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#52 Feb 10 2010 at 8:29 PM Rating: Good
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If you'd actually play a game with a mature audience (i.e. not WoW) with voice chat, you'd know that all these things people are worried about don't exist.


I find it quite amazing how you could pick one of the few words I'd never use to describe the WoW community. I'm sorry, but the vast majority of WoW and mature don't even fit in the same galaxy. No I'm not being a "hater", because I've played WoW on and off for over 4 years, so it's not like I haven't any experience with the community.
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The 'FFXI population is more mature than WoW's population' really has no grounds, unless someone can site a specific study reporting the age (and mental age) of the subscribers. However, from playing both I can say I've run into much fewer people in FFXI than WoW that insist on spamming and can't seem to find the instruction manual for their Caps lock key. This is just personal experience and is completely biased, no denying that.

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I'll have to agree with this. There really is no valid reason not to have it, but until we see the endgame content and find out if it'll even warrant enough coordination... there isn't really a valid arguement for having it.


As far as Voice chat is concerned, I think it is safe to assume that endgame content is going to require a fair amount of coordination. To say SE isn't going to make endgame content require coordination is simply ignorant. They would be taking a step backwards in that aspect if things were less coordinated.

Asside from endgame content, there are plenty of valid arguments for voice chat. First of all, simplicity. It's much easier to press a button and talk to someone, than to type out every word. From what I understand about FFXIV's battle system there will be no auto-attack, so not having to type out everything would be helpful. I don't know about you, but I play a MMORPG for the community, nothing quite puts the bow on top of that nice package like hearing the person you are talking to. And of course personal chat, is never diminished by hearing that persons voice.

Don't get me wrong, nothing slows someone down quite as well as typing every word out (some people need to be slowed down). There are places for voice chat and there are places for text chat.

Lastly, If you prefer to type, do it. But let the people that prefer to talk, do it. I think it's safe to say voice chat won;t be required for a majority of the game's content, so being excluded from a leveling party because you don't like to talk isn't going to happen.

Another option might be pre-recorded orders similar to FFXI <call>. "Incoming." or "Help me out!", these of course could be used in auto translate (and for obvious reasons only heard in party or linkshell chat), but that may be heavy on the system. Again this is a speculation forum so we won't know until the game is actually released, and these are just my opinions everyone is entitled to their own.
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#54 Feb 10 2010 at 9:04 PM Rating: Decent
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The 'FFXI population is more mature than WoW's population' really has no grounds, unless someone can site a specific study reporting the age (and mental age) of the subscribers. However, from playing both I can say I've run into much fewer people in FFXI than WoW that insist on spamming and can't seem to find the instruction manual for their Caps lock key. This is just personal experience and is completely biased, no denying that.


If FFXI had featured a text channel that linked all of Bastok, San d'Oria, Windurst, Jeuno, and Whitegate, I'm sure the comparisons would have been a little different.
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If FFXI had featured a text channel that linked all of Bastok, San d'Oria, Windurst, Jeuno, and Whitegate, I'm sure the comparisons would have been a little different.


Sadly yes, as I stated, there is really no way of telling.
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I want voice chat. But I also only want to play with my friends and keep the random socializing to a minimum.

Believe me if they have a voice chat it will be in channels liek a specific party channel or something.

There's no way they could pull off a full linkshell voice chat or a /say voice chat. Even if they could I would never enable it. Could you imagine this in your headset?

/shout "Looking for members! Help me out, Mission 2-4 CoP, @3/6 Need Smn Smn Smn.
/shout "Looking for members! Help me out, Mission 2-4 CoP, @3/6 Need Smn Smn Smn.
/say "Where's the auction house?"
/shout "Looking for members! Help me out, Mission 2-4 CoP, @3/6 Need Smn Smn Smn.
/say "right here lol"
/shout "Hagun, Haubergeon +1, Hauberk +1 Do you need it? /tell Price"
/shout "Looking for members! Help me out, Mission 2-4 CoP, @3/6 Need Smn Smn Smn.
/say "right where?"


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If FFXI had featured a text channel that linked all of Bastok, San d'Oria, Windurst, Jeuno, and Whitegate, I'm sure the comparisons would have been a little different.


Sadly yes, as I stated, there is really no way of telling.


Sure there is...because people are people. There's an assumption that the FFXI community was more mature than that of certain other games. People who saw what FFXI was like at NA release compared to a year later might be inclined to disagree. Even when I decided to mess around with the FFXI trial a few months ago I found the level of maturity to be no different from any other MMO I've played. Dunes parties were a joke with people showing up for level sync parties to stroke their e-peen for 10 mins before beaking off and dropping party despite everything functioning perfectly well. Shout arguments in Bastok Markets. Just because the audience was limited to a particular radius doesn't mean the propensity for the behavior wasn't there. The difference is, if you've got a couple dozen people on an entire realm at any given time who would happily take part in a half hour of random idiocy in a public channel, they have to be in pretty much the same area to feed off one another and anyone outside the radius of their shouts would be oblivious to the nonsense. That becomes a feature of the way the chat channels were set up, not a reflection on the community.
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Just to be clear, I absolutely agree with you that a FFXI trade channel would show a lower level of maturity. So, even if FFXI does have the same level of maturity as WoW, it is much less visible. The smaller population of server helps as well.

