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#1 Dec 17 2009 at 1:47 AM Rating: Default
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I dunno, the thought crossed my mind. The only thing making me think otherwise is that the beta is still a development phase for the game so fixing the game's problems, etc should have a higher priority than extending the player base to include more women.
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Is there a part of the beta app that asks for gender? I haven't looked at it.
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Yeah, it was one of the first few questions.
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I doubt gender is as high a priority (or even moderately) as first getting a very wide range of system specs and hardware to test with the beta.

Edited, Dec 17th 2009 12:38am by Kirbster
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#6 Dec 17 2009 at 2:32 AM Rating: Good
Actually I do imagine the amount of women compared to men who get to beta will be higher than the ratio of women to men who sign up.


As someone who used to work in market research, when you're looking for test subjects, you need your groups to be sufficiently large~ especially ones you're more interested in, and getting more women into videogames has always been a primary question.

Afterwards when they get the results they then weight the responses to reflect actual expected demographics to model their totals, but it gives them better depth in those individual groups so that they can also split them up into sub-groups to study and still have sufficient numbers.

I bet xbox360 gamers who are going to play it on PC get over represented too, so they can analyze how many will care if it does or doesn't get ported, it's a big financial decision.

And lastly, WoW gamers. It's the biggest market, they would be silly to not be looking very closely at what the WoW enthusiasts think.



*this is also with the assumption that there's going to be a higher rate of male signups than female as that reflects the current industry even though that is still rapidly changing~ the ratio isn't as skewed as it used to be even now.

Edited, Dec 17th 2009 12:38am by digitalcraft
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I think it's just to properly address you when they email you information (-__-)
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#8 Dec 17 2009 at 4:45 AM Rating: Good
Nah trust me, even the initial signup data is going to be pie graphs and bar charts in a presentation to high-ups. Every single question they ask is for very good reason and they'll be pulling every bit of demographic data they can manage from it.
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This is testing the software, not the market. There is no reason why your gender will have anything to do with the application.
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Almost every form I fill in asks for my gender. I'm working on the assumption its for 2 reasons:
a) The generation of pretty pie charts to please managers (for managers like pretty pie charts)
b) To make sure that you're correctly addressed in emails etc
c) It's a Japanese company - ****, even I struggle with knowing if some names are male/female when seeing them just written down (especially these days with the fad for making unusual names up, how am I meant to know that Bigmacakins is a boy or girl?) - and that's WITH the same cultural frame of reference to work from.

Yes there'll be some weighting to meet particular quotas of players they want - in terms of operating system, region, etc, and they will probably want a sector of female players to get the opinions of a rarer (note: there ARE real women out there on the internet - they're just hiding from all the 14 year old male virgins) section of the market - but I don't think bewbs = automatic beta invite or anything like that.
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Women don't have higher priority for beta testing, because beta testing will be online, and there are no women online.
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lolgaxe wrote:
Women don't have higher priority for beta testing, because beta testing will be online, and there are no women online.


All those 50 year old divorcee's on dating sites would like to disagree with you.
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Likibiki wrote:

All those 50 year old divorcee's on dating sites would like to disagree with you.


Why did I just hear HOT NEW WOMEN! ring through my mind? :P
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#15 Dec 17 2009 at 9:58 AM Rating: Excellent
lolgaxe wrote:
Women don't have higher priority for beta testing, because beta testing will be online, and there are no women online.

Don't tell Pikko and Darqflame that.
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#16 Dec 17 2009 at 10:18 AM Rating: Good
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This is testing the software, not the market. There is no reason why your gender will have anything to do with the application.

I don't think it's that far-fetched. The beta isn't just to test bugs... it's to evaluate content and balance. If there's something they can change to appeal more to women, they're going to want to know about it.
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The first round of beta, they'll want users with good machines and fast Internet connections. There will probably be daily and weekly patches just to fix minor issues. The second and third rounds of testers will focus more on the audience experience.

