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#1 Feb 16 2010 at 5:14 AM Rating: Good
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Zyuu, an admin of FFXIVCore, has recently been pictured selling me a beta key. I took this screen shot (http://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B2qso5QgGmsiZjU2MzFhNzAtNjBlNi00ZWUwLWIzM2ItMTA1ZGJiYTUwMDE2&hl=en) and passed it along to those who I believed could get the evidence into the hands of Square Enix and Curse (the network sponsoring FFXIVCore). I must credit Elmer for helping me in this regard, he continues to command my respect and admiration for his assistance in this private matter.

I have been working to keep all of this as quiet as possible but have recently been smeared publicly by Zyuu on said site. Thus I will put forth my side of the story wherever I can, since Zyuu has had my IP banned from his site.

In the screen shot you can clearly see that Zyuu made absolutely no attempt to direct me to a Donation function of his site, nor did he ever claim that he was not in fact selling keys. Instead he states that $100.00USD is minimal for a low ranking fan such as myself to get on some mythical list for a key. After some drama played out on his forums regarding this for-profit scheme he tried to spin it as a donation-for-beta scheme which should be of some interest to his sponsors at the Curse Network. He locked the thread about keys for USD and then had several mods post on the locked thread to try and repair the damage.

Among other things Zyuu is reported, by my sources, as confirming a beta start date. He is known to have sold at least one key to a staff member for $50.00USD paid to his personal paypal account. He is known to have also propositioned at least 2 other members, one of which went public about his purchase in the Core public IRC.

/jedimindwipe These aren't the lock buttons you are looking for, you can go about your buisiness...

Edited, Feb 17th 2010 10:17pm by Kaolian

Edited, Aug 6th 2010 7:46pm by Pikko Lock Thread: ye olde thread
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#2 Feb 16 2010 at 5:45 AM Rating: Good
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Wait...is this all true?

Sorry if that sounds like a dumb thing to ask but... I can't believe this is happening :(
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I'm sad to say it is 100% factual. And if it weren't for Zyuu using my name publicly on his forums it would have stayed in PM's.
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#4 Feb 16 2010 at 6:05 AM Rating: Default
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This is a short reply right now. I'll write more later most likely.

You're not banned from FFXIVCore, and never have been.

I have never smeared you in public.

This is the full PM conversation, not taken out of context. http://74.52.9.190/thethingy.jpg / http://74.52.9.190/Untitled-5.png

I have no guaranteed keys from Curse/Square Enix.

I do not know when the beta starts.


Please do not lie.

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Follow-up information, to keep it in the same reply:

I was contacted by Dex, since he were told by someone else. And I decided that it's not possible for me to promise something like that, nor was it worth what would happen if I tried to promise it, so I said I can't do it and any possible (see: possible, I don't even know yet!) future keys will go out through contests/giveaways.

Did I let greed get the better of me but changed my mind? Yes I did and I apologize for thinking like that. As proven by the post I made here (before Dex started posting this thread) http://www.ffxivcore.com/topic/3704-donations-for-beta-keys/page__view__findpost__p__69993


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" So, this means that Zyuu knows that FFXIV beta keys will be given to fansites including his own. Square Enix probably contacted him about getting beta keys to hand out in the future or something. This could be the "I have some very exciting information i hope to share in the near future" that he posted in a thread without ever following up on it. If this was or was intended to bean acceptance of a personal donation that would be used for personal accomodation then i don't think that's acceptable.
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No I haven't discussed keys with Square Enix. Nor do I "know" if fansites will get them. In FFXI they didnt. And the information I wanted to share was about the new version of FFXIVCore, which still isnt ready, so no real info have been shared yet! Look forward to it!

Edited, Feb 16th 2010 7:53am by ZyuuFFXIVCore
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A war is coming, i believe. Which side will win?

Popcorn ready! I'm interested to see all of this drama unfold.

