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#1 Jan 06 2010 at 9:44 PM Rating: Good
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So what's your opinion? I didn't play FFXI because I played WoW but I have long since quit WoW and have been a long time FF player and am looking forward to FFXIV. I just don't know if I should get it on PC or PS3...

So what's the pros and cons of both based on your knowledge of FFXI?
#2 Jan 06 2010 at 9:58 PM Rating: Decent
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I personally don't care with what the pros and cons are, I feel more comfortable playing it on PS3..lol.
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#3 Jan 06 2010 at 9:58 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm building a PC for XIV despite owning a PS3. I played XI on PC despite owning a PS2. I'll most likely get XIV for PC at launch, maybe eventually get it for PS3 too.
#4 Jan 06 2010 at 10:05 PM Rating: Decent
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I played FFXI on PC, Ps2 and Xbox360.

Playing on a console you know that the game and subsequent expansions will work 100%.

The smaller perks are: If you have a gigantic HDTV and a comfy sofa you'll be very comfortable playing.

Playing FFXI on a controller was a breeze, I hope FXIV will follow suit.

PC: You have a chance of playing in higher resolutions than 1080p.

SE stated that they are developing for PC first and porting to PS3, the opposite was true for FFXI. So you might see custom UI's and the such for PC which might not make it to the PS3, or might have to be ported over.


Myself. I plan on playing it on PS3 first til i have a PC capable of playing FFXIV on max for a decent price.
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I'm getting PC initially because I prefer having a table and monitor, plus the privacy of my room and personal computer for MMORPGs, especially. Additionally, if someone wants to use my PS3 or the TV, I will not be monopolizing it.

I had FFXI for PS2 at the start, but that was when I had a sweet 19 inch TV and my best desktop was a Pentium II with 128MB of RAM. When I built a new computer and had a slight mishap with my PlayOnline account, I got the PC version and didn't look back.
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#6 Jan 06 2010 at 10:07 PM Rating: Good
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I'm a pretty exclusive PC gamer, despite having all the consoles handy.

That being said,


Pros to PC:

-Scalable, better graphics and tweakable performance that can improve as the years go by, as SE has developed graphics 'seperately' for the PS3 and PC. (aka no PS3 limitations.)

-Vent, skype, and all of the stuff you can do while alt-tabbed out of the game.

-Feels more comfortable using just with a keyboard. (to me.)

Cons:

-Better have a nice gaming rig, probably more cost effective to buy a PS3 if you're not going to use a gaming rig for more than XIV, and if the above pros aren't enough to entice you.
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#7 Jan 06 2010 at 10:14 PM Rating: Decent
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If your PC just barely meets the minimum system requirements for ffxiv then you might want to consider playing on a PS3 because there could be lag or other problems that arise. A good PC can cost alot so most people will just go PS3 + computer on the side.

Edited, Jan 6th 2010 11:31pm by KeeperOfTheStaff
#8 Jan 06 2010 at 10:14 PM Rating: Default
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actually how do you guys play with a controller?
i believe you cant use macros at all?
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Mostaru wrote:
actually how do you guys play with a controller?
i believe you cant use macros at all?


On the Dualshock2 L2 and R2 brought up the macro sets. While holding down either left-right-up-down then hit the X button to confirm, it was sweet sugary goodness.

How do you play with a keyboard? It's impossible for me on ffxi, lol.

Edited, Jan 6th 2010 11:29pm by KeeperOfTheStaff
#10 Jan 06 2010 at 10:35 PM Rating: Decent
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PS3, I think I might get the chat pad for easy typing while playing.
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KeeperOfTheStaff wrote:
Mostaru wrote:
actually how do you guys play with a controller?
i believe you cant use macros at all?


On the Dualshock2 L2 and R2 brought up the macro sets. While holding down either left-right-up-down then hit the X button to confirm, it was sweet sugary goodness.

How do you play with a keyboard? It's impossible for me on ffxi, lol.

