I do apologize for the lengthy post and would not waste my time just for the sake of berating a single forum member, but I firmly believe that there are many like ShadowedgeFFXI who would blindly take a stance against Pikko, the ZAM network, or SE for poor reasons. I make this post in loving defense of these forums, because this topic is indeed a sensitive one which is already sparking negative emotions for the wrong reasons, and I don't want to see it turn nasty.
I speculating that once FFXIV Beta begins, we'll find new info via word of mouth. Some of this info will be on fan sites until SE shuts them down.
No one is denying this, but you seem to be completely dodging your original post here. Let me bring it back up for you:
I personally feel if SE was more informative in general, we wouldn't have to share info via un-official channels in the first place.
You are clearly saying that it's SE's own fault their NDA will be broken because they've failed to release some arbitrary amount of information which you believe
we are entitled to. We do prod them incessantly to give us more, and all things considered, we've gotten more info about FFXIV than has ever been released about a new Final Fantasy within the same year of its original announcement. This NDA is a legally-binding agreement you accept when becoming a beta tester, yet you're treating it like some moral issue where if only SE had treated
us better we wouldn't have
to break this agreement. Please answer me this: If SE was the most benevolent company ever, deserving of only the utmost respect, would these info leaks still be inevitable?
You make it seem as if SE is allowing us to beta test out of the goodness of their heart with no ulterior motive.
Hardly, but even if SE was only spitefully giving us a beta test because they had to, that wouldn't change the fact that it's a privilege to be selected for the process, and it doesn't nullify SE's right to impose non-disclosure on its participants. Yes, they do need our help to make FFXIV successful in the same vein as WoW, but you make it seem like SE is shooting itself in the foot for not releasing enough information to satisfy you
, and that this NDA therefore deserves to be broken, even if not directly by you, because you feel entitled to that info. As an above poster pointed out quite well, the reason for the NDA is that disclosure of beta details can be just as harmful to FFXIV's success as you seem to think this holding back of game details is.
I'd love to see how the other main cities look. A screen shot from a Beta tester could do that.
A screen shot from a beta tester would also violate the NDA. I can't get over the fact that you feel so entitled to game details that you think it's okay for beta testers to do this (even though you wouldn't do it yourself, gotta save face after all), and you're justifying it by pointing out ways in which SE has failed us (including not providing enough game details, those fiends), illogically concluding that it's okay for us to fail them.
We all know SE will keep us in the dark until launch time. That's why there is a problem and everyone including the Admins know it. You make it seem that SE has established good communications with us.
This is just astonishing. SE is not and has not been keeping us in the dark about FFXIV, and as stated several times before, they are being more forthcoming about information than ever in the past. What's really off the wall is that you're equating your dissatisfaction with the amount of available FFXIV info to a complete communications breakdown along the lines of the enfeebling nerf issue. Hate to break it to you, but not getting your way is only a "problem" for you. More released info/screenshots/whathaveyou would not constitute a good relationship any more than a lack of said info constitutes a poor one.
You making me look like the bad guy because I'm speaking up about the impossible task of enforcing the NDA is ridiculous to say the least.
That you think it's impossible is a testament to SE's poor communications with us. What's above all most disturbing is how you think that Allakhazam will somehow become stale and obsolete if it doesn't pander to info-gluttons like you by breaking bonds with SE and allowing illegally leaked information to flow through the boards, just because you're too impatient to wait for more. I wouldn't dare speak for Pikko or any of the ZAM network, but our ability to communicate with SE at all, despite the relationship being a work-in-progress, is not something that should be thrown away by catering to immature fans who can't wait for all that NDA-violating media to spill out; if anything's going to improve our communications with them, it's our willingness to uphold their NDA. Oh, but if we actually had good communications with them, you wouldn't have anything to complain about, so let's just resign ourselves to allowing the breakdown to fester, because it's not like sticking to SE's policy while other sites are busy spitting in its face is going to win us any points with them, subsequently improving the chances that they will more directly provide us with game info that you so desperately seek. Frankly, people who would abandon this site because of their own selfishness should really stay out, the rest of us will do just fine without them. Edited, Dec 18th 2009 11:41am by TraumaFox