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#52 Dec 30 2009 at 3:05 PM Rating: Decent
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I think everything is a factor in the beta test selection process. The broader the group and the more testers you are able to get, the better your feedback will be.

So no, women probably won't get higher priority but I do expect to see a balanced amount of people who are male vs. female, have plenty of time vs. have very little time, etc. This becomes more important if you are trying to attract new and old MMO players alike. It also makes great census information that they will probably not release to the public. Pulling names out of a hat is a really bad business practice in this day and age.

I'm sure SE is confident that it will attract FFXI players and (IMO) it would be silly not to make your beta selection process even slightly biased towards the audience you hope to attract instead of the ones you know you will if you have to.
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#53 Dec 30 2009 at 4:12 PM Rating: Decent
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sixgauge wrote:
I think everything is a factor in the beta test selection process. The broader the group and the more testers you are able to get, the better your feedback will be.

So no, women probably won't get higher priority but I do expect to see a balanced amount of people who are male vs. female, have plenty of time vs. have very little time, etc. This becomes more important if you are trying to attract new and old MMO players alike. It also makes great census information that they will probably not release to the public. Pulling names out of a hat is a really bad business practice in this day and age.



A woman would have a better chance of winning the Beta job if SE isn't doing a random method. More male gamers play these games, it's kinda obvious. I seriously wish we would have female gamers, but we don't. We have more of the gf/wife/sister joining on to play XI with their bf/husband/brother.

If 100k women sign up for Beta and 1 million males, SE wants 100k testers so they sign up 50k guys and 50k girls. The pool selection of women is less competition compared to the male pool. So despite a 50/50 split, a female tester has a better chance. By my numbers, a woman would have a 50% chance of being picked. So yeah, I expect the Beta to be balanced, but the more balanced it is, the more unbalanced it is towards male gamers.
#54 Dec 30 2009 at 5:57 PM Rating: Decent
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The female gamer population is higher than you think it is.

The Entertainment Software Association (ESA),
the de-facto governing body of videogames in the United States published some data in 2008. It states 40% of gamers are female (all forms of videogames), and 44% of online gamers are female. (includes all forms of online play) http://www.theesa.com/facts/pdfs/ESA_EF_2008.pdf

In 2008, Dmitri Williams from USC Annenberg School for Communication & Journalism got a bit more specific.
This study focused on EverquestII. Unlike many other studies this didn't rely on self-reporting completely, as SOE gave them direct data access. 20% of the players who took the survey were female. With the female gamers playing more hours, being more "hardcore", and being less likely to quit. Although many enjoyed playing with their significant others, they weren't any less a gamer for it.
http://dmitriwilliams.com/LFGpaperfinal.pdf

The NPD, a marketing research firm, released the most recent report in January of 2009.
Although the only information I can obtain is secondary reports from various media outlets, because unlike scientists, marketing research firms want you to pay for the data. The 2009 Gamer Segmentation Reports a 5% raise from 2008 to 2009 in female console gamers, for a total of 28%. And a 4% raise in females in players who play hours which the survey deems "hardcore", and who play portable games. Females comprise over 50% of the casual gamer demographic.

These numbers may seem small as a percentage, but the survey clocks in the U.S. gamer population at a whopping 170 million, or about 55% of the population.



Edited, Dec 30th 2009 7:11pm by Zemzelette
#55 Dec 30 2009 at 5:58 PM Rating: Decent
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"Hey. Maybe I'm just old fashioned, but male beta testers? Where am I, Mars? Okay, I'll just be over there in my space ship."
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#56 Dec 30 2009 at 6:58 PM Rating: Default
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I already know that females in general are playing games more. It's no shock why 95% of the owners of Wii Fit are chics. But seriously, we're talking about FFXI and FFXIV. I don't believe for a moment that any equal amount of women applied for Beta as the guys. I don't even think half of the girls applied as have guys. Look I know females are playing games more, but let's be realistic on the subject matter. If 2 females for every 10 guys who play FFXIV without piggybacking on their husband/bf/brother/cousin/father, I'll be impressed.

Your data is neat and all, but it's doesn't apply here. Those social games like Sims and the social games on Facebook and other sites are where female gamers are more on par with guys. It's not that way in FF so why pretend it is so. I'm all for more females to play FFXIV though. I just don't think it will happen, that's all.
#57 Dec 30 2009 at 7:27 PM Rating: Excellent
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Oh yes, I didn't mean to imply I thought there was a 50/50 split.
The second study shows that simply isn't the case. I just meant there's a good possibility the 10% in your example is a bit low.

Also, it's meant to show that just because women enjoy playing with their significant other, doesn't necessarily mean they're worthy of segregation and implied scorn. It really doesn't matter how they got interested in the game in the first place. Married women playing with their hubbies are just as much a gamer as the single women are.





Edited, Dec 30th 2009 8:38pm by Zemzelette
#58 Dec 30 2009 at 7:52 PM Rating: Excellent
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Stereotyping is always dangerous, let's all remember that. I'm a female gamer. I enjoy gaming with my husband. I'm much more hardcore than he is though, at least when it comes to MMOs. The multi-game guild I belong to for another MMO is filled with women, from all walks of life, and I'm not talking about a small guild either. We've got about 2000 members spanning all genres of games (and not those piddly little Facebook things), and I'd venture a guess that at least 40 to 50% of the members are female. To the best of my knowledge, no one in guild, woman or male, is playing Wii Fit. Pshh.

We're out there, and our numbers are growing. It's difficult for some of us to stand up and make ourselves known though because of the horrible stereotyping and belittling that come our way. "Oh, you just piggy-back on your husband, don't you?" "Here's a free gift of 1000 gold, now come into this back alley with me for some fun..." Crap like that. Who'd want to put up with it? Pre-concieved notions about there being no females on the internet really need to die a fiery death, along with the attitudes that come with it. If you want more female gamers to play, lose the memes.

It's probably true that not many women signed up for beta. So? That doesn't mean that there won't be a large population playing when the game goes live. That also doesn't mean that women may get preference for beta. Without knowing exactly what Squenix's criteria are, none of us can really say what they're looking for, but only speculate based on what we've experienced in the past. I'm sure we'll all know soon enough once the beta starts.
#59 Dec 30 2009 at 9:14 PM Rating: Good
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I want to apologize if I offended any women on the forum, that wasn't my intent. I don't think there is a way to explain my perspective without ******* someone off. I'm trying to be objective and use information from demographic studies. Most people know that professional wrestling is referred to as a "Male soap opera", but you can clearly see women in the seats too. I would like to see more women diversity in FFXIV, I just don't think it will happen.

Back on topic, I think it's very possible women might have preference for Beta testing. By that, I mean women would have a easier time being picked because less applicants. I don't know this to be fact or fiction, it's just an opinion.
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