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#1 Mar 03 2010 at 12:13 PM Rating: Good
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The title says it and here's why!

Every MMO I've played through closed or open beta I have liked for a little while but then got terribly annoyed with certain aspects of it. Be it lack of content, balancing issues that they keep promising they'll fix but then ignore it to do other stuff.

FFXI was the only MMO I got into that was in a way, complete. They had two expansions out before I started playing and it met every one of my expectations.

I've come to the conclusions that if I play FFXIV while in beta, I may grow to resent it in some way and...leave. Just like AoC, WAR, LOTRO and CO.

I would like to say that if I was lucky enough to get into the Beta, that I wouldn't bother, but I would! I SO WOULD!

Ahem.

But if I don't? Well it's no big deal, I'm going to play it this year anyway - and hopefully for many years to come!

So yeah, the Beta starts soon and most of us won't get to play it at that early stage, but lets join hands! Chin up with that stiff upper lip and get on with looking forward to the official release! :D
#2 Mar 03 2010 at 12:36 PM Rating: Decent
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I've only really played the WoW beta and a couple of open betas, but I will say that having played in a beta is fun from a "war story" perspective.

"I remember back in beta when [this now-staple spell/ability did something completely useless]" or "Remember back in beta when [some area] had construction cones and barriers all over to indicate that it was incomplete?"

It'd be fun to be a part of that convo 2 years down the road.
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So you don't want to, but you do?

I don't understand why it's such a big deal to people. Some would like to get at any and all of the content as soon as possible, even if they're supposed to treat it more as a job than anything else, and it's deleted in the near future..

And when they finally get to the real thing, it's a series of 'yup, did that.. now this.. ah yeah I remember that.. hmm they changed that, but this is still all exactly the same...'

I'll pass, and fully enjoy the actual game.

Edited, Mar 3rd 2010 1:39pm by Carrilei
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#4 Mar 03 2010 at 1:12 PM Rating: Decent
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akelah wrote:


I've come to the conclusions that if I play FFXIV while in beta, I may grow to resent it in some way and...leave. Just like AoC, WAR, LOTRO and CO.



I don't think it was the beta that did it in for those games but the games itself. I am sure that if you played those games after their release you would still get bored. FFXI is better than those games with the exception of maybe AoC and it's 8 years old. I like beta testing because it gives you an advantage when the game launches and it really does make you feel good when you were one of the people to help make the game even more polished at launch. Believe it or not people's voices are heard during Beta testing. Also being a Beta tester can save you money, if you don't like the game during the beta stages and you see that nothing really improves you don't buy the game. But if you wait for the game to come out and find you don't like it your out on some money you could have saved if you participated in the beta.
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#5 Mar 03 2010 at 1:18 PM Rating: Decent
I would love to get into the beta to learn the mechanics so when the actual game is released I don't have any learning curve.

Play around with various disciplines to find out which one I enjoy the most.

I won't read any of the story, because that's the one thing I don't want to spoil.

Report any issues I find.

I beta tested WoW Wotlk and Aion.

Edited, Mar 3rd 2010 2:25pm by Pseudopsia
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#6 Mar 03 2010 at 2:29 PM Rating: Good
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Your logic is flawed!

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Your reason for not wanting to play in beta does not actually have anything to do with beta, and here's why:

1. As you said, FFXI already had two expansions by the time you started playing it. If you want FFXIV to be just as complete as FFXI was you'll have to wait two to three years to play.

2. The fact that you grew bored of the four MMOs listed and the association you place with being in their beta's is irrelevant. They were over-hyped crap MMOs, it had nothing to do with beta.

3. Was FFXI your first MMO? Your first MMO always holds a special place in your heart, the fact that you didn't play the beta doesn't mean anything.

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I'm not saying beta doesn't ruin the game for you, though. I'm just saying you didn't really give a reason that qualifies because the games you listed aren't very good in the first place (with possible exception of LOTRO...though I don't like it). I personally gain some satisfaction from being one of the first to experience content and I enjoy helping people when the game is released with knowledge not readily available.
#7 Mar 03 2010 at 3:44 PM Rating: Good
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Your logic is flawed!

*dons a professor's outfit...or pointed ears, whatever floats your boat*

Your reason for not wanting to play in beta does not actually have anything to do with beta, and here's why:

1. As you said, FFXI already had two expansions by the time you started playing it. If you want FFXIV to be just as complete as FFXI was you'll have to wait two to three years to play.

2. The fact that you grew bored of the four MMOs listed and the association you place with being in their beta's is irrelevant. They were over-hyped crap MMOs, it had nothing to do with beta.

3. Was FFXI your first MMO? Your first MMO always holds a special place in your heart, the fact that you didn't play the beta doesn't mean anything.

*takes off costume*

I'm not saying beta doesn't ruin the game for you, though. I'm just saying you didn't really give a reason that qualifies because the games you listed aren't very good in the first place (with possible exception of LOTRO...though I don't like it). I personally gain some satisfaction from being one of the first to experience content and I enjoy helping people when the game is released with knowledge not readily available.


Fully agreed. Wether someone took part in a beta or not isn't entirely relevent. Of course, this is assuming a person actually does treat the word 'beta' seriously and actually accurately reports bugs (Checking the bug doesn't already exist first). Being a beta tester is a responsibility, not a way of getting early info.

As for point 3, PSOBB was my first, and I started it during open beta. The game was pretty solid, and the only real 'bug' we encountered was that we could invite lv1 players in to advanced areas. The test was great fun and used it to introduce others to the game, who later went on to become paid subscribers. Unfortunately, Sega, a couple of years later made it impossible for a player to solo. Others in a party were required. Now, if you know people across timezones, there is a lot of set up involved in making sure everyone is around for partying. At all other times, it's almost just you. I loved the game, but that killed the experience for me.

