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#1 Feb 21 2010 at 4:10 PM Rating: Default
The new racial name changes are clunky and do not roll off the tongue (if you can even get them rolling in the first place) It is an unnecessary and confusing alteration for older players (as well as new ones, I'm sure)

And just about every name I've heard in FFXIV sounds like it came from a fantasy name generator. (e.g. http://www.rinkworks.com/namegen/ )


Miqo'te? Roegadyn? Thaumaturge?

Really...?!
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Go back to FFXI if you're not willing to cope with the changes.
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Names of races don't bother me because you could easily call them the FFXI's way of naming them or could suck it up and just pronounce them the best you can. Either way does it really matter? How many times are you going to actually say the new names out loud!?
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The most annoying part about this complaint is that if FFXI had arbitrarily used Miquo'te and Roegadyn Ethereal would almost certainly be complaining that Mithra and Galka are clunky and confusing.

Narrow perspectives ftl.
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The most annoying part about this complaint is that if FFXI had arbitrarily used Miquo'te and Roegadyn Ethereal would almost certainly be complaining that Mithra and Galka are clunky and confusing.

Narrow perspectives ftl.


Can't say I agree. "Mithra and Galka" are infinitely easier to say then "Miquo'te and Roegadyn", there's no getting around that. Sure people might have been used to it by now, but it's not just a matter of one name is just the same as another.

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Can't say I agree. "Mithra and Galka" are infinitely easier to say then "Miquo'te and Roegadyn"


Why? I don't see any difference between Mithra and Miqo'te, and Roegadyn's only downside is that it's a longer word than Galka.
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Can't say I agree. "Mithra and Galka" are infinitely easier to say then "Miquo'te and Roegadyn", there's no getting around that. Sure people might have been used to it by now, but it's not just a matter of one name is just the same as another.


I have to admit I feel the same way.

Mithra, Galka and Elvaan are all 2 syllables long. Their new versions all contain an extra syllable and make it hard to make the transition.

Ontop of this Miquo'te and Roegadyn are just not aesthetically pleasing to the eye as their former names when reading.

With all this said, I don't really care myself, but that isn't to say that these issues don't exist.
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Thaumaturge is an actual word :p



I occasionally might call the new races with the old names just to ease my disappointment with a healthy dose of spite. It's petty, but it does make me feel better.

/cheers

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With all the similarities, the new race names just seem superficial to me.

It would be like them giving Ifrit or Chocobos different names just for the sake of saying its new and different.
#11 Feb 21 2010 at 5:21 PM Rating: Good
If the races were all entirely unique and not revamped FFXI races, would the name change still bother you? Something tells me it wouldn't.

I agree, however, the names like Miqo'te are a bit...ya. I wouldn't really feel right adjusting it to Miqote, but having the apostrophe in the middle of the word bugs me for some reason.
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The new racial name changes are clunky and do not roll off the tongue (if you can even get them rolling in the first place) It is an unnecessary and confusing alteration for older players (as well as new ones, I'm sure)

And just about every name I've heard in FFXIV sounds like it came from a fantasy name generator. (e.g. http://www.rinkworks.com/namegen/ )


Miqo'te? Roegadyn? Thaumaturge?

Really...?!


I'm not crazy about the new names either, personally. They definitely do sound like generic fantasy name generator names, or something from the movie Avatar.

But c'mon...it's no big deal. Just a cosmetic change. Like I always say when this thread rolls around: "What's in a name? That which we call a Galka by any other name would smell as sweet."

...or something like that.
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Can't say I agree. "Mithra and Galka" are infinitely easier to say then "Miquo'te and Roegadyn"


Why? I don't see any difference between Mithra and Miqo'te, and Roegadyn's only downside is that it's a longer word than Galka.


Well do I say it like 'Chakotay'*, do I say it like 'Mickle Tea', or do I just call a Mithra a Mithra and save myself the time? As for Roegadyn, is that a race or a hair growth product?

To tell the truth, I couldn't care less about the names, it's certainly not the most pressing issue. Still I can't help but find the hostility to any perceived dissatisfaction with this upcoming game absolutely hilarious.

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I agree with an earlier post, we're not really going to be saying the names out loud very much unless we're talking to ourselves, which I do not plan to partake in. My issue is having to type out the words, which I'm sure auto-translate will fix completely. People will probably come up with shorter nicknames for the races just like people use abbreviations for the classes, i.e. WAR, SMN, BLU. I'll probably just end up calling the galkas Roes. I'm lazy.
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Can't say I agree. "Mithra and Galka" are infinitely easier to say then "Miquo'te and Roegadyn"


Why? I don't see any difference between Mithra and Miqo'te, and Roegadyn's only downside is that it's a longer word than Galka.


Well do I say it like 'Chakotay'*, do I say it like 'Mickle Tea', or do I just call a Mithra a Mithra and save myself the time? As for Roegadyn, is that a race or a hair growth product?