The trade chat breeds idiocy. The fact that FFXI didn't have one limited that idiocy to a certain radius. That alone is enough to keep someone from replying to a moronic statement. While WoW's trade chat definitely helps support the argument that WoW player are in general less mature, perhaps SE knew this prior to FFXI's release and acted accordingly. I haven't played FFXI in well over a year now, since before level sync became active, so I have no idea what FFXI's community has become, I just know that when I was playing FFXI the community was much better (or at least seemed much better, and honestly thats all that matters) than the WoW community I see today literally everytime I log-in.

I would prefer not to hijack this thread as it is supposed to be about whether or not to incorporate voice chat into the game, and not the maturity levels of several active MMORPG communities. We can assume that FFXI would be the same with a server trade channel, but until the day comes when SE decides to add a trade channel all we can do is assume. Assumptions vs. personal experience? I'll take my personal experience anyday.

Back on topic: I think we can all come to an agreement that SE will not add open world voice chat, under any circumstance. And if voice chat is implemented it will be limited to party and private messaging, possibly linkshell or custom channels. Anything beyond that I think is excessive, or at least not really necessary.
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If FFXI had featured a text channel that linked all of Bastok, San d'Oria, Windurst, Jeuno, and Whitegate, I'm sure the comparisons would have been a little different.


Sadly yes, as I stated, there is really no way of telling.


Sure there is...because people are people. There's an assumption that the FFXI community was more mature than that of certain other games. People who saw what FFXI was like at NA release compared to a year later might be inclined to disagree. Even when I decided to mess around with the FFXI trial a few months ago I found the level of maturity to be no different from any other MMO I've played. Dunes parties were a joke with people showing up for level sync parties to stroke their e-peen for 10 mins before beaking off and dropping party despite everything functioning perfectly well. Shout arguments in Bastok Markets. Just because the audience was limited to a particular radius doesn't mean the propensity for the behavior wasn't there. The difference is, if you've got a couple dozen people on an entire realm at any given time who would happily take part in a half hour of random idiocy in a public channel, they have to be in pretty much the same area to feed off one another and anyone outside the radius of their shouts would be oblivious to the nonsense. That becomes a feature of the way the chat channels were set up, not a reflection on the community.


Whoa whoa whoa. While you present a good arguement, a free trial barely lets you make a statement like that.

With your trial account you got access to what? OTHER trial accounts and the starter cities where no one goes? Yep.

I played WoW for 6 months and FFXI for 6 years. Trade channels on WoW could encourage even the most mature individual to delve into homophobic discourse at a seconds notice.

Even the most INANE nerd slap fights in Al Zhabi don't come close to the Barrens chat in WoW. I am assured that the FFXI community IS more mature than other mmos.
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Whoa whoa whoa. While you present a good arguement, a free trial barely lets you make a statement like that.

With your trial account you got access to what? OTHER trial accounts and the starter cities where no one goes? Yep.

I played WoW for 6 months and FFXI for 6 years. Trade channels on WoW could encourage even the most mature individual to delve into homophobic discourse at a seconds notice.

Even the most INANE nerd slap fights in Al Zhabi don't come close to the Barrens chat in WoW. I am assured that the FFXI community IS more mature than other mmos.


That was a trial that refreshed my memory after 3-4 years of playing FFXI from NA release.

{Galka Sausage} + {Mithra} {fun} {hole} = {fun} {excitement!} ring a bell? Because it was just as funny for the 20th time in 10 minutes as it was 18 months ago when someone first discovered that witticism, amirite?

You're still not acknowledging the impact that zone-wide and multi-city chat has on the appearance of the community. If the Dunes/Qufim had a zone-wide chat channel, they would have been no different from the Barrens. If the five major cities in FFXI had been linked to one chat channel, the auto-translate lunacy would have been no different or less frequent than '****' crap in WoW. Again, your failure to consider the mechanics of the chat systems is being used to form your opinion on the ocmmunity. Mechanics =/= community.
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Whoa whoa whoa. While you present a good arguement, a free trial barely lets you make a statement like that.


I'll back up him up then, I played FFXI since CoP and WoW since it still had a lv 60 cap, what he says is pretty close.

Just because people in FFXI are more silent, because the ways of communication are more limited, doesn't mean that they are automatically more mature.
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I'll back up him up then, I played FFXI since CoP and WoW since it still had a lv 60 cap, what he says is pretty close.

Just because people in FFXI are more silent, because the ways of communication are more limited, doesn't mean that they are automatically more mature.


But it also doesn't mean that they are automatically equally mature. It a simple logical fallacy. Simply disproving something doesn't prove the opposite. False Dichotomy?

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Alas, you have sucked me into bringing this thread even more off topic. I'm sorry OP.
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But it also doesn't mean that they are automatically equally mature. It a simple logical fallacy. Simply disproving something doesn't prove the opposite. False Dichotomy?


I only said that "people being more silent,because of less communication options" has no relation to "people being more mature".

I never said the opposite was true.
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If they will implement a voice chat or not is not really important. What is important is that I hope people wont expect me to use it when I play the game. I will still use Ventrilo though for raid size encounters.
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The 'FFXI population is more mature than WoW's population' really has no grounds, unless someone can site a specific study reporting the age (and mental age) of the subscribers. However, from playing both I can say I've run into much fewer people in FFXI than WoW that insist on spamming and can't seem to find the instruction manual for their Caps lock key. This is just personal experience and is completely biased, no denying that.


