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#1 Feb 24 2010 at 4:39 PM Rating: Good
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Okay, i just read that the PC-version of the Square Enix game "Just Cause 2" will not run on Windows XP due the fact it will have DX10 features.

Does this mean that FFXIV will also not be working under windows XP ? This would totally suck! If you think Gamer, you KNOW that windows XP is still the best. If FFXIV will only work with Vista/win7, i will refrain from buying this game.

source: http://www.bluesnews.com/s/107697/no-winxp-support-in-just-cause-2
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Okay, i just read that the PC-version of the Square Enix game "Just Cause 2" will not run on Windows XP due the fact it will have DX10 features.

Does this mean that FFXIV will also not be working under windows XP ? This would totally suck! If you think Gamer, you KNOW that windows XP is still the best. If FFXIV will only work with Vista/win7, i will refrain from buying this game.

source: http://www.bluesnews.com/s/107697/no-winxp-support-in-just-cause-2


its hard to say, but I would highly doubt SE would do something as stupid as remove the ability to game on XP.
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Windows XP is getting close to being 10 years old. I wouldn't be surprised.

Halo 2 did it a while ago. This is nothing new.
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#4 Feb 24 2010 at 4:59 PM Rating: Good
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Pretty sure this wont be the case with FFXIV. Just Cause 2 wont work with XP because it's DX10 only, it's not compatible with DX9. I'm fairly certain I've seen an interview with SE saying if they support DX10/11 it will still be compatible with DX9.

Either way if you haven't updated to W7 yet you should...there's no reason not to beyond the price.

Edited, Feb 24th 2010 3:59pm by Yogtheterrible
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Maybe this is the agreement. Microsoft let's people use a silver membership to play FFXIV as long as everyone has to upgrade their PC's to Vista or win7. Those sneaky bastards!
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I just hope they allow my OS of choice, Windows 2.0, to play their games.
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Windows XP is no longer the best verison of windows, Windows 7 it's a pretty decent OS.

Lets just all forget the mess that is Windows Vista and DirectX 10.
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It has already been stated ad-nauseum that XIV will be using Crystaltools based on DX9c, which means XP is most definitely supported. (Arguably DX10 would still work on XP as well)

There's even a thread on DX9/10/11 on the front page that discusses this.
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#9 Feb 24 2010 at 5:31 PM Rating: Decent
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It has already been stated ad-nauseum that XIV will be using Crystaltools based on DX9c, which means XP is most definitely supported. (Arguably DX10 would still work on XP as well)

There's even a thread on DX9/10/11 on the front page that discusses this.

This.
In addition, Win 7 is really a solid OS. I'm not sure about the x32 version, but i have had 0 problems with Win 7 x64. I plays FFXI without a hitch, and it plays Aion without a hitch. that's just a couple examples. Don't be afraid to upgrade.
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Yogtheterrible wrote:
Pretty sure this wont be the case with FFXIV. Just Cause 2 wont work with XP because it's DX10 only, it's not compatible with DX9. I'm fairly certain I've seen an interview with SE saying if they support DX10/11 it will still be compatible with DX9.

Either way if you haven't updated to W7 yet you should...there's no reason not to beyond the price.

Edited, Feb 24th 2010 3:59pm by Yogtheterrible


happy to hear that it will still run on XP with DX9.

and, there are actually many reasons not to switch to w7. the price is actually not one of the reasons since i got my copy almost for nothing (being a student XD).
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#11 Feb 24 2010 at 5:36 PM Rating: Decent
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If you think Gamer, you KNOW that windows XP is still the best.


Before windows7 Rc was out, yes. There's really no reason to stick with xp unless your hardware can't handle 7. But if your hardware can't handle windows 7, why are you worried about it's ability to play ffxiv in the first place?

I honestly with that xiv (pc version) would drop the dx9 support and go to dx10/11 though that's unlikely due to the console limitation.

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there are actually many reasons not to switch to w7.

