Seriously, STOP trying to act as if jobs in FFXI are in any way more complex than Aion, Age of Conan, LotRO, or even WoW. They aren't, and trying to delude yourselves into thinking they are are sad. You know why you did well in WoW when you had to sit? Because the UI was a **** of a lot more user friendly than FFXI's. Text menus are archaic. They're pointless, show lack of imagination, and a serious dose of laziness in the design department and ultimately feel like you're playing Dragon Quest I online with FF references. White Mage is no more difficult to grasp than Priest from WoW. Both heal, both have a HoT, and both have dispel options. The only difference is, one is displayed as to be immediately evident to the player how to place the ability somewhere where it is easily accessible. FFXI doesn't.
First of all, taking my quote out of context and attacking something I never explicitly said may make you look really clever, but to me, it just seems like you're trying to pick a fight because YOU are the one whining and ******** that people don't like WoW. You're honestly no different than any FFXI fan who degrades WoW for what you say about FFXI, so don't think you've all of a sudden won some war of WoW vs. FF, because you haven't. Some of us actually prefer a game where there aren't tons of 13 year old brats running around and "pwning noobs" because the user interface is EASY, no matter how you want to word it.
Hate WoW all you want. Curse it, call it stupid, but the fact of the matter is it continues to do well. "Popular != good!" You know, that would work if we're talking about fast food (which is convenient in a rushed world) versus gaming (where people DO NOT PLAY if they're not having fun). I don't know about others, but I don't play the game if I don't enjoy it; apparently the exodus from FFXI around WoW's launch followed the same principle. FFXI slowly, slowly, declines while WoW has reached a plateau in its growth and slowly grows now instead of the massive bursts. -- that however may change, due to China's refusal accept Wrath of the Lich King expansion due to all the undeath references --
Second of all, I do not HATE WoW. In fact, my feeling towards WoW is pretty neutral, but my opinions on the gameplay are not positive and that's my opinion. Popular absolutely does not always = good because that, too, is an opinion. Just because Spider-Man 3 pulled in the most money out of all superhero movies doesn't mean it was the best. There is a lot that goes into making a game popular, and despite what you obviously believe, it's not just the content of the game. WoW is a lot like fast food, so thanks for the metaphor. Just because people like to eat McDonald's doesn't make it healthy, and just because people play WoW doesn't mean it is a GOOD game.
I think it's so funny reading about people crying and whinging and ******** about WoW as to why FFXIV may actually be more successful in comparison to FFXI. Blizzard knows when to listen, and when to not, to the playerbase concerning changes in the game. Sometimes they make mistakes, like all game developers, and will fix those mistakes. The difference of versus Square-Enix versus Blizzard? They actually give a **** enough to communicate with you and can man up to their mistakes. In FFXI you're just a filthy idiot, paying to experience THEIR dream and vision, and your enjoyment of it is entirely irrelevant. I seriously doubt that will change in FFXIV, and that will ultimately be the deciding factor if the game becomes a rousing success or merely something off to the side. This isn't the early 2000s where there was only a handful of MMO titles and SE didn't have to go to far lengths to keep their players because the brand name would carry (they knew it would). It's 2010 and SE can either smarten up and realize they're an underdog and actually put some effort into the game, or fall to the wayside and watch as FFXIV players leave to go back to FFXI or to other games.
I honestly don't care if FFXIV is more successful than FFXI, so pulling this into your little tirade in direct conflict with my quote is also out of place. I'm talking about what I want to see and what I don't want to see in FFXIV. Whether that means pulling a bad example from WoW, AoC, or even FFXI is of little consequence to me. I have bashed FFXI many times in my day because it's not perfect, so you can stop defending your girlfriend of an MMO so vehemently to me because it's nothing personal.
Also, calling people filthy idiots because they have different taste than you doesn't really give you any credibility. Your argument is so one-sided I'm not even offended at the fact you're getting off-topic. I only want to obliterate WoW for the specific reasons I cited, and it was really more of a joke than truth (if you weren't so in love with the game, maybe you'd have noticed). To be honest, I love having WoW around because it keeps the douche players out of the games I like to play. I don't want SE to sell out like WoW because I ENJOY playing a game where not every single person cries about something until they get their way. That is my main point. I am saying I don't WANT SE to target the entire world of people like WoW has done because I have a better experience without them doing so. I enjoyed the target audience that was achieved with FFXI, and although I know it won't be exactly the same, I don't want it to change so drastically that I'm no longer comfortable playing an MMO. This is JUST a personal preference I felt someone else was also expressing, NOT something I am saying needs to be felt by everyone.
The original post I was addressing in the first place was about not being MAINSTREAM, not about whether or not WoW sucks compared to FFXI, so why don't you read more of the thread before you go trying to tear down an argument no one is making. I am saying if I wanted a mainstream game that caters to the masses, I'd play WoW. But, as it so happens, I don't. I am truly happy that many people have found a game that suits them, and that's exactly what some of us are trying to do with FXIV, if that's okay with you.
But does your tantrum make you feel better?