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#52 Mar 01 2010 at 1:18 PM Rating: Good
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lol I love technicalities.

In the event that Square enix is, in fact, holding a beta test to which an NDA applies, you may not break said hypothetical NDA, nor mention it's existance, if in fact it even exists. That being said, if such an NDA exists, you most certainly did violate said hypothetical NDA by revealing the uncomfirmed contents that lie therein...



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#53 Mar 01 2010 at 1:31 PM Rating: Good
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Oh...because it would be very misleading if there was an email linking you to do something that you can't even log into, wouldn't it now.

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as much fun as it would be to talk about this all day, I simply give my congrats to those who were selected and I take my leave.

Not that we actually talked about anything in this thread, it was just all hypothetical right?
#55 Mar 01 2010 at 1:38 PM Rating: Good
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Oh...because it would be very misleading if there was an email linking you to do something that you can't even log into, wouldn't it now.
Unless that email told you that you wouldn't be able to log in til the 11th anyway.
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#56 Mar 01 2010 at 3:29 PM Rating: Decent
People do need to realize something. The closed alpha testing is really for a very small group of people (compared to open beta). Also, SE stated that if you don't get the march first invite, keep on checking your mail. That means that there will be more opportunity for the closed beta probably. Then, open Beta.
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Personally I am glad I didn't get into the first beta. I don't have the time to play now, and it would have just been a waste of an invite really. Better this one goes out to someone who can actually make use of it.
#58 Mar 01 2010 at 4:00 PM Rating: Good
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Interesting to see that people other than the Vanafest attendees got into Alpha. Disappointed that I wasn't among the picks, but we'll see how I fare in the next few waves. Congrats to those who did get in.

Please honor the NDA, people.

Edited, Mar 1st 2010 2:00pm by Kirbster
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Oh...because it would be very misleading if there was an email linking you to do something that you can't even log into, wouldn't it now.


Yes, it would be VERY misleading. And someone like me would probably spend quite some time clicking everywhere thinking I was missing the place to log in. Then I'd probably hit various gaming forums to see if anyone else was hypothetically experiencing this confusion. :)
#60 Mar 01 2010 at 5:11 PM Rating: Decent
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meh, alpha testing is boring, as you probably will have more bugs than even the beta version.
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#61 Mar 01 2010 at 5:20 PM Rating: Good
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Disappointed that I wasn't among the picks, but we'll see how I fare in the next few waves.


^ Something important to keep in mind for sure. I see on other forums (not so much here I noticed, which is refreshing) that some people are pretty upset they haven't been chosen for alpha/early beta.. I've seen over on Eorzeapedia for example people going on and on about how SE obviously doesn't want "This kind of dedication [whatever they rated themselves on the 'out of 100' scale] plus this kind of computer", but that isn't it at all.

If you go back to the Beta application form, you can plainly see on it that they said right from the start there was going to be more than one round of Beta picks over time.

Sure, I didn't get it this time.. but here's hoping for next time ;) At the very least, I'll see everyone on the flip side when the game comes out.

Congrats to the Alpha testers!
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#62 Mar 01 2010 at 5:43 PM Rating: Good
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It's true, many people, especially on BG, don't seem to be understanding that the alpha drawing is probably incredibly random, being drawn from all spectrums of the applied apps. This is controlled testing, they don't want just hardcore FFXI players or people with high performance rigs. People who played 6 months of XI or have terrible machines have just as much a chance of getting in.

That being said, the chances of getting in beta are probably much higher as time goes on.

Edited, Mar 1st 2010 3:44pm by Kirbster
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#63 Mar 01 2010 at 5:50 PM Rating: Decent
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The first 'wave' hasn't actually started recieving emails afaik. According to the official website (and do keep in mind that SE has been a bit blurry on the difference between the two) the alpha testers are set to "start" recieving emails today.

This leads me to believe that everyone getting emails over the next 10 days are considered alpha being that they will be the first in. The reason I say they blur the two is that at the end of their notes they say "Those who were not selected in this drawing, fear not, for there will be other opportunities to come. Be sure to stay tuned!" The fact that there was a drawing makes it sound like it was not limited only to the Vanafest attendees.

As for the rest of us who applied (including EmotionalJourney) the following waves will probably start with those of you who are still playing FFXI. This I guess will be considered the actual beginning of 'beta'.

