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#1 Feb 01 2010 at 1:21 PM Rating: Decent
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Ok so it's Febuary...does anyone know when they are going to announce who the Windows Beta testers are? Sorry if this has been answered already. Im new to these forums.

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#2 Feb 01 2010 at 1:22 PM Rating: Excellent
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There's been no info on the matter.
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#3 Feb 01 2010 at 1:29 PM Rating: Decent
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Hopefully it will be soon if they are still shooting for a 2010 release...
#4 Feb 01 2010 at 2:04 PM Rating: Good
My thoughts from another thread:

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The game will come out in 2010, and after Final Fantasy XIII which is scheduled for spring of the same year. Beta plans are still being finalized, but that the plan is to have a longer beta period than that of FFXI (which had a beta of about 3-4 months).


From the E3 2009 IGN interview.


I think from this, we can assume that, if XIV is coming out as late as December, with a beta period of LONGER than 4 months, the latest we could expect to wait for the Beta is July. Assuming the beta lasts 5 months. If the beta lasts longer, we could see it earlier than July. Possibly much sooner if the game is scheduled to be released earlier than December.
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I'd expect it to start very soon after FFXIII's release, likely from pressure under the marketing department to wait. The previous statement is 100% conjecture.

Edited, Feb 1st 2010 3:33pm by TraumaFox
#6 Feb 01 2010 at 2:42 PM Rating: Decent
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Makes perfect sense
#7 Feb 01 2010 at 2:45 PM Rating: Good
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who knows. It's been quiet for over a month so we will get something. Whether a gameplay video or something like who knows.
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Beta will start between Vana-Fest (02/28) and FFXIII Release (03/09)
and then goes on 5-6 months beta test
final products come out around Halloween (end of October)

my prediction is always wrong, but you can quote me lol
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My guess is February 16th, because I believe that's the day that Vanafest in japan takes place. Yes, there will probably be many more ffxi-related announcements, BUT, I do see them potentially giving away beta codes to attendees and more concrete details on ffxiv (Afterall, S-E has explicitly stated that they are targeting fans of ffxi with ffxiv).
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What's up with your obsession of being quoted?


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My guess is February 16th, because I believe that's the day that Vanafest in japan takes place. Yes, there will probably be many more ffxi-related announcements, BUT, I do see them potentially giving away beta codes to attendees and more concrete details on ffxiv (Afterall, S-E has explicitly stated that they are targeting fans of ffxi with ffxiv).


i thought it was held on Feb 28th in Japan, or there is one in US too?
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#12 Feb 01 2010 at 4:57 PM Rating: Decent
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i thought it was held on Feb 28th in Japan, or there is one in US too?


It is the 28TH. I expect that is when the Beta will begin. I am also thinking that it will last untill late august, and be released in early September. Just a guess though.
#13 Feb 01 2010 at 5:54 PM Rating: Good
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TraumaFox wrote:
I'd expect it to start very soon after FFXIII's release, likely from pressure under the marketing department to wait. The previous statement is 100% conjecture.

Edited, Feb 1st 2010 3:33pm by TraumaFox


This is a VERY good thought.

Figure that beta testers LOVE the FF franchise, they don't want FFXIV to interfere with 13 sales, and playing 13 to interfere with actual testing.
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#14 Feb 01 2010 at 10:54 PM Rating: Decent
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I reckon there might be a site update close to 2/28 so that they can get people talking and generate some real buzz for their event. I would expect some form of beta information to be released at the event as well.
#15 Feb 01 2010 at 11:57 PM Rating: Decent
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I wouldn't expect any invites going out to non-Japanese players for quite a while. During the balancing and adjusting stages of alpha and early beta, recognizable feedback is key for the developers. I assume few if any of the developers speak fluent English. It wouldn't make sense for QA to attempt to translate any and all world bugs when you can get general feedback from the Japanese testers in the dev's native tongue.

I think we will start getting a few invitations near the end of closed beta when the localization teams are working on making sure the translations to the other languages (English, German, French) are clean and well understood. A small team of NA players would be able to run through all the basic functions and menus in a matter of days. The rest of the language cleanup could take place in open beta.