To tell the truth, I couldn't care less about the names, it's certainly not the most pressing issue. Still I can't help but find the hostility to any perceived dissatisfaction with this upcoming game absolutely hilarious.

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I'll flip that one right around and add that I can't help but find the hostility to any insignificant change in this upcoming game absolutely hilarious.

Actually, it doesn't bother me either way. Just playing devil's advocate.




PS: Is it "M-ith-ra" with a soft "I" or "M-ee-thra" with a long one? (Rhetorical question)


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Well do I say it like 'Chakotay'*, do I say it like 'Mickle Tea', or do I just call a Mithra a Mithra and save myself the time? As for Roegadyn, is that a race or a hair growth product?

To tell the truth, I couldn't care less about the names, it's certainly not the most pressing issue. Still I can't help but find the hostility to any perceived dissatisfaction with this upcoming game absolutely hilarious.


Indeed, indeed.. Just call Eorzea Vana'diel and Ul'dah Bastok and save yourself the time. Don't forget to call Gladiator Warrior, to save the time needed to learn the new, hard words!

I don't care about that guy not liking the new names, but it ****** me off to hear the people "use the old names in-game because the new names suck". It's a new game, the names are new, cope with it or -->

It's not FFXI as much as you'd like it. Don't like the new names, but being stuck in the past is not the way to go at it.
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There's supposedly going to be some amount of voice acting in this game, perhaps we will hear all the race names pronounced.

Though I'm pretty sure (as with most movies and voice overs) one actor will insist on pronouncing them all in a very odd manner.
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Because it's so hard to say Miqo and Roe.
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The new racial name changes are clunky and do not roll off the tongue (if you can even get them rolling in the first place) It is an unnecessary and confusing alteration for older players (as well as new ones, I'm sure)

And just about every name I've heard in FFXIV sounds like it came from a fantasy name generator. (e.g. http://www.rinkworks.com/namegen/ )


Miqo'te? Roegadyn? Thaumaturge?

Really...?!


as someone said earlier Thaumaturge is a real word, google will in fact give you many links that show it is even *gasp!* appropriately used. I never had a problem with the new race names, and honestly if you find a new game with different names to be confusing... stick with ffxi.

if you generate enough names with that name generator you linked I'm sure you could find every npc name in ffxi just about. I'm really having trouble taking your post seriously, it reminds me of when my daughter complains because I gave her a yellow sippy cup and she doesn't like yellow. If you don't like it drink (ie play) something else.

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Can't say I agree. "Mithra and Galka" are infinitely easier to say then "Miquo'te and Roegadyn", there's no getting around that. Sure people might have been used to it by now, but it's not just a matter of one name is just the same as another.

I dunno, honestly Migquo'te and Roegadyn seem pretty simple to me.
Mee ko tay Roe guh din


at least that's how I read them as when I first saw them. I probably dwelled on the pronunciation for all of two seconds in all honesty.

At the end of the day my wife will call Miquo'te's "kitties" just like she did in ffxi, and probably refer to Roegadyn's as glaka's.


Edited, Feb 21st 2010 5:42pm by saiyandon
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I may catch myself using the FFXI names when talking about the game outloud until I'm comfortable with the new ones. Granted at first glace I don't particularly care for them but new game means new things.

I bet SE won't include the old races in the auto-translate, if for nothing else but to push the issue of us using the new names.
Of course the argument on that is "Why would they bother to include things that aren't part of the game?"
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I'll continue calling them by their proper names: Humans, Cats, Dogs, Pointy Eared Guys and Midgets.
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Feh. It's not even dog anymore. No tail, no animal nose.
Poor ******* is just a human with pituitary gigantism.

What does it say when 3/5ths your fantasy characters are medical conditions?

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The new racial name changes are clunky and do not roll off the tongue (if you can even get them rolling in the first place) It is an unnecessary and confusing alteration for older players (as well as new ones, I'm sure)

And just about every name I've heard in FFXIV sounds like it came from a fantasy name generator. (e.g. http://www.rinkworks.com/namegen/ )


Miqo'te? Roegadyn? Thaumaturge?

Really...?!


I did not know that existed, I adore you. (I suck at coming up with names. Badly. D:)
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What's with all the ***** and there "Like the new names or GTFO!" comments? Cause no, I dont like the new names and no, I don't plan on going back to FFXI. I'm sure sometime in the future I'll warm up to them.
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If you don't like the new names then you can git out.

On a serious note, just keep calling them Galka and Mithra if it bothers you so much.
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What's with all the ***** and there "Like the new names or GTFO!" comments? Cause no, I dont like the new names and no, I don't plan on going back to FFXI. I'm sure sometime in the future I'll warm up to them.