Edited, Jan 6th 2010 11:29pm by KeeperOfTheStaff


then how did you set the macro???? and how do you go to the next page?
hmmmm do you have a PS2 keyboard to type in the macro?
without the keyboard, it's gonna be very hard to communicate. I played another game on PS3 online and it ****** me off when I have to click on the virtual keyboard to chat.


to play on PC with keyboard.. the macro sets are ATL and CTRL + 1 to 0 (#s on top of the keyboard)
if you want to page up and down, you simply press the up and right arrow
we use the numpad keys to move the character
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I just want a Game-Board for PS3....similar to this:

http://img.inkfrog.com/pix/24hrs/logitech_netplay.jpg

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#13 Jan 06 2010 at 10:57 PM Rating: Good
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I'll get it mainly for the PS3 because of reliability and not having to deal with random computer ***** ups that always happen to me. I plan to build a gaming PC about a year from now and I'll get it for PC as well then.
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As both a PS2 and PC FFXI player, here are my thoughts.

PC Pro's:

-Enhanced resolution, easier to customize effects including .dats and music.

-Some prefer keyboard/mouse support over controller(PS3 does have a KB though, not sure about mouse)

-The biggest perk of them all... hacks. This includes programs, bots, scripts, and anything else that isn't included with FFXIV.

PS3 Pro's:

-HD, but less resolution, however the size of your screen can be much larger than PC. The graphics shown are from the PS3 version.

-You can play from your couch which is better for your health for a few reasons. You can move around thanks to the wireless controls plus you don't get the same eyestrain as you do on PC.

-Surround sound is much better on the PS3 compared to a PC.

-Controller provides more precise movement of your character while running and that sort of thing. That being true, KB/mouse support is available for both.

The verdict PS3 wins at launch.

In all seriousness, as long as the PS3 version doesn't suffer from lag during crowded events similar to Campaign/Beseiged/Dynamis, I'd say the PS3 has the early edge. As a PS2 user in FFXI, I used my PC in tandem to surf the web(Wiki and FFXI sites) including Vent use. The only real advantage the PC version seems to have is higher resolution(although a smaller screen) and the possibility of hacks down the road. Both systems can use a keyboard and I think the PS3 can use a mouse if you really felt the need to. The PS2 allowed us to use a mouse so I think there's a possibility.

This verdict is coming from someone who began FFXI on the PS2 and is currently on the PC. The graphics of the PS3 version are a much more impressive compared to the FFXI's PS2 murky graphics. I updated to the PC version for that reason alone.
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Well I played ps2 and 360 for XI, but I was planning on playing XIV on PC. Now you guys have me kind of scared when it comes to the whole reliability thing. Maybe I'll stick with PS3? :(
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#17 Jan 07 2010 at 12:01 AM Rating: Decent
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Macros were super easy to use and create, either for PC or PS2. I played on both (started on PS2 and then ported when I had a good enough comp, never looked back) and used a controller for both. The mouse/keyboard controls were too clunky for my liking. As said above, you used the trigger buttons to bring up macro sets, scrolled using the d-pad, hit X to confirm. Took a bit of setting up sometimes on various jobs to put the macros in a spot on the menu once you made them for easy access, but once you figured it out, it was golden. Pretty much the same as setting up any hot bar - once you know where it is and use it enough times, it becomes second nature.

As for the OP, PC all the way. I know SE is going to try their damnedest again to keep out third party tools, but if their UI mobility sucks (and parts of it will, let's be honest - it's the same with almost any MMO), people are going to want more options. You won't have those on anything but PC (unless it's easy to find/change files on the PS3 HD).

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I'm really not looking forward to buying another gaming PC, but I might have to depending on how SE handles the PS3. If I can use a USB keyboard and mouse on the PS3 and have controls be exactly like a PC, then it's PS3 all the way. If I'm forced to use the Dualshock, then I'll have to get a new PC.
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#20 Jan 07 2010 at 1:03 AM Rating: Decent
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I dont own a ps3 so I will be playing it on the pc. I hve an xbox 360 but mostly it sits collecting dust unless I'm playing Street fighter 4
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if your PC is more powerful than your PS3, then PC is obviously gonna be better
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#22 Jan 07 2010 at 1:51 AM Rating: Good
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PC.
Windower.
Dual Boxing.
Having 2 screens with 1 kb/mouse to have wiki open.
Vent on for LS events.
You can use a controller on PC also.

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Close to your game screen so you don't auto run into an Imp and get owned.