Edited, Dec 17th 2009 9:10am by AngusX
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#19 Dec 17 2009 at 12:40 PM Rating: Default
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thanks for the advice OP, i definitely think telling SE im a girl will help my application. this isnt the first time ive lied online about my gender.
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this isnt the first time ive lied online about my gender.




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it might look a little awkward if your square enix account shows male but your beta application says female ><
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it might look a little awkward if your square enix account shows male but your beta application says female ><


what if you're ***/transsexual/hermaphrodite?!
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#23 Dec 17 2009 at 1:22 PM Rating: Decent
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it might look a little awkward if your square enix account shows male but your beta application says female ><


what if you're ***/transsexual/hermaphrodite?!


then you probably have some other issues besides figuring out which *** to put on your SE and FFXIV applications lol
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then you probably have some other issues besides figuring out which *** to put on your SE and FFXIV applications lol


If you're a homosexual, you have 'issues'?
Why don't you extrapolate.
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Poubelle wrote:
burtonsnow wrote:
then you probably have some other issues besides figuring out which *** to put on your SE and FFXIV applications lol


If you're a homosexual, you have 'issues'?
Why don't you extrapolate.


No, i was thinking strictly along the lines of hermaphrodite and trans.


Homosexuality is a touchy subject and I didn't mean to offend.

Edited, Dec 17th 2009 2:35pm by burtonsnow
#26Poubelle, Posted: Dec 17 2009 at 1:31 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I hope you know that this is the twenty-first century and people can switch from male to female and back again. Not everyone is a racist who beats up *** boys like yourself. Try to have an open mind please.
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burtonsnow wrote:
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then you probably have some other issues besides figuring out which *** to put on your SE and FFXIV applications lol


If you're a homosexual, you have 'issues'?
Why don't you extrapolate.


No, i was thinking strictly along the lines of hermaphrodite and trans.


Homosexuality is a touchy subject and I didn't mean to offend.


Transexual, the gender you identify as.

Hermaphrodite, probably the gender you identify as, though that is quite a bit more muddy. Good luck on that one.
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Poubelle wrote:
I hope you know that this is the twenty-first century and people can switch from male to female and back again. Not everyone is a racist slave owner who beats up *** boys like yourself. Try to have an open mind please.

Edited, Dec 17th 2009 2:37pm by Poubelle



Just in general it was something I should have been more careful with. Plus I only beat up gays boys if its on south park (kick a ginger day hahaha).
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Plus I only beat up gays boys if its on south park (kick a ginger day hahaha).


So now gingers are ***?
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I bet he thinks we all have asthma too.

you probably dont understand this burtonsnow but not everything you see on a cartoon show necessarily translates well into the real world, where your words can seriously hurt someone.
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#32 Dec 17 2009 at 2:20 PM Rating: Decent
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It's more likely that they'll take a combination of statistics:

Age
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System specs
Available playtime
Prior beta testing experience

Those six alone will give them the demographic groups they're looking for. I wouldn't be surprised if female gamers aren't a higher target testing group this time around though. As it's been well published now that women are increasing their game play (especially in MMOs), it would be silly of them not to include a larger percentage this time around.
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It's almost as if sarcasm is completely lost on people in this thread, perhaps I should adjust my speech accordingly when posting..
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Here's a link to a BBC article talking about the female gaming population. They cite a survey about EQ2 that found 40% of their player base was female.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7796482.stm

Seems like the female MMO population could be a bit higher than some of us are picturing. (If anyone's got any other hard data on it, I'd be interested to see)

With that in mind, I suspect FFXIV will strive to meet FFXIV's anticipated ratio of male::female in their beta. To find that, they'll probably find some combination of the ratio that they had in FFXI plus the latest survey data on the ratio. Wouldn't that be the most logical approach? Test under the conditions that you think the game will be subject to?

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Poubelle wrote:
I bet he thinks we all have asthma too.

you probably dont understand this burtonsnow but not everything you see on a cartoon show necessarily translates well into the real world, where your words can seriously hurt someone.