I would love to hear some of these "many reasons"

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and, there are actually many reasons not to switch to w7


other than government snooping (yes I believe in conspiracies, call me tinfoil hat. I don't care.), what else makes XP superior to 7?
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#13 Feb 24 2010 at 6:52 PM Rating: Good
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and, there are actually many reasons not to switch to w7


other than government snooping (yes I believe in conspiracies, call me tinfoil hat. I don't care.), what else makes XP superior to 7?


I was a fierce advocate of XP, and skipped Vista entirely.


I got 8 gigs of ram and W7 x64, and minus a few annoyances, most of which can be fixed, I've determined that it's as fast or faster than XP in every aspect.


My dislikes:

-The new taskbar is horrid. I don't want a giant cluttered quicklaunch/OSX dock. Easily fixed, I reverted back to the classic style.

-The annoying UAC permissions system from Vista is back and annoying as ever. The good news is that this time, unlike Vista, it can be completely disabled just by pushing a single button.

-Easily my largest complaint, mainly because you can't fix it yet, is that there is NO WAY TO TURN OFF AUTO-ARRANGE IN WINDOWS EXPLORER. Infuriating if you're a professional that deals with thousands of images and doesn't want to rename every single one. Desktop still allows custom arrangement of files.


Those issues aside, W7 is fantastically stable, fast, and the x64 version suffers absolutely no compatibility issues at all.
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#14 Feb 24 2010 at 7:19 PM Rating: Good
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I personally loved Win7 while beta testing the release candidate. If it wasn't for the cost all my machines would be W7 right now...it just works and works really well.
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Windows 7 64-bit is leaps ahead of Windows XP.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with Windows 7 and if you haven't upgraded, I highly suggest you do.
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#16 Feb 24 2010 at 7:35 PM Rating: Default
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hmmm question, do you guys think FFXIV will run on my win98??
coz FFXI does
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Kirbster wrote:

-The new taskbar is horrid. I don't want a giant cluttered quicklaunch/OSX dock. Easily fixed, I reverted back to the classic style.


There's actually a smaller version of that same taskbar that I like. It basically looks like the vista version with a few tweaks (such as no more words with the programs, just the programs little picture at the bottom; you can also make it opaque, transparent or disappear completely when your mouse isn't in the area). The taskbar is one of the reasons I like W7, along with the ability to move maximized windows around without pressing"restore down" first and the ability to drag windows onto the side or top to have the window change size.
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Yogtheterrible wrote:
Kirbster wrote:

-The new taskbar is horrid. I don't want a giant cluttered quicklaunch/OSX dock. Easily fixed, I reverted back to the classic style.


There's actually a smaller version of that same taskbar that I like. It basically looks like the vista version with a few tweaks (such as no more words with the programs, just the programs little picture at the bottom; you can also make it opaque, transparent or disappear completely when your mouse isn't in the area). The taskbar is one of the reasons I like W7, along with the ability to move maximized windows around without pressing"restore down" first and the ability to drag windows onto the side or top to have the window change size.


Ah, that's one of the reasons I disliked it though. I typically run multiple instances of the same program and like being able to simply look down at the taskbar and instantly know which is which without hovering my mouse over it. To each his own though.

Something that IS fantastic about the new taskbar is just being able to shuffle the various tabs around, something I've always wanted to do since XP came out.


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hmmm question, do you guys think FFXIV will run on my win98??
coz FFXI does


What? No.

Edited, Feb 24th 2010 6:05pm by Kirbster
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hmmm question, do you guys think FFXIV will run on my win98??
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Let me start by saying I really hope you are joking.
But just in case you are being serious ... Part of my job (I'm a cable tech) is to repair modems. If we go to a house that is having connection issues, and they have 98 (or older) we aren't allowed to do anything except change the current modem and explain to the customer that we don't support that OS.
I understand that SE and my company have NOTHING to do with each other, I'm just saying that I wouldn't really expect SE to support an OS from two decades ago.
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Ah, that's one of the reasons I disliked it though. I typically run multiple instances of the same program and like being able to simply look down at the taskbar and instantly know which is which without hovering my mouse over it. To each his own though.

You can set the taskbar to "Combine when taskbar is full" or "Never combine" to make the labels show again. All you need to do is right-click the taskbar and go to Properties and it's there!

