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#1 Jan 26 2010 at 10:23 AM Rating: Decent
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Will this effect XIV you think?

Three years later, the PS3 gets hacked

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After over three years on the market, the PlayStation 3 has finally been hacked. Famous iPhone hacker George Hotz, aka "GeoHot", has become the first to achieve the feat, though what this means for the PS3 modding community remains to be seen.

"I have read/write access to the entire system memory, and HV level access to the processor," Hotz wrote on his blog. "In other words, I have hacked the PS3. The rest is just software. And reversing. I have a lot of reversing ahead of me, as I now have dumps of LV0 and LV1. I've also dumped the NAND without removing it or a modchip."

"3 years, 2 months, 11 days...thats a pretty secure system," he added.

It took Hotz himself five weeks to crack the PS3, which he documented on his blog. And though he hasn't revealed what the news could mean in terms of exploits, it sounds like there is definitely something that will be announced soon.

"As far as the exploit goes, I'm not revealing it yet," Hotz wrote, before adding that there's "a lot more to come."

You can keep up with the project by following Hotz's blog or Twitter





Edited, Jan 30th 2010 11:05am by Darkpsychosis
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#2 Jan 26 2010 at 10:27 AM Rating: Good
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Considering that XIV is subscriber-based, no, not really.

The PS2 or 360 being hacked didn't really affect XI.

Edited, Jan 26th 2010 8:28am by Kirbster
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I guess my question was geared more towards the security of the XIV accounts, and the PS3 security (as far as I know my PS3 has no Security center e.g. Norton) seeing as how the PS2 never had a Media browser that didn't run off Linux it wasn't much of an issue, but this article appears that he's been able to get into PS3s core and run apps as PS3 content as well as its installed media browser.

I wouldn't even know how to install security system on PS3 if warranted!
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Darkpsychosis wrote:

I guess my question was geared more towards the security of the XIV accounts, and the PS3 security (as far as I know my PS3 has no Security center e.g. Norton) seeing as how the PS2 never had a Media browser that didn't run off Linux it wasn't much of an issue, but this article appears that he's been able to get into PS3s core and run apps as PS3 content as well as its installed media browser.

I wouldn't even know how to install security system on PS3 if warranted!


He hacked his own PS3. This has more to do with people pirating games and that **** than what you're thinking of.
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Doesn't matter since FFXIV is going to be on pc too.
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I'm pretty sure this is the guy that cracked the iPhone, which lead to probably the most used phrase I've heard in recent years, "There's an app for that!"

I can see it now, TV commercials circulating in China's RMT community...

Need to make 100million gil. this weekend for a customer? There's and app for that!

Need to steel 50 thousand XIV account to strip for gil? There's an app for that!

Need to hack a PS3 account for work to acquire CC info? There's an app for that too!

not to sounds like Chicken Little but it sound like it could be more than just Jethro playing a pirated version of Darksiders ` awesome trailer btw...
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Yeah this means nothing for FFXIV, especially since in order to play the game you will likely need the latest firmware update to play it. I saw the 'hack' earlier and its nothing like the Iphone hack he did. A simple firmware update will make his/her work meaningless and the only use is maybe homebrew projects utilizing the full graphical capacities of the system (it was locked before) and pirating games, and thats only if you don't upgrade the firmware. You lose out on any games that need a firmware beyond what he hacked, won't beable to play online games of any kind and ultimately won't get anything new they add down the line. Its useless and of little concern for legitmate players, especially for an online game.
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Nevermind the fact that most of XIV's data will be kept on SE's side of the servers. Hopefully they'll go the extra mile in preventing some of the exploits that "trusted" players and enabled things like position hacking. Overall, it might like PS3 players DAT swap their gear or something in the long run, but that'll also depend on how SE structures the files on the PS3 and the depth of which you can access them without third party software installed... that again, might not work on later firmware updates.
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As for you guys 'fearing' this, it will most likely not lead to anything amazing. The two paths for something like this are :

Unlocking: Homebrew games, Emulators, and Piracy are potential outcomes.

Removing Restrictions: Linux could potentially gain access to the GPU, the system actually becomes 'useful' for something other than a broken-browser and a Sony Storefront.
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As for you guys 'fearing' this, it will most likely not lead to anything amazing. The two paths for something like this are :

Unlocking: Homebrew games, Emulators, and Piracy are potential outcomes.