Italicized what I think is the big reason for the difference. It's noticed more on WoW, simply because there are more people in the game. Add to that practically a guarantee of anonymity because of the way the character system works, and you have an environment that perhaps doesn't necessarily "welcome" asshattery, but it doesn't discourage it, either.

You can't do it on XI because you get one character and it's not as easy to raise up a second one to hide on. So people might not necessarily be more mature than the WoW community, they just keep it more in check in the general public because the consequences are more far-reaching. I mean, you can click on any thread over on BG forums and see what I mean. I saw a thread in the BC forums where someone came out of nowhere telling the leaders they shouldn't accept the member because he bailed on an xp party in like 2006 or some ****. Not the most mature input on the BC, but it does show that names are easily remembered here and that makes people think twice about participating in WG shout fights.

Honestly, I have met far more childish, selfish, **** hurt, whiny people on FFXI (especially end game) than I have ever met on WoW, and that's probably because this game is so cut throat as far as advancing your character. There isn't really a whole lot of drama llamaing over gear or money in WoW (there's occasional, sure) because people aren't waiting around for years before getting something like they do here. The two games have very different environments, and just because the immaturity in FFXI doesn't always take the form of "trade channel crap convo", doesn't mean it isn't there.

It's there.

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AureliusSir the Irrelevant wrote:
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The 'FFXI population is more mature than WoW's population' really has no grounds, unless someone can site a specific study reporting the age (and mental age) of the subscribers. However, from playing both I can say I've run into much fewer people in FFXI than WoW that insist on spamming and can't seem to find the instruction manual for their Caps lock key. This is just personal experience and is completely biased, no denying that.


If FFXI had featured a text channel that linked all of Bastok, San d'Oria, Windurst, Jeuno, and Whitegate, I'm sure the comparisons would have been a little different.
Considering no one is in 4/5 of those areas anymore I have to disagree.

FFXI generally has more "mature" people because the difficulty of getting to max level tends to weed out idiots (ie. I grab 5 random people for a low-man event, in FFXI I might get 1 idiot who I immediately kick and replace provided they aren't essential, in WoW I'm lucky if 1-2 are competent and I'm forced to roll w/ w/e).

Server matters a lot too, there are definitely more idiots on my current server than the other servers I've been on.
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#68 Feb 11 2010 at 10:49 AM Rating: Decent
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Mictam wrote:
The 'FFXI population is more mature than WoW's population' really has no grounds, unless someone can site a specific study reporting the age (and mental age) of the subscribers. However, from playing both I can say I've run into much fewer people in FFXI than WoW that insist on spamming and can't seem to find the instruction manual for their Caps lock key. This is just personal experience and is completely biased, no denying that.


If FFXI had featured a text channel that linked all of Bastok, San d'Oria, Windurst, Jeuno, and Whitegate, I'm sure the comparisons would have been a little different.
Considering no one is in 4/5 of those areas anymore I have to disagree.


Whether or not those are popular areas is rather irrelevant, unless that was a diplomatic attempt at saying that you think I'm lying. I remember the Whitegate shout spam (and the kvetching about it).

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FFXI generally has more "mature" people because the difficulty of getting to max level tends to weed out idiots (ie. I grab 5 random people for a low-man event, in FFXI I might get 1 idiot who I immediately kick and replace provided they aren't essential, in WoW I'm lucky if 1-2 are competent and I'm forced to roll w/ w/e).

Server matters a lot too, there are definitely more idiots on my current server than the other servers I've been on.


Whether or not one game has a more mature playerbase than the other is a subjective assessment that can't be made solely based on personal observation. My personal experience over several years playing the game (refreshed in my memory during my brief trial) is that there's no basis for claims that the FFXI playerbase was/is more mature than that of other games. That's why I understand the concerns of people who aren't so fired up about voice chat as an integrated system in FFXIV.
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The 'FFXI population is more mature than WoW's population' really has no grounds, unless someone can site a specific study reporting the age (and mental age) of the subscribers. However, from playing both I can say I've run into much fewer people in FFXI than WoW that insist on spamming and can't seem to find the instruction manual for their Caps lock key. This is just personal experience and is completely biased, no denying that.
If FFXI had featured a text channel that linked all of Bastok, San d'Oria, Windurst, Jeuno, and Whitegate, I'm sure the comparisons would have been a little different.
Considering no one is in 4/5 of those areas anymore I have to disagree.
Whether or not those are popular areas is rather irrelevant, unless that was a diplomatic attempt at saying that you think I'm lying. I remember the Whitegate shout spam (and the kvetching about it).
I'm saying there's no difference between "just AUW" and "AUW+the rest of the towns" because the rest of the towns are empty (X+0+0+0+0=X). However you want to interpret that is up to you.
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FFXI generally has more "mature" people because the difficulty of getting to max level tends to weed out idiots (ie. I grab 5 random people for a low-man event, in FFXI I might get 1 idiot who I immediately kick and replace provided they aren't essential, in WoW I'm lucky if 1-2 are competent and I'm forced to roll w/ w/e).