Edited, Feb 16th 2010 7:12am by KeeperOfTheStaff
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I'm reading the thread now I think, I see what you mean about the Mods jumping on to try and cool things down but the general feeling from the community is scandal!
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Also note that the 'gateway timed out' issues we've had the last days is due to network outages in New York where FFXIVCore.com is hosted. Is that what you might think is you being banned? We're expericing that right now too actually. Rest assured though, you're not banned and wont be because of this either.
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#9 Feb 16 2010 at 6:23 AM Rating: Excellent
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Zyuu has been requesting amounts of money to get those paying a Beta key for FFXIV. $100.00 USD is the going rate if he doesn't know you.
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I dunno whats worse, this situation whether its true or not. Or, that chap in the screenshot who is going to be moving house, is trying to save up for it, and is still going to sink $200 just to access an unfinished game earlier that everyone else.

Oh world, you have some interesting folk!
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#11 Feb 16 2010 at 6:30 AM Rating: Default
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That's not true. I was contacted by Dex, since he were told by someone else. And I decided that it's not possible for me to promise something like that, nor was it worth what would happen if I tried to promise it, so I said I can't do it and any possible (see: possible, I don't even know yet!) future keys will go out through contests/giveaways.

Did I let greed get the better of me but changed my mind? Yes I did and I apologize for thinking like that. As proven by the post I made here (before Dex started posting this thread) http://www.ffxivcore.com/topic/3704-donations-for-beta-keys/page__view__findpost__p__69993
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ZyuuFFXIVCore wrote:
Did I let greed get the better of me but changed my mind? Yes I did and I apologize for thinking like that.



Wait, what? So did you try to sell a key that you don't have and then change your mind after being called out on it, or not? I'm not clicking on any of those links.
#13 Feb 16 2010 at 6:42 AM Rating: Default
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No, since I do not have any keys. I was tempted to try get the person a key, but decided it wasn't possible. That's what I mean with being greedy. I feel when I think about it, that I was greedy and I prefer to be completely transparent. I should have given a straight no answer right away, but I didn't - and that's my fault and greed IMO.

To say it again, I nor Curse have any keys. Nor do we know if we will get any. Neither do we know when the beta starts.
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So, this means that Zyuu knows that FFXIV beta keys will be given to fansites including his own. Square Enix probably contacted him about getting beta keys to hand out in the future or something. This could be the "I have some very exciting information i hope to share in the near future" that he posted in a thread without ever following up on it. If this was or was intended to bean acceptance of a personal donation that would be used for personal accomodation then i don't think that's acceptable.
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Some people have more money then sense.

Paying for something that's going to be deleted after a few months seems pretty pointless

#16 Feb 16 2010 at 6:50 AM Rating: Good
All of this is well and good, but there's one burning question in the back of my mind...

Why the **** bring your drama here?

Edited, Feb 16th 2010 4:50am by AureliusSir
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Hey KeeperOfTheStaff, pass the popcorn this way please.
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Jerry Jerry Jerry Jerry!!!...all I have to say...for now.
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#19ZyuuFFXIVCore, Posted: Feb 16 2010 at 6:58 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Keeperofthestaff, I replied to your latest post in my first reply in this thread - please read it.
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Ah, ok. I was just a little confused there i suppose but that clears it up.



Edited, Feb 18th 2010 1:20pm by KeeperOfTheStaff
#21 Feb 18 2010 at 12:18 AM Rating: Excellent
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Wow, so is that what i've been doing wrong all these years???

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Oooooo popcorn! Yum.
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I understand your decision to decline Dex's offer, but what made you think you could even get beta keys to sell in the first place? Also, you made it seem like even after people made the "donation", there was a chance they wouldn't actually get a key; they were purchasing a chance to get the key. Would you have refunded their money in that case? Oh wait, you wouldn't have, hence the title of "donation"...
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WOW... no idea what to make of any of this.

At any rate.... in.
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I have a beta key from FF13 but I have no idea how to use it....I might just give it away for free
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XboxSkidz wrote:
I understand your decision to decline Dex's offer, but what made you think you could even get beta keys to sell in the first place? Also, you made it seem like even after people made the "donation", there was a chance they wouldn't actually get a key; they were purchasing a chance to get the key. Would you have refunded their money in that case? Oh wait, you wouldn't have, hence the title of "donation"...