I do'nt know if you heard the news that some kids in high school beat up a ginger after watching that south park episode, i guess you missed the boat on current news.

http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-ginger-beating,0,999291.story

So since i seem to be the outlier, lets just turn this around and justify your actions by thinking I am a douche. Double standards work well in the real world too.




*on track*

I've actually met plenty of women playing both XI and WoW. Way more than expected, maybe around 20% as a rough estimate. The number coming from women in raids/heroics and my xi linkshell.

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I can't truly believe anything I hear online. Granted most of it, I hope anyways, is probably true, it's impossible to sort it out.

When I'm playing online, if someone says they are a girl, guy, adult, child, I go ahead and play along because I enjoy the Role Playing environment.

I also keep the online world and the real world completely separate.
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I can't truly believe anything I hear online. Granted most of it, I hope anyways, is probably true, it's impossible to sort it out.

When I'm playing online, if someone says they are a girl, guy, adult, child, I go ahead and play along because I enjoy the Role Playing environment.

I also keep the online world and the real world completely separate.


Not enough people take this approach unfortunately and the internet becomes their lifeline.
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I would hope they beta test a good population of women. Maybe it is not politically correct but men and women do not think alike. It is logical to me that we do not use the game the same, both experience wise and computer wise.
Given that, it makes good sense to make sure that the game works well for both male and female players.
As far as men and women on the game my ls is probably at least 50% women if not higher. We are also older with very few teenagers or even college students. I do not know how unusual we are but sometimes I wonder if we just dont admit it where others dont.
Given my experience on the game it only makes sense, to me, to have a serious percentage of women beta testing the game. Hopefully mature ones as well.
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I hope I get a higher priority for FFXIV Beta Test. I'm special.
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Nah trust me, even the initial signup data is going to be pie graphs and bar charts in a presentation to high-ups. Every single question they ask is for very good reason and they'll be pulling every bit of demographic data they can manage from it.


If they felt the questions were that important they would not have made so many spelling errors. Also, the very last question on the application asked what kind of gaming website do you run but gave no option for not running one at all. It was a poorly done application and looked like they tossed it together in a few minutes.

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I think that - at best - they want to see the same demographic in terms of gender back in their beta testers, but what RedGalka said is more likely:

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I think they are testing the GAME!!! not how well or differently males and females play it. Whats with the gender issue anyway? Don't think they will extend the database to include more women WTF!!! They want to test their game on our PCs to see how well it runs over all specifications...they already know how it runs on ps3 there is only one set of specs to deal with.
Last I saw selection has never been about what genitalia you are currently equipped with.

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I could see S.E wanting to get feed back from the female players as well , Me and my girl signed up on the site to get updates and she was the only one that got the email invite.
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Its closer to 90% male, 10% female who play these games. If you look at polls on major gaming sites its usually around this. But then we really don't know what criteria SE will use to pick beta testers.
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I don't see how women being in the minority user base makes them a higher priority demographic target, on the contrary... FFXIV isn't going to interest women any more than FFXI did.
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Every form online I've ever filled out that wanted to confirm my identity would ask for a name, address, Gender. I would imagine that it links this information to your account and IP address and is stored in a database for their own records. If your information is the same every time and consistent, I would imagine that your App gets tossed to the front of the list.

I know employers will sort apps by hand writing and completeness, for example. Some don't even read sloppy hand writing or incomplete applications on principle.
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I don't see how women being in the minority user base makes them a higher priority demographic target, on the contrary... FFXIV isn't going to interest women any more than FFXI did.


The industry is very much interested in appealing to the female (and casual) demographics. Just take a look at your local Gamestop store shelves, and think how much the available titles have changed in the last decade. MMOs are no different. There are few recognizable trends that are targeting female and casual demographics that have been adopted almost universally, even though they stereotypically would be contrary to, or of no interest to, the male hardcore demographic.

That being said, I don't think women would be selected for Beta over men.
I'm sure technical concerns are far more pressing.


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You know if you look farther down the line and past all the crap they ask you it all leads back to one thing...$$$$$

That's the only reason they care and it's the only reason why businesses do business.
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