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#1 Dec 20 2009 at 10:03 PM Rating: Decent
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Call the races and other objects similar by the names in ffxi?

How many people do you think are going to call the lalafel a taru, along with all the other races.

Your house a mog house.

And all the rest of the things that are similar by the old names?

I for one will always call taru a taru because i have been a taru from day 1, and thats just what they are. Along with all my big protectors the Galka.

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I will probably be one of the players referring to the FFXIV races by their FFXI counterpart's name. Lalafel? Mojito? whatever that throating clearing noise used for the new Hume name is. I'm just too set in my ways I guess.
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#3 Dec 20 2009 at 10:20 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'll probably just use the new names so I won't confuse anyone who didn't play FFXI. Less time having to explain what a tarutaru is.
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well something tells me no one will end up having to explain what a taru is because most of the people playing will be from xi.

Who knows may be it will be a new form of elitism to refer to them as such.

It will begin like this ....

"awsome thanks for joining the pt, we needed a taru here to round the pt out."
"whats a taru??"
"Well you see here son...a long time ago in a land far far away, there was a great race much like yours that saved the world..."
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We are all lazy. We will just type in the first 3 letters of the new names and let auto translate fill in the rest of the words for us. I do however see MH being used to abbreviate whatever player housing will be called because that's 2 letters... anything 3 letters or less will be FFXI name, anything more than that will be FFXIV name because of auto translate.
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#6 Dec 20 2009 at 10:52 PM Rating: Good
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TheRad wrote:
well something tells me no one will end up having to explain what a taru is because most of the people playing will be from xi.

Who knows may be it will be a new form of elitism to refer to them as such.

It will begin like this ....

"awsome thanks for joining the pt, we needed a taru here to round the pt out."
"whats a taru??"
"Well you see here son...a long time ago in a land far far away, there was a great race much like yours that saved the world..."



It will begin like this ....

Party Leader: "awsome thanks for joining the pt, we needed a taru here to round the pt out."

Player That Just Joined Party: "whats a taru??"

Rest of Party: dude....noob alert...kick him and get someone else

Party Leader: Well...*kicks new player*

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I'll call the little guys Taru until enough people /slap me haha..
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#8 Dec 20 2009 at 11:37 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm probably going to say "taru", since when I try to say "Lalafel" it comes out "falafel".

As for in-game, "taru" is easier to type.
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In game, I think I will refer to the new races by their new names, simply because not everyone who plays XIV will have played XI. Most players probably will have, but there's no reason to leave the few that didn't play FFXI scratching their heads over what in Eorzea a Tarutaru is.

However, when talking about the game IRL, I will probably refer to the new races as their old names, because I'm constantly left guessing how to pronounce the names of the new races. >.<

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I'm probably going to say "taru", since when I try to say "Lalafel" it comes out "falafel".


My old Shell used to call me Falafel (I guess Falasi was hard...) brings back memories ; ;

Those new names are hard to say (for me at least) so I guess I'll call them by the old names unless everyone else uses the new ones and force me to do the same (in time).
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Use the new names, remember, alot of people are coming into the FF mmo world, they wont have a clue what your saying.
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#12 Dec 21 2009 at 1:57 AM Rating: Decent
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Definitely going to use the new names since it's a new game and even if they resemble each other, the new races have different backgrounds than the olds

Also, it's just really unfair to players that aren't fans of FFXI. I'm really hoping FFXI players ditch some of their elitist attitude when moving to XIV, and I don't want them to bring FFXI to XIV so they can exclude new people. It will be like the JPs in FFXI's early years, except we're the bad guys excluding a certain group from a part of our parties/activities/etc.

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Definitely going to use the new names since it's a new game and even if they resemble each other, the new races have different backgrounds than the olds

Also, it's just really unfair to players that aren't fans of FFXI. I'm really hoping FFXI players ditch some of their elitist attitude when moving to XIV, and I don't want them to bring FFXI to XIV so they can exclude new people. It will be like the JPs in FFXI's early years, except we're the bad guys excluding a certain group from a part of our parties/activities/etc.

Edited, Dec 21st 2009 3:02am by Poubelle


I don't think it's that bad. Basically it's no different than calling your character a "toon"(WoW reference) which is still being done now in FFXI by some people. Some people might call their storage characters a Mule while other call it an Alt. I'll call a Hyruur(sp?) a Hume or Human and explain if someone is confused. Windurst is called Windy by most people, does the name really matter?
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being an RPer, I will use the new names.
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I'll absolutely use the new names. It might be a little frustrating at first, but I'll get used to it. I'm already trying my hardest to say Miqo'te and Roegadyn and such when I talk about XIV. Hyur is going to be the hardest for me, I think.
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Hah, agree with you Poubelle.