Removing Restrictions: Linux could potentially gain access to the GPU, the system actually becomes 'useful' for something other than a broken-browser and a Sony Storefront.



Vent for PS3, anyone?
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I guess my question was geared more towards the security of the XIV accounts, and the PS3 security (as far as I know my PS3 has no Security center e.g. Norton) seeing as how the PS2 never had a Media browser that didn't run off Linux it wasn't much of an issue, but this article appears that he's been able to get into PS3s core and run apps as PS3 content as well as its installed media browser.

I wouldn't even know how to install security system on PS3 if warranted!
He hacked his own PS3. This has more to do with people pirating games and that sh*t than what you're thinking of.
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xbox(both)/wii/ps2/PC(ff)/etcetc have all been "hacked" a long time ago, this announcement means absolutely nothing for FFXIV
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No fear here, but this might lead to dat swapping in the future.
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Sony has sent out word that they're on the case and investigating the truth behind the PS3 hack rumors.



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Though the hack is said to be unpatchable, the hacker, Geohot, himself said that firmware updates could complicate the implementation. As it is, we'll just have to wait for updates from both ends of the battleground.
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Data interception, which is what you people seem to be fearing, would be better done for any system by a PC.

Hacking a PS3 doesn't really mean much for other PS3 owners unless you're into pirating.

I'm not really a fan of it because hacking your console usually leads to being unable to use online functions, something I quite enjoy.
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Data interception, which is what you people seem to be fearing, would be better done for any system by a PC.


I think that's what all the fuss is about, I'm clearly no soft ware guy, but until now I don't think there was a PC that could actually "Talk" to a PS3 to intercept data, from what I gather, you could basically turn your PS3 into a PS3/PC hybrid so that it could. (which probably isn't such a big deal, unless your SONY announcing a new MMO Title this year. i.e. a 2011 roll out date)

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I have read/write access to the entire system memory, and HV level access to the processor.It's supposed to be unhackable - but nothing is unhackable,I can now do whatever I want with the system. It's like I've got an awesome new power - I'm just not sure how to wield it."


which to me suggests he is able to run in conjunction W/ Linux, add a browser and you have a PC that speaks PS3, which could be used by anyone for more than just pirating and homebrew and emulators all which were used on systems with lesser processing abilities, I would think.

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xbox(both)/wii/ps2/PC(ff)/etcetc have all been "hacked" a long time ago, this announcement means absolutely nothing for FFXIV


I think those were all software hacks, apparently this is a Hardware issue which means the games systems them self would have to be modified, not just a patch to brick it up.



Edited, Jan 26th 2010 8:49pm by Darkpsychosis
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i wouldnt be surprised if SE just took the next step and added in-game voice chat like blizzard did with WoW. itd be a great way to facilitate cross platform communication.
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Poor PS3. Not going to affect, say, Japan or US much perhaps. But in south-east asia (where I live) we will use the custom firmware to play all the games pirated. We don't care about official firmware here when the real game costs $49 and the pirated games are free to download. There are even pirated games DVD all over the place, usually cost $2-$4

90% of game stores here all offer modding service and will mod your stuff right out of the box with waranty if you choose to.

Let's see if Sony if really take action here. They did nothing for the PSP hack.

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LoL
I'm from middle east and believe me
if ps3 game cost was 49$ than I'll not buy pirate game
but.....
ps3 game cost is about 90$~ ( they always double the price >...< )
( I buy MGS4 COD GH5 ...etc for 85$~ each >....< )


Edited, Jan 27th 2010 12:20pm by Greeeed
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I can imagine lol. FFXIII was $90 here. Normal edition.

Other games tho, not that much different from the US price.

Edited, Jan 27th 2010 5:48am by jpenguin
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(as far as I know my PS3 has no Security center e.g. Norton)


This is the clue that indicates the poster has no idea what the article is really saying.
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(as far as I know my PS3 has no Security center e.g. Norton)


This is the clue that indicates the poster has no idea what the article is really saying.