Server matters a lot too, there are definitely more idiots on my current server than the other servers I've been on.
Whether or not one game has a more mature playerbase than the other is a subjective assessment that can't be made solely based on personal observation. My personal experience over several years playing the game (refreshed in my memory during my brief trial) is that there's no basis for claims that the FFXI playerbase was/is more mature than that of other games. That's why I understand the concerns of people who aren't so fired up about voice chat as an integrated system in FFXIV.
It is completely subjective based on my personal experiences in 3 FFXI servers and 4 WoW ones, but I've never heard anyone seriously argue that WoW is full of more "mature" players compared to FFXI, and stereotypes exist for a reason.
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Whether or not those are popular areas is rather irrelevant, unless that was a diplomatic attempt at saying that you think I'm lying. I remember the Whitegate shout spam (and the kvetching about it).
I'm saying there's no difference between "just AUW" and "AUW+the rest of the towns" because the rest of the towns are empty (X+0+0+0+0=X). However you want to interpret that is up to you.


That's interesting...it must have been the ghosts of the players who had long ago passed through Bastok Markets that were arguing over which piece of gear was better, evolving into about a half dozen people kvetching at each other at the fountain, culminating in the towering display of maturity that comes from calling someone you disagree with a '******', amirite?

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It is completely subjective based on my personal experiences in 3 FFXI servers and 4 WoW ones, but I've never heard anyone seriously argue that WoW is full of more "mature" players compared to FFXI, and stereotypes exist for a reason.


There's a stereotype of FFXI players that says they've lost touch with reality, too. So which one is more valid? The stereotype FFXI players hold of themselves as being a more mature, community-minded group of people, or the stereotype others hold of the FFXI playerbase as being largely delusional and heavily in denial? I'm not interested in stereotypes. I never said WoW (or any other game population) has more maturity...I've said that when push comes to shove and you eliminate the mechanical differences, they'd probably be about the same. Not one better/worse than the other...about the same.

(Edit P.S.: Maybe you could be a sport and try putting some line breaks between your quotes...this is getting to be a mess to sort out.)

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#71 Feb 11 2010 at 11:34 AM Rating: Decent
Voice chat is the most horrible aspect of a game i have ever experienced.

Tons of racism, cussing, name calling, nasty sexual language, fighting, music playing and total retardation.

Keep it text based like ffxi and force those to play the game with more maturity if they want to advance and work as a team.

I don't want a highly anticipated next gen MMO to disgust me.
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#72 Feb 11 2010 at 11:44 AM Rating: Good
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Voice chat is the most horrible aspect of a game i have ever experienced.

Tons of racism, cussing, name calling, nasty sexual language, fighting, music playing and total retardation.

Keep it text based like ffxi and force those to play the game with more maturity if they want to advance and work as a team.

I don't want a highly anticipated next gen MMO to disgust me.


I'm guessing your experience with voice chat in online games has been centered mostly around FPS style games. Voice chat is a significant boon to MMOs.
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I don't want a highly anticipated next gen MMO to disgust me.


To sorta repeat what Aurelius said, in MMOs you only listen to people you choose to listen to. I don't think the anti-voice people are getting this. There will be no /say channel voice chat, no /regional voice chat. SE is way too conservative for such things. Voice chat will only work in parties/raids. If you join a PUG and you're offended by anyone in that group, you can turn off voice chat. You'll have the added benefit that since they're blabbing in voice, they probably won't be typing in text chat so you can essentially ignore them. If you're offended by your guild/etc. during a raid, then you should probably find a new guild. And no, voice chat will not be required for PUGs. There are enough people who'll have voice turned off that the general playerbase will be accustomed to text for PUGs.

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To sorta repeat what Aurelius said, in MMOs you only listen to people you choose to listen to. I don't think the anti-voice people are getting this. There will be no /say channel voice chat, no /regional voice chat. SE is way too conservative for such things. Voice chat will only work in parties/raids. If you join a PUG and you're offended by anyone in that group, you can turn off voice chat. You'll have the added benefit that since they're blabbing in voice, they probably won't be typing in text chat so you can essentially ignore them. If you're offended by your guild/etc. during a raid, then you should probably find a new guild. And no, voice chat will not be required for PUGs. There are enough people who'll have voice turned off that the general playerbase will be accustomed to text for PUGs.


This, this, a thousand times, this.

One should also be reminded that FPS games are based entirely on competition, FFXI was based on teamwork, and I think it's safe to assume FFXIV will be similar. People won't be getting angry because they are getting killed as soon as they spawn or from those nasty grenade launcher kills. They will be getting angry about their healer and tank and dps not preforming, but to be honest people can usually put up with a stupid team when they aren't in direct competition with another team. Im usually ok with a stupid team when we are dealing with PvE, since it's usually easy enough to get away with some incompentant members.
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#75 Feb 11 2010 at 12:33 PM Rating: Decent
Well i know if there will be a voice chat feature then it would have some control on who you want to listen to or not.

Its just that it never came out good for me.

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The notorious PS3 GTA4 voice chat where once activated/accepted becomes a giant pool of crap fest. You now have to scroll through all the names and mute cept you can't mute the leader and must leave to start another online session which sucks because that particular session have many players online to play with.

Every time i go back its the same thing and with most other games too.

Though i have used some sort of voice chat with FFXI before and it was very pleasant, i feel that FFXI players carry more maturity that other gamers.

Basically, my fear of FF14 that it will become a part of this nasty trend that affects many multi player online games.
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Whether or not those are popular areas is rather irrelevant, unless that was a diplomatic attempt at saying that you think I'm lying. I remember the Whitegate shout spam (and the kvetching about it).
I'm saying there's no difference between "just AUW" and "AUW+the rest of the towns" because the rest of the towns are empty (X+0+0+0+0=X). However you want to interpret that is up to you.

