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#1 Feb 03 2010 at 2:36 AM Rating: Excellent
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Just read this this morning and I had an awful image of FFXIV doing something exactly the same since SE have launched this new Crysta Currency thing.

http://www.massively.com/2010/02/02/star-trek-online-offers-two-new-races-in-online-store/#continued

STO has only launched this month and is carries with it a monthly sub as you probably already know. But now they've done this, I almost bought that game but cancelled when I saw that it was basically a heavilly instanced cluster of bubbles, rather than the expansive space, boldly going adventure they had their spin-doctors spouting.

I'm all for DLC and stores, bot THIS soon? If I was still buying this game I would be so angry with them. Pay all this money to play and be charged more for races that really should have been included from the bloody start. I've also got CO, which is currently broken due to the lag they caused in a not so patchy patch and I'm rather miffed about their recent announcement they are then charging for an expansion, which promises us content in which to level in from 37-40. Content that should be there from the get go since its a grind fest in one area since the only other area available for those levels is...wait for it...broken. Lagmuria is a black hole! People who logged out there can't get back in and are unable to access characters trapped there.

Cryptic/Atari for me are a shady company to start with, but I have to admit since SE announced the Crysta thing, I'm worried.

Are we going to be seeing, as well as a monthly sub, micro transaction stores to boot?
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I'm not a fan of micro transactions at all, but judging by the development team's own distaste for directly using real world money for items, I'm personally not too worried.
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If I have to pay more than a monthly sub to play the full game, I'm going to be ******* It's stupid, and I likely won't play in that event.
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#4 Feb 03 2010 at 2:45 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'm not a fan of micro transactions at all, but judging by the development team's own distaste for directly using real world money for items, I'm personally not too worried.


Yeah, I don't think we're in any trouble of this type of BS happening with SE.

This company knows that Star Trek Online is in very bad shape from the start. They're even offering Lifetime subs for something like $250 or so. Doing this (before the game was released I heard?) would also unlock the Borg race. Disgusting...
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I don't have the link anywhere nearby, but a rough quote of what SE said in an interview:

We are looking at micro-transaction but do not think it will have a place in FFXIV.
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I don't have the link anywhere nearby, but a rough quote of what SE said in an interview:

We are looking at micro-transaction but do not think it will have a place in FFXIV.


I really hope you're right!

I'm no stranger to the whole micro-transaction trend and in some games, Free to Play, they have a place. It at least helps those companies to make money but at the same time you're not forced to contribute, but in a Pay to Play MMO? No. Its just greed and it rewards those with money than sense...I mean skill**

I think the only instance I would use Crysta in FFXIV, is if they used it as a means to purchase expansions, mini or otherwise. I'd trust SE to give us more than three levels worth of content though.

**I am in no way implying that those who play MMOs are more tallented than those who don't :D

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This company knows that Star Trek Online is in very bad shape from the start. They're even offering Lifetime subs for something like $250 or so. Doing this (before the game was released I heard?) would also unlock the Borg race. Disgusting...


Bad shape? Yup!
Lifetime sub was offered while it was in Open Beta. I bet those poor saps who bought that are kicking themselves since now, they'll probably have to pay for every additional feature.

Edited, Feb 3rd 2010 4:06am by akelah
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Cryptic (makers of STO) is such a god-awful MMO company - nothing they do surprises me.
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#8 Feb 03 2010 at 4:01 AM Rating: Excellent
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I don't have the link anywhere nearby, but a rough quote of what SE said in an interview:

We are looking at micro-transaction but do not think it will have a place in FFXIV.


from the Gamescon interview with Tanaka and Sundi:

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As always, the developers oppose the use of micro-transactions to make items sellable. They feel by allowing players to purchase everything they want, they would rack up larger bills, but quit the game faster for lack of anything to strive for. The developers would rather players find lasting enjoyment in the game itself, instead of make a mad dash for treasure and quit soon after.
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Thats some what of a relief, but I must admit, I'm still worried. I do hope that they keep to their word and keep out the cash shop from FFXIV, it would break my heart if they started selling specific coloured Chocobos or items for ones Mog House (should there even be one). Desirable only but still desirable! They should be for everyone who plays and finishes 'X' task.
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Micro-transaction = fail.

