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#1 Dec 24 2009 at 9:28 PM Rating: Good
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What's your opinions on customizable appearance of armor? Like color dyes; hide display of head pieces, back pieces, etc; or possibly even setting a displayed appearance gear set even if you are battling in better/stat gear set(Lotro has this). Note: the cosmetic gear display can be checked to see what people are really fighting with for stats. So they might look like a pirate, but actually be wearing a relic gear set for battle stats.

Customizable Appearance
NO. Everyone's A+ Tunic should look the same. :13 (13.5%)
Yes, but only dyes. People should be able to wear same gear different colors.:31 (32.3%)
Yes, but only hide display of pieces. No color changes, no cosmetic costumes.:6 (6.2%)
Yes, color changes, hide displays, and full time display of cosmetic costumes would be ok.:36 (37.5%)
Undecided. Don't care either way.:10 (10.4%)
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I would not mind dyes. A little variation in color wouldn't hurt anything, except maybe some people's eyes depending on colors available.

Edited, Dec 24th 2009 10:35pm by RobbyFaces
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#2 Dec 24 2009 at 10:24 PM Rating: Decent
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I would like to see armor remain the same with one exception: Being able to visually see any upgrades done to the armor. If you embed the ex:jewel of bahamut into your ex:heavenly robes i would want to see that visually. If you have a ex:HighQuality crafted item i would like to visually see the added quality of a ex:Haubergeon +1.
#3 Dec 24 2009 at 11:19 PM Rating: Default
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I think I would like to see different versions of the armor.. maybe.

Like.. a rare one might be a different color. And some idiot that really wants the rare color would spend lots of gil just to get..the same armor, in a different color.

Idk.

I liked XI how my team would all have the same armor and color.

You can always mix it up with other stuff to make you look a little different.

IF ANYTHING, IF THEY DID HAVE IT

I would suggest certain items could get dyed. Like Headgear or headbands.. etc.
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#4 Dec 24 2009 at 11:23 PM Rating: Good
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Well, SE's already chimed in on some of this already.
I can go hunt down the links later if you want. But essentially, crafters can customize their creations. This involves dyes and something called "patterns". They've also said they'd want us to be able to see Jewelery, but don't know if they can swing it.

To me it just seems so obvious. There's something that's essentially a virtual doll. There's a variety of clothes that fit that virtual doll. I knew what to do with that formula when I was eight years old. Why the holy heck has it taken the Industry so long to connect these dots?

Sure, there's always the notion someone's going to walking around in orange and pink, sometimes just for the sake of it. But there's a point when people putting restraints on gameplay elements has less to do with fun and a combined aesthetic and more to do with some kind of twisted social reform.

Jumpers will find some other way to annoy you. Jump has nothing to do with it. People who make ridiculous avatars will find some other way to pervert the system for their own amusement. Character customization is barely a factor. People wearing obnoxiously colored clothing will find some some other way to make themselves loud. Armor Customization is the least of your concerns. And yet somehow there seems to be this pervasive notion that laying restriction upon restriction will somehow exorcise a person's inner-rascal from their hearts the moment they click play.




Edited, Dec 25th 2009 12:48am by Zemzelette
#5 Dec 25 2009 at 10:56 AM Rating: Decent
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To be realistic, all throughout history armor has been worn under cloth and not outside of it. many people had a different tunic, cape, or gambeson but may have had very similar or the same armor on. The exception, of course, is the helm.
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#6 Dec 25 2009 at 1:46 PM Rating: Good
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Everyone always claims the gear in FF11 is ugly. I fully support that claim, but it also has an air of realism about it. I can see those clothes and armours working as clothes and armour. I look at those massive shoulder pads of WoW or the shimmering mini-dresses of AION and think that while these things are pretty and aesthetically pleasing, they are not practical in the least.

As the years went on I played FF11 with the names off (and with says and shouts pretty much blocked all the time but that's another story). Over time I got to know the names of all the mobs in the game so I no longer needed to see them. People complained that every character model in FF11 looks like every other character model (bearded hume male or ponytailhead hume girl for instance) and therefore needed the names to recognise who as around them. But I could tell people apart by their gear alone. That was one of nifty things about FF11. The way we could mix and match gear and have the gear give our characters personality. Other games have characters with different widths for the bridges of their noses but their gear (even when coloured differently) all looks the same. Sets, unless they're ugly FF11 sets which are rarely ever worn as a set, are boring.

I hope they continue with their **** ugly realistic gear that is infinitely mix and matchable. But I do agree I would like to be able to dye mine hot fuschia.



Edited, Dec 25th 2009 3:52pm by Meara
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#7 Dec 25 2009 at 6:19 PM Rating: Good
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Meara wrote:

Everyone always claims the gear in FF11 is ugly. I fully support that claim, but it also has an air of realism about it. I can see those clothes and armours working as clothes and armour. I look at those massive shoulder pads of WoW or the shimmering mini-dresses of AION and think that while these things are pretty and aesthetically pleasing, they are not practical in the least.