That's interesting...it must have been the ghosts of the players who had long ago passed through Bastok Markets that were arguing over which piece of gear was better, evolving into about a half dozen people kvetching at each other at the fountain, culminating in the towering display of maturity that comes from calling someone you disagree with a '******', amirite?
Probably a dynamis group, for the most part all the three starter towns are completely vacant minus AH mules. There is just no reason to go there anymore. It's like saying adding Marshall's Refuge to trade chat would make a big difference in spam. Sure, someone passes through every once in awhile, but it's not a significant contribution to overall volume.
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So which one is more valid? The stereotype FFXI players hold of themselves as being a more mature, community-minded group of people, or the stereotype others hold of the FFXI playerbase as being largely delusional and heavily in denial?
I'm not seeing how those are contradictory in general. Could you be more specific about the second one? (aka what are we considered delusional/in denial about? I could see it going either way based on subject)
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Probably a dynamis group, for the most part all the three starter towns are completely vacant minus AH mules. There is just no reason to go there anymore. It's like saying adding Marshall's Refuge to trade chat would make a big difference in spam. Sure, someone passes through every once in awhile, but it's not a significant contribution to overall volume.


Actually Bastok has been my homepoint for my main ever since the warp to ToAU zones was installed. I love my outpost warps and tele ring and taking it easy without lag.

If there was a trade channel installed with the starter cities included you would hear a lot more mules or just plain lv 1 characters chatter (mostly trolling) in it.
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Eve voice chat system.

First, eve allows the leader to mark targets for attack. It can also force your group to target a particular ship as the main target iirc. haven't played it in a while.

This means you don't need to have a mic to lead a group, and marking is much easier with a visual que as to what's marked than saying it on a voice system.

For example, If you had a shield icon that a leader could mark on a player to signify tank, a + for healer, an axe for DD, and an Up arrow for support, and then numbers 1-10 or something to mark mob priority or order to attack, that would be good. Aion did good for groups to this effect.


In my experience, First you look for signs. Then you listen for signs. Then you read for signs. If voice chat is implemented, so should be the ability to give signs to signify targets or jobs for a group.

This will take most of the weight off of voice chat, as it would only be needed for very advanced and niche groups where timing is important.

In eve, the only time you really use the voice chat is when you are in a fleet together (or party or whatever). but yeah, no more than 10 people in a single chat system would be nice. As well as a graphical mute button in the party list.
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Even if there is no integrated voice chat system, I still imagine endgame groups using Teamspeak/Ventrillo. If nothing else, integrated voice chat will make that a little more seamless.

At the same time, I'm one of those "doesn't like to talk" people who prefers to stay off vent unless I absolutely, positively HAVE to be on it.
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#80 Feb 11 2010 at 3:27 PM Rating: Default
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Probably a dynamis group, for the most part all the three starter towns are completely vacant minus AH mules. There is just no reason to go there anymore. It's like saying adding Marshall's Refuge to trade chat would make a big difference in spam. Sure, someone passes through every once in awhile, but it's not a significant contribution to overall volume.


I'm not sure why you think it matters whether or not a particular area is populated heavily or sparsely. If that kind of behavior can take place in a sparsely populated area, it only stands to reason that it can happen on a larger scale in a more densely populated area.
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Oh boy, it's this thread again.

Look, I usually like to be diplomatic and reasonable, but this tired debate is really frustrating. Voice is not being added to FFXIV; this is 99% confirmed. Even if, by some stretch, it is added in the future, it will not be a game-breaker for anyone. It will be useful to those who wish to use it, and it will be ignored and have little to no effect on those who don't wish to use it. Those who relish the advantages of voice chat likely already have a solution and would also likely prefer that instead of whatever gets added to FFXIV. Those who want an in-game solution because they don't want to use Vent will just have to deal with it; SE isn't ignoring you, they just can't make it happen. Whatever the status of in-game voice ends up being, it will not have a profound impact on anyone, and neither the fears nor hopes expressed in this thread and others like it will become reality.

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#82 Feb 11 2010 at 3:34 PM Rating: Decent
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Oh boy, it's this thread again.

Look, I usually like to be diplomatic and reasonable, but this tired debate is really frustrating. Voice is not being added to FFXIV; this is 99% confirmed. Even if, by some stretch, it is added in the future, it will not be a game-breaker for anyone. It will be useful to those who wish to use it, and it will be ignored and have little to no effect on those who don't wish to use it. Those who relish the advantages of voice chat likely already have a solution and would also likely prefer that instead of whatever gets added to FFXIV. Those who want an in-game solution because they don't want to use Vent will just have to deal with it; SE isn't ignoring you, they just can't make it happen. Whatever the status of in-game voice ends up being, it will not have a profound impact on anyone, and neither the fears nor hopes expressed in this thread and others like it will become reality.


If it's not going to be implemented...with "99%" certainty...then why would Tanaka bring it up in the most recent printed interview?
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Oh boy, it's this thread again.

Look, I usually like to be diplomatic and reasonable, but this tired debate is really frustrating. Voice is not being added to FFXIV; this is 99% confirmed. Even if, by some stretch, it is added in the future, it will not be a game-breaker for anyone. It will be useful to those who wish to use it, and it will be ignored and have little to no effect on those who don't wish to use it. Those who relish the advantages of voice chat likely already have a solution and would also likely prefer that instead of whatever gets added to FFXIV. Those who want an in-game solution because they don't want to use Vent will just have to deal with it; SE isn't ignoring you, they just can't make it happen. Whatever the status of in-game voice ends up being, it will not have a profound impact on anyone, and neither the fears nor hopes expressed in this thread and others like it will become reality.


