
#21 Dec 02 2009 at 1:11 AM Rating: Good
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I feel like I have to do like Cartman and hibernate myself until this game is released. Give us the Beta! Do something! Please?
#22 Dec 02 2009 at 2:00 AM Rating: Excellent
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I feel like I have to do like Cartman and hibernate myself until this game is released. Give us the Beta! Do something! Please?
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#23 Dec 02 2009 at 6:22 AM Rating: Good
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We get a site update every month. It's kind of an exaggeration when some of you say that you've been waiting MONTHS for new information. In fact, I think a new site update every month is actually BETTER than the wait you'd get in regard to information on their other series installments.

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#24 Dec 02 2009 at 10:18 AM Rating: Excellent
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They seem to be on a monthly update schedule to coincide with the release of Famitsu. I wouldn't mind if they were big updates, but since Gamescon they've been anything but.

I got curious and looked over some of the info on the new Star Wars MMO. It looks like they've been doing regular info dumps every two weeks, and by now they have details on every major location and every class in the game. That game is probably coming out later than FFXIV, too.

Anyway, I have nothing to contribute but additional ********* I hope you're right that we'll see more after XIII's JP release. It would make sense.
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It would probably take a friggen year to complete due to the fact that your running around to every zone talking to every NPC, checking every single ??? just to see if it will further your progress....


So chilly.
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#26 Dec 02 2009 at 7:39 PM Rating: Good
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I can't beieve you guys are surprised by this.... SE does this with everything, and I do mean everything. The fact that I have to live on wiki to even play FFXI is repulsive lol. The entire game is a **** mystery unless someone has already done it. If there wasn't info online about lets say....... the CoP missions. It would probably take a friggen year to complete due to the fact that your running around to every zone talking to every NPC, checking every single ??? just to see if it will further your progress....

They will probably give us little tidbits here and there during future events, but don't hold your breath.


Good point. I have always wondered how long it took the first people to figure missions out.

That Star Wars Online comment really annoys me. By the amount of info they get in that game, you would think it was coming in a month or something.
#27 Dec 02 2009 at 8:01 PM Rating: Good
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The reason we havn't gotten as much is a mixture of them working more on FFXIII marketing, and the fact that they may just not be ready to show more stuff yet. MMORPGs are a work in progress and till they can do focused testing, they may be reluctant to show off info knowing its a work in progress. Notice how all the info we have gotten so far are generalizations of the systems and nothing in depth? Yeah we won't know much about that stuff till Beta testing guarenteed. Im actually hopeful for some new info next week, its about time for their monthly update.
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It would probably take a friggen year to complete due to the fact that your running around to every zone talking to every NPC, checking every single ??? just to see if it will further your progress....


So chilly.


Worst wannabe meme ever...

But yea expect SE to give long silence treatments, this did this a good amount in FFXI and like to think everything is ok with there game.
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#29 Dec 03 2009 at 9:55 AM Rating: Decent
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Didn't one of the smash brothers releases have new screenshots uploaded daily on its website? If SE could drip feed us like that we wouldn't being going so **** stir crazy.
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#30 Dec 03 2009 at 9:27 PM Rating: Decent
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My prediction would be for some more job info next week - perhaps wishful thinking? Hopefully shed some light on the 'Disciples of Magic'...can't wait!
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My prediction would be for some more job info next week - perhaps wishful thinking? Hopefully shed some light on the 'Disciples of Magic'...can't wait!


I'm not much on the magic myself...I'm waiting for more info on the lancer and marauder classes.
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#32 Dec 03 2009 at 11:54 PM Rating: Good
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My prediction would be for some more job info next week - perhaps wishful thinking? Hopefully shed some light on the 'Disciples of Magic'...can't wait!


That would be great as long as we get more info then we did last time. I'm talking about a dump similar to the August one where we learned about the races and stuff. We are long overdue for one of those. It's an MMO, they can't possibly reveal everything, no matter how much they tell us.
#33 Dec 04 2009 at 12:50 AM Rating: Good
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Yeah it's pretty hard to 'spoil' an mmo by giving out too much info. Unlike console games the excitement comes from actually doing it, not wondering whats going to happen next.
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Need...new..info......
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Yeah it's pretty hard to 'spoil' an mmo by giving out too much info.


How about giving out false info?
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^No. MMOs are fluid and constantly change. If that upsets you, perhaps you should stick to a game that isn't going to undergo any changes.
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Did anyone follow SSBB before release? I loved how they had a site that was updated like every week giving a little bit of info like a new character, stage, or item. They should do this for FFXIV but release some story tidbits, a mob, or a skill. This would build anticipation for FFXIV and keep everyone's interest.