Fan satisfaction-wise.
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#11mjv, Posted: Feb 03 2010 at 5:26 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Actualy, I believe I read somewhere that they said, they would only use it to buy gill (as a method of combating RMT) and vanity items that just looked neat and nothing else.
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Uh, hasn't FFXI already went down this route? You can buy 3 (I think) add-ons to the main game. After finishing the quests therein, you get items you can't get anywhere else. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that basically a micro-transaction?

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I wouldn't consider that especially micro. It's somewhere between paying for an expansion and paying $2 for a black chocobo. I don't mind paying for actual content (though having to purchase all those separately, in addition to a security key/mog satchel is pushing it for me).
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Uh, hasn't FFXI already went down this route? You can buy 3 (I think) add-ons to the main game. After finishing the quests therein, you get items you can't get anywhere else. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that basically a micro-transaction?


The mini expansions - while I never got them - aren't so much a problem. Its making things available in game that can only be bought, i.e specific items. In this case yeah, the mog sachel. It seems lately there's a price on everything they add. Why? What gives them the right to do this? Is the trend lately to sucker people in, get them hooked then bleed them dry?

There should be a limit on how much they can charge relative to what they offer. Long running games like FFXI I can understand them pouring out content, the games been going for seven years or so and its heart warming to know while they're making FFXIV they're (so far) not neglecting that which paved the way, but when a game has just been released and in the same month they make DLC or an expansion for you to spend yet more money on, how can we simply let this happen?

I'm not well off, far from it. My one treat each month is my internet access and <insert choosen MMO here> subscription. Money is tight so I'm not wasting what little I have on a sub par game world. I'm waiting now for FFXIV and dabbling in the free to play MMOs out there until that time. But I see news like this and I start to get aprehensive for all the wrong reasons. MMOs should be one of two categories. Free to Play with a cash shop, or Subscription based. They should never have both IMHO and I hope its one shared with most of FFXIV future player base.

As someone has said (cant remember where) I hope that Cryptic fail and go bust. I hope those poor people who purchased lifetime subs for CO and STO will be more careful with their money and I hope when/if it happens, that the rest of the MMO devs out there look back on Cryptics failed system and stay well clear.
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There wasn't really a whole lot that you had to buy in ffxi, over the course of so many years you only had to buy 4 things via micro transactions! Security token which gave you a mog satchel but you really got an amazing deal from this because you can protect your account from getting hacked and 3 mini expansions. Those were the only must buys in my opinion and they were spread out so you only had to use a little pocket change when those options became available. Square Enix isn't going to nickel and dime us where you have to purchase something that costs $10.00 every 2 months. It would be more like $10.00 extra every year or so.

Edited, Feb 3rd 2010 9:01am by KeeperOfTheStaff
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ive been gone from FFXI for years
can anyone tell me what's this mini expansion is about?


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I wont play a game where micro-transactions are required for playing the content. I can however live with micro-transaction for extra nonessential stuff, like a pet or some useless furniture for your Mog house or the like.
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#18 Feb 03 2010 at 9:23 AM Rating: Excellent
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I wont play a game where micro-transactions are required for playing the content. I can however live with micro-transaction for extra nonessential stuff, like a pet or some useless furniture for your Mog house or the like.


Urgh, that's just the sort of thing I'd rather not see. What if I want a pet, but don't want to pay anything more than my sub? What if I want a nice four poster bed? (not that there is going to be a MH from the get go, but I'd rather get MH items from events and deals like the gold pass system) It's just not worth it, not for something that I want and has no use and not for a game I pay monthly for. Things like this should be included and if they're added later they should be mini patches that the sub covers, or an expansion with a lot of other content, or a reward from a system like the afore mentioned gold pass. Making me part with yet more money for something so small?

Nonessential stuff is okay in FTP not in something with a sub.
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I thought it was already stated somewhere that they wouldn't use it for ingame items or anything of the sort? I don't think SE is dumb enough to ruin their mmo by making it microtransactions. If anything they will do it like WoW where you create a simple item or vanity product and have those willing to pay for it to have it.

Server transfers, char renames etc will probably all fall under this... i hope.