If it's not going to be implemented...with "99%" certainty...then why would Tanaka bring it up in the most recent printed interview?


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Yeah, for Tanaka to say they're working on it implies that it is a top priority. When has SE ever said, "Well, we kinda want to add this feature sometime in the future, but it's really not a priority right now."?

I do agree that it won't make a huge impact one way or the other. If it's not introduced, people will simply use Vent.
#85 Feb 11 2010 at 3:57 PM Rating: Decent
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Yeah, for Tanaka to say they're working on it implies that it is a top priority. When has SE ever said, "Well, we kinda want to add this feature sometime in the future, but it's really not a priority right now."?

I do agree that it won't make a huge impact one way or the other. If it's not introduced, people will simply use Vent.


PC players will use vent. Console players will be screwed. It won't affect the general day-to-day leveling process but come endgame you can be absolutely assured that there will be a rift between PC and console players if integrated voice chat is either not implemented or is implemented but is of poor quality such that PC players still gravitate to third party clients and servers.
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If it's not going to be implemented...with "99%" certainty...then why would Tanaka bring it up in the most recent printed interview?


You're smart enough that I shouldn't need to explain figures of speech to you, so let's focus on what Tanaka said in the interview. He said that voice chat would be very difficult for all of the reasons we've come up with before: cross-platform issues, translation/language difficulties, and harassment. Voice chat in FFXIV was already somewhere between Terribly Unlikely and When Pigs Fly before the interview, and now it's practically in No Way José territory.

The thread for the interview has already devolved into yet another ******* match about voice chat, but I'll post my interpretation here. The question to which he responded with this was "Where do you see the gaming industry moving this year?" and he starts by talking about new technologies, like Project Natal. He's quite clearly saying that in order to clear the obstacles preventing voice chat from being viable in FFXIV, some new sort of technology is needed, and he's hoping someone else comes up with it; it's not SE's style to admit they can't do something, but let's face it, the task is not even remotely within the scope of FFXIV's development. Frankly, I think Tanaka mentioned it just to show that they're listening to what players are talking about. He certainly could have brought up any of the more important topics people have been discussing, but this is one of the few that he was able to give a definitive answer about, even if it sounded vague when translated.

For the record, I never said voice in FFXIV is absolutely impossible; I'm saying that if it's added, it doesn't matter whether it's decent or it sucks, because it's not going to make a huge difference to most players one way or the other. The anti-voice camp is especially vocal (get it?) about how voice chat would completely destroy everything about the game, and as I've pointed out in other threads, this sentiment has been expressed in the past elsewhere. It has always amounted to nothing. Voice chat in Second Life? The grid is doomed, people wailed. Then it was added, and it ended up being no big deal. Voice chat for WoW? Most people don't even know it's a feature. On the flipside, has anyone heard of that game where voice chat is so integral and robust that it's not only required, but people go out of their way to use it because it's so awesome? Anyone?

I'm not against a good debate, but this isn't a good one. There's really not even anything to debate about when it comes to voice chat. Many of the arguments on both sides are terrible, and the neutral party gets ignored despite having the best points. I'd rather read ten more threads about male Mi'qote and female Roegaydn than one more about voice chat.
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I got nothing against an in game voice chat but the thing im more worried about is something a little more oriented to the population of FFXI and likely FFXIV. Those other games everyone is on region specific servers, but how exactly would voice work in situations you have multiple ethnicities? I know you just turn off voice or set a certain person on ignore or whatever, but some the worst issues in FFXI were how the Japanese ignored the english players due to cultural issues just from text commands. (or vice versa). Id think that kind of segragation would get even worse if there is even a single event in the game that starts making Voice Work seem 'required' to communicate.

I think the best solution is to have the game launch without voice and than a couple patches later add it. People would get used to the idea of playing the game without voice as an integral element and than those that use vent can migrate if they feel like it to the in game system for streamlined purposes. Basically most of the games that had in game voice from the start are what tend to cause the most issues, they add it in after the game starts than it becomes a non-issue. You also have the potential issue with people playing over Xbox360 as well. Most of the people in that community use voice work as the only means of communication and neglect text completely. If voice works comes out of the box a large portion of that community will demand voice overs even during PuGs which would disinfranchie a portion of the community. Sure again you can just ignore it but if its something that comes supplied right from the start, its more likely to be used in neccesity rather than as optional. I guess im just worried about timing rather than idea of voice.
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I got nothing against an in game voice chat but the thing im more worried about is something a little more oriented to the population of FFXI and likely FFXIV. Those other games everyone is on region specific servers, but how exactly would voice work in situations you have multiple ethnicities? I know you just turn off voice or set a certain person on ignore or whatever, but some the worst issues in FFXI were how the Japanese ignored the english players due to cultural issues just from text commands. (or vice versa). Id think that kind of segragation would get even worse if there is even a single event in the game that starts making Voice Work seem 'required' to communicate.