As the years went on I played FF11 with the names off (and with says and shouts pretty much blocked all the time but that's another story). Over time I got to know the names of all the mobs in the game so I no longer needed to see them. People complained that every character model in FF11 looks like every other character model (bearded hume male or ponytailhead hume girl for instance) and therefore needed the names to recognise who as around them. But I could tell people apart by their gear alone. That was one of nifty things about FF11. The way we could mix and match gear and have the gear give our characters personality. Other games have characters with different widths for the bridges of their noses but their gear (even when coloured differently) all looks the same. Sets, unless they're ugly FF11 sets which are rarely ever worn as a set, are boring.

I hope they continue with their **** ugly realistic gear that is infinitely mix and matchable. But I do agree I would like to be able to dye mine hot fuschia.



I think XI had a mix of ugly and good looking gear, but it's all personal opinion, beauty in eye of the beholder and all. I liked pld af, gem set, seers gear, noct set, blu af (although not as good on elvaan), and the standard end game whm gear for many years (blessed set with nobles tunic).

I think the gear designs were very cool even though they are nothing like other games such as Wow. I like a lot of gear sets in WoW, but it's a different animal and the extreme gear fits the game's style.

One thing about ffxi vs. other game is the character/gear variations. In other games a player had more customizable features at creation, plus a lot more gear options to choose from at top level, making a lot less "twins" running around. In ffxi for long time lvl 75 players had many twins running around. My wife was a blonde pony tail hume girl with blessed set and nobles tunic; I ran up to wrong player many times thinking it was her when names were off (even though she was sitting a few feet away from me in the living room.)

The addition of salvage and assault has made a few more gear options available so the twin syndrome is dieing down a bit now.

You wanna talk ugly, take a look at head pieces in Lotro. Helmets in that game are 90% to ugly to look at and woot for having hide display for that slot. Although they do offer the costume display over your actual gear, so when you do find a good looking head piece you can set it be your display piece from then on.

A sample of Lotro customizations

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#8 Dec 26 2009 at 2:03 AM Rating: Default
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Personally, I like mismatched gear. I enjoyed how you could tell what every good piece of gear in FFXI was simply by looking at it. When you introduce dyes, all the gear would be the same anyway, just different ugly colors. Worst case, is if you actually let people make their own outfits, you can never account for the stupidity / cheesiness of people.
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#9 Dec 28 2009 at 2:50 PM Rating: Decent
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Too many options might lead to lag, so I'm fine with only dyes from crafting. It would give more options to be creative and stylish, both of which are extremely subjective...
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#10 Dec 28 2009 at 4:01 PM Rating: Good
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Too many options might lead to lag, so I'm fine with only dyes from crafting


I don't see this as too big of a worry for two reasons: Playstations and computers will be more powerful this time around, allowing for such complexities. Also, The biggest influence will be amount of people/mobs in one spot and how active they are (Example: in combat vs. sitting afk). Colors wont be too influential unless there are a lot of people around.
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#11 Dec 28 2009 at 6:16 PM Rating: Good
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I know they are going to include Dye's into the crafting formula. I just hope the variation of dye is limited. No one wants to see an awesome armor set in Hot Pink.
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#12 Dec 28 2009 at 7:20 PM Rating: Decent
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yeh the armor in 11 was sooooo realistic and could be used in battle. A strip of copper and your *** hanging out was great armor. A harness with your gut hanging out.. also usable.

11 had OK armor. Customization would be nice
#13 Dec 28 2009 at 7:38 PM Rating: Good
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A strip of copper and your *** hanging out was great armor. A harness with your gut hanging out.. also usable.


Subligar on female characters wasn't so bad; On males, well that's a different story. Smiley: yikes
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#14 Dec 28 2009 at 8:00 PM Rating: Decent
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As long as full sets of armour aren't the de facto standard, I think I'll be down with it. I understand having "Juggernaut Armour Of DOOOOOM" set at end game, but it gets annoying to see people wearing identical clothing pieces at lower levels, each of which was obtained with similar generic quests.

"Oh, thanks for the Gloves of Wizardry kind old man! Luckily, the person four feet to your right just gave me the Boots of Wizardry for killing 10 frogs in the swamp. AND it's so lucky that 5 of those swap frogs dropped Leggings of Wizardry! Now all I need is the Tunic of Wizardry! ...What's that elderly lady? You have a quest for me? OH, I WONDER WHAT THE PRIZE SHALL BE."
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#15 Dec 28 2009 at 8:14 PM Rating: Good
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I know they are going to include Dye's into the crafting formula. I just hope the variation of dye is limited. No one wants to see an awesome armor set in Hot Pink.


Actually, I'd love to wear a black and hot pink number.
Especially if it's awesome armor.








Edited, Dec 28th 2009 9:21pm by Zemzelette
#16 Dec 28 2009 at 9:17 PM Rating: Decent
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I think a few people are worried about eye sores running around.

A couple things to this,

1) Eye of the beholder. You only have to look at that "ugly" color for a few minutes or so, you're not forced to look at it your entire time logged in. The people that choose their colors do have to look at it all the time so if it's something they like, then more power to them. Maybe your cool colors are "ugly" to them. It's like those 300lbs girls walking Walmart with spandex and half shirts, I look the other way.