I read the article and believe I came away with the jist of what the article says, and what cracking open the PS3 is capable of now, I just don't think you grasped my point on what type of scenarios it could open up in the future.


from what I can ascertain, prior to this the only way you could get a PS3 to access/read/process information or vise versa, was thru software that SONY and their developers had written, http://geohotps3.blogspot.com/ now that's all been changed.

vist - psDevWiki.

If this guy wanted to spend the time doing it, he could write software that can access your PS3 and do... I guess what ever any hacker does if he gets past your PC's security center.

*I can't vouch for everyone that uses PS3, but I for one don't browse the web or play internet based games on my system through the security of my PC's Fire wall or security center, so what's to stop someone if they had the inclination, and my PS3 isn't secured.

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the 8th SPU disable is s/w based...so if yours happens to work, your PS3 gets more powerful

Cell is widely regarded as a challenging environment for software development. IBM provides a comprehensive Linux-based Cell development platform to assist developers in confronting these challenges

This is a good article for what it means for the less technical. A good more technical writeup is here.

and I leave you with this windexy ~ what ever the mind of man can conceive, It can achieve!





Edited, Jan 28th 2010 4:10pm by Darkpsychosis
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I think those were all software hacks, apparently this is a Hardware issue which means the games systems them self would have to be modified, not just a patch to brick it up.
no, go google "<insert system here> mod-chip". From a software perspective, I know someone who runs a linux 360 with emulated normal 360 software and a modified uplink to a 1tb HD. People have been taking apart wii's and completely rewriting/modifying everything to do stuff ranging from pirating, to homebrew emu, to 3D gaming, and science experiments.




Once again: you're over reacting, this means nothing for FFXIV.
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Console hacks and computer hacks are apples and oranges. Maybe you should learn the difference before trying to incite panic?
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Console hacks and computer hacks are apples and oranges. Maybe you should learn the difference before trying to incite panic?


they're not apples and oranges, and I'd suggest You learn the difference before trying to correct someone...


This atricle was written LONG before the crack in the PS3

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Ah it seems some companies are having the same idea as me, consoles might well be the next infection vector for zombie style botnets, they have good processing power, the current generation has ample hard-drive space and they are network connected.

The difference with consoles is they tend to be turned off when not in use unlike PCs which are quite often left on.

Still, infecting a few million PS3s could be a great attack mechanism – so the latest update for the PS3 is web filtering, the first step towards security software for consoles.

Sony has integrated a website filter into its latest PlayStation 3 firmware. But while use of the utility is optional and, for now, free, neither the console giant nor its security partner, Trend Micro, are saying how much they’ll demand from user whene the free-use period ends next April.

Trend claimed the site blocker, which is part of PS3 firmware version 2.0, posted last week, is the world’s first global internet security service games console.

If users choose to activate the filtering service, which is accessed through the PS3’s internet browser, they must select a password. If a blocked website is then accessed, users can enter their password to view the site.

Trend’s service is free to use until April 2008, it said. Bizarrely, however, it was unable to say how much it will demand PS3 owners cough up after that date if they want to carry on using the service, perhaps to keep inappropriate content away from their kids.


It’ll be interesting to see how much it costs when it stops being free, and what the uptake is like percentage wise. I have a feeling it’ll be very low.

so apparently there is security software available out for the exact ting I was commenting on... guess I should check to see if I ever turned it on and If it's current.

I guess I'm the type that would rather think forward and try and spot potential problems to be addressed Before they negatively effect me, and get others Input - as opposed to the person with there head In the sand telling everyone to "Sit down and shut up, every things fine..."
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Now PS3 has one more function added to the already long list – that’s cracking passwords. Crack passwords is not a ‘new’ activity in computing world, but what makes PlayStation 3 stands above the crowd is that it can crack passwords using ‘brute force’ attempt (wild guessing) faster than ever before, thanks to PS3 powerful Cell processor chip. The speed monster Cell CPU makes cracking passwords
    100 times faster than the pace that Intel
hardware is capable of.


Sydney Morning Herald reported that a security researcher named Nick Breese used a PS3 to crack supposedly strong eight-character passwords used to protect PDF documents, ZIP files, Lotus Notes ID, as well as those produced by Microsoft Office
in hours instead of days typically, as demonstrated by previous attempts to crack such passwords took days to get the same result. A powerful Intel chip could crank through 10-15 million cycles per second. While the architecture of the Cell processor meant it could speed through 1.4 billion cycles per second. This speed boost was possible because each Cell chip had several processing cores – each one of which could be effectively trying passwords at the same time.

