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#52 Feb 23 2010 at 6:17 PM Rating: Decent
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The new racial name changes are clunky and do not roll off the tongue (if you can even get them rolling in the first place) It is an unnecessary and confusing alteration for older players (as well as new ones, I'm sure)

And just about every name I've heard in FFXIV sounds like it came from a fantasy name generator. (e.g. http://www.rinkworks.com/namegen/ )


Miqo'te? Roegadyn? Thaumaturge?

Really...?!


I just tried that "Fantasy name generator" and... you're completely right! XD
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#53 Feb 24 2010 at 3:56 PM Rating: Good
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The most annoying part about this complaint is that if FFXI had arbitrarily used Miquo'te and Roegadyn Ethereal would almost certainly be complaining that Mithra and Galka are clunky and confusing.

Narrow perspectives ftl.


Anyone who knows more than one language proficiently knows this to be entirely untrue.
As the immediate following poster mentioned, there is no comparison to the difficulty to the words galka and Miquo'te ? What I believe you are trying to say is that since we are used to galka its what we accept as the norm, and yes of course if I had a Miquo'te for 5 years I would be saying wtf is a galka!?

The real gripe is the fact that its a change of name and its the same character model as Aurelius pointed out. Agreed if the characters were completely different no one would have AS much to say about it. Well duh, because all FFXI players associate a taru with a taru etc. Nothing wrong with that.
I think they shoulda either changed both or neither. But who knows we may look at this post in 3 years and laugh, like I laughed at the word "Elvaan" before I played FFXI.
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#54 Feb 24 2010 at 4:31 PM Rating: Good
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I expect a lot of people to still use the terms Mithra, Galka, and Taru in FFXIV, at least for a while. I admit I probably will, if only out of force of habit.
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Fantasy games require Fantasy names, and part of the charm to those names can be the different ways in which we interpret their pronunciation. Like it or not, this will be a new game, and I have the utmost confidence that you'll adjust yourself to it eventually. I don't see the real need for a thread like this, but I'm becoming more understanding as to why people post them, because Left 4 Dead 2 should have been free, and Valve shouldn't have taken away botted hats.
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#56Lovestospoon, Posted: Feb 25 2010 at 1:07 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) its annoying reading those names in text, gnna be *** reading them throught ff story
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I personally find the new names unattractive and forced.

There is a commonality within FFXI that tends to make sense and from what I can tell was devised to promote an easy means of reiteration into the Japanese Language.

Galka for instance contains the letter "L" which is absent from the Japanese alphabet but it does allow for the easy pronunciation of Garuka with Japanese consonants.

Hyur, Elezen, Lalafell, Roegadyn and Miqo'te do not seem to have any sense of linguistic individuality among them at all. To me it feels like the race names were chosen without any thought of the ethnicity or culture behind the actual race. It is almost amusing how fantastic they are in pronunciation. I feel sorry for the Japanese to be honest.

In FFXI the preconceived recognition of each race was taken in account. Hume resembling Humans and Elvaan resembling... Elves. The rest of course being originally devised races understandably have no recognizable similarity with past Fantasy based ethnicity. However.. they vary enough to make it easy to stratify each race easily. Mithra for instance being a female race, starts with the Mi consonant, which is common with Japanese female names. Galka follows the same principle. TaruTaru follows the Japanese tendency to repeat nouns when describing something "cute" or personifying an object.

Hyur...? Elezen...? If you are going to go that far out with reinterpretations of those two race names, you might as well have dropped the slight reference all together. Why not just make them as obtuse as Roegadyns?

I won't even venture into place names which has equally failed to define a recognizable similarity with each culture. Its as if they just made up names for every place and they converted them into Romanian.

Edited, Feb 25th 2010 5:56am by patient
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#58 Feb 25 2010 at 10:10 AM Rating: Good
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I'll continue calling them by their proper names: Humans, Cats, Dogs, Pointy Eared Guys and Midgets.


Nice, but not midgets; we're "shorties". ^^

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If they'd come up with new races, the new names would have fit. But having the same look and calling them by different names is... well, I think they were fairly lazy about creating the races in FFXIV.


I have to agree even though I am happy to see the same looks return.

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Lol no joke. Personally I like the new names aside from lalafell, which is equally as silly as tarutaru is /shrug.


/basks in the warmth of the shortie hate
Tarutaru was a great race name! I think Lalafell fits the shorties too. I SERIOUSLY hope that the Lalafell have some kind of weird/funny/extremely annoying (take your pick) speech trait like the Tarutaru had. I can't wait to spend entire parties speaking like that again. ^^

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I actually really like the Mi'qote name. It's Lalafell that I want to DIAF.

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Lalafell is indeed the worst. Sounds like the name of a teletubby. It's so cutesy I want to scream.


As I've been reading this thread, I'm wondering how many people who don't like the whole Tarutaru/Lalafell/Shortie way of life are the ones who hate our race's new name. Knowing that Pikko was a shortie, well... all I can say is I like it.

