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#1 Feb 04 2010 at 12:31 PM Rating: Default
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I remember in the early days of 11 I had a paperback copy of A guide for FF11. I Started playing when the guide was still relevant, I think it was before the expansions first came out.

Anyway, I liked having the guide, maybe it was just a nostalgic leftover from the pen and paper gaming days of old. It was tangible and shiny.

Do you think 14 will have a paper guide at launch or shortly thereafter?
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#2 Feb 04 2010 at 12:36 PM Rating: Decent
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should search it, i already made a thread about this, but yes, i had the brady guide and was really interesteing having, when being new, i would like to have one for this game, and yes they will have one, what mmo doesnt release a guide upon release?
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#3 Feb 04 2010 at 12:36 PM Rating: Decent
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did you mean the Brady's??
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#4 Feb 04 2010 at 12:36 PM Rating: Decent
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It seems like every month this topic gets posted again... Try to look through old post to find out people's opinions about this.
#5 Feb 04 2010 at 12:38 PM Rating: Decent
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I don't think the OP was talking about the Brady Guide at all. I think they meant the gaming booklet that comes packaged with the game.
#6 Feb 04 2010 at 12:39 PM Rating: Decent
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same thing, a guide is a guide anyway u look at it lol. i also had a zip file with EVERYTHING about the game in it, was crazy
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#7 Feb 04 2010 at 12:44 PM Rating: Good
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mcboxx wrote:
I don't think the OP was talking about the Brady Guide at all. I think they meant the gaming booklet that comes packaged with the game.


I think it's pretty obvious he's not talking about the book that comes with the game. Most likely, the Brady. If he is referencing the Brady guide, he lost all credibility with me for saying it was ever relevant.
#8 Feb 04 2010 at 1:15 PM Rating: Decent
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If he is referencing the Brady guide, he lost all credibility with me for saying it was ever relevant.


oh darn, however will i go on, cruelest fate why must you allow my credibility to be tarnished in the eyes of......some dude.
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#9 Feb 04 2010 at 1:18 PM Rating: Decent
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If he is referencing the Brady guide, he lost all credibility with me for saying it was ever relevant.


oh darn, however will i go on, cruelest fate why must you allow my credibility to be tarnished in the eyes of......some dude.


I lol'd. But yeah, that guide sucked. It was a great coaster, though.
#10 Feb 04 2010 at 3:38 PM Rating: Decent
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While not being familiar with this Brady guide, all I can say is that I never trust any sort of official guide. Player-made guides tend to be more accurate, from what I've experienced.
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#11 Feb 04 2010 at 3:41 PM Rating: Good
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Not just irrelevant, but that guide was also responsible for either creating or at least maintaining the legitimacy of certain bad habits by players who'd rather trust a company that prints the guide once, and never again, or the players dedicated enough to do the math, or experienced enough to know effective methods. I'm of the opinion that you should always trust user written/maintained guides and advice rather than advice written once by a third party company. This is doubly true for MMO's, where the environment changes rapidly, and anything not able to be updated constantly will become incomplete within months, and obsolete soon after.

I'm sure there will be a hard copy of some "all inclusive" guide, because there's money to be made off of people who will trust it. I'm also sure that more effective guides will be released by people who only care about their place in the community, or have a desire to help others.
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#12 Feb 04 2010 at 4:04 PM Rating: Good
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As a Beastmaster I will forever hate that guide with all my heart.



An un-updatable guide for an MMO is pretty worthless anyway, considering the amount of changes that an MMO goes through, especially in its first years.
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#13 Feb 04 2010 at 7:40 PM Rating: Decent
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The Brady Guide really sucks, i bought it coz it was my first FF game and first MMORPG game
i think i paid 10 or 20bucks for it lol
that dude @ GameStop said it would be useful, so I bought it, that guy lied!!! (or i was dumb)


but anyway, The Brady Guide is always for the beginners I assume...

I remembered the one for FFXI... they introduced the 3 kingdoms and walk through for their early missions. a few easy quests, and then the analysis on the 6 basic jobs for the early levels, different guilds and also a brief tutoral on macros and emotes

after I got myself to level 10 and learnt the basic controls, i found it kinda useless.
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#15 Feb 04 2010 at 8:03 PM Rating: Decent
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no u!

Anyways My friend had a FFXI Brady guide, He has the game before me and I saw him play a bit but I wasn't really interested. Then one day he was busy partying or something when I came over and I see the guide then glance and start to read. All the colorful pictures detailed quest and showing how much was in this game piqued my interest and I bought a okish comp and the game.





FFXI Brady's Guide is the reason I play MMO's today.
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#16 Feb 04 2010 at 8:18 PM Rating: Decent
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I think it's pretty obvious he's not talking about the book that comes with the game. Most likely, the Brady. If he is referencing the Brady guide, he lost all credibility with me for saying it was ever relevant.
Actually, I was quite sure he was talking about the guide that came with the game. So, it's not obvious. What did he say that made you think it was obvious he wasn't talking about that?
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FFXI Brady's Guide is the reason I play MMO's today.