PlayStation 3 can also be used to break basic encryption schemes, Breese says, although widely used ciphers such as the 128-bit Secure Sockets Layer (SSL), used to protect online banking transactions, remain safe. “It’ll speed up the attacks but I can’t see that it’s broken,” he says. “(It) is still safe because the people implementing the ciphers foresaw CPU power rapidly increasing.” And, many other password types are handled more securely in software
and remain unaffected by Breese’s claimed speed increase.

and this is all before the master code “root key” for the PS3 console is even leaked!


let's see a linux 360 with emulated normal 360 software and a modified uplink to a 1tb HD do that

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let's see a linux 360 with emulated normal 360 software and a modified uplink to a 1tb HD do that
I don't see why not. In fact, I'm sure you could make a PC currently that would do it even faster, but you're still missing the point: you're over reacting, this means nothing for FFXIV.

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you're over reacting, this means nothing for FFXIV.
seems to be a reoccurring them to every ones post here...

Hmmm. I don't know...

Until SE releases a statement Guaranteeing 100% that the PSN and Square-Enix Account System is "Uncrackable" and that no one can use their own master code to gain access to their own encryption server side , I'll still have my doubts, even if most of XIV's data will be kept on SE's side of the servers.

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This website was found executing malicious code that downloads a program (a trojan virus) to your computer without your knowledge. This trojan searches for your PlayOnline account # and password. When located it then transfers the information to a yet unknown source. Once the code was discovered, it was quickly fixed by the websites admins. This problem should be fixed at this time, but you should still take the proper steps to make sure your account and PC are safe. Be sure to tell you friends and linkshell members of this also so that they may take the proper steps.
If you have visited this website within the last month, please be sure to double check the integrity of your PC and then change your PlayOnline password. (Note: Changing your password before making sure your PC is not infected doesn't insure the integrity of your account.)
www. somepage .com :
Like above, this website was found executing malicious code that downloads a program (a trojan virus) to your computer without your knowledge. This trojan searches for your PlayOnline account # and password. When located it then transfers the information to a yet unknown source. Unlike the other website however, this problem has not been fixed! Please, stop using this website and advise your friends and linkshell to do the same.
This website hasn't been updated since September, so we cannot pin point how long this website. Because of this, I advise that if you have visited this website within the last year (the website hasn't had major updates in over 9 months -- so a year should be sufficient) please be sure to double check the integrity of your PC and then change your PlayOnline password. (Note: Changing your password before making sure your PC is not infected doesn't insure the integrity of your account.)
http:// wiki. ffxiclopedia .org/wiki/Main_Page :
This website has been noted for performing "illegal operations" that suggest that you restart your browser, when using Firefox. Because of the possibility of there being an infection, I have decided to list it at this time. There is nothing confirmed about this website being infected, however please take precaution when visiting it.


Simply because I relied on my PS3 to check on a quest or a MAP to get to a camp or to see if my arrows sold...
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This news doesn't make the PS3 any more unsecure than using a PC to play FFXIV. Building a trojan to get into the PS3 is still going to be vastly more difficult than building one to get into a PC. From my understanding the guy who hacked his own PS3 had to do a lot of things directly to his PS3, things that are unlikely to be able to be done remotely.

If you're really worried about your account being hacked then get one of those RSA encryption key fobs to use for logging into your account.
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If you're really worried about your account being hacked then get one of those RSA encryption key fobs to use for logging into your account.