Needless to say i'm not worried at all, they aren't dumb. If it becomes micro transaction it will have to be one amazing game to keep most of the FFXI junkies around and i doubt it will come down to that.
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I have to agree, any game I've ever played that had the micro transactions was usually forgettable as far as content or just feeling disconnected from the game. I didn't see the need to spend $xx to have the new flavor of the month item.
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#21 Feb 03 2010 at 11:18 AM Rating: Excellent
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If it's a trend, Cryptic's the driving force behind it.
They did something similar for city of heroes and champion's online by releasing character customization features as purchasable bundles.



Edited, Feb 3rd 2010 12:19pm by Zemzelette
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Only way for people to combat this new trend is to not buy this stuff.
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#23 Feb 03 2010 at 12:41 PM Rating: Good
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They'll always be those few who do buy them though - which is why they'll always provide this stuff. I wish they didn't, or at least I wish there was a watch dog to monitor these exact transactions. Right now the laws when buying provider/game currency/items are really vague as they have no legal obligation to replace such things.

I remember when I paid for some g-potatoes.

I was young and stupid.

I needed a respec and so bought a scroll. A week later every one got a free scroll, untradable. I had already used my tradable one so couldn't even sell it on as a spare later on. I requested a refund of the g-pots and explained why. I just wanted to spend the tokens on something other than the scroll I obviously didn't need, they refused and because of some small print and legal bulls**t they weren't obliged to do so.

I know this is a far cry from anything SE might provide, but companies like Cryptic are starting to test these boundries and I just wish someone could put them in their place. Hopefully their player base will, as there are a lot of unhappy customers, but there are still those who are blinded by fanboi-ism with regards to STO. I swear if I shake my head any more at them, its gonna roll off my shoulders.
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Here is the replies from the current STO fanboi players. Enjoy the read.

http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?t=100709
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STO is a fail game.

Putting race-specific traits on stuff that you have to pay extra for simply means that they have already come to terms with that fact.

Anyone who gave it a chance is now regretting it.
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Wow..reading that thread on STO made me lose hope for humanity.
They are paying 15 a month to play the game and they are willing to pay more money outside of the monthly fee for additional content. Content that should be rewarded for playing the game...

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Wow..reading that thread on STO made me lose hope for humanity.
They are paying 15 a month to play the game and they are willing to pay more money outside of the monthly fee for additional content. Content that should be rewarded for playing the game...


Content that was pulled out of closed beta so they could fix a graphical fault.

More like fix the **** price.

And I know how you feel with the loosing hope thing.
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I'm not sure if I would use micro-transactions for a subscription based MMO or not. I did use them quite a bit in Travian and it was a distinct advantage to do so, but it was a free to play game.

As for the way of the future? Of course it is. Any way they can add more revenue to the game. It might be server transfers, or character name changes, but I can't imagine an MMO going forward without some kind of microtransaction. It certainly stinks but it's hard to part companies from their profits, especially when most of the studios are struggling.
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Wow..reading that thread on STO made me lose hope for humanity.
They are paying 15 a month to play the game and they are willing to pay more money outside of the monthly fee for additional content. Content that should be rewarded for playing the game...


Content that was pulled out of closed beta so they could fix a graphical fault.

More like fix the **** price.

And I know how you feel with the loosing hope thing.


This is where I'm really glad I never put merit into a game based in the Star Trek universe. I never bothered to give this game a second glance after hearing about it from my buddy that manages the local Gamestop. Brushed it off and I'm still looking forward to FFXIV and SWTOR. Maybe if Mortal Online isn't dead that one might be fun too.
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It's always disappointing when it's clear that a company pulled their "additional content" out of their release-ready version of the game, so that they could add it soon afterwards for a charge. It's very shady business practice in my opinion, and I've never subscribed to the idea that "it's justified because people will pay the charge".

Akelah, if you're looking for a decent space-themed MMO, I think EVE is the only place to go. Monthly charge, but no fees for additional content, not even expansions. Plus, no instances, and one world server for all players.

(Y'know, I sound like an EVE rep for the amount of time I spend harping about that game. And I don't even play it anymore.)

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I tried EVE but I just couldn't get into it. Seemed incredibly boring.
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#33 Feb 03 2010 at 4:54 PM Rating: Good
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The mini expansions - while I never got them - aren't so much a problem. Its making things available in game that can only be bought, i.e specific items. In this case yeah, the mog sachel. It seems lately there's a price on everything they add.


I didn't buy the satchel, I bought a security token that came with an in-game item reward for taking the extra step and securing my account. You are using a bad example, Tidal Talisman would of been a better choice.
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I tried EVE but I just couldn't get into it. Seemed incredibly boring.