You could also set up a pc near your PS3... But for me I will have ffxiv on both systems, although will likely use the PC much more.
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#23 Jan 07 2010 at 2:15 AM Rating: Default
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Jenovaomega wrote:
if your PC is more powerful than your PS3, then PC is obviously gonna be better


That depends on your definition. If you're saying a gaming rig PC will perform better at a higher resolution, fine. Anything other than that is speculation at this point. On your average PC, the PS2 ran FFXI better except in crowded areas. The frame rate and overall play mechanics response isn't clear yet which platform handles better. PC should win if you had a customized rig, but that's a big "IF" when it comes down to SE.

However on the subject of resolution. The naked eye has difficulty though when you you try to surpass the 1080 resolution. Here is an example.

Your average VHS tape has a ratio of 380 x 480. A regular DVD has 720 X 480. It was a huge difference back in the day. BLU-ray is typically 1280 X 720. The visual quality between DVD and BLU-ray is much harder to tell unless you have a side by side comparison. IMAX is 10,000 X 7,000. The point is anything past 1080 can barely be visually perceptive by the eye.

Edited, Jan 7th 2010 3:23am by ShadowedgeFFXI
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Mostaru wrote:
KeeperOfTheStaff wrote:
Mostaru wrote:
actually how do you guys play with a controller?
i believe you cant use macros at all?


On the Dualshock2 L2 and R2 brought up the macro sets. While holding down either left-right-up-down then hit the X button to confirm, it was sweet sugary goodness.

How do you play with a keyboard? It's impossible for me on ffxi, lol.

Edited, Jan 6th 2010 11:29pm by KeeperOfTheStaff


then how did you set the macro???? and how do you go to the next page?
hmmmm do you have a PS2 keyboard to type in the macro?
without the keyboard, it's gonna be very hard to communicate. I played another game on PS3 online and it ****** me off when I have to click on the virtual keyboard to chat.


I had a USB keyboard to type with hooked up to the PS2 (2 USB device ports available). Pressing triangle brought up a menu that had all of the functions like macros, map, equipment, status, inventory, missions, quests, it was 2 sided so pressing the square button flipped that menu over. Clicking macros then setting everything in was how it was done, just like how you'd set the macros on the PC version. L1 was autorun. Circle button was like the escape key. Clicking right analog was the /heal but i just used a macro. There was no compromises at all with using a controller but if you had to you could've just used a keyboard+mouse exclusively on either PS2 or the Xbox.
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That depends on your definition. If you're saying a gaming rig PC will perform better at a higher resolution, fine. Anything other than that is speculation at this point. On your average PC, the PS2 ran FFXI better except in crowded areas. The frame rate and overall play mechanics response isn't clear yet which platform handles better. PC should win if you had a customized rig, but that's a big "IF" when it comes down to SE.

However the resolution was higher so the graphics looked better. The naked eye has difficulty though when you you try to surpass the 1080 resolution. Here is an example.

Your average VHS tape has a ratio of 380 x 480. A regular DVD has 720 X 480. It was a huge difference back in the day. BLU-ray is typically 1280 X 720. The visual quality between DVD and BLU-ray is much harder to tell unless you have a side by side comparison. IMAX is 10,000 X 7,000. The point is anything past 1080 can barely be visually perceptive by the eye.


be it a higher resolution or an equal one. if your PC has a decent amount more processing power/a fairly notably more powerful gfx card, be it in crowded areas or generic run from A to B, the game should have a better performance (smoothness, graphics, feel, fps) i will admit that were your pc is only a tiny bit more powerful the PS3 may win in performance due to it being a console designed for gaming, but in terms of potential a PC will always trump a console.

on the topic of resolutions, there is a reason beyond the graphical side for having larger resolutions. HUDs for games are, almost always, at a preset amount of pixels, so the larger the resolution, the smaller the HUD and so the more of your screen that is free to view the wonders of the game/overlay over stuff on. Personally i can notice the differences between 1080, 1600, 1900 resolutions and where possible i will always go for the larger, gives more room to play with, and in terms of your mouse, a larger a resolution allows better use of high dpi mice due to the larger desktop surface to cover :)
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#26 Jan 07 2010 at 3:43 AM Rating: Decent
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PS3. I played FFXI in PC and I liked it, but I'm not planning on buying a new PC for FFXIV when I already have a PS3...
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be it a higher resolution or an equal one. if your PC has a decent amount more processing power/a fairly notably more powerful gfx card, be it in crowded areas or generic run from A to B, the game should have a better performance (smoothness, graphics, feel, fps) i will admit that were your pc is only a tiny bit more powerful the PS3 may win in performance due to it being a console designed for gaming, but in terms of potential a PC will always trump a console.