I wish fantasy and sci-fi writers would either refer to a linguistic anthropologist or just stop using apostrophes in names. Apostrophized names are stupid. An apostrophe between two consonants or two vowels can make sense, but when the language which came up with the name is as simple as Japanese, Miqo'te and Miqote will sound exactly the same. I'm taking a guess here, but I bet the romanization of the Japanese is "Mikote". If so, Miqo'te and Miqote will sound the same. However, if it's "Mikotte", I think the apostrophe is justified as English doesn't really have any other way to represent that if they don't add the extra "t".*



*Thanks RamseySylph, for showing the kana of the race names. The romanization is "Mikotte", so the apostrophe makes sense.
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#59 Feb 28 2010 at 7:44 AM Rating: Good
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I'm extremely annoyed and disturbed that Roegadette and Manqo'te don't roll off the tongue as well as Girlka and Manthra.


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#60 Feb 28 2010 at 12:36 PM Rating: Good
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Ya, I don't think anything will match up to manthra. Just too easy.
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I personally find the new names unattractive and forced.

There is a commonality within FFXI that tends to make sense and from what I can tell was devised to promote an easy means of reiteration into the Japanese Language.

Galka for instance contains the letter "L" which is absent from the Japanese alphabet but it does allow for the easy pronunciation of Garuka with Japanese consonants.

Hyur, Elezen, Lalafell, Roegadyn and Miqo'te do not seem to have any sense of linguistic individuality among them at all. To me it feels like the race names were chosen without any thought of the ethnicity or culture behind the actual race. It is almost amusing how fantastic they are in pronunciation. I feel sorry for the Japanese to be honest.

In FFXI the preconceived recognition of each race was taken in account. Hume resembling Humans and Elvaan resembling... Elves. The rest of course being originally devised races understandably have no recognizable similarity with past Fantasy based ethnicity. However.. they vary enough to make it easy to stratify each race easily. Mithra for instance being a female race, starts with the Mi consonant, which is common with Japanese female names. Galka follows the same principle. TaruTaru follows the Japanese tendency to repeat nouns when describing something "cute" or personifying an object.

Hyur...? Elezen...? If you are going to go that far out with reinterpretations of those two race names, you might as well have dropped the slight reference all together. Why not just make them as obtuse as Roegadyns?

I won't even venture into place names which has equally failed to define a recognizable similarity with each culture. Its as if they just made up names for every place and they converted them into Romanian.

Edited, Feb 25th 2010 5:56am by patient


Hate to burst your bubble but Mithra is a Zorostrian Divinity, it's actually an Avestan word, that existed long, long before Final Fantasy came into being.

Galka, is polish for "Lump" and is a surname. So no, they were not cleverly constructed names to fit anything, perhaps cleverly used. Certainly, Galka are rather lumpish.

Moving on.


If you feel sorry for the Japanese you misunderstand how their language works. Feel sorry for yourself, for you like many others are so incomprehensibly overwhelmed by a collection of letters that seem "out of place" to you and therefore they are "inconceivable, difficult to pronounce and lacking in individuality."

ヒューラン
エレゼン
ララフェル
ミコッテ
ルガデイン

These are the races in Japanese, each one of those little characters ALWAYS produces the same sound - period. Someone might say something fast or with an accent, but those sounds always read the same. The Japanese will have no problem pronouncing these race names.

I would venture to say that the new race names not only have their own sense of individual identity, they fit well as a cohesive set, words that could have originated from a single language or similar languages, which would make sense in the context of the world. As well they appear to be mostly constructed, as opposed to ripped from other sources like names such as mentioned above.



I just noticed an interesting oversight, as I was reading everyone post about Hyur and thinking everyone had already just started shortening, on the Japanese site it's Hyuran, not Hyur, both in kana and in English.

Either way analyzing these, Hyur and Hyuran both seem suitable titles for the humans of this world, no less so than Hume. Elezen still pays its homage to the El root of Elf and Elvaan, and it has a sense of distinction about it, while being a bit less forceful at the end than Elvaan is, I tend to have a sense that we will see some changes to how races behave, be they minor it seems appropriate unless the Elvaan are once again stuck up knights living steeped in tradition.

Miqo'te is perfectly appropriate, based on your own justification "Mi" is a feminine character, not only that "Miko" is a female name entirely. For starters Mithra and Miqo'te are not female only races, even if we can only play as females, even so there is certainly a feminine note to Miqo'te with the rising innotation from "Mi" followed by the aspirated "ko."

Roegadyn is forceful and masculine in pronunciation, in fact I would say it is more forceful than Galka.

It's all opinion, and your opinion is not invalid, but your facts and apparent understanding of the plight of the Japanese player are.
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As a long-time FFXI player, I at first raged against the new names.. I was just shocked and they sounded completely unnatural and forced.

But I have to admit. After having pronounced them out loud so many times to my husband over and over and over again over the past while.. they've grown on me. These new names are now rolling off my tongue with a familiar ease and grace.