This is my inclination too. It all seems very sketchy.

Letting greed get the better of you? I'll say. Sounds like an outright scam. Pretty sad if it's all true (I'm reserving a small bit of skepticism to account for how easy it is to fake stuff on the internet).

On the other side of things, I wonder if this'll become the wave of the future...fansites acting as middle-men, leveraging their proximity to game information and experiences into additional fees for their audience.
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I know from personal experience that making people buy "lottery tickets" for a chance to win a prize is totally illegal in Hawaii. Smiley: mad Not that he lives here, just saying, it's considered gambling.
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I always thought MMO drama was worth more than $100. I was wrong.
#30 Feb 18 2010 at 7:53 AM Rating: Good
can i buy one for $200?

(nom nom nom popcorn nom nom nom)
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I know from personal experience that making people buy "lottery tickets" for a chance to win a prize is totally illegal in Hawaii. Smiley: mad Not that he lives here, just saying, it's considered gambling.


I did not realize it was illegal to gamble there. Curious from the way this is worded, do you not have 50/50 raffles either for things like school fund raisers?

edit: ohhhhh 1000 post, a new mile stone for me.

Edited, Feb 18th 2010 9:32am by shibaaa
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/ears perk up at the sound of drama as she reaches for the popcorn.

This sounds to me like they know they're getting keys. Who is Evicerator? He seems to also be involved. Oh, and this may answer our questions about why the beta application asks about running a fansite.

And as for you, Dex: Don't spend money like this on a beta key, especially when you should be saving. I don't care if you were given permission; it's still not in your best interests right now.



Edited, Feb 18th 2010 10:51am by KierraXIV
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I'd like to believe Zyuu, but I'm also confused why he thinks it's ok to sell off beta keys to the highest bidder as opposed to something legitimate like randomly distributing them to official members of his site. Zyuu, I don't think Dex really took it out of context at all. The additional conversation you posted just shows that you realized what you were doing was wrong and you cancelled before the transaction actually occurred. Maybe you could give us the full details of what you were planning on doing with any beta keys you may or may not have received? For example, did you sell one to a staff member for $50? You say Future keys are going out to contests/giveaways, are you implying the previous keys have already been sold?
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No, Zyuu issued an apology stating he in no way has keys or has been promised keys. While an apology is a step in the right direction, it just makes what he did worse IMO, cause he was trying to sell something he is now admitting he never had. Even though I've been here over six years, I'm pretty sure if I did something like that I'd have been fired.

As for gambling in Hawaii, myself and another Hawaii bento blogger tried to raise money for Haiti with a fundraiser where people would donate to us at least $5 and we'd in turn donate 100% of the money to the Red Cross. For every 5 dollars donated, we'd give them a "ticket" to win a big bento prize. In the end, we had to make it so that anyone could enter for free, regardless of donating. It really sucked and we offered people refunds and while some took it, most people just left their donations as is.
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#37 Feb 18 2010 at 10:57 AM Rating: Good
someone just inform se of this so that nobody associated with the web site gets beta keys. leaders of the ff mmo community should know better then to do something that stupid.
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No, since I do not have any keys. I was tempted to try get the person a key, but decided it wasn't possible. That's what I mean with being greedy.


"I tried to sell keys until I realised that doing so was not yet possible."

Two months from now: "Who wants a beta key for $100?"
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In the end, we had to make it so that anyone could enter for free, regardless of donating. It really sucked and we offered people refunds and while some took it, most people just left their donations as is.


That would be US gambling rules. If you have to pay for entry it is considered a lottery, if everyone can enter regardless of payment it is considered a sweepstakes. One is illegal in most states unless sponsored by the government and the other isn't. And even in the legal states you have to jump through a lot of hoops to make it legal. This is why when the fast food companies or beverage companies have games to win things it says everywhere that you don't have to actually buy anything to enter and they offer whatever codes there are online or through mail.