on the topic of resolutions, there is a reason beyond the graphical side for having larger resolutions. HUDs for games are, almost always, at a preset amount of pixels, so the larger the resolution, the smaller the HUD and so the more of your screen that is free to view the wonders of the game/overlay over stuff on. Personally i can notice the differences between 1080, 1600, 1900 resolutions and where possible i will always go for the larger, gives more room to play with, and in terms of your mouse, a larger a resolution allows better use of high dpi mice due to the larger desktop surface to cover :)


A non-gaming rig won't beat the PS3 at launch. A few years down the road, that's a different matter. The PS2 had no problems at all with frame rate during normal situations. It was only when you were camping Faf, Dynamis, Campaign, and those sort of things did the PS2 lag. We don't know how the PS3 will react yet in FFXIV. However, SE's history on the PC is less than stellar. So if we go by the numbers, it's safe to say that the PS3 version is more likely to run better out of the box.

A higher resolution might be great for some games like Starcraft, but I don't believe you'll benefit from a higher than 1080 resolution in terms of control in FFXIV. Sure the graphics will be slightly better, but it's barely noticeable. All the screen shots are taken from the PS3 so far. I think it's safe to say SE has learned a thing or two about creating MMO's on consoles. Back when FFXI came out, the graphics were a huge step down from FFX. On the other hand, FFXIII and FFXIV look very similar. That's relevant because most of the PS2 players myself included that switched to PC did so because of the enhanced graphics and less lag.(Dynamis)

We both know this isn't about pixels and PC interface. The people who prefer the PC version aren't being honest. This is really about modifications to the game itself. Don't like the music track, swap in your own stuff. Tired of a looking the same, swap your .dat model with something else. The bottom line is most people that want the PC version so they can cheat/modify the game. No matter how much effort SE includes to allow customization, players won't be satisfied. Every single time any problem is addressed in these forums, someone will chime in with the Windower cheat. If you ***** about DD's who blink too much, get Blinkmenot. If you're tired of RMT spam /tells, get Chatmon. If you're too lazy to quest a map, just get AP radar with map packs.

Edited, Jan 7th 2010 4:30am by ShadowedgeFFXI
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Gigantic HDTV and a comfy sofa


My plan at the moment is to get FFXIV on the ps3, I have always been more off a console player.
I did play FFXI on pc, for some reason you could not get it on playstation in EU?

I might get FFXIV for PC later on also, but for now I am getting it on ps3.
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I prefer the PC version and i'm being totally honest. PC version = better possible graphics, easier controls (i'll take take my G15 keyboard with working macro buttons over anything available for the PS3), better mouse (Razer Mamba with working buttons etc..) ability to mute ingame music and play my own (ehh ehhh, see what i done? no breaching the ToC this way xp) ability to alt-tab and browse stuff without having to turn my head or release my grip of my controls ( xp)

when i played FFXI, the only thing i cared for from your list of 'illegal stuff' is the ability to have FFXI windowed and the party TP display, everything else i was fine with.

in terms of whether a non-gaming rig will beat the PS3 at launch.. well define a gaming rig? the PS3 has been out for awhile now and pretty much any pre-made computer for over 1000 pounds(rough estimate, could be a bit higher) will come with a CPU and gfx card that match/beat the PS3, personally i use a gaming rig that i built myself so i know mine will win over a PS3, and by the time of release, i'm fairly certain that any decent pc bought at that time will happily match the PS3
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in terms of whether a non-gaming rig will beat the PS3 at launch.. well define a gaming rig? the PS3 has been out for awhile now and pretty much any pre-made computer for over 1000 pounds(rough estimate, could be a bit higher) will come with a CPU and gfx card that match/beat the PS3, personally i use a gaming rig that i built myself so i know mine will win over a PS3, and by the time of release, i'm fairly certain that any decent pc bought at that time will happily match the PS3


A gaming rig is a PC you either bought from a specialized company or built yourself to play games. In other words, it's not stock. The average player isn't going to have a gaming rig tweaked for optimal play.

As for the controls, there are keyboards that feature the type of control you want for the PS3. I'm not sure about FFXIV, but XI was better to move using a PS2 controller. Considering the composer for FFXIV, I can't say I'll ever mute the game, however that's what the Mute button is for on the remote.