Players in MMO's tend to cling to any small insignificant piece of rubbish to try and make themselves look/feel better than the next guy. Fortunately FFXI (and hopefully FFXIV) attracts players that aren't too much like that. Spot how many "First Post" forum posts were in the WoW allah forums compared to the ffxi forums where it may have happened once before everyone groaned, ignored the dude and it never came back.

FF'ers have a beautiful, helpful and hilarious way of playing their MMO that the WoW crowd will never understand. I won't turn this into one of those posts though and finish up by saying that those dingleberries that exclude are probably just so insecure about their own failed Alpha Male-ness that they can't have others around to rock the boat. In short... small penises!




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#17 Dec 21 2009 at 5:13 AM Rating: Good
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Poubelle wrote:
I'm really hoping FFXI players ditch some of their elitist attitude when moving to XIV, and I don't want them to bring FFXI to XIV so they can exclude new people.


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Players in MMO's tend to cling to any small insignificant piece of rubbish to try and make themselves look/feel better than the next guy.


I don't think it would be "elitism" or "clinging" driving players to use FFXI names in FFXIV but the fact the NEW races look like the OLD races.

However I guarantee there will be elitism in FFXIV for the simple reason I've yet to play an MMO that DIDN'T have elitists.
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#18 Dec 21 2009 at 5:23 AM Rating: Decent
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I'll use the auto translator when referring to races but if there's anything that even closely resembles a http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/ffxi/images/2/2e/Beachpugil.png i will call it a beach pungi.


Edited, Dec 21st 2009 6:37am by KeeperOfTheStaff
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ChelseaSMN wrote:

Players in MMO's tend to cling to any small insignificant piece of rubbish to try and make themselves look/feel better than the next guy. Fortunately FFXI (and hopefully FFXIV) attracts players that aren't too much like that. Spot how many "First Post" forum posts were in the WoW allah forums compared to the ffxi forums where it may have happened once before everyone groaned, ignored the dude and it never came back.


I understand where you're coming from here, however I don't feel that referring to the Lalafel as Tarutaru is a big deal.

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FF'ers have a beautiful, helpful and hilarious way of playing their MMO that the WoW crowd will never understand. I won't turn this into one of those posts though and finish up by saying that those dingleberries that exclude are probably just so insecure about their own failed Alpha Male-ness that they can't have others around to rock the boat. In short... small penises!


Again while I understand where you're coming from here, FFXIV is looking to appeal to the WoW demographic. So the perception of what you consider the FF'ers won't be the same experience. SE is aware that the big money in MMORPG's revolves around the mainstream casual market..IE WoW and their clones(IE Aion).
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SE is aware that the big money in MMORPG's revolves around the mainstream casual market..IE WoW and their clones(IE Aion).


Just wanted to ask how Aion is a clone of WoW? I don't see it and am curious is all.
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Just wanted to ask how Aion is a clone of WoW? I don't see it and am curious is all.


Similar combat.

Similar character progression.

Similar UI.

Raids.

Low difficulty.
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And yet it does quite a fair amount of things differently. Maybe it is just a difference in our understanding of the word clone, meh.

EDIT: WoW clone is such a terrible description I reckon :P

Edited, Dec 21st 2009 12:52pm by Feyted
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I'd call the races by their new names if they weren't just the old races to begin with. If Square isn't going to put the effort in, neither am I.

Edited, Dec 21st 2009 8:07am by lolgaxe
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lolgaxe wrote:
I'd call the races by their new names if they weren't just the old races to begin with. If Square isn't going to put the effort in, neither am I.

Edited, Dec 21st 2009 8:07am by lolgaxe


But their different... New looks (a little) and new lore. I mean, SE did put in an effort when they created names that are a little difficult to pronounce right? XD

And to actually respond to OP, using old names for the most part, might mix and match though to suit my mood lol.
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And yet it does quite a fair amount of things differently. Maybe it is just a difference in our understanding of the word clone, meh.


Nothing much, really. It could be called WoW2,that's how significant the changes are.
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Nothing much, really. It could be called WoW2,that's how significant the changes are.


I dunno, stigma, flying combat, the need to sometimes grind against mobs instead of only questing, abyss, general environment/character design, more defined classes/roles, the general idea of grouping (while leveling or at least I found) and numerous other things.

Yeh they do have alot in common but I still don't think it is a clone. General basic MMO design yes but still different enough.
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I dunno, stigma, flying combat, the need to sometimes grind against mobs instead of only questing, abyss, general environment/character design, more defined classes/roles, the general idea of grouping (while leveling or at least I found) and numerous other things.


Bigger and better (or smaller and worse in some cases, like grinding against mobs rather than questing), but nothing that distinguishes the game from WoW. Except the art style. Not enough.