It sure can be. It's the reason that I quit as well. But, as is the case with many games, when I was in witrh a good corporatrion (guild) things were fast, fluid, and fun.
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I tried EVE but I just couldn't get into it. Seemed incredibly boring.


It sure can be. It's the reason that I quit as well. But, as is the case with many games, when I was in witrh a good corporatrion (guild) things were fast, fluid, and fun.


Being with a good group of people who you can relate with is just as important as the game having enjoyable content in an MMO IMO

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I didn't buy the satchel, I bought a security token that came with an in-game item reward for taking the extra step and securing my account. You are using a bad example, Tidal Talisman would of been a better choice.


I probably did, but I don't know enough about that feature to be honest, I left FFXI before it was introduced. I still, kinda don't agree with how they have made it available to only those who paid for this security token thing though. I mean, I would pay to make my account more secure, after pouring a good amount of my time/money/love into my girl, its a safe bet, the risk of loosing her is incentive enough, so why throw in a pitch like the mog sachel?

Surely the only thing people should be buying in this instance is peace of mind? I realise that, yes maybe the added extra was to make the deal sweeter which would encourage more players to have this higher security, and yeah it works. Its literally like a two-for-one and your not actually buying the unlock code for this item. They've got the balance right - so yeah, bad example. I'm not familiar with the Talisman however...
#37 Feb 03 2010 at 5:51 PM Rating: Good
The Tidal Talisman was sold through their online store..can't remember the price, but it also gave you an in-game tidal talisman that could be used to warp you or you entire party to various cities depending on where you were.

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?fitem=12757
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I don't expect any micro-transactions like this from SE. Most of our new stuff comes from purchasing the expansions and the like. Micro-transactions works for free games or dlc for consoles. If this translates to mmo's, imma quit.
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#39 Feb 03 2010 at 7:11 PM Rating: Good
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Man, after having my proverbial internet a$$ ripped on the other thread it's refreshing to be among people with common sense. I mean I can at least justify the add-content because you got a story line mission with an item that was the reward or even the tidal tailsman because you get a RL pendant that I hang up in my car. But to just pay money for an in-game item that should have come free with updates, that a whole different level.

I think STO is fun for now but I know I'll drop it quick when FFXIV comes.
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Yes, because we don't have any fanboyism here. No siree.


Just wait until someone talks trash about XIV, then we will go ******* like STO-members haha
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WHAT DID YOU SAY ABOUT FFXIV!?!?!?!?!?

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Yes, because we don't have any fanboyism here. No siree.



Just wait until someone talks trash about XIV, then we will go apesh*t like STO-members haha


I think it's more of the fact that the final fantasy MMO community is not used to being spoon fed everything in their game. Most other communities (as depicted in that STO thread) would jump at the idea of getting cool stuff while putting no work into it whatsoever. Even if it means paying for a couple bucks.

This forum seems to have people with more "common sense" because we understand what it means to actually PLAY a game, instead of the game being played for you. Its also the same reason why most other communities hate FFXI and think it's "too hard". lol...
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#44 Feb 03 2010 at 10:57 PM Rating: Good
For vanity items, sure. If it ever came down to a situation where you could gear a character without having to participate in the content just because you have some extra cash lying around, that would be a problem. It doesn't seem like SE is supportive of the idea of allowing character progression to be bought and paid for with real money, so I'm not all that concerned. Vanity items are vanity items...if someone wants to spend $5-20 on a pet, piece of furniture, or zero-stat clothing for their character, I say have fun. Those are not the kinds of things I place so much personal emphasis on that I would feel like I was missing out if I didn't feel like spending the money. I understand that some people really enjoy those things and might feel left out, but at the end of the day your gameplay experience will still be the same as everyone else...they might just have prettier things to look at that will be functionally useless in your next party with them.
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Urgh, that's just the sort of thing I'd rather not see. What if I want a pet, but don't want to pay anything more than my sub? What if I want a nice four poster bed? (not that there is going to be a MH from the get go, but I'd rather get MH items from events and deals like the gold pass system) It's just not worth it, not for something that I want and has no use and not for a game I pay monthly for. Things like this should be included and if they're added later they should be mini patches that the sub covers, or an expansion with a lot of other content, or a reward from a system like the afore mentioned gold pass. Making me part with yet more money for something so small?