But I could just be wanting more info ^^;
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#39 Dec 04 2009 at 10:03 PM Rating: Excellent
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Like someone else said you can't 'spoil' an MMORPG, but you can speak too soon. There are two things that lead to the downfalls of most MMORPGs: Promises/ideas broken/delayed (key concept promises, not mild/subtle changes, like a stat change or deviation on how an ability functions, but like open world turned to instanced somewhere during the development progress, or combat/crafting system not being close to what was told to be.) and horrible, horrible launches where even after 3-4 months after launch they still havn't gotten the game to function properly (which is why a good beta testing is neccesary). Once people begin paying money to play and people don't get what they thought they were paying for, they tend to have massive buyers remorse that leads to them canceling accounts very quickly. Once you have people that stick around for a year, thats where your in the clear usually for finanacial security on an MMORPG.

Thus keeping details on key concepts close to the chest until you are ready to reveal them are often best. It may suck for us who want more info, but its for the best in the long run. Less talk on what 'should' have been or 'could' have been and instead on what you are experiencing at launch thanks to keeping early concept details secret.

As for what stuff I want them to discuss next. I am hoping for more info on either the magic classes or the disciples of the land classes, and than reveal one of the other two starting regions. My hope is Gridania :O
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Perhaps SE could also only tell us about things they know will make it to the game- yeah, I'm a fan of getting hyped up over nothing too, but I'd rather have less and more accurate than more and less accurate info.
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Sorry If this question has been answered recently, but when is the next issue of Famitsu magazine due for release?
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#43 Dec 06 2009 at 1:11 AM Rating: Excellent
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So far I see SE making the same mistake they did with FFXI, and the same mistake sony made with EQ2. They're both counting on their fanbase and word of mouth to generate sales, instead of hyping the **** out of their game like they should be.

When WoW and EQ2 were in production sony relied on word of mouth and their fanbase from EQ1. Meanwhile, blizzard was hyping the **** out of WoW, and in the end, sony were shocked when WoW had about 10 times as many subscribers as EQ2 did.

People won't buy your game if they don't know about it.

If anything, FFXI left a bad taste in the casual gamers mouth, something they'll be much more apprehensive about when considering FFXIV. SE needs to let them know that they're taking a different approach, and that this is a different game than FFXI.
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So far I see SE making the same mistake they did with FFXI, and the same mistake sony made with EQ2. They're both counting on their fanbase and word of mouth to generate sales, instead of hyping the **** out of their game like they should be.


I don't think it's a mistake at all. What this'll do is make the original user base pretty small, which will ease the start of the game (stable servers, no overcrowdedness issues). From that point on, if the game is good it'll gather popularity (just like FFXI, which kept growing steadily until around 2004 when the Mammoth came out). The game doesn't necessarily benefit from having millions of subscribers at the start of it's journey.

When people don't have huge expectations coming to the game, they're less easily disappointed. I don't think EQ2 failed because SOE didn't advertise the game enough, it failed because the game sucked, as simple as it is. If FFXIV is casual like they've said, people will sooner or later realize this and give it a go.

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I think SE's just being wisely cautious.

Take a look at Warhammer Online. Mythic's PR campaign made promises to the playerbase the developers weren't capable of keeping. They had to cut four cities and four classes from their launch. Their reasons were understandable, but it meant the game hit the ground running on a bad, bad, foot.

I think I'd prefer a little bit of info I knew was true, than alot of info that might not be.

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about marketing being focused on ff13, i think it's bullsh*t.

i mean, i don't think SE is a little company with 2-3 peoples doing that. it's probably 30-50 people in japan, then maybe 5-10 people in each branch abroad.

and while i can accept that "marketing money" goes mainly for ff13 on things like tv/signs/online commercials, we're talking about info releases that can be done from their own ff14 site for free.
i don't thing they have to pay to get interviews from magazines, tv shows or gaming websites either.

so it's only that SE don't want to release infos.

they could tell us about things like :
-"class background"(that's probably made up anyway),
-some "weapons"(they can just redo some ff11 weapons and show them as "new"),
-bestiary(just some made up stuff too, like "cactuars are spiky and like sun", "opo-opo diet is panamas", etc...)
-city info ("limsa lumosa is in the forest, full of lalafells and miqo'te")
-maybe, just maybe, some system related infos(even just a sentence in an interview that isn't some "i don't know, we're thinking about that" thing)

it's just infos for us to wait, not like they have to show the whole system...