Thats how it reads to me anyway.
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#64 Mar 01 2010 at 5:55 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm starting to think that there is just a misunderstanding between FFXIV-crew and the public in the words "alpha" and "beta". I think at times they use them almost interchangeably, or are using "Alpha" just to separate the special early-privilege people from the rest.

I personally think it's all basically Beta at the end of the day.
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#65 Mar 01 2010 at 6:00 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'm starting to think that there is just a misunderstanding between FFXIV-crew and the public in the words "alpha" and "beta". I think at times they use them almost interchangeably, or are using "Alpha" just to separate the special early-privilege people from the rest.

I personally think it's all basically Beta at the end of the day.


My interpretation of "Alpha" is the stage of the game before the official Closed Beta. Usually, alpha testing is conducted in house. Then they'll start pulling from beta apps for the Closed Beta.

But yeah, alpha, beta, basically it's all just an unfinished version of the game being tested. The rest is just semantics.
#66 Mar 01 2010 at 8:06 PM Rating: Decent
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The first 'wave' hasn't actually started recieving emails afaik


http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=371770&page=53
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When you beta test, all the major game mechanics are in place, and minor tweaks to skills are made. Generally, the game mechanics change VERY little if at all. Jobs that are defined will not be changed in definition during beta.

In this alpha, they are getting a group of people from around the world to play it and get their initial reaction to what they want to be the game mechanics, and to see if people actually like how things work, and if anything needs to be changed in order to make the game more viable for the general public.

Things in house can seem perfect, but might be way to micro for some people.

in other words, the fact that they are setting up an initial alpha means that they have what they think they need the game mechanics to be set and ready, but they just need to make sure that they aren't going to turn off a sample sized population.

I don't think that it's SE that is blurring the 2 definitions, I think it's the general public that blurs the two together.

So, this tells me that they have the game mechanics working well, and want to make sure people react possitively to them. remember that they are making a game without "levels". They haven't told anyone exactly what they mean, so no one understands what it is, and can't give them any feedback.

That lack of any good feedback to an entirely new battle system and skill system could kill them.
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That's not really true, Alpha testing is normally done in house or by employed testing staff, beta testing is generally open to the public, when I say open to the public I don't mean an open beta.

The blurring of the lines was because people assumed 1-11th would be alpha and 11th onwards would be the beta. (turns out the alpha doesn't start till the 11th)

I get the feeling they are at the end of the alpha phase (they have been in alpha since gamescon remember) and are having a quick test before they go into beta.

Edited, Mar 1st 2010 9:53pm by Diakar
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I know I won't be getting into the beta: I failed to link my old FFXI account to my SE account and I also at the time didn't know the spec of the pc I was getting for xmas. :P I'd reapply but that'd forfeit me completely, so bleh :P
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#70 Mar 01 2010 at 9:45 PM Rating: Decent
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The first 'wave' hasn't actually started recieving emails afaik


http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=371770&page=53


By 'wave' I meant the beta testers. The first large group of invites sent out, not the very limited alpha. Read on...

FilthMcNasty wrote:
This leads me to believe that everyone getting emails over the next 10 days are considered alpha being that they will be the first in.


Who knows really? The info we recieve is so cryptic. Nothing that indicates they won't just keep stacking people in with weekly invites until they do start to see a load on the servers and hold off from there tweaking for traffic once they reach a stress point.
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#71 Mar 01 2010 at 9:57 PM Rating: Good
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It's pretty pathetic, but not getting an email yet makes one question whether or not they've properly registered their email, even though one knows that they did, and that there's really no way that they were getting an invite yet anyway. Still, it makes one paranoid, all the same.

I mean, I'm assuming all this, because I don't know if I did or didn't receive an email, that may or may not have been about an agreement that should not be disclosed, about a test of something that may or may not exist. I wouldn't want to violate said hypothetical agreement, no sirree.



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#72 Mar 01 2010 at 10:43 PM Rating: Decent
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Diakar wrote:
That's not really true, Alpha testing is normally done in house or by employed testing staff, beta testing is generally open to the public, when I say open to the public I don't mean an open beta.