Nonessential stuff is okay in FTP not in something with a sub.


Indeed. Also, by making "vanity items" simply available for purchase, it disallows or preempts actual content whereby you could have acquired them.

E.g.: making that bed available via RMT negates what could have been a cool quest line, culminating in that nice reward, it could have been a rare recipe, it could have been some crazy NM's drop; instead, it's just $3.50.
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People who say they hate micro-transactions still partake in them because they want in-game items. If that is the only way people can get those items they'll pay the money. The developers of MMOs know this and therefore they do microtransactions to bleed more money out of players.

The only way to combat this is to never purchase them. My husband and I got the first mini-expansion pack for FFXI and when we finished it we asked ourselves what the heck had we just bought for USD $20? It was simply an extra quest that should have been in a regular patch, not something players had to pay money for.

The security token I can understand as that is an actual item they send to you but the mog satchel should have been available in game through quests.

We've been playing STO and we're absolutely not getting any of the microtransactions and recommending to everyone else not to get them either. The moment they start adding game breaking things in the transactions, not just visual enhancements, we quit. They've already gotten close with the races.
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#47 Feb 04 2010 at 12:00 AM Rating: Good
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People who say they hate micro-transactions still partake in them because they want in-game items. If that is the only way people can get those items they'll pay the money. The developers of MMOs know this and therefore they do microtransactions to bleed more money out of players.

The only way to combat this is to never purchase them. My husband and I got the first mini-expansion pack for FFXI and when we finished it we asked ourselves what the heck had we just bought for USD $20? It was simply an extra quest that should have been in a regular patch, not something players had to pay money for.

The security token I can understand as that is an actual item they send to you but the mog satchel should have been available in game through quests.

We've been playing STO and we're absolutely not getting any of the microtransactions and recommending to everyone else not to get them either. The moment they start adding game breaking things in the transactions, not just visual enhancements, we quit. They've already gotten close with the races.


Same here. I take a strong stance against microtransactions. If it even comes close to treading on my ability to play the game, I'll be out of the game to make that point. I think that players have to think long term here. This isn't something that most of us want to see take over the industry, though many people seem to think that we're resigned to that fate.

It just takes a small dent in profits to make the gaming industry see otherwise. More players need to fight this stuff, if not for now, but to send a message for the future of gaming, too.

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#48 Feb 04 2010 at 12:06 AM Rating: Default
I am fine with micro-transactions for items that have no effect on the game itself, but Cryptic is going beyond that, especially with Champions Online, where they are even charging for new zones and needed content.
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For vanity items, sure. If it ever came down to a situation where you could gear a character without having to participate in the content just because you have some extra cash lying around, that would be a problem. It doesn't seem like SE is supportive of the idea of allowing character progression to be bought and paid for with real money, so I'm not all that concerned. Vanity items are vanity items...if someone wants to spend $5-20 on a pet, piece of furniture, or zero-stat clothing for their character, I say have fun. Those are not the kinds of things I place so much personal emphasis on that I would feel like I was missing out if I didn't feel like spending the money. I understand that some people really enjoy those things and might feel left out, but at the end of the day your gameplay experience will still be the same as everyone else...they might just have prettier things to look at that will be functionally useless in your next party with them.


The best thing about FF I think is that the 'fluff' stuff is player produced via crafting and that's what I would rather see in FFXIV - rather than in some crummy store. It just adds a whole different angle, more to do and its more of an immersion. The player driven economy is what makes a MMO good. With FFXIV they've already hinted that crafters can make their own kind of style when it comes to the things they make, probably an enhanced version of how the sigs worked in FFXI.

#50 Feb 04 2010 at 4:20 AM Rating: Decent
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Cryptic sure is making money with that C-store... And SE wants money.

Glad to see FFXIV player base are taking an opposite stand compare to those STO's
#51 Feb 04 2010 at 9:49 AM Rating: Decent
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the STO fanbase are complete morons for the most part tbh.

All they want are starships that fly around. STO could have launched with weapons all in the c-store and people would defend it.

Whats frustrating is that most of the people that play will defend it to death simply because everyone else "just doesn't like startrek" They seem to think that no one in the world can have an unbiased opinion because it's star trek.

Eve is 1000000x better than this, despite it's skill system.
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