I will say reading Osarion, Goblin in Disguise's post FFXIV Interview Compilation put some of my fears at ease, but I was hoping we'd see an official release, or at the very least Nobauki Kumoto post here saying
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Dengeki - Interview with Tanaka and Komoto - Sep 10, 2009
* Accessories like Belts and Necklaces will be visible in XIV. Possibly even rings
* Seamless zones in XIV the size of a region in XI
* Monsters will not chase you across the entire zone
* Weapons can be drawn in town
* Devs want to implement weather into XIV and have it have an effect (as of yet unknown) on players
* Dev team is considering making positioning in battle effective in different ways
* Aetheryte are planned to be a sort of replacement for the Moghouse
* How chocobos will be utilized is not yet decided
* Komoto mentions that a previous announcement of voiceovers for every cutscene was an overstatement. Voiceovers will be on major cutscenes
* Weapon decay is designed to be a major connection between crafter classes and other classes
* Failed attempts at armor/weapon repair will not result in the loss of the item
* Crafters will be able to customize gear
* Crafters will have very minor fighting abilities
* The amount of guildleves a player can initiate are limited by a set amount of time. Players can help others with theirs, however
* SE has an interest in having official Offline events
* The Security Token will be used, but not required
* Control layout will be very similar to FFXI
* Window and Text size are not able to be changed, but there are plans to allow for it
* FFXIV will be able to be windowed
* Characters will have a wider range of motions and emotes than FFXI



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Building a trojan to get into the PS3 is still going to be vastly more difficult than building one to get into a PC.


but to think no one would build on one based on that is naive in my opinion, considering RMT generated close to $90,000,000.00 from Sept.05'~ Feb.08' for MMO's in itself would be cause for alarm for just this.

I'm sure there are plenty of unemployed game programmers just dying to get a part of that action... and plenty of Black market groups willing to pay a % of $30,000,000.00 a year for access to more of it.

even more so If they have a beef with SE or Sony.
but lacked the resources (i.e someone smarter than they were) to get into the root key within the CELL itself.
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#33 Jan 30 2010 at 1:54 AM Rating: Good
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Frankly put, you don't know what you're talking about. This isn't like he hacked into the ps3 mainframe and can now hack into anybody else's ps3 through the power of the internet and steal their information. This is like he hacked the ps3 and can now run pirated games on it and unlock the 8th core of the cell processor.

This has no effect on FFXIV. This has no effect on your PS3 if you don't plan to make use of it yourself. You're being paranoid and you're misunderstanding over half the things you're reading.
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#34 Jan 30 2010 at 11:54 AM Rating: Default
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Deadgye
Frankly put, you don't know what you're talking about. This isn't like he hacked into the ps3 mainframe and can now hack into anybody else's ps3 through the power of the internet and steal their information. This is like he hacked the ps3 and can now run pirated games on it and unlock the 8th core of the cell processor.

This has no effect on FFXIV. This has no effect on your PS3 if you don't plan to make use of it yourself. You're being paranoid and you're misunderstanding over half the things you're reading.
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frankly speaking, I hope your right and no one really dedicates them self to this..
but for only 8 days out and even I could find this:

Linux on the PlayStation 3
How to Turn Your PlayStation 3 Into a Linux PC
PC to PS3 Media Streaming (DLNA) Thread
modchip
Yellow Dog Linux 6.2
ubuntu
ImgBurn

psDevWiki.
This
How to write a Linux virus in 5 easy steps
Ultimate Linux Keylogger - Uberkey

Linux Remote Desktop Client
RSS and Atom information
feeds

How to Set up a Simple Website








Edited, Jan 30th 2010 5:36pm by Darkpsychosis
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CaitsithDarkpsychosis
Never Underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups
Fear fosters frustration; frustration grows into anger; anger leads to hatred;hatred generates violence and violence sometimes soothes.Enjoy the moment!

#35 Feb 01 2010 at 2:25 PM Rating: Good
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Deadgye wrote:
Frankly put, you don't know what you're talking about. This isn't like he hacked into the ps3 mainframe and can now hack into anybody else's ps3 through the power of the internet and steal their information. This is like he hacked the ps3 and can now run pirated games on it and unlock the 8th core of the cell processor.


Actually it's not even that. He just revealed a (rather complicated) exploit which will allow others to develop hacks, expected to allow homebrew applications and pirated software to run ("unlocking the 8th core" is not likely, but getting into that would be a tangent). Whatever the case, you're correct in that no one will be connecting to other PS3s and stealing account/CC info. As of now, nothing has come from the exploit yet, and it's actually limited in some technical respects which might prevent larger-scale hacks from happening. Whatever might happen, don't expect the PS3-hacking scene to really be full steam ahead until well after FFXIV's release, and further, don't expect it to have much if any impact at all on FFXIV itself.
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