The blurring of the lines was because people assumed 1-11th would be alpha and 11th onwards would be the beta. (turns out the alpha doesn't start till the 11th)

I get the feeling they are at the end of the alpha phase (they have been in alpha since gamescon remember) and are having a quick test before they go into beta.
Except they're sending invites for the ALPHA (and those invited to the alpha are reinvited to the beta).
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#73 Mar 01 2010 at 11:08 PM Rating: Decent
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This is how it works.

You signed up for the beta with your square enix account, same one you signed up for when you activated your security tokens.

It was sent to the email that was given with the square enix account, NOT the email that you put in at the end of the application. That email was for the sole purpose of sending you news letters.

THAT is how it is. Trust me on this.

In other words, They selected people by square enix accounts, and sent messages based upon that accounts contact information, not the email supplied for the news letters.

Edited, Mar 2nd 2010 12:09am by MetalSmith

https://secure.square-enix.com/account/app/svc/member

Check what email address is listed at this address on the SE page.

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Anyone else wondering if they'll include some kinda of alpha test thing with FFXIII similar to what they did in Japan?
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#75 Mar 02 2010 at 12:59 AM Rating: Decent
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Anyone else wondering if they'll include some kinda of alpha test thing with FFXIII similar to what they did in Japan?


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That was never a Alpha test invite, thanks to Elmer we later found out that it was a "Campaign Code" that will be used to redeem a special in game (fluff) item in FFXIV once it goes live.
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#76 Mar 02 2010 at 1:03 AM Rating: Good
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dyvidd wrote:
Anyone else wondering if they'll include some kinda of alpha test thing with FFXIII similar to what they did in Japan?


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That was never a Alpha test invite, thanks to Elmer we later found out that it was a "Campaign Code" that will be used to redeem a special in game (fluff) item in FFXIV once it goes live.


I wonder if it will be in the NA version of XIII, for those of us who plan to get both games.
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Osarion, Goblin in Disguise wrote:
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dyvidd wrote:
Anyone else wondering if they'll include some kinda of alpha test thing with FFXIII similar to what they did in Japan?


...

That was never a Alpha test invite, thanks to Elmer we later found out that it was a "Campaign Code" that will be used to redeem a special in game (fluff) item in FFXIV once it goes live.


I wonder if it will be in the NA version of XIII, for those of us who plan to get both games.
I would be surprised if it was, to be honest.
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Osarion, Goblin in Disguise wrote:
EndlessJourney wrote:
dyvidd wrote:
Anyone else wondering if they'll include some kinda of alpha test thing with FFXIII similar to what they did in Japan?


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That was never a Alpha test invite, thanks to Elmer we later found out that it was a "Campaign Code" that will be used to redeem a special in game (fluff) item in FFXIV once it goes live.


I wonder if it will be in the NA version of XIII, for those of us who plan to get both games.


I sure hope it isn't. I don't think any random Joe who picks up a new copy of one of the most popular video games to come out for awhile deserves a beta code, unless of course it was for the very final stage of open beta (where they let everyone that wants in, in). They wouldn't be able to control their environment like they want to by doing that.

I still think the Alpha selection was done terribly. This is suppose to be people finding bugs/glitches/etc they are like Mini-Developers. They need people testing this kind of stuff who have a lot of experience in it in FFXI and have a better idea of what to look for. But of course I'm just a butthurt downer who doesn't want *rainbow* Everyone to have a equal chance no matter who they are! */rainbow*
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EndlessJourney wrote:
Osarion, Goblin in Disguise wrote:
EndlessJourney wrote:
dyvidd wrote:
Anyone else wondering if they'll include some kinda of alpha test thing with FFXIII similar to what they did in Japan?


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That was never a Alpha test invite, thanks to Elmer we later found out that it was a "Campaign Code" that will be used to redeem a special in game (fluff) item in FFXIV once it goes live.


I wonder if it will be in the NA version of XIII, for those of us who plan to get both games.


I sure hope it isn't. I don't think any random Joe who picks up a new copy of one of the most popular video games to come out for awhile deserves a beta code, unless of course it was for the very final stage of open beta (where they let everyone that wants in, in). They wouldn't be able to control their environment like they want to by doing that.

I still think the Alpha selection was done terribly. This is suppose to be people finding bugs/glitches/etc they are like Mini-Developers. They need people testing this kind of stuff who have a lot of experience in it in FFXI and have a better idea of what to look for. But of course I'm just a butthurt downer who doesn't want *rainbow* Everyone to have a equal chance no matter who they are! */rainbow*


A couple things:

I think Osarion was just asking if the "campaign codes" would also be in the NA version, not beta invites.