... I can now officially say that I've made my peace with the new names fully, and I actually enjoy them. Guess it just took me some time to warm up to them.
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I was recently disappointed to find out (from the ffiv remake non-the-less) that eidolon is pronounced eye-doh-lons as opposed to eye'duh-lons as I had first thought in ffix :<

OT I always thought Galka was a silly name, and Elvaan/Hume just cheap twists on old staples. But damnit Tarutaru/barrelbarrel is win. :'( /Nostalgia
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#64 Mar 06 2010 at 5:46 PM Rating: Decent
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I have to agree, they don't just roll off the tongue. And some, I know I cannot pronounce. I will try, and hope no one laughs too hard, when I mis pronounce the names:)
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3 syllables is too difficult, but 2 is fine? Wow... I'll help you! Say it with me:

Miqo'te - Mi-ko-tay
Roegadyn - Row-gah-dine

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Edited, Mar 7th 2010 7:28am by Diamondis
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I'll continue calling them by their proper names: Humans, Cats, Dogs, Pointy Eared Guys and Midgets.



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#67 Mar 08 2010 at 2:29 PM Rating: Decent
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I don't have a problem with the new names. Honestly it's almost silly to call them "new" names as if the races in this game had different names at some point. I already feel bad for new players; people are going to be slinging around the FFXI race names, and people who have never played FFXI are going to be like "What? Huh?"

If FFXIV's races had no similarity to FFXI's races, I don't think anyone would be complaining about the names, we'd just accept them as-is. Instead we're getting this "Well if I use the FFXI race names, everyone knows what I'm talking about, so why not?" mentality which is really just stubborn and bound to cause problems as stated above.
#68 Mar 08 2010 at 9:16 PM Rating: Decent
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3 syllables is too difficult, but 2 is fine? Wow... I'll help you! Say it with me:

Miqo'te - Mi-ko-tay
Roegadyn - Row-gah-dine


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It's like people don't even read the first page

Edited, Mar 8th 2010 10:17pm by shintasama
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***** the names. I would've loved to see new races. If SE wanted to reuse a couple of races from FFXI, that's fine... lord knows they have certain races in the FF universe that has been used often (like those bunny eared humans)

No offense to galkas...but FFXIV having ronzos instead of castrated galka-clones would've been EPIC. Or ****...bring in those strange bunny eared people...

Anything other than just FFXI-2. Smiley: banghead
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No FFX-2 either. That game doesn't exist, it was just a big april fools joke.
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***** the names. I would've loved to see new races. If SE wanted to reuse a couple of races from FFXI, that's fine... lord knows they have certain races in the FF universe that has been used often (like those bunny eared humans)

No offense to galkas...but FFXIV having ronzos instead of castrated galka-clones would've been EPIC. Or ****...bring in those strange bunny eared people...

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***** the names. I would've loved to see new races. If SE wanted to reuse a couple of races from FFXI, that's fine... lord knows they have certain races in the FF universe that has been used often (like those bunny eared humans)
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The only one that is hard to pronounce for me is the new galka. Though the hume could go two ways.

Otherwise all the others are easy and I like them.

Elezen (L-eez-en)
Lalafell (La-La-Fell) [Not much different than Tarutaru]
Hyur (Hi-ur or He-ur)
Miqo'te (Me-ke-o-tea)

Roegadyn You got me. lol Maybe: (Row-***-din or Row-gad-in)



I didn't read anything beyond the OP BTW so. Also, those are my first attempts at pronouncing them, so I could be off, but either way, I like em.

Edited, Mar 9th 2010 1:21am by Grawbad
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It's like people don't even read the first page
If they did, the ridiculous "You wouldn't have a problem with new names if they were new races" premise wouldn't have come up two more times.
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I'm fairly confident that SE created these new, yet similar races with different names knowing that soon after the FFXI fanboys/girls stop being lazy (which should really only last a couple months at the most), they will call the races by their proper names. Honestly, everyone is crying/arguing about this now, but everyone knows that once the actual game comes out...this will not be an issue at all. Someone can quote me on that and if I'm wrong, I'll gladly eat my words but I highly doubt it.

And for me personally, I see more differences in the races than I do similarities. But maybe it's just my slight attention to detail, especially when it's on a topic that several people are arguing about.
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"I don't like these races because they're the same, we've seen them before, we want something new."

"I wish they would have used XYZ race from this other Final Fantasy that we've seen before and isn't new."

So let me get this straight, some of you can't wait to see yet another game with Ivalice races in it (there are like, four, not even counting those iPhone games), but two games with XI races (and only cosmetically, at that) equals OH GOD SO UNORIGINAL. Right.

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#78 Mar 09 2010 at 3:56 PM Rating: Good
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Professor shintasama wrote:
It's like people don't even read the first page
If they did, the ridiculous "You wouldn't have a problem with new names if they were new races" premise wouldn't have come up two more times.
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I didn't read anything beyond the OP BTW
At least this guy is an honest about his obliviousness I guess?
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***** the names. I would've loved to see new races. If SE wanted to reuse a couple of races from FFXI, that's fine... lord knows they have certain races in the FF universe that has been used often (like those bunny eared humans)
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