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If they'd come up with new races, the new names would have fit. But having the same look and calling them by different names is... well, I think they were fairly lazy about creating the races in FFXIV.
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If they'd come up with new races, the new names would have fit. But having the same look and calling them by different names is... well, I think they were fairly lazy about creating the races in FFXIV.


Do you really think that they were lazy? As in...the developers just collectively said "Nah, F*** it."?

If you've read any of the interviews, there's a clear method to their madness....they didn't want to alienate their existing FFXI fanbase. It didn't bother me much before, but now I'm beginning to think that it's kind of pathetic that their own fans can't appreciate a decision that's obviously built to accommodate them.
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What's with all the ***** and there "Like the new names or GTFO!" comments? Cause no, I dont like the new names and no, I don't plan on going back to FFXI. I'm sure sometime in the future I'll warm up to them.


"Wohoo, new game! Instead of playing it like you're supposed to I'll keep on calling everything with their old names because I just can't get used to anything new! At the same time every new player will be like "wtf?" when I'm too freaking lazy to type out "Roe" or "Miqo". Well, at least that way I can point out my superiority over other players in the game because I have played the predecessor, so I have more experience!"

Nobody wants to see an elitist ex-FFXI player with a "holier than thou" attitude. You'll just confuse everyone by being too stubborn to adapt.

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If they'd come up with new races, the new names would have fit. But having the same look and calling them by different names is... well, I think they were fairly lazy about creating the races in FFXIV.


There's no such a thing as "being lazy" when making any product.................

Do you think that the Director is too lazy to go to the Art department and tell some of the artists "hey, come up with 5 new races! You've got 4 years to do that"? It makes absolutely no sense.

Director orders the employee's to do something, and the employee's do it. Go and tell the director "Eh I'm too lazy to do that" and I'm pretty confident you'll be kicked out of the company the same day.
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Your not going to be saying the races names on voice chat, your going to be saying the player's names. The auto translate function is easy enough to use if you don't know how to spell out "Roe-G-a-dyn" lol. We're not going to be playing Final Fantasy XI so use the new races names, hoes.

Player from WoW: What race are you?
Player from FF11: I'm a Galaka.
Player from WoW: What the **** is that??!

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"Wohoo, new game! Instead of playing it like you're supposed to I'll keep on calling everything with their old names because I just can't get used to anything new! At the same time every new player will be like "wtf?" when I'm too freaking lazy to type out "Roe" or "Miqo". Well, at least that way I can point out my superiority over other players in the game because I have played the predecessor, so I have more experience!"

Nobody wants to see an elitist ex-FFXI player with a "holier than thou" attitude. You'll just confuse everyone by being too stubborn to adapt.


You got all that from what I said? You must be confusing me with the TC cause I never said I'd be using the old names. I was only stating my distaste for the new names and saying how its a little extream to expect people to like it or GTFO. Come back when you're not busy pulling stuff from your ASSuptions.
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You got all that from what I said? You must be confusing me with the TC cause I never said I'd be using the old names. I was only stating my distaste for the new names and saying how its a little extream to expect people to like it or GTFO. Come back when you're not busy pulling stuff from your ASSuptions.


You asked whats with the "****'s" and there comments.. and I answered you.

The problem is not liking the names, you're free to like whatever you want.. the problem is not using the new names because you're too stubborn to adapt.

And by "you" I mean someone in general, not specifically you.
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What's with all the ***** and there "Like the new names or GTFO!" comments? Cause no, I dont like the new names and no, I don't plan on going back to FFXI. I'm sure sometime in the future I'll warm up to them.


"Wohoo, new game! Instead of playing it like you're supposed to I'll keep on calling everything with their old names because I just can't get used to anything new! At the same time every new player will be like "wtf?" when I'm too freaking lazy to type out "Roe" or "Miqo". Well, at least that way I can point out my superiority over other players in the game because I have played the predecessor, so I have more experience!"

Nobody wants to see an elitist ex-FFXI player with a "holier than thou" attitude. You'll just confuse everyone by being too stubborn to adapt.

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If they'd come up with new races, the new names would have fit. But having the same look and calling them by different names is... well, I think they were fairly lazy about creating the races in FFXIV.


There's no such a thing as "being lazy" when making any product.................

Do you think that the Director is too lazy to go to the Art department and tell some of the artists "hey, come up with 5 new races! You've got 4 years to do that"? It makes absolutely no sense.

Director orders the employee's to do something, and the employee's do it. Go and tell the director "Eh I'm too lazy to do that" and I'm pretty confident you'll be kicked out of the company the same day.


OK, I had written a long *** post, but I'm on my iPod atm using campus Internet and it screwed up on me.