When it comes to betas, it's very important for developers to not have one single demographic overwhelming the population. Some semblance of variety (in all factors: age, ***, location, nationality, previous MMORPG experience, computer specs) is important for making sure that the game is built from the ground-up with all forms of player in mind. You want to make sure that the game is being examined from a variety of viewpoints: that's how you find out the most potential issues, and how you discern what different groups of players are looking for. Because of this, having a population of testers that is solely comprised of ex-hardcore FFXI'ers is counter-productive towards the developer's goal of mass appeal.

You might be thinking that because this is so early in the beta, that it shouldn't matter because it's all bug-testing, which should be objective. But it should be easy to see that different player demographics are more suited to uncovering certain bugs than others. Different types of players means different types of playing styles, meaning a variety in the activities and habits taking place on the server, meaning more aspects of the game being analyzed. Besides, it's never too early to start getting feedback on aspects of the game other than bugs, in my opinion

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I'm a bit worried I didn't recieve an email. I think it might be because me and my boyfriend have seperate FFXI accounts and emails but we share the same SE account and we both signed up for the beta. Is it possible that they considered that a "repeat submission" and therefore threw out our apps? If so that sucks and would like to file a formal complaint its not my fault the economy sucks right now and didn't want to buy two tokens. Its their fault for allowing up to 10 accounts to be registered with one.
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I'm a bit worried I didn't recieve an email. I think it might be because me and my boyfriend have seperate FFXI accounts and emails but we share the same SE account and we both signed up for the beta. Is it possible that they considered that a "repeat submission" and therefore threw out our apps? If so that sucks and would like to file a formal complaint its not my fault the economy sucks right now and didn't want to buy two tokens. Its their fault for allowing up to 10 accounts to be registered with one.


The odds of getting into the current iteration of the beta are infinitesimally small. I'm sure you've got nothing to worry about.

They shouldn't have a problem with your two registered accounts, either. It seems like your situation wouldn't be very uncommon in any family or shared residence, so I'm sure it's accounted for.
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I'm a bit worried I didn't recieve an email. I think it might be because me and my boyfriend have seperate FFXI accounts and emails but we share the same SE account and we both signed up for the beta. Is it possible that they considered that a "repeat submission" and therefore threw out our apps? If so that sucks and would like to file a formal complaint its not my fault the economy sucks right now and didn't want to buy two tokens. Its their fault for allowing up to 10 accounts to be registered with one.


I don't think SE would care if you made a formal complaint. It's SEs decision who they select for beta-testers and you can't appeal their decision anywhere. :)
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I'm a bit worried I didn't recieve an email. I think it might be because me and my boyfriend have seperate FFXI accounts and emails but we share the same SE account and we both signed up for the beta. Is it possible that they considered that a "repeat submission" and therefore threw out our apps? If so that sucks and would like to file a formal complaint its not my fault the economy sucks right now and didn't want to buy two tokens. Its their fault for allowing up to 10 accounts to be registered with one.


You didn't receive an email because they're NOT GOING TO LET EVERYONE IN THE INITIAL PHASE OF BETA TESTING.


Seriously people, this is not ******* rocket science.
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You didn't receive an email because they're NOT GOING TO LET EVERYONE IN THE INITIAL PHASE OF BETA TESTING.


Yes I understand that and I never expected to be the first person invited. I just don't want to sit here hoping to get into the next one and the next one and the one after that if I'm not going to be considered at all because of this situation. That post was just a question of weather or not I should worry about it or if I can still hope/expect to recieve an email eventually.
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* Applicants may apply only once. Repeat submissions from an individual will invalidate all of that individual’s applications.


It specifically states individual, whether this applies to individual accounts, IP addresses or SE IDs, we simply don't know. But regardless of what your situation is:

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They're not really obliged to be 'fair' or give specific people a place in the beta process, a 'formal complaint' regarding the application process for a beta that you're not paying for would most likely be ignored.


I didn't mean to snap so harshly, but the sheer amount of people on BG whining about how much they're 'entitled' to enter the beta has me vaguely irritated.


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Gonna say this again, because apparently people aren't reading or paying attention.

The devs have stated that they want EVERYONE who has applied to take part in the beta at some point. If you didn't get in now, odds are good you'll get in during a future round.