...let's just hope they get it and update more in 2010...
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What is this about FF13 marketing? I have yet to see any info about this game. A marketing team is suppose to spread the word about a game about to release to the viewers who don't check their site every single day or who don't check sites like 1up. I for one have yet to hear anything about ff13. So I wish they would either A.Release more info about FF14 or B.Release more info about FF14.

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about marketing being focused on ff13, i think it's bullsh*t.

I'm sure they've got the resources to do both, but they may want to stay on-message and keep people's attention on FFXIII when it's so close to release.

Or they might just be acting cautious, as others said. It just seems to me that they've got to get the info train underway pretty soon: the beta is due to start within the next few months, and I'm sure they'd prefer to release all the details themselves in a controlled way rather than have it leak out incoherently on message boards.
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Or else be prepared to fight talking Atheist otters...

As far as waiting, my FFXI days are over, but instead of being a lazy sack all day I've decided to do something constructive while waiting. I'm attempting to teach myself calculus and physics, both of which I enjoy. The time between MMO's is a great time to explore your hobbies and find things that you enjoy.
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I'm sure they've got the resources to do both, but they may want to stay on-message and keep people's attention on FFXIII when it's so close to release.

Or they might just be acting cautious, as others said. It just seems to me that they've got to get the info train underway pretty soon: the beta is due to start within the next few months, and I'm sure they'd prefer to release all the details themselves in a controlled way rather than have it leak out incoherently on message boards.


Yes this is exactly what I meant by "they are too busy marketing FFXIII" its not that they don't have the resources, its just counterproductive to work on marketing two separate games with equal amount when one is clearly coming out sooner. Marketing needs to make you feel like what ever game is coming out the soonest... that that game is all you should care about. Its also even more an issue with something like a numbered Final Fantasy games coming out consequetively. Not since the PS1>PS2 transition days have we gotten back to back years (and for the NA possibily same year) releases of numbered FF games. You want to sell the release that coming up soon, and than put an intense campaign on the other one after that release. Its better for SE to even try to ignore the fact that FFXIV even exists till FFXIII comes out or else FFXIV info might overshadow a soon to be released game.

To market FFXIV extensively with FFXIII coming out soon is like marketing a sequel to a movie that hasn't even been released yet. Its confusing to the consumer (who doesn't follow games in a hardcore fashion) and it looks to many others like they are getting FAR too ahead of their selves even if they really arn't.
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I'm sure they've got the resources to do both, but they may want to stay on-message and keep people's attention on FFXIII when it's so close to release.

Or they might just be acting cautious, as others said. It just seems to me that they've got to get the info train underway pretty soon: the beta is due to start within the next few months, and I'm sure they'd prefer to release all the details themselves in a controlled way rather than have it leak out incoherently on message boards.


Yes this is exactly what I meant by "they are too busy marketing FFXIII" its not that they don't have the resources, its just counterproductive to work on marketing two separate games with equal amount when one is clearly coming out sooner. Marketing needs to make you feel like what ever game is coming out the soonest... that that game is all you should care about. Its also even more an issue with something like a numbered Final Fantasy games coming out consequetively. Not since the PS1>PS2 transition days have we gotten back to back years (and for the NA possibily same year) releases of numbered FF games. You want to sell the release that coming up soon, and than put an intense campaign on the other one after that release. Its better for SE to even try to ignore the fact that FFXIV even exists till FFXIII comes out or else FFXIV info might overshadow a soon to be released game.

To market FFXIV extensively with FFXIII coming out soon is like marketing a sequel to a movie that hasn't even been released yet. Its confusing to the consumer (who doesn't follow games in a hardcore fashion) and it looks to many others like they are getting FAR too ahead of their selves even if they really arn't.


Not true actually.

I do see why they might use this excuse to leave all the "big" info out of the lime light till FFXIII is released, however little tidbits of information on the official site will just help quench the fans thirst. Something like adding new info about newer jobs, or adding the little blurbs about the other two city states. That won't take anything away from all the media and publicity FFXIII is getting. I mean, they even had a gigantic billboard on Hollywood BLVD. for awhile for FFXIII (anyone else see that?). I don't think little tidbits of information for the hardcore MMO fans is going to hurt anything, it would just be a smart move on their part.

Please take into account the difference between little bits of information and huge announcements and what not.
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