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#52 Jan 01 2010 at 10:58 PM Rating: Excellent
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As long as the guy is doing his job right in my group, I don't care how big or small his crotch is. If he's my friend, I especially don't care how big or small it is.

Yes, I'm female.
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#53 Jan 01 2010 at 11:17 PM Rating: Good
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As far as I can tell it's mostly American culture that considers it to be so taboo.


Remember, all the people that didn't quite fit in in europe jumped ship to america some few hundred years ago to live under their own principles. :D



what I don't understand is, if you don't want your child exposed to things like sexuality, why would you let them play a game that is predominantly played by young adults?

This game is sticking 2000-4000 most likely horny young adults into a single chat room with very (apparently) very anatomically correct and very well made and very beautiful character models.

If you DON'T want your kids exposed to this kind of environment, it's probably not a good game for them to play.

This game will not be made for a 13 year old. None of the final fantasy games have been made for young teens. I would say to truly understand and enjoy the full depth of the games, it would take a mature 15 year old, or your average 17 year old in the US.

That is more the target audience from what I can tell, or the younger part of the target audience. And believe it or not, such details may appeal to that audience.

I've always viewed online games as glorified chat rooms. In other words, you are in the game to socialize in a group of people who like similar things. It's wonderful in the same way that I think church is wonderful. That being said, if you don't want your child talking to a 43 year old man, Don't let them play in online multiplayer games. The focus of most games with a text box is to interact with others. Otherwise you might as well play single player games with increasingly difficult AI.

i'ma cut myself off before I get long winded. This post is already off topic to the OP and really might derail this thread back onto some sanity.
#54 Jan 01 2010 at 11:20 PM Rating: Good
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I'd argue all of the final fantasy games are marketed to young teens. I was 11 when I first played ff4 and around 14 when I played 6. Nothing in those games struck me as being for an older audience.
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#55 Jan 01 2010 at 11:28 PM Rating: Decent
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This is a game that younger audiences can play. If you want nudity or sexual themes, play a expressly mature themed game like Age of Conan, or check out some ****. This isn't the proper medium, by any stretch of the imagination. There will be interactions between 42 year olds and 13 year olds in FFXIV. Does it seem appropriate for one of them to be virtually dressed in revealing underwear?
13 year olds don't have genitalia? I'm not trying to paint you as anything. There's nothing wrong with someone having a ****** or *****, so I see no reason to hide the fact that they exist. Indeed, sexuality itself is not wrong. As far as I can tell it's mostly American culture that considers it to be so taboo.


Sorry to the OP for this sideline derail on his topic.

Hey, it might be dogmatic and arbitrary to you, but we do draw a line here in society. I never said that sexuality was wrong, but it's application is not appropriate in all circumstances.

I know it's hyperbolic, but try walking nude into an elementary school naked. Or in a thong. See what the law thinks about that. Point being that nudity/sexuality is not universally appropriate. In many situations, it's considered sexual harassment/assault. I consider a game that children play to be one of those circumstances.

On a practical level, it's simply distracting. You noted that you were shocked that people were zooming in to see the camel-toe in the photo. Really? It's provocative. It's attention-grabbing. That's the reason that SE incorporated it into the model to begin with. Not for some altruistic desire to be anatomically correct. And you can bet your *** that it'll encourage some crass behavior, and some sexual harassment.

That's why it's distasteful. And again, I didn't say it was morally wrong. I think it sends the wrong message, and I think the blatant gesture towards ********************* in an ages 13+ game is cringe-worthy.

If you disagree, that's your prerogative, and I'll drop it at this. But I'd ask that you get off your high horse if you've got anything more to say.

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#56 Jan 02 2010 at 12:59 AM Rating: Decent
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But I'd ask that you get off your high horse if you've got anything more to say.
Yes, you really had to add this? What did I say that made you think I have some inflated view of myself? My nonchalance towards genitalia or the fact that I tend to disregard societal protocol? I understand your application of hyperbole but do you frown on showing faint nipple in animated characters? What about muscular bulges or scars? I just see no difference between all these things that are merely physical traits.

Furthermore, I see no reason to incite discussion on inflected "high-horsedness." The crux of the argument is independent of how I present myself. My being a jerk - admittedly, I do not believe I am - has no influence on me being right or wrong.
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#57 Jan 02 2010 at 1:08 AM Rating: Decent
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But I'd ask that you get off your high horse if you've got anything more to say.
Yes, you really had to add this? What did I say that made you think I have some inflated view of myself? My nonchalance towards genitalia or the fact that I tend to disregard societal protocol? I understand your application of hyperbole but do you frown on showing faint nipple in animated characters? What about muscular bulges or scars? I just see no difference between all these things that are merely physical traits.

Furthermore, I see no reason to incite discussion on inflected "high-horsedness." The crux of the argument is independent of how I present myself. My being a jerk - admittedly, I do not believe I am - has no influence on me being right or wrong.


Your sarcasm rubbed me the wrong way, no pun intended. Perhaps I let myself get a bit too heated, so sorry for that, but I think that you could have stated your point a little less obnoxiously. I'm not going to go asking for etiquette on an internet forum, but that's your explanation if you wanted it.

Agree to disagree. /derail off

Edited, Jan 2nd 2010 2:15am by Eske
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#58 Jan 02 2010 at 1:08 AM Rating: Decent
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I like theshadow, feels like I'm reading the comments of my clone who likes to abuse the synonym tool in word xp hehe.

i agree there is nothing wrong with having the ability to adjust different traits, and in a perfect world this would include the genitals without people getting on their 'high horses' about the immorality/perversion of this.. sadly though the world doesn't work like that.. having access to adjust these features on a "family game" (i do believe this is what SE is aiming for if they wish to truly be a challenge for WoW) would simply not be acceptable in most western countries.
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#59 Jan 02 2010 at 1:13 AM Rating: Decent
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Your sarcasm rubbed me the wrong way, no pun intended. Perhaps I let myself get a bit too heated, so sorry for that, but I think that you could have stated your point a little less obnoxiously. I'm not going to go asking for etiquette on an internet forum, but that's your explanation if you wanted it.

Agree to disagree. /derail off
Truce then and I look forward to playing FFXIV with you.
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#60 Jan 02 2010 at 4:22 AM Rating: Good
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I'm a girl and I don't focus my attention on that stuff at all when I'm playing a game... but well, I guess SE made some guys happy with that, good for them D:
#61 Jan 02 2010 at 4:43 AM Rating: Good
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I find the teen arguement so hypocritical.

Besides the fact that teenagers start to develop and shouldn't be shamed that they're starting to grow a package. Games like these are about slaughtering everything that you see insight. If you can't even condone the true representation of the male form, how can you overlook the bloodlust that seems to be a far bigger issue.

Just playing devil's advocate here...
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#62 Jan 02 2010 at 6:01 AM Rating: Good
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because violence has become the norm in the media while showing the true form of the body in any sexually explicit form has and still is seen as wrong in some senses
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#63 Jan 02 2010 at 7:36 AM Rating: Excellent
With all this talk of this being 'provocative' and 'attention-grabbing', I'm starting to wonder if I was the only guy who's eyes didn't immediately gravitate to the cameltoe upon viewing the picture and only noticed after reading this thread.

Back on topic, I don't see why we shouldn't have male tackle on display as well because everyone deserves a bit of fanservice regardless of gender.

Edited, Jan 2nd 2010 8:45am by Miitan
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