Basically, I don't expect to get an invitation till the stress tests of open beta, but I hope I am wrong.
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I assume few if any of the developers speak fluent English. It wouldn't make sense for QA to attempt to translate any and all world bugs when you can get general feedback from the Japanese testers in the dev's native tongue.



I'd be willing to put money on more than a few developers being able to speak better English than many of their native English speaking customers.
#17 Feb 02 2010 at 1:24 AM Rating: Default
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Square Enix hasn't stated that the beta will be starting at the same time for Japan, Europe and NA have they?

I believe that the Japanese portion of the beta has already started because Square Enix isn't going to combine Japanese and English on the same test server, they're going to keep the languages seperated for the beta testing. They'll probably combine combine the English testing server with the Japanese testing server for stress testing and/or open beta. Square Enix is probably waiting for data and whatnot from the Japanese beta testing until they launch the English beta testing server. There was the beta lottery code that was in the packaging of FF13 for the PS3 beta and we know that Japan gets to test for the PS3 ffxiv beta on day 1. Maybe only the Japanese PS3 beta has started? There's just not that many high end gaming computers in Japan but maybe SE will combine the few of those computers with the PS3 crowd.
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Square Enix hasn't stated that the beta will be starting at the same time for Japan, Europe and NA have they?

I believe that the Japanese portion of the beta has already started because Square Enix isn't going to combine Japanese and English on the same test server, they're going to keep the languages seperated for the beta testing. They'll probably combine combine the English testing server with the Japanese testing server for stress testing and/or open beta. Square Enix is probably waiting for data and whatnot from the Japanese beta testing until they launch the English beta testing server. There was the beta lottery code that was in the packaging of FF13 for the PS3 beta and we know that Japan gets to test for the PS3 ffxiv beta on day 1. Maybe only the Japanese PS3 beta has started? There's just not that many high end gaming computers in Japan but maybe SE will combine the few of those computers with the PS3 crowd.


I personally dont think that beta in Japan has started yet. If that was true then we would have heared or seen some postings about it on the japanese ffxiv community sites. I think they are still working with creating the fundamentals of the game and I would not be surprised if the beta would be delayed until the end of March.

PS. Just check SWTOR, currently delayed until spring 2011 if not even more Oo

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#19 Feb 02 2010 at 11:44 AM Rating: Decent
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Ummm... the JP community sites are stuck abiding to the NDA too. I'm not saying info won't be leaked, only that I doubt it will be though JP community sites at this time. It's very possible Beta has begun right now and we don't know it because we weren't selected to test. I'm almost certain SE will announce something about the status during the Tokyo fan fest. By something, I mean a hint that Beta has started, not an official statement. SE likes to keep us guessing, but they do give clues.

Beta is expected to last more than 4 months for FFXIV according to SE. That means FFXIV will have to go into Beta no later than May or by E3 to launch in 2010. FFXIV could always get delayed(like Star Wars just did), but until we have information to confirm this, I think it's best to wait until E3 at the latest before we worry.
#20 Feb 02 2010 at 12:14 PM Rating: Default
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I don't think you break the NDA by saying the beta has started and nothing else or ?
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Maldavian wrote:
I don't think you break the NDA by saying the beta has started and nothing else or ?


Basically, the NDA says that if you're selected for the beta, you can't tell anyone at all that you are a part of it. As the wording states right now, you can't even tell anyone you were a part of it after the beta is over. Squenix may lift that portion after everything is said and done, but noone will know until it happens. Saying or posting that it has started implies that you are in the beta, so yeah, probably not allowed. If you were to find information on a website saying that the beta has started and you posted a link, that would be different, but still skirting the edge, as it may put suspicion on you. Squenix representatives do visit this site, along with BlueGartr, and many of the other community forums. Anyone who posts anything at these sites about the beta places themselves under suspicion of breaking the NDA, and would be wise to think twice about doing so.
#22 Feb 02 2010 at 2:56 PM Rating: Good
Maldavian wrote:
KeeperOfTheStaff wrote:
Square Enix hasn't stated that the beta will be starting at the same time for Japan, Europe and NA have they?