I agree that Windows XP is outdated now, it was understandable that people were still using it while only Vista was out, but Windows 7 is a definite improvement to both XP and Vista in my opinion.
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Seriously, I don't even know why this thread exists. This is a new, even more retarded incarnation of the PC System Requirements thread. No one really cares about this, because SE isn't stupid enough to release something that people can't play. Making this game not support XP will have very little impact to people deciding to get the game.

If the PC version of FFXIV requires Vista or Windows 7, and that's a deal breaker for you, just slap yourself in the face a few times and get over it!
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Ah, that's one of the reasons I disliked it though. I typically run multiple instances of the same program and like being able to simply look down at the taskbar and instantly know which is which without hovering my mouse over it. To each his own though.

You can set the taskbar to "Combine when taskbar is full" or "Never combine" to make the labels show again. All you need to do is right-click the taskbar and go to Properties and it's there!


I know! That's what I did. :P

I also restored the traditional XP/Vista quicklaunch by the start button. It's virtually identical to the old one now, with the addition of the really handy show-desktop button on the far right. Feels good man.

Edited, Feb 24th 2010 6:21pm by Kirbster
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Should be noted that SE is just publishing and not developing Just Cause 2.
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saiyandon wrote:
I would love to hear some of these "many reasons"
Edited, Feb 24th 2010 3:40pm by saiyandon


Im not here to discuss or to compare OS's, but i can give you one main reason I'm not switching....because windows XP is still faster than windows 7 on many aspects. Also, XP is just win. :)

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I just hope they allow my OS of choice, Windows 2.0, to play their games.


Windows 2.o is the shiznit!

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Mostaru wrote:
hmmm question, do you guys think FFXIV will run on my win98??
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Win 98SE onry :D
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Im not here to discuss or to compare OS's, but i can give you one main reason I'm not switching....because windows XP is still faster than windows 7 on many aspects. Also, XP is just win. :)


Win7 when not crippled with low amounts of ram is going to be very close. IMO skip the 32bit W7 and go straight to 64bit and 8GB of ram and you won't miss XP at all.

I'm not going to lie and say a 1GB RAM XP machine upgraded to Win7 is going to be sweet, but for the most part a clean w7 installation with 3GB+ and a decent hard disk is going to be very close (or faster) in almost everything while providing lots of useful features (Bitlocker, Sched Defrag, "Advanced" Firewall etc).

Unless of course a new system is just not in the budget, in which case the argument is moot.
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I'll admit windows xp is slightly faster than 7 at some things, but let's be honest here. Gamers care about alot more than just fps. With hardware these days your talking about say hi 90ish vs mid 90ish fps being the difference in performance, honestly at that point who cares which is faster? Visual quality and overal experience are far more important. Why would I limit myself to dx9 when 10/11 offers a better experience?

It's like this: you have a 30" tv and a 52" hdtv sitting at home. do you hook your ps3 up to the 30" because it turns on about a half second faster?
F*ck no you hook it up to that hdtv, it's a better experience.

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Im not here to discuss or to compare OS's, but i can give you one main reason I'm not switching....because windows XP is still faster than windows 7 on many aspects. Also, XP is just win. :)


don't expect to come into a gaming forum and say "I won't play this game you are all excited about if I can't play it on xp" without the rest of us attempting to show you what your missing out on. (more to the point, don't complain about incompatibility when you already have what you need to fix it.)
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vaudian wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
I just hope they allow my OS of choice, Windows 2.0, to play their games.
Windows 2.o is the shiznit!

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and, there are actually many reasons not to switch to w7


other than government snooping (yes I believe in conspiracies, call me tinfoil hat. I don't care.), what else makes XP superior to 7?

If you already own Win XP, it has the virtue of no additional cost.
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I just hope they allow my OS of choice, Windows 2.0, to play their games.


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other than government snooping (yes I believe in conspiracies, call me tinfoil hat. I don't care.), what else makes XP superior to 7?

If you already own Win XP, it has the virtue of no additional cost.