my god, you can't be serious.
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#18 Feb 05 2010 at 3:22 AM Rating: Decent
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TheShadowWalker wrote:
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I think it's pretty obvious he's not talking about the book that comes with the game. Most likely, the Brady. If he is referencing the Brady guide, he lost all credibility with me for saying it was ever relevant.
Actually, I was quite sure he was talking about the guide that came with the game. So, it's not obvious. What did he say that made you think it was obvious he wasn't talking about that?
Because asking if a game is going to come with an instruction manual is stupid.
#19 Feb 05 2010 at 6:38 AM Rating: Good
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Ds is right, I meant the Brady guide. And yes the Brady guide was far from "all inclusive" but when the game is only a couple months old and player written guides are still being built it's nice to have a guide I can write on. My brady guide became my brady notebook. After a short while, when my notes were no longer detailed enough I tossed the book in the pile and began using Zam all the time, but it was still nice to have in the beginning.
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#20 Feb 05 2010 at 8:44 AM Rating: Decent
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Personally I never had the brady guide so I can't say for sure, but surely there was SOMETHING useful in it (NPCs for quests, where to go for quests and so on) I do agree though with no way to update the information in it, the guide probably becomes obselete in an update or two. **** if nothing else its something to have to look back on and laugh your *** off at some of the ridiculous ideas it has.

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#21 Feb 05 2010 at 9:22 AM Rating: Decent
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Ipwnrice wrote:
Personally I never had the brady guide so I can't say for sure, but surely there was SOMETHING useful in it (NPCs for quests, where to go for quests and so on) I do agree though with no way to update the information in it, the guide probably becomes obselete in an update or two. **** if nothing else its something to have to look back on and laugh your *** off at some of the ridiculous ideas it has.

Edited, Feb 5th 2010 8:45am by Ipwnrice


It really did have some good ones too. When they were breaking down the jobs they had WAR/WHM listed as a makeshift PLD, lol.
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#22 Feb 06 2010 at 1:48 PM Rating: Decent
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I like having a paper guide.
Sites like allakhazam are good and have more info but i still like having a book with map and quest listing which are easy to find and can be overwhealmed with info on sites like alla.
i have the old ff11 guide its good for a player starting out but not great for long time players and has not been updated.
i wont talk about jobs because lots complaints about that but the craft section in it is like a godsend for me even though the info is out of date its really good have it all in one place ,so paper guides are not all bad i think.
#23 Feb 06 2010 at 1:55 PM Rating: Decent
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For the PS2 FFXI the brady guide or paper guide, whatever you want to call it was an essential thing to have for those that didn't own a computer. What is the obsession with this sh*t? There's absolutely no reason a person with a brain would actually use it.

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#24 Feb 06 2010 at 3:07 PM Rating: Good
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I bought the Brady guide too. I...just pulled it out of the filing cabinet where I stored all my FFXI stuff.
It's seriously funny now, looking back.
But, what helped me a lot at the beginning was the crafting sections, stats on various food, maps, the basic bestiary they had in there. But the job info, lmao.
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#25 Feb 06 2010 at 6:28 PM Rating: Good
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I like the brady guide, sure it crapped on a ton of things and made people get extremely bad habits (WAR/WHM for a makeshift PLD or BST steals your party exp don't party with it!), but I liked it for the art and if nothing else the reference tables early on for abilities, crafting and even the very limited mission and quest guides. Soemthing good to get you going, and as you go on you learn from there where to find better sources of info. (unfortunatelly there wasn't a very clear memo at the start of the guide to not take the guide seriously at all times because of constantly shifting balances and changes, hopefully they make up for that in the one for this game (you all know its coming!))

I can't remember if Brady did it but I liked the approach the people of Warhammer did with their official guide. It wasn't a guide in the sense that it told you what to do but it was an all encompassing guide to the lore and understanding the mechanics surrounding certain jobs and areas. They didn't try and tell you what worked best but merely gave you info at face value (for the time) and gave a bit of history on the job or description taken directly from the creators. They than did the same for areas etc. They didn't supply much info on quests or the rewards, but they gave you a better understanding to what thought was put into each locale. Very good for a history guide and helped you decide the small things you did in the game early on, which is all a paper guide like that should do for an everchanging game like an MMORPG.
#26 Feb 06 2010 at 6:34 PM Rating: Decent
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While a Brady guide can't be updated, it was good for starters like a lot of people said. It gets you going then you pick it up on your own. Weren't they slated to make a newer version of it but never did?
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#27 Feb 06 2010 at 7:34 PM Rating: Decent
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Because asking if a game is going to come with an instruction manual is stupid.
Not really. FFXI's instruction guide was much more thorough than any other MMORPG that I've played. Most of them were just small pamphlets.
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#29 Feb 07 2010 at 1:43 AM Rating: Good
If there's going to be a guide released for FFXIV, I hope the publishers are smart enough to release it on double quilted paper so that at least it will still serve a purpose 6 months after the game has been live.
#30 Feb 07 2010 at 8:12 AM Rating: Decent
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AureliusSir the Irrelevant wrote:
If there's going to be a guide released for FFXIV, I hope the publishers are smart enough to release it on double quilted paper so that at least it will still serve a purpose 6 months after the game has been live.


Or since it seems e-books are the wave of the future (see kindle, iPad, sony reader) why don't they just sell it that way. So it will be easier to update and possibly either free or a small charge. I'd be down for something like that.
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#31 Feb 07 2010 at 1:45 PM Rating: Good
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AureliusSir the Irrelevant wrote:
If there's going to be a guide released for FFXIV, I hope the publishers are smart enough to release it on double quilted paper so that at least it will still serve a purpose 6 months after the game has been live.


Or since it seems e-books are the wave of the future (see kindle, iPad, sony reader) why don't they just sell it that way. So it will be easier to update and possibly either free or a small charge. I'd be down for something like that.


There will be a wiki here (actually, there already is). I wouldn't pay for something that exists in organized detail somewhere else where I have free access.
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