It's the basic MMO design, and why there are so many WoW clones around. Does not justify the similarities however.
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Then they all should be called (insert older MMO name here such as EQ) clone. It is not a clone for using ideas not currently present within WoW or further developing present ones.
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Can you tell me about those ideas not currently present within WOW? if this was the case then it may not be WoW clone, but if all it does is further develop present ideas then it's just a WoW2. What you said before implies that there's nothing new or innovative about the game aside from developing present ideas further.
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Can you tell me about those ideas not currently present within WOW? if this was the case then it may not be WoW clone, but if all it does is further develop present ideas then it's just a WoW2. What you said before implies that there's nothing new or innovative about the game aside from developing present ideas further.


Sorry, fell asleep :P

I have already stated a few.

Basically, flying combat is one major one which already differentiates it in the way it is done.
In depth character customization is a plus.
Also the abyss contains a feel that is not present within WoW but more like WAR with open world fortresses.
The whole class system is designed so that you perform a specific role rather than being able to, "Okay today I tank and tomorrow I'll DPS". Big difference.
Skillchain like combat.
Directional combat.
And personal stores are also used again.
Giving armour the stats of another is also very nice.
Interaction with environment (rain etc.)
A party system that is actually encouraged (I mean it is an MMO)

For me though, just the immersion you get sets it apart from WoW, and that is something I enjoy.

If further developing ideas until they are innovative/shiny/strange/new does not constitute being different, then all games are based off of one single idea of being a form of entertainment (as an extreme view that is ahaha XD)

And if you wish to call Aion a WoW clone because of what you see, then that is fine. I'll just call WoW and every game henceforth an EQ clone instead.
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And if you wish to call Aion a WoW clone because of what you see, then that is fine. I'll just call WoW and every game henceforth an EQ clone instead.


So you know, it doesn't matter if WoW is an EQ clone or not. WoW has become so universally popular even people who never played a MMORPG have heard of it. That same cannot be said of EQ. So all the credit goes to WoW, regardless of who the credit may belong to. Aion is a clone of WoW and thus attracts the demographic of WoW. It doesn't matter if there are a few subtle differences in combat such as the flying mechanics.
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Quick question. Is this the FFXIV forums or a forum where people battle it out with their e-peens about what is and what is not a WoW clone? Please stay on topic or gtfo the forum.

With that being said I hope I didnt offend anyone.(except for those I intended to)

Now back to the topic. I really don't find the names in FFXIV all that difficult to use or even say for that matter. So I'll most likely use the new ones for the sake of it being a fresh start.



Edited, Dec 21st 2009 7:26pm by TheFlyingGoat
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The MOOOON I TELL YA!


Proof is in the pudding haha!

EDIT: Figured I should clarify. The folks battling it out here are players of other MMO's that stumbled into FFXI by accident. Like alice in the rabbit hole they bumbled around for a while enjoy it but not really enjoying it.

Sorry for the interruption. Continue with the pointless "MY MMO IS BETTER" war folks.

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Even tho I didnt play ffxi for long they will always be Mithra, Galka, Elvaan, TaruTaru and Hume to me.
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#35 Dec 21 2009 at 7:03 PM Rating: Decent
The FFXIV names are really ridiculous. They're difficult to pronounce, and an effort to even say. The spelling is unfamiliar.

It's like they used one of those fantasy name generators for everything.
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#36 Dec 21 2009 at 7:21 PM Rating: Good
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Start a facebook group

'If tarutaru's eat 500,000 hot pockets then SE will change Lalafel to Tarutaru!'

I'd join~
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If I can every actually pronounce the new names then maybe I will start calling them by that lol
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long live taru.
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I know ill still use the names.

Its like they went from using English to using Italian or Spanish..

Ill definitely still be calling races and jobs/professions the same as they were in FFXI in FFXIV.
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Worse comes to worse, you could always abbreviate. Lalafell = Lala. Roegadyn(sp?) = Roeg. Etc.
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If I can every actually pronounce the new names then maybe I will start calling them by that lol


^^ yep, I'm in the same boat. I'm more scared to communicate on Vent because of how bad I'll butcher those names.
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Meh, I was more or less just bored and needed something to talk about haha. Even if it doesn't matter if it is known or not, it is still classified as a clone. And if Aion is known as an MMO of it's own accord, then it too doesn't deserve to be called a clone. I knew of Aion for it's innovation and not for be like WoW.

As for the pronunciations, I don't think they are too hard but are definitely more trouble than necessary. Then again, you type the words rather than say them in game (apart from vent etc.) I rather like Miqo'te as a name.

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Worse comes to worse, you could always abbreviate. Lalafell = Lala. Roegadyn(sp?) = Roeg. Etc.


I'm sure that's what will happen pretty often. Frankly, I'm surprised at how many people seem incapable of dealing with such a minor cosmetic change.

What's in a name, right? A rose by any other name would smell as sweet...
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