I believe that the Japanese portion of the beta has already started because Square Enix isn't going to combine Japanese and English on the same test server, they're going to keep the languages seperated for the beta testing. They'll probably combine combine the English testing server with the Japanese testing server for stress testing and/or open beta. Square Enix is probably waiting for data and whatnot from the Japanese beta testing until they launch the English beta testing server. There was the beta lottery code that was in the packaging of FF13 for the PS3 beta and we know that Japan gets to test for the PS3 ffxiv beta on day 1. Maybe only the Japanese PS3 beta has started? There's just not that many high end gaming computers in Japan but maybe SE will combine the few of those computers with the PS3 crowd.


I personally dont think that beta in Japan has started yet. If that was true then we would have heared or seen some postings about it on the japanese ffxiv community sites. I think they are still working with creating the fundamentals of the game and I would not be surprised if the beta would be delayed until the end of March.

PS. Just check SWTOR, currently delayed until spring 2011 if not even more Oo



I can see having different beta test groups based on region as well, but it doesn't make sense to have the JP and NA beta start at different times. SE has stated they're working on the different versions simultaneously (and will also be released simultaneously).

I also would not be at all surprised if the beta doesn't start until at least the end of march.

Also, SWTOR was not delayed. Spring 2011 is their first and only release date announcement. There was no earlier date to delay that from.
#23 Feb 02 2010 at 3:58 PM Rating: Good
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I'd be willing to put money on more than a few developers being able to speak better English than many of their native English speaking customers.


You are right. I really have no idea the extent of their English ability. Maybe they do have good English skills because of the internationalization of the coding/programming interfaces and lexicon, or even as a hobby. Regardless, it might be safer to assume that the director and department heads, who we know have limited English, are wary of any feedback that might go over their head and require the devs to express, causing the feedback to go up the chain of command rather than down. Due to the language barrier and cultural norms in Japan, I just can't imagine any real structure or scenario allowing for significant NA participation early on. I would be interested in hearing some thoughts however.

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Anyone who posts anything at these sites about the beta places themselves under suspicion of breaking the NDA, and would be wise to think twice about doing so.


This, in addition to the burden on the fan sites. I would expect all of these sites with direct contact from SE have been informed of their duty to curb unofficial leaks. SE has been reaching out to the NA sites in regards to FFXI for a while now, and that goodwill has generated a great deal of positive information exchange and actual changes in the game. It would be unfortunate if we lost that trust and our voice due to frequent violations of the NDA by NA players.

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I can see having different beta test groups based on region as well, but it doesn't make sense to have the JP and NA beta start at different times. SE has stated they're working on the different versions simultaneously (and will also be released simultaneously).


That is based on the assumption that there are different versions of the game. Localizing to a particular language doesn't necessitate much programming, just substituting test in the code, so may not be seen as a different "version." I wouldn't assume SE is all of a sudden going to start bringing NA players into the mix just to cater to a particular (and significant) fan base. SE has always been very secretive of their beta testing for FFXI. Most all of it is in-house with part-time employees doing small scale projects. (Check their JP website for year-round employment ads for testers in the Tokyo area.)

I think it is important to realize that SE will insist on building the game the way their directors have visualized it, with little deviation. Once the base game is built and working, bringing in JP players to balance the gameplay and other aspects that the directors intended would seem logical. Then near the end of beta, invite the horde of international players to stress test and publicize. I realize the development of FFXI was different in timeframe (open in JP first, then localized), but there is little reason to believe that SE would change up their pattern for releasing practically all their large-scale games.

#24 Feb 02 2010 at 6:42 PM Rating: Decent
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I think it's safe to say that Japan will get a closed beta long before the rest of the world. And yes there will be leaks the second S-E allows testing out of house. It is the nature of human beings. It is quite incorrect to characterize Japanese people as honorable, law abiding samurai who would never even think about breaking an NDA...