I don't think there will be many people that pick "ugly" colors just to annoy people. I think there will be enough other things to do in game than to dye your cloths to bug people. Even in wow the annoying kiddies only last a few minutes before moving on, unless people feed them with arguments.

2) The majority of people will probably pick similar colors anyway. Most likely black with silver trim if available.

3) If color changes are a feature, they will most likely be limited to standard or acceptable colors. I don't see them allowing lime green, hot pink, etc. My guess will be a standard pallet of Black, white, red, blue, green, purple, and various shades of colors like burgundy, navy, indigo, etc.

Also I think the coloring itself will probably be limited. SE has some cool details in the designs of past armors. I doubt they will let you color a tunic say... black and allow it to make every inch of the tunic black. Most likely there will be limited back ground color and limited trim color, just enough to change the color but not turn it into a solid color blob.


If coloring is added for sure, don't worry so much, SE will not let it ruin the designs they spent man hours and money on. It will most like be tasteful color shading to allow a little variation in the crowd.



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I have not seen a decent game yet that won't let you mix and match gear. Armor sets usually tend to be weaker than mix and matched. Even in wow tier sets are not always the best gear per slot, although sometimes a "set bonus" makes it worthwhile for situational stuff. So all the more reason dye coloring might be cool. That way you can mix and match and still have a somewhat matched look with coloring.





Edited, Dec 28th 2009 10:30pm by RobbyFaces
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#17 Dec 28 2009 at 10:04 PM Rating: Decent
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I love the way the new armor looks, and I think it's a great idea to have crafters make their own personal designs, as it is a fashion design and also a way of advertising business. Se thee Paladin-like characters fighting crabs in the new screenshots? They look awesome, and the mages so far look very cool as well.

That concept you mentioned of having different gear for appearance in LOTRO is a very interesting idea, but I hope they don't implement it in FFXIV. I am a believer that you should be forced to wear what you can afford, it makes up the many struggles that make MMO's so fulfilling. Where's the joy if you can run around decked in shining armor as a level 1, ya know? You're supposed to see those high levels characters and envy their equipment, thats one of the things that kept me playing FFXI; there was always one piece of equipment I had to have.

I think with the more realistic art styles SE uses only certain article of clothing with be able to be altered in color. They don't want to have a WoW looking game where people prance around in turquoise armor. I think only clothing not involving any type of metal will have the option of being altered, and the colors very faint for more realism.
#18 Dec 28 2009 at 10:27 PM Rating: Decent
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That concept you mentioned of having different gear for appearance in LOTRO is a very interesting idea, but I hope they don't implement it in FFXIV. I am a believer that you should be forced to wear what you can afford, it makes up the many struggles that make MMO's so fulfilling. Where's the joy if you can run around decked in shining armor as a level 1, ya know? You're supposed to see those high levels characters and envy their equipment, thats one of the things that kept me playing FFXI; there was always one piece of equipment I had to have.


Good point.

The way it actually works in Lotro is that you have to have it in your inventory and be able to equip it, in order to use it. Also they had a level 20 requirement before you could start using the set cosmetic display.

They do have a lot of Costume gear you can craft or get from npc's that is level 1 gear with no stats at all. Stuff like miner's backpacks, various style arrow quivers, cloaks, etc. Once you reach level 20 and are able to use cosmetic display, you go buy or craft these pieces, get it into your inventory and then equip it and save it to 1 of 3 sets of gear pages (you have 1 page for actual battle gear, and other pages for custom display). After you set it, you can dump the piece and the image is saved to you (although you need to psychically dye the piece to change its color, so after you dump it you cant change its color again unless you get another one.)

They thought out the system a bit. So you can't have level 1 mules running around with armor that looks like it came from a level 65 dungeon raid. Its more used for fun, stand around town, RPing, and to cover ugly pieces of gear you might be wearing for a while until something better comes up.


I haven't seen this myself, but it is possible... A tank battling in plate, but displaying a wedding dress. So her stats are good and appropriate, but everyone watching sees an angry dwarf female that was just left at the alter taking out frustrations on a troll. That is the downside, although in Lotro players for the most part are mature enough to change display when doing stuff like grouping and raiding, to actually look the part in battle.

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#19 Dec 28 2009 at 11:16 PM Rating: Decent
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A LOTR Wedding dress is a wholly inappropriate and thoroughly immature aesthetic choice because it's unrealistic battle attire.
But XI's underwear is A-OK?


Edited, Dec 29th 2009 12:26am by Zemzelette
#20 Dec 29 2009 at 8:01 AM Rating: Decent
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Ok I despise subligars too, every time I have to wear that republic subligar I switch out of it as soon as something half-way decent comes along... But face it your usually switching something made of metal protecting your groin for something made of cloth to protect your legs and groin. I saw that that didn't make much sense when I leveled MNK, but seeing how it was metal underwear or my legs covered... now if they made all the subligars like the beetle subligars... I could handle the form fitting legs that that has if i had to.
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