It's easier to browse with alt-tab. I'll give you that one. It's better on your eyes to play on larger screen and not cramped at your desk for hours at a time as well. It's a preference, neither is better.
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shadowedge, check out some of the recent 'stock' computers, as i said, a decent priced computer (£1000-1200) will easily get you something with a powerful cpu and gfx card now-a-days and well, FFXIV wont be coming out for at least... 6months.. by that time the PS3 will be well over 3 years old... plenty of time for stock PC components to become fairly powerful. (go to dell, look at any computer for the price range i said, now buying a comp for that much money is common place, and the components that you can get for a pre-built comp at that price are pretty good, and compared to the specs of the PS3, they can easily match it now.

in terms of what's best for your eyes.. well again, depends on what type of monitor you have. larger monitors are more and more common, so no need to sit as close, so less damage. ^^

oh do you know what the logitech G15 keyboard (mark.1 not mark.2) is? there is nothing like that for the PS3, tis the greatest keyboard for gaming ever due to how complex you can program the macro system for the 18 'G-keys'
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thanks for all the feedback guys!

I'll probably stick with the PC version. My pc runs WoW at full settings fairly well so I'm hoping FFXIV will play pretty descent on what I have already.

I'm also going to count on being able to mod the UI since it is being made for the PC first and then ported to the PS3 but who knows for sure really. Also, I agree with the statement of monopolizing the TV. I'm married, so hogging the TV for hours on end may not be such a great idea with the wife.
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As both a PS2 and PC FFXI player, here are my thoughts.

PC Pro's:

-Enhanced resolution, easier to customize effects including .dats and music.

-Some prefer keyboard/mouse support over controller(PS3 does have a KB though, not sure about mouse)

-The biggest perk of them all... hacks. This includes programs, bots, scripts, and anything else that isn't included with FFXIV.

PS3 Pro's:

-HD, but less resolution, however the size of your screen can be much larger than PC. The graphics shown are from the PS3 version
"HD" isnt a bonus for PS3 when the graphics can be more "HD" on the PC. Size of screen also moot, considering most modern GPU (infact, most old GPU) can be connected to output on TV screens. ****, alot of decent brand flat TVs now even have a PC port specially!

-You can play from your couch which is better for your health for a few reasons.
What? How is it better for you to sit on a couch as opposed to a chair?

You can move around thanks to the wireless controls plus you don't get the same eyestrain as you do on PC.
I play with a wireless controller on PC on XI. Why cant I do it on XIV?

-Surround sound is much better on the PS3 compared to a PC.
Tosh. Depends on the PC of course, but proper soundcards in PCs are much more advanced than soundboards in PS3s. Also, PS3 and PC use extactly the same speaker hardware :P

-Controller provides more precise movement of your character while running and that sort of thing. That being true, KB/mouse support is available for both.
Tosh. You can use PS2, X360, PS3 or any wide selection of controllers on a PC.



The real bonus for the PS3 you missed out is cost. Getting a PC able to run XIV at the same level of a PS3 will cost you much more than the PS3 itself.

From a technical perspective, the PC will always be superior simply because it is not static. Comfort/Controller arguements depend on your situation, but more and more people are moving to having PCs as media centres in the front room than the geekbox in the back room.

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Clearly the best solution is:

PC, with an graphics card capable of HDMI dual monitor support, hooked up to a 60" television screen, with wireless USB controllers and keyboards.

Best of both worlds, really.
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If you can't or won't buy a significantly good gaming PC PS3 will beat it for the next 2-3 years for sure.

The one advantage PS3 has is that it doesn't have a true OS so the game will always run better, it's built for gaming.

I am personally going to hook up my PS3 to 1 of my 2 monitors when the TV is not available and run optical cable to my logitech Z5500's, high quality 5.1 audio, a monitor and another monitor to do anything pc related like looking things up or what not.

I personally never wanted to EVER change anything in FFXI except for windower since i was on my pc. I doubt it will be needed, the whole issue was playonline and their fear that because the games runs through this terrible program that things might happen. I doubt they will do that twice, windowing exists in almost every game now.

PS3 will be the winnar for the first 1-2 years at a significantly cheaper cost. If you have a PS3 go for PS3, need a keyboard, plug a wireless keyboard in, quit whining. A few years down the road if you are still playing and loving it(because let's be honest after 1-2 years most of the FFXI pub crowd dropped off) then invest in a mid-high end computer and have similar if not better visual experiences on there.