All the leaks will find their way to 2chan and they will trickle down to us within hours. It will be painfully obvious when legit information is finally leaked.

On the topic of leaks, yeah somebody would have to be pretty dumb to leak info on one of the non-BG fansites unless they were hiding behind 17 proxies. The first thing the white knights would do is send your IP to S-E with everything you posted. That is another one of those laws of human nature :)
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#26 Feb 02 2010 at 7:49 PM Rating: Default
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Elmer and Pikko havent really post recently
guess they must be having fun with beta!
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#27 Feb 02 2010 at 8:20 PM Rating: Good
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Elmer and Pikko havent really post recently
guess they must be having fun with beta!


Either that or there is actually no new information for them to post about...
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Sorry to disappoint, but I can post that I'm not playing XIV in any phase at all, since I'm not under any NDA yet. :P
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#32 Feb 11 2010 at 3:08 AM Rating: Decent
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Ok, that means next time we ask Pikko if she's in the beta and she says, "I can't tell you," that means she is since she isn't denying it like she is now. :P
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#33 Feb 11 2010 at 9:32 AM Rating: Decent
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Figure that beta testers LOVE the FF franchise, they don't want FFXIV to interfere with 13 sales, and playing 13 to interfere with actual testing.


If SE were smart (a big IF), then wouldn't they accept 50% fans and 50% who didn't like FF at all? So that they can design the game to both capture the FF users and those who never wanted to play FFs.
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Figure that beta testers LOVE the FF franchise, they don't want FFXIV to interfere with 13 sales, and playing 13 to interfere with actual testing.


If SE were smart (a big IF), then wouldn't they accept 50% fans and 50% who didn't like FF at all? So that they can design the game to both capture the FF users and those who never wanted to play FFs.



Only problem I see with this is what happens if the beta tester ends up not liking the game and stops testing?? With a dedicated fan base you will get more participation in the beta. I am pretty sure they will accept non-FF fans as well, but it will be no-where near 50/50 IMO, more like 80/20.
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Figure that beta testers LOVE the FF franchise, they don't want FFXIV to interfere with 13 sales, and playing 13 to interfere with actual testing.


If SE were smart (a big IF), then wouldn't they accept 50% fans and 50% who didn't like FF at all? So that they can design the game to both capture the FF users and those who never wanted to play FFs.



Only problem I see with this is what happens if the beta tester ends up not liking the game and stops testing?? With a dedicated fan base you will get more participation in the beta. I am pretty sure they will accept non-FF fans as well, but it will be no-where near 50/50 IMO, more like 80/20.
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Figure that beta testers LOVE the FF franchise, they don't want FFXIV to interfere with 13 sales, and playing 13 to interfere with actual testing.


If SE were smart (a big IF), then wouldn't they accept 50% fans and 50% who didn't like FF at all? So that they can design the game to both capture the FF users and those who never wanted to play FFs.



Only problem I see with this is what happens if the beta tester ends up not liking the game and stops testing?? With a dedicated fan base you will get more participation in the beta. I am pretty sure they will accept non-FF fans as well, but it will be no-where near 50/50 IMO, more like 80/20.


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There are two things that will ruin a game; one is ignoring your customers, the other is listening to them.


heh, so true.

I think that we will be told by SE once the beta has started though. I also think I remember them saying they will connected, which would make sense as they will need to test things such how lag between people in differant countries will affect gameplay.
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#37 Feb 11 2010 at 5:56 PM Rating: Decent
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Sorry to disappoint, but I can post that I'm not playing XIV in any phase at all, since I'm not under any NDA yet. :P


Pikko lies!

noticed she did not mention Final Fantasy at all, instead she opted only to say XIV, which is 14... because she is in the beta!! she can't say anything about Final Fantasy XIV, but can say XIV because its just a number!
#38 Feb 12 2010 at 3:08 AM Rating: Decent
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I also would not be at all surprised if the beta doesn't start until at least the end of march.


I'd tend to agree with this, it wouldn't surprise me to find rounds of invites stretched over the march to june period.

Either way, I'm looking forward to testing.
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