Maybe I'll come back later and address it fully, untill then here's the cliff notes: your entire post makes no sense.
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Lol no joke. Personally I like the new names aside from lalafell, which is equally as silly as tarutaru is /shrug.
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i love "lalafell"... if you split it up it's exactly what you can imagine a tarutaru doing.. skipping along singing "la la" and then falling :D the other names are pretty simple to pronounce too, though whether it's roe-ga-din or roe-guh-din i'm currently unsure.. (americans i can see going for the former and brits going for the latter).. i'm more interested in what their abrieviations will be... lalafell is obvious.. llf or lal(a) (depending on if people resort to 3 or 4 character abreviations). miquo'te could be 'miq(u)', 'mit(e)'.. and roegadyn... roe(g)? rgd? rod? (haha)... no idea for them... FFXI did have the benefit of more obviously easier to pronounce names along with more obvious abrieviations (mith, taru, galk, elv)
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i saw this coming a mile away a long time ago. I will still prolly call them by the old names. 4/5 years of calling them one thing and then calling them some weird name is just not going to work for some people.

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I still call "hume" humans and "elvaan" elves (or more commonly "giraffes" or "pointy ears"), so there is no way I'll be able to switch without some serious effort. Lalafell's name change I actaully like, I just hope (probably in vain) that they'll knock off this silly rhyming.

Most likely it'll end up like this:

hyur: human
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Lalafell: lalalas
Roegadyn: fatties*
Miqo't: miko (jp:<female shaman>)

I'm pretty sure people will figure it out




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i dunno why.... but the name lalafell always reminds me of falafel (the Halal food)... hmmm


back to topic...
like it or not... it's a new game, everybody will get used to the new names after a few months.
it's just like the first couple weeks in the year 2010, most ppl will still type or write 2009, but after awhile, you will get used to it and type 2010
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If the races were all entirely unique and not revamped FFXI races, would the name change still bother you? Something tells me it wouldn't.
Of course it wouldn't bother anyone because if they were entirely unique races, then it wouldn't be name changes.

Edit: Just to elaborate, if they had made the Miqote or whatever more bovine/canine/avian/whatever instead of feline and called them Mithras, I'd be equally dissatisfied.

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I actually really like the Mi'qote name. It's Lalafell that I want to DIAF.
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I actually really like the Mi'qote name. It's Lalafell that I want to DIAF.


Lalafell is indeed the worst. Sounds like the name of a teletubby. It's so cutesy I want to scream.
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I actually really like the Mi'qote name. It's Lalafell that I want to DIAF.


Lalafell is indeed the worst. Sounds like the name of a teletubby. It's so cutesy I want to scream.


Tarutaru isn't cute? Syllabic repetition like that is sort of the Japanese equivalent of the English -y for cutesyness, like "I'm gonna give you a huggy."

I have to say I agree, that of the changes Tarutaru to Lalafell will probably be my slowest adaption as well, but probably because I find Taru to be an even cuter name.



Incidentally, if you're so inept at pronouncing words, and too impatient to wait until the game is released with voice acting definitively stating the English pronunciation, you can't **** up the Japanese pronunciation.

Mi'qote ミコッテ Mi ko tte

Me as in "Me"
Co as in "Cohort"
Tay as in "Otay" (Not a real word, I know, but was drawing blanks)

Incidentally, I can guarantee you this will be the way to pronounce it in English too, considering it's very obvious.

Roegadyn ルガデイン Ru ga de i n

Roo as in "Root"
Ga as in "Gah"
Dean as in "Dean"

Fairly certain the English pronunciation will be "Row-gah-dean" but it's close enough either way.


If you're so lazy you can't spell out these words or say them, my use of Japanese here is appropriate, they have a lazy habit of shortening things, it's the in thing to do when typing about something especially. Even already short race names like Mithra/Misura can be found shortened to Mi or Misu in context, so start calling them Mi or Miqo or Roe or Roega.

If none of the endless possibilities strike your fancy, continue calling them by their old name, and find the new host of people playing who didn't play XI confused by your eccentricity, in which case you can respond by telling them to get off your lawn, and reciting stories about what happened "Back in your day."

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RamseySylph wrote:
Eske wrote:
Pikko wrote:
I actually really like the Mi'qote name. It's Lalafell that I want to DIAF.


Lalafell is indeed the worst. Sounds like the name of a teletubby. It's so cutesy I want to scream.


Tarutaru isn't cute?


It was almost always abbreviated to just "Taru", which suited me fine enough. :P
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The new racial name changes are clunky and do not roll off the tongue (if you can even get them rolling in the first place) It is an unnecessary and confusing alteration for older players (as well as new ones, I'm sure)

And just about every name I've heard in FFXIV sounds like it came from a fantasy name generator. (e.g. http://www.rinkworks.com/namegen/ )


Miqo'te? Roegadyn? Thaumaturge?

Really...?!

I feel obligated to point out that Thaumaturge is a class name, not a race name.

It is, as Zemzelette said, a real word.
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