I think the best solution is to have the game launch without voice and than a couple patches later add it. People would get used to the idea of playing the game without voice as an integral element and than those that use vent can migrate if they feel like it to the in game system for streamlined purposes. Basically most of the games that had in game voice from the start are what tend to cause the most issues, they add it in after the game starts than it becomes a non-issue. You also have the potential issue with people playing over Xbox360 as well. Most of the people in that community use voice work as the only means of communication and neglect text completely. If voice works comes out of the box a large portion of that community will demand voice overs even during PuGs which would disinfranchie a portion of the community. Sure again you can just ignore it but if its something that comes supplied right from the start, its more likely to be used in neccesity rather than as optional. I guess im just worried about timing rather than idea of voice.


Now this brings up some very good points. Indeed how do you setup a endgame raid with players from different region? In FFXI you had the builtin translator that translated the raidleaders instruction so that people from whatever region could understand eachother. If you have voicechat be default that would rule out the raidleader to actually bother typing out the strategy. This will in the end make it so that linkshells only recruit people that "knows" english or only "knows" japanese since they will take into account that the voicechat will always be utilitized for all endgame and raid encounters.

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#89 Feb 11 2010 at 4:58 PM Rating: Good
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If it's not going to be implemented...with "99%" certainty...then why would Tanaka bring it up in the most recent printed interview?


You're smart enough that I shouldn't need to explain figures of speech to you, so let's focus on what Tanaka said in the interview. He said that voice chat would be very difficult for all of the reasons we've come up with before: cross-platform issues, translation/language difficulties, and harassment. Voice chat in FFXIV was already somewhere between Terribly Unlikely and When Pigs Fly before the interview, and now it's practically in No Way José territory.


He said it would be difficult, yes. And he said that they're worried about whether or not they'll be able to implement it. If they had already made the decision, they wouldn't be worried about it and he probably wouldn't have brought it up, now would he?

I think your interpretation of the interview isn't congruent with what was said. Like it, see it, or agree with it or not, voice chat is a staple in MMORPG endgame. SE made the decision to go with multiple platforms with multiple countries (aka multiple languages) from day one. If they're talking about wanting to be inclusive rather than exclusive, language barriers can't be the excuse to create platform barriers. I could see SE shipping FFXIV without voice chat, but making completion of the systems a priority before too many players start hitting endgame activities.
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Considering no one is in 4/5 of those areas anymore I have to disagree

This is not true, and for the record jeuno has always been better than wg.

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This no matter how old you get will still be funny or you have 0 sense of humor and you are on your period because no one wants to help you with your promie shout because for whatever reason you joined the bandwagon late or your one of those lolquitters who dumps there stuff then crawls back to your server crying because you have no gear and has to redo stuff cause you were too weak to quit for real and are in ffxidiction denial.
Some things are funnier typed and some voices better not heard..
I love some voice on fps because fps without the trash talk is like near-beer; whats the point right..
shouting nonsense is part of that "social" aspect of it all and being ***** cause
you think /shout was intended for missions and events only is stupid.
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Wow, seriously? All SE has to do is restrict it to linkshell-type or private messaging.


Which they probably will do. It would be impractical to have voice chat in a party when half of the members are JP and half are NA.
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Considering no one is in 4/5 of those areas anymore I have to disagree

This is not true, and for the record jeuno has always been better than wg.

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{Galka Sausage} + {Mithra} {fun} {hole} = {fun} {excitement!}


This no matter how old you get will still be funny or you have 0 sense of humor and you are on your period because no one wants to help you with your promie shout because for whatever reason you joined the bandwagon late or your one of those lolquitters who dumps there stuff then crawls back to your server crying because you have no gear and has to redo stuff cause you were too weak to quit for real and are in ffxidiction denial.
Some things are funnier typed and some voices better not heard..
I love some voice on fps because fps without the trash talk is like near-beer; whats the point right..
shouting nonsense is part of that "social" aspect of it all and being ***** cause
you think /shout was intended for missions and events only is stupid.
the ppl who shout retorts to the clever shouts or funny trash talk are as bad as straight spammers. blist if you dont want to hear the person lfp in wg or just sitting around being social is more enjoyable with the entertainment.



Gather around, boys and girls, for today's object lesson.

goblinpimp - helps or harms the argument that FFXI has a more mature playerbase?

Discuss.
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I'd say at least one of my criteria were violated, there. :x


In all seriousness, people are people, and I cynically expect people to suck until proven otherwise. I don't believe XI players are more mature, but I also feel they can be immature in different ways because the games are different.
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Haha, I actually laughed out loud when I read this. Thanks you goblinpimp for doing FFXI justice. I wouldn't have spent so much time arguing that FFXI was more mature if I knew you were just going to blow it with this.

To be fair though, I like the squabbles in MW2 voice chat. It really opens your eyes to how stupid a majority of the players are. I end up just mocking them until they flame out and leave or prove to the rest of the game that they indeed are mental incapable of forming a legit sentence with a subject and verb without a combination of curses and racial slurs.

Similar maturity levels of the player based, maybe. But at least in FFXI it's not quite so obvious because reputation among players is much more important in FFXI. Most of the WoW spammers are level 1 alts that are only flaming because they don't want their main to get blacklisted. FFXI's additional cost for more characters helps them maintain a better image.
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I think most of the people that have problems with voice chat are like me: don't enjoy communicating.

Try doing endgame though without it, and you'll quickly get tired of retards that don't have a concept of what the **** they're doing.