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LOL so **** true. Because obviously they held their breath for that <1% off chance of getting into the alpha. Oh wait I forgot they were ALL hardcore FFXI players, why yes that instantly makes you top priority >.>.
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yeah, alot of these people complaining how they are entitled to something just because they were the FIRST to sign up is pretty bad. you guys really are coming off as crybabies.

more emails will be sent out soon. maybe you'll get one then.

also bookmark this, once the game comes out and some flaw or bug is found there will be a flood of posts saying "If they would have picked me even I could have found this." posts.
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I find a couple of things about that funny.

First, the game isn't geared towards hard core grinders anymore they've stated.
Second, playing ffxi for over 1000 days doesn't make you any more dedicated a fan than anyone else. That just proves that you have a ton of free time.

A loyal fan is someone who chooses FFXI over any other MMO, despite the pitfalls.

I've payed for just as much time as the next guy, despite never keeping my characters for more than 6 months.

Does my lack of play time or completion of every single quest in the game make me less of a loyal fan than these other people?

I really hate when people use some egotistical elitist prick reasoning as to why they are better than everyone else, or are more deserving than everyone else.

Maybe I should just write up a rant on how much I dislike these type of people and be done with it :/
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I find a couple of things about that funny.

First, the game isn't geared towards hard core grinders anymore they've stated.
Second, playing ffxi for over 1000 days doesn't make you any more dedicated a fan than anyone else. That just proves that you have a ton of free time.

A loyal fan is someone who chooses FFXI over any other MMO, despite the pitfalls.

I've payed for just as much time as the next guy, despite never keeping my characters for more than 6 months.

Does my lack of play time or completion of every single quest in the game make me less of a loyal fan than these other people?

I really hate when people use some egotistical elitist prick reasoning as to why they are better than everyone else, or are more deserving than everyone else.

Maybe I should just write up a rant on how much I dislike these type of people and be done with it :/


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#93 Mar 02 2010 at 1:54 PM Rating: Default
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I still think the Alpha selection was done terribly. This is suppose to be people finding bugs/glitches/etc they are like Mini-Developers. They need people testing this kind of stuff who have a lot of experience in it in FFXI and have a better idea of what to look for. But of course I'm just a butthurt downer who doesn't want *rainbow* Everyone to have a equal chance no matter who they are! */rainbow*


I hate to be the one to have to break it to you, but your experience in FFXI is going to mean approximately jack **** in FFXIV. At the very least, your FFXI experience will have no more bearing on your understanding of how to play the game or get around or earn an income than the experience of anyone who has played any other MMO for any length of time. It's NOT FFXI 2.0. It's a new game that just happens to be made by the same developer as FFXI. If anything, when it comes down to combat, short duration group events, and a more casual feel, FFXIV is probably going to represent a much sharper adjustment/learning curve for FFXI players than people who have played more recent MMOs.

You're disappointed because you weren't one of the first to receive an invite and you're blaming it on SE. Protip: You're disappointed because you ignored the information that was given to you and you got your hopes up over nothing. Learn from it and move on already.
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._. didn't know playing ffxi made you a mini dev.

Go pick up UDK or SDK and make a map or rig a model or code a mod.
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._. didn't know playing ffxi made you a mini dev.

Go pick up UDK or SDK and make a map or rig a model or code a mod.


Being a hardcore gamer makes you an expert in game design, didn't you know?

Edited, Mar 2nd 2010 3:07pm by Kirbster
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#96 Mar 02 2010 at 5:41 PM Rating: Good
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If ANYONE had ANY sort of prioroty, it would have to be the Windower team. Now they are mini-devs.
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I can indirectly confirm that they were looking for a wide range of testers including those with PCs that most would consider sub-par, just judging from someone I know that was actually invited but their PC is somewhat old and gimpy.

I remember a part on the beta application that asked what we would prefer to test it on, and I put PS3. I haven't heard anyone reporting a PS3 test of any kind, but it was interesting that it was on the beta application. Guess I won't be invited then. XO
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PS3 will be at a later time, I believe.
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#99 Mar 02 2010 at 7:44 PM Rating: Good
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I'll make a bet the ps3 beta will start around a month after the pc release. There is only 1 set of hardware that is on a ps3 that they need to make the game for, so they theoretically only need the ps3 beta in while testing actual game balance and items and such. it may even be delayed until the open beta.
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What I found interesting if not a bit upsetting was how poorly designed the application itself was. I was just looking over it again so I thought I'd comment about it.