Overall pointless discussion, PC people will do PC and PS3 people will do PS3, cheap people will buy a PS3 and more money then brains people will invest in the best computer possible. Gaming experiences will be similar if not the same, the PS3 is... significantly better then the PS2 was when the game came out, graphical and hardware related issues will not come up in quite the same ways.
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I've been a PC user since EU launch, and I think the benefits over PS2/360 make it the better option (windower and ability to have multiple windows like wiki as a result).

That being said, as someone has previously mentioned a new PC/Laptop cabable of running FFXIV at settings able to match the PS3 will probably cost a fair bit more than a PS3 (which I already own).

Plus, I have one of these little bad boys waiting for FFXIV :)


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If i remember correctly, FFXI only ran at 30 frames per second. when i found this out a while back i was quite surprised actually. My guess is that FFXIV will also run at 30 fps. Just a hunch here, it would be nice if the game ran at 60 fps, but there really isn't a need to.

If FFXIV handles large amounts of people better than FFXI out of the box and has virtually no slowdown on either platform, i'd be impressed, but i know that won't be the case. I'm also guessing that FFXIV will also run at 720p instead of 1080p on the ps3, since most games do, including FFXIII.

Personally i'm getting the ps3 version, since i love the controller (its wireless now too) and since i know it will run pretty darn smoothly out of the box. I do not really enjoy messing around with PCs, its too much trouble and too expensive for me to get a good gaming rig. PC might automatically look better than ps3 out of the box though if XIV does run 720 on ps3.
#39ShadowedgeFFXI, Posted: Jan 07 2010 at 1:56 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I can't speak for the UK, but stock PC's in the NA have integrated GPX even on Dell. People in the thread have established that the PS3's biggest perk is the price. Most stock PC's don't have enough RAM or need a Video upgrade especially if you have Vista. Another disadvantage I remembered for PC users are the players who crash due to pop up programs such as Virus protection. Plus viruses in general that slow down your PC.
#40 Jan 07 2010 at 2:50 PM Rating: Default
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There's no legitimate reason to reference "windower" as a positive for XIV PC. The game can be windowed from day 1, and most likely it will be better than the XI one. Even if it isn't, that's a positive for the PS3 - no 3rd party tools necessary.

Thus the only reason "windower" is a plus for PC are the hypothetical plug-ins and easier access to more and more 3rd party tools. A cheater's haven.
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#41 Jan 07 2010 at 2:56 PM Rating: Default
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I'm going with PC, Sure playing it on the PS3 would be nice but with the new battle system seeming like it will require the use of a cursor >.> because of the way the abilities are selected I feel that this game will be more attuned to the PC than a Console. Plus typing on that little keyboard they have for the PS3 controllers is a pain. And switching between controller and full sized keyboard is a hassle all its own I say its the PC all the way.
#42 Jan 07 2010 at 3:01 PM Rating: Good
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No monitor shy of a LCD TV monster are good for you. PC monitors are known to cause eye fatigue and even death in rare cases. A WoW gamer died from it.


So the remote control protects you from eye fatigue and death? That's about the only difference between an LCD TV and an LCD Monitor. If you can supposedly die from a monitor, you could die from a TV.
#43 Jan 07 2010 at 3:06 PM Rating: Decent
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Shadowedge, you seriously believe that people can die from a monitor? o.0 you know that isnt possible... you can die from playing games for to long without a break... which is more than just due to staring at the screen, it's a mix of lack of movement, lack of proper food/drink and a constant barrage of your senses... but definitely not from simply a monitor... lol

if you think that a 1300 dollars rig now is able to beat the PS3 for FFXIV, then that's brilliant, i'd hardly call that even remotely expensive or over the top to afford. not only do you get a rig to play FFXIV better than on the PS3 but you can do plenty of other stuff with it too that you cant on the PS3 ^^
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#44 Jan 07 2010 at 3:19 PM Rating: Decent
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No monitor shy of a LCD TV monster are good for you. PC monitors are known to cause eye fatigue and even death in rare cases. A WoW gamer died from it.


Mild eye fatigue from monitors could happen in the past with low refresh rate CRT monitors. With LCD and high refresh CRT, not so much. I basically work in front of a bright computer screen everyday for most of the day.