Using WinXP in 2010 would be like continuing to play FFXI when FFXIV comes out. Some people will do it cause it's what they're used to. Some people will do it because they don't want to shell out money for a new game. But in the end, (lets hope!), FFXIV is a superior product (My analogy fails if FFXIV fails, of course!)

Serious, though, Win7 is really, really good. I have never said that about a MS OS this soon after launch before. I've been using Win7 since the day it came out, and it has not failed me once yet. Gaming performance is on par or better than XP (depending on the game) and I have yet to have a single compatibility issue.
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#33 Feb 25 2010 at 10:52 AM Rating: Good
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Okay, i just read that the PC-version of the Square Enix game "Just Cause 2" will not run on Windows XP due the fact it will have DX10 features.

Does this mean that FFXIV will also not be working under windows XP ? This would totally suck! If you think Gamer, you KNOW that windows XP is still the best. If FFXIV will only work with Vista/win7, i will refrain from buying this game.

source: http://www.bluesnews.com/s/107697/no-winxp-support-in-just-cause-2


XP is not still the best for gamers...it just doesn't require the same level of hardware in order to perform. I'm currently running a quad core with 4GB of RAM and a Radeon 4850 GPU and I have absolutely no problem running new games under Windows 7 (64-bit). Vista was horrible...Windows 7 not so much.

XP is an antiquated OS. More power to you if you're still happy with it. If your hardware won't support Windows 7 and you have no plans to upgrade, I don't think anyone in their right mind would tell you to go with Vista just for DX10.

At the same time, sooner or later you have to move with the times or get left behind. A bare bones mobo + processor + RAM + GPU that will happily run Windows 7 can be had for < $500 (which would give support all the way up to DX11), especially if you keep your old case and HDDs. I've seen Win7 Home Premium 64-bit OEM for around $100. If all of that isn't in the budget, obviously it doesn't make you a bad person but you need to realize that within a year, most new games coming out are going to be aimed at PCs that Windows 7 would run just fine on as well. The only reason I'm building a new rig is because I'm happy with neither the components nor the support I received from the manufacturer of my current PC, to include an extraordinary amount of time (20+ hours on the phone + OS reinstalls) wasted trying to get my legitimate OEM copy of Windows Vista activated with Microsoft. I never did manage to get Vista activated. Windows 7 activation went off without a hitch and I've been more than satisfied with the performance.
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I agree. Win7 is ahead now, due to its better handling of processes on multi core GPU's and its ability to properly scale with turbo boost features of the I7 processors. Definitely skip vista if you have the option to, and get Win7 if you are buying/building a brand new computer.

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IIRC in one of the interviews, been a while so I'm not sure which one, SE said that they will not support Windows XP.
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#36 Feb 26 2010 at 7:05 AM Rating: Decent
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Using WinXP in 2010 would be like continuing to play FFXI when FFXIV comes out.


Just, no....


Anyway, I think there is also a difference in not supporting as in "not wanting to help the people who have certain issues running the game in XP (but if you want you can still install it on XP... just not getting any help)", or as in "we wont support the users, so we will make sure it doesnt run on XP (like just cause 2)".

i just really hope its not the latter. And maybe i will change to windows 7 when its released. AureliusSir the Irrelevant's post made sense to me.

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if you preorder the PC version on amazon, it shows this :

Platform: PC (Windows Vista / XP)




Edited, Feb 26th 2010 8:09am by Akkio
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As mentioned above, it won't require DX10+.

On the other hand, it's not "unsupportive" if a company decides to use the most modern technology and not make a version for those still stuck on old technology. Is SE also "unsupportive" because they aren't making FFXIII for PS2 and XBox?

Personally, I think another 2 years or so will go by before any developer starts launching large-scale titles with DX10 required. As good as DX10 is (from an efficiency and graphics detail perspective) it wasn't ever "good enough" to alienate gamers by using it's beneficial but Vista-requiring DX10-only mode in creating a game.
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vaudian wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
I just hope they allow my OS of choice, Windows 2.0, to play their games.
Windows 2.o is the shiznit!

BTW are you a Mets fan? Do you know what M.E.T.S. stands for?
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