The questions in this Application seem more like a marketing survey than an actual device to determine criteria needed for testing. Many of the questions are ones that should be asked of actual testers not potential ones. It looks more like an exit survey than an application.

What bothered me the most was the lack of a DXDiag submission requirement, something that most MMO Betas require and even mandate through an automated process these days. For instance, the TOR beta required me to have my machine scanned to even complete the application, so it would be impossible to cheat by sending in someone else's DXDiag.txt, lie about my specs or to even submit duplicate entries because of serialization. Those of us that took the time and money to prepare for these new bleeding edge DX10+ MMOs love being scanned. Square's answer? One of the most limited system checkbox lists I have seen in many years on a Beta Application. Serious MMO developers that are truly concerned about potential problems down the line put the submitted DXDiag scans in a database and determine all the variations of hardware and software, some even link your DXDiag to your account and cross reference your information with a well designed crash/bug tool. I guess Square just wanted a few checkboxes based on Scouts honor to determine if you were eligible. The sad thing about doing that is that most people just check the highest possible specs, thus eliminating the much needed pool of older hardware for compatibility development.

The entire POL ID aspect of the test was confusing and actually has become one of the more irritating aspects of the entire process post-facto. There was a section on the Application that asked for your POL ID. You had to manually enter it in a field. Yet, at the same time you can link your POL ID to the Square Enix Account and you have to use that account to process the beta application anyways? How does that make any sense? What prevents people from entering in someone else's POL ID? Does entering in a random POL ID work, but not linking it prevent you from a better chance? Or is it the other way around? What about active players versus people that played in 2004 for 2 weeks? Why mention FFXI as being meaningful in terms of acceptance if you don't even take the time to explain exactly how that is determined or what is required? Really sloppy and since there is no way to actually look at your application (Another thing that most MMOs do now adays) many people do not even remember if they entered in the proper information at all.

A Beta Application has one purpose only: To stratify potential candidates into groups suitable for testing the needs of your software. The way to do that is to ask direct questions relating to what combination of hardware a user has to offer. The second tier of criteria is the social aspect. Age, Gender, Language spoken and in a MMO's case playstyle are all part of the second question set on the ladder, however again that information is more aimed at developers getting a glimpse of who will be playing their game nothing more. Peer groups and focus testing is done pre-development anyhow, so knowing that information doesn't really help in terms of altering the game so late in development. The third section is really just fluff, usually a paragraph asking for your testing experience or why you would be great to have on the team. Square didn't bother putting in either of those options, presumably because they didn't care enough about their Beta to have someone take the time to read through all of them. I Always shine in those areas because I check the actual application for any mistakes or typos and submit that as my first bug, always helps, Heh. I also have an archive of my bug submissions online, I link that (Its at 850 submissions at the point). None of those fields were on the applications, so there was no way to explain your history of testing experience, a shame really.

Honestly, I found the application to come across as a joke and that it was written by someone that did not take its potential usefulness seriously. With questions like "Rate on a scale from 1-100 your enthusiasm for Final Fantasy". Seriously Square, get your ******* head out of the clouds and stop wasting peoples time with questions like that. The poorly designed application in conjunction with a extremely confusing and yet to be answered process of exactly what the "Alpha/Beta/Closed Alpha Vanafest Secret Bonus Stage/Beta Site" are leads me to believe that they actually have a huge in-house or outsourced testing capability and this entire Beta is more of a preview to instill excitement about the game and not for actual testing. I have honestly tested so many games I have lost count and have never seen a more confusing entry period like this one. Well Relic's HomeWorld Betas were kinda close, people were sending expensive gifts to the Relic offices at one point because their selection process was so... selective and mysterious.
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What I found interesting if not a bit upsetting was how poorly designed the application itself was. I was just looking over it again so I thought I'd comment about it.

The questions in this Application seem more like a marketing survey than an actual device to determine criteria needed for testing. Many of the questions are ones that should be asked of actual testers not potential ones. It looks more like an exit survey than an application.