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Interesting,

forget about the keys to the unfinished game.
I will sell my FFXI game discs for 50bucks, and I will also give you the real keys.
how's that?
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I'd like to believe Zyuu, but I'm also confused why he thinks it's ok to sell off beta keys to the highest bidder as opposed to something legitimate like randomly distributing them to official members of his site. Zyuu, I don't think Dex really took it out of context at all. The additional conversation you posted just shows that you realized what you were doing was wrong and you cancelled before the transaction actually occurred. Maybe you could give us the full details of what you were planning on doing with any beta keys you may or may not have received? For example, did you sell one to a staff member for $50? You say Future keys are going out to contests/giveaways, are you implying the previous keys have already been sold?


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someone just inform se of this so that nobody associated with the web site gets beta keys. leaders of the ff mmo community should know better then to do something that stupid.


^^and this

How is this right in any way shape or form? Regardless of whether Zyuu changed his mind, he was going to do it before he either got called out on it, or changed his mind of his own free will, and that is so many different levels of shady in my opinion. I stopped frequenting Core after the translation snafu, but after this, there's no chance in **** that I'll ever go back there again. I won't recommend the site, or use any of its information. It's unfortunate, because Core could have been a great community, but after this, I'll make sure to let people know what goes on there. I'm just one person, and it's just my opinion, but I will share it with my guildmates and anyone else I can. Curse has had a rough couple of weeks, with the AionSource hacking, which is another reason I don't feel comfortable frequenting their sites now. This just gives another valid reason not to.

I hope that this information is passed to Squenix, and I hope that they take it into consideration when they do pass out beta keys. They should be going to sites that are trustworthy and reliable; sites that will pass them out in a fair manner.
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I honestly think that Zyuu should have been fired for this but he just a slap on the wrist. The best thing he can do if he really cares about FFXIVCore is to step down and let someone else take the position of site admin.
#46Lovestospoon, Posted: Feb 18 2010 at 12:58 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) why would u tyr to rat him out? imo ur a @#%^ing lil ***** for trying. Go rat some where else, no1 gives a sh*t, becuz if u were the first to have a beta key, u would be braggin about it
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#48 Feb 18 2010 at 1:27 PM Rating: Good
The original admin of aionsource got fired just for peeking into restricted info, and putting it on the website. Trying to scam people with bogus info is even worse in my book. Curse oughtta have a good look at this situation.
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I'd rather not have to deal with this sort of nonsense here. However, if this sort of thing is going on anywhere, it's important for us to know. If the allegations are true and this is really what's happening, I don't want to think about how SE will react or how beta selection and participation will change.

I don't care for forum wars, but this kind of garbage is just disrespectful to the real fans; clearly Zyuu is not a real fan. It's every bit as disgusting and harmful to the players as RMT. I'm pretty sure that when a game company gives beta keys to fansites to distribute, they come with a very strict list of rules and guidelines for said distribution, and I'm just guessing that one of those rules is "do not sell." Whether or not Zyuu actually had the keys to sell is irrelevant, he obviously has no right to do so either way, and now his attempt to do so may have repercussions that affect the rest of us.

If we get any announcements about the beta being delayed or fewer keys being distributed because of the actions of a fansite, we'll know who to point our fingers at.

Edited, Feb 18th 2010 2:41pm by TraumaFox
#50 Feb 18 2010 at 1:58 PM Rating: Good
I suppose the idea that SE would give out special beta passes this early on to premium sites isn't unheard of... but I still find it a little disturbing in some ways. I'd really rather have closed beta be based on something other than potential favoritism...

But it sounds like the guy never had keys in the first place if I'm following this correctly, so really he's nothing more than a con artist.

PS. Pikko, that's awesome about you trying to help the Red Cross with Haiti. Sorry it went down so badly.
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It didn't go down that badly, we raised just over $600 and donated all of it to the RC effort. Smiley: nod

I really don't see how this would affect the beta schedule at all, so I wouldn't worry in that regard.
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