Serious health repercussions from looking at monitors are so low as to not even merit consideration.


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#45 Jan 07 2010 at 3:19 PM Rating: Default
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Shadowedge, you seriously believe that people can die from a monitor? o.0 you know that isnt possible... you can die from playing games for to long without a break... which is more than just due to staring at the screen, it's a mix of lack of movement, lack of proper food/drink and a constant barrage of your senses... but definitely not from simply a monitor... lol

if you think that a 1300 dollars rig now is able to beat the PS3 for FFXIV, then that's brilliant, i'd hardly call that even remotely expensive or over the top to afford. not only do you get a rig to play FFXIV better than on the PS3 but you can do plenty of other stuff with it too that you cant on the PS3 ^^


No, the eyestrain leads to headaches and a decrease in overall health. The lack of movement especially during that 18hr marathon LS that attempted to kill PW might kill you instead. Your average PC gamer myself included doesn't take enough breaks away from the screen. Pee breaks and snacks is hardly a break. A PS3 wireless controller offers movement including walking around in the room while playing. A stationary setting without movement of any kind for long sessions causes injuries. The studies for kb vs controller hand injuries though aren't complete enough for me yet. For example, carpal tunnel is a known side effect of keyboard use. This goes back to the typewriter so it's long been established. On the PS3 side, vibration settings causes side effects of their own over long periods. I truly think the health factor is important.

Yeah, I checked around online and $1300 seems to be the magic number. I wouldn't get all excited though, we don't know how SE will emulate FFXIV on the PC. In theory, it has a higher potential, but theory isn't enough when dealing with SE.
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$1300? Pre-built, maybe.

Right now, provided you can recycle your case, harddrives, monitor, keyboard etc; (and have the knowledge or know a person who can build), building a mid-high gaming rig would cost you around 700-800, and allow you to play even most current games at high settings.

100-200 for a decent motherboard.
150-200 for the videocard.
100-150 for say, 4-8 gigs of DDR2, which unless you have an i5/i7, is perfectly fine, or even preferable.
200 for a decent quadcore.

Around 30 for artic cooler cpu heatsink/fan to replace the crappy stock one.

130 for a good Corsair PSU.

Still expensive, but it also makes for a decent workstation in addition to a gaming rig.

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#47 Jan 07 2010 at 3:56 PM Rating: Decent
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Is this game going to have voice chat built into the client? (does FFXI have it now? or does the PS3 have it similarly to Live?)

That's really the only initial difference I'd see between a PS3 and a PC at launch. I'll be stuck no PS3 as the launch of the game will likely be right in between my typical upgrade cycles for PC.
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If you are min/maxing, PC wins.

FFXIV uses WASD mouse/keyboard for movement. Mouse > controller in terms of speed and control. This means as a PS3 user you need a keyboard and mouse.

PS3 is essentially a PC with many limitations. You can't really mod it, b/c there is no UI to modify files like Windows. The PC allows for customization, and 3rd party applications, enhancing your character, like putting 30 equip switches into 1 macro.

PCs can also be upgraded, as this game will be around probably 10 years, while PS3 will become outdated, so you will get overall better client experience.

There is really no argument in favor of PS3 b/c everything you say about the PS3 the PC can be modified to match. You can have surround sound for PC, you can have controllers for your PC and hook it up to your HDTV for even better graphics than PS3. I do that all the time to watch movies.
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#49 Jan 07 2010 at 4:17 PM Rating: Default
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Is this game going to have voice chat built into the client? (does FFXI have it now? or does the PS3 have it similarly to Live?)

That's really the only initial difference I'd see between a PS3 and a PC at launch. I'll be stuck no PS3 as the launch of the game will likely be right in between my typical upgrade cycles for PC.


No, SE said they have no plans for voice chat. They hinted at using other programs such as Vent/Teamspeak. So no, it's just like FFXI.
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No, SE said they have no plans for voice chat. They hinted at using other programs such as Vent/Teamspeak. So no, it's just like FFXI.


Too bad, it's an integral part of an MMO for me, doubly so with international players for language practice. Can you run anything in the background on a PS3?
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I signed up for Beta on the PS3 just to see how well it preforms (If I get selected). If I get it for PC then I'd have to say goodbye to FFXI once and for all because there is no way I can juggle two MMORPGs.
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