What bothered me the most was the lack of a DXDiag submission requirement, something that most MMO Betas require and even mandate through an automated process these days. For instance, the TOR beta required me to have my machine scanned to even complete the application, so it would be impossible to cheat by sending in someone else's DXDiag.txt, lie about my specs or to even submit duplicate entries because of serialization. Those of us that took the time and money to prepare for these new bleeding edge DX10+ MMOs love being scanned. Square's answer? One of the most limited system checkbox lists I have seen in many years on a Beta Application. Serious MMO developers that are truly concerned about potential problems down the line put the submitted DXDiag scans in a database and determine all the variations of hardware and software, some even link your DXDiag to your account and cross reference your information with a well designed crash/bug tool. I guess Square just wanted a few checkboxes based on Scouts honor to determine if you were eligible. The sad thing about doing that is that most people just check the highest possible specs, thus eliminating the much needed pool of older hardware for compatibility development.

The entire POL ID aspect of the test was confusing and actually has become one of the more irritating aspects of the entire process post-facto. There was a section on the Application that asked for your POL ID. You had to manually enter it in a field. Yet, at the same time you can link your POL ID to the Square Enix Account and you have to use that account to process the beta application anyways? How does that make any sense? What prevents people from entering in someone else's POL ID? Does entering in a random POL ID work, but not linking it prevent you from a better chance? Or is it the other way around? What about active players versus people that played in 2004 for 2 weeks? Why mention FFXI as being meaningful in terms of acceptance if you don't even take the time to explain exactly how that is determined or what is required? Really sloppy and since there is no way to actually look at your application (Another thing that most MMOs do now adays) many people do not even remember if they entered in the proper information at all.

A Beta Application has one purpose only: To stratify potential candidates into groups suitable for testing the needs of your software. The way to do that is to ask direct questions relating to what combination of hardware a user has to offer. The second tier of criteria is the social aspect. Age, Gender, Language spoken and in a MMO's case playstyle are all part of the second question set on the ladder, however again that information is more aimed at developers getting a glimpse of who will be playing their game nothing more. Peer groups and focus testing is done pre-development anyhow, so knowing that information doesn't really help in terms of altering the game so late in development. The third section is really just fluff, usually a paragraph asking for your testing experience or why you would be great to have on the team. Square didn't bother putting in either of those options, presumably because they didn't care enough about their Beta to have someone take the time to read through all of them. I Always shine in those areas because I check the actual application for any mistakes or typos and submit that as my first bug, always helps, Heh. I also have an archive of my bug submissions online, I link that (Its at 850 submissions at the point). None of those fields were on the applications, so there was no way to explain your history of testing experience, a shame really.

Honestly, I found the application to come across as a joke and that it was written by someone that did not take its potential usefulness seriously. With questions like "Rate on a scale from 1-100 your enthusiasm for Final Fantasy". Seriously Square, get your @#%^ing head out of the clouds and stop wasting peoples time with questions like that. The poorly designed application in conjunction with a extremely confusing and yet to be answered process of exactly what the "Alpha/Beta/Closed Alpha Vanafest Secret Bonus Stage/Beta Site" are leads me to believe that they actually have a huge in-house or outsourced testing capability and this entire Beta is more of a preview to instill excitement about the game and not for actual testing. I have honestly tested so many games I have lost count and have never seen a more confusing entry period like this one. Well Relic's HomeWorld Betas were kinda close, people were sending expensive gifts to the Relic offices at one point because their selection process was so... selective and mysterious.


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tbh, you sound like you are just upset because you didn't get picked, and the fact that you didn't get picked makes their process of choosing people unfair. If you had been picked you wouldn't have spent a couple hours dissecting every aspect of the beta app.

I've seen forum sigs that have my computers specs in them and say something along the lines of "lol mine is better than yours though" or something. I think it's possible to do a hardware scan with the app.

it's also possible that they didn't expect people to have the same computer 3 months after they signed up for the beta, so they left the system info open.

And then again, it's also possible that the dev team has not been on the interwebz very long and expects people to be honest and forthright with their application.

at any rate, go away, you will find no sympathy here. I hear the BG forums has a support group though.

Just as an edited in after thought, what does it matter to you how they do their beta selection? All that matters is that SE delivers with a great MMO.

I can forgive them for expecting honest people to be the ones to fill out applications if they only deliver a great game.

Edited, Mar 2nd 2010 11:15pm by MetalSmith
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