Voice chat helps with this, especially if people can be muted. Give speaking rights to only the leaders of the group, and everything is solved. Retards do mildly better (enough to not die and keep doing their jobs), people that don't want to talk don't have to, and leaders get the cooperation they need without having to spend 20 minutes typing.

For the record, I didn't enjoy talking in WoW because it usually led to a rant about why most people sucked, which usually led to me dropping the raid and porting out.

Just because you CAN speak doesn't mean you HAVE to. It's just as easy to listen to an organizer, and to do that, you don't need headphones.
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Considering no one is in 4/5 of those areas anymore I have to disagree

This is not true, and for the record jeuno has always been better than wg.

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{Galka Sausage} + {Mithra} {fun} {hole} = {fun} {excitement!}


This no matter how old you get will still be funny or you have 0 sense of humor and you are on your period because no one wants to help you with your promie shout because for whatever reason you joined the bandwagon late or your one of those lolquitters who dumps there stuff then crawls back to your server crying because you have no gear and has to redo stuff cause you were too weak to quit for real and are in ffxidiction denial.
Some things are funnier typed and some voices better not heard..
I love some voice on fps because fps without the trash talk is like near-beer; whats the point right..
shouting nonsense is part of that "social" aspect of it all and being ***** cause
you think /shout was intended for missions and events only is stupid.
the ppl who shout retorts to the clever shouts or funny trash talk are as bad as straight spammers. blist if you dont want to hear the person lfp in wg or just sitting around being social is more enjoyable with the entertainment.



Gather around, boys and girls, for today's object lesson.

goblinpimp - helps or harms the argument that FFXI has a more mature playerbase?

Discuss.
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Try doing endgame though without it, and you'll quickly get tired of retards that don't have a concept of what the **** they're doing.


How does talking make them less "retarded", if anything wouldn't it exacerbate the problem? Now not only are they slow, but they can make funny noises!
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How does talking make them less "retarded", if anything wouldn't it exacerbate the problem? Now not only are they slow, but they can make funny noises!


It doesn't make them any less retarded, just alot easier to spot.
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Most of the reasons NOT to have voice chat are things in the game that people don't use ventrillo for anyway. I don't know anyone who requires you to use vent for running small stuff like quest mobs and heroics. Voice chat is pretty much raid only and used by guilds with your peers in them.

For encounters with alot of things to explain or be aware of, having voice chat active and people listening will usually save you from wiping(at least repeatedly for the same reasons). Its also pretty useful if you are in need of something like status cures or if you need someone in your group to redirect focus from their original job to something with a higher priority. XI has few encounters like this so its easy to see why XI players don't see it as a necessity. If you have a group of people or LS mates who understand what they need to be doing it isn't a necessity at all, just a luxury.

I would hope that the encounters in XIV endgame will be far more engaging than XI. If not then voice chat will not be used in XIV nearly as much as it is in other more challenging MMOs. Saying that voice chat will not have an effect one way or another on an MMO is flat out ignorant. There is quite a bit of information or direction you can provide via voice chat that doesn't restrict your in-game actions (movement, casting/interrupting spells and the like) and quite a few players feel its indispensible for that reason.
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So, yeah, I just had my legion (think guild or linkshell in Aion) try to guilt trip me last night after I told them I don't have Vent and have no inclination to get it or a microphone. They prattled about how it's standard for MMOs these days and a requirement because typing takes too long in heated situations.

Can't really say I agreed.

Personally, I'd like to think my reaction times are pretty decent. With them using PvP as the crux of their argument, this usually boils down to focusing on certain classes first to diminish the success of enemy parties. As is, Aion has a target branding system. This lets a leader put big, shiny pictures or numbers over a target so you can act accordingly. I can react to those. They'll need to be cycling through targets to identify their first one, anyway. Secondly, it's not hard to just say, "Hey, follow this dude who does use Vent." Or follow the tank. Or keep your eye on the healer to scare off attackers. Whatever.

But no, I'm now making things "complicated" and the leaders will have to "go out of their way to work with me" as if I'm a mindless guppy. Sorry if I'm not shedding tears, but MMOs aren't rocket science. I explained how strategies should be planned out beforehand. I pointed out how nobody told me about the Vent requirement weeks ago when I first joined them (for a friend from XI, no less). If it's about move avoidance, it's not like Aion is lacking a /alert chat command that can flash, "MOVE YOUR ***!" in bright orange text across your screen that can easily be macro'd if a leader is so inclined.

But I digress. Maybe I'm just getting old and am not hip to the new net generation, what with me not giving a **** about Facebook 'n all.
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Anonymity is WoW's biggest issue with people being retarded. Someone might argue this but it is by far the truth. Heck even i've done it, treat people like crap, there are 10's of thousands of unique names and unless you mod for it banlists are never account wide.

However back on subject i bought a mic for the game MAG on ps3... i actually enjoy it. Usually i kick the mic spammers from the game but otherwise it's a very positive experience. Granted there is no text chat so it's not even a viable option but playing with people and hearing them can be a humorous experience.

It might ruin the immersiveness for me... yeah i admit that but otherwise it is going to improve gameplay a lot. If they don't include it i won't be disappointed in any way but it would be a nice to have when i play with my english speaking buddies. I currently have about 4 or 5 people who used to play FFXI on and off that have commited to play FFXIV if it is a decent game, let's be honest too playing with local friends and having mics makes it sooo much better. Being able to heckle someone ingame is loads of fun when you know them.
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