I've beta tested Windows Vista, Windows Home Server, Office 2010, Windows 7, Exchange 2010 and XBox 360 firmware updates and I have to say it's no big deal. A challenge more than anything because you're running unstable unfinished software that can at any moment kill your windows installation or delete data, and for each and every single bug you encounter you have to state what the bug is, whether it's reproducible, if so, steps to reproduce, whether or not restarting/reconfiguration fixed the bug, I mean, there is a lot to it. You directly converse and provide feedback to development and your bug reports directly help the game become stable, and enjoyable to play. Early access to restricted info shouldn't come in to it, it's the passion for helping to make a game you're excited about as stable as possible by providing as much detailed feedback as possible is what being an alpha/beta tester is all about.

The end result is that thousands of players are playing and enjoying a game you directly helped toward making as stable as possible, and for me that is a rewarding experience in itself. They don't know you reported x bug or y bug, and they don't know those bugs existed, but it makes the effort in writing all those bug reports worth it just by seeing people enjoying the gameplay experience and not encountering the bugs you reported and helped to fix. It's the warm fuzzy feeling you get when you realise that you helped to make the game special, and building on the line Yogtheterrible said, Final Fantasy XIV might be a lot of players first MMO, and if it's a good experience, it holds a special place in their heart.

Playing beta doesn't ruin the game, or at least it shouldn't if you treat the role seriously.
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My first MMO was Everquest: Online Adventures for ps2, and while i have some fond memories, 95% of that game was garbage. FFXI was #2, and i guess was more like my first, because i always go back and play it, even after i've sworn it off and canceled content id's. You mentioned WAR and LotR:O; neither are bad, but they don't FEEL like a living world, despite having things that players can directly effect.

I want in the beta, but i'm pretty sure i screwed the pooch on it because i entered my old computer stats, not my shiny new computer stats.
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#9 Mar 03 2010 at 6:13 PM Rating: Good
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I want in the beta, but i'm pretty sure i screwed the pooch on it because i entered my old computer stats, not my shiny new computer stats.


If SE is like any other MMO developer undergoing beta testing, they'll be looking for players from a wide variety of backgrounds and computer specs. It would do them no good if all they learned from the beta was that FFXIV runs on awesome computers. They need to test it on dated ones as well, so your odds should be unchanged.
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#10 Mar 03 2010 at 9:16 PM Rating: Decent
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It's not something I have to worry about (yet?) because I plan on playing on the PS3. However, I can understand why you do and why you don't want to be in the beta.
I've personally never been a beta tester, I honestly don't have the time. FFXI was my first MMO and as much as I loved every minute of it, I had to play in blocks of hours. When my real life was asleep and I had me time. As a husband, father, and full time worker, this was the only time I had available and still is.

All that aside, I could see trying to get into the beta for an early preview of the game, even if it's incomplete. Cause lets be honest, in most cases, some is better than none.

On the other hand, any of my friends who have beta tested various other games have grown bored with them rather quickly. For many other reasons, but one that they all have is common is "I already did all the starting stuff, I really don't wanna level my character all the way up to XX again from level 1" Most recently, a friend of mine playing the Aion beta was rather annoyed that every beta test he had to re-level is character, and when the game came out officially he didn't even bother to load it into his PC cause he was so tired of starting over.
That says to me, either the game isn't worth repeating or, no one likes doing the same thing over when you have limited time.

Now granted, this is the way of the beta, and it is something you have to understand going in. It also wouldn't be fair to let beta players keep a character they already have leveled when the game first releases. But, it's because of this in particular that I wouldn't want to be a beta tester.

Good luck to those that are beta testers, I look forward to your words of advise when the game goes worldwide!
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#11 Mar 03 2010 at 9:37 PM Rating: Decent
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Eske wrote:
They need to test it on dated ones as well, so your odds should be unchanged.

Still, it is not uncommon for developers to target a very narrow subset of optimal hardware during the initial testing phases (e.g. a highly unstable Alpha test build), and only in later phases expand to a wider range of hardware after they've squashed some of the major bugs.

Developers and developers' time are a limited asset. By reducing potential hardware variables you can keep them more focused and efficient in tracking down & fixing bugs. Also remember that the majority of performance tweaking is usually done between the time a Beta ends and the release of the final version in stores.

For this initial Alpha test phase, Square-Enix is getting a wide-range of random hardware running FFXI from the VanaFest 2010 attendants, and likely a larger fixed set of optimal hardware from those who received email invites.
#12 Mar 03 2010 at 9:53 PM Rating: Decent
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I can totally understand not wanting to spoil the experience, a small part me of agree's with you, but the rest of me is too excited to see what the game has to offer.

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Still, it is not uncommon for developers to target a very narrow subset of optimal hardware during the initial testing phases


This doesn't seem to be the case with FF14 though, I know of a few people who have got in and already said they don't think their PC will handle the game.

Which I think is kind of stupid on Sqaures part.

Edited, Mar 3rd 2010 10:55pm by Diakar
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#13 Mar 03 2010 at 10:22 PM Rating: Good
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Diakar wrote:
I can totally understand not wanting to spoil the experience, a small part me of agree's with you, but the rest of me is too excited to see what the game has to offer.

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Still, it is not uncommon for developers to target a very narrow subset of optimal hardware during the initial testing phases


This doesn't seem to be the case with FF14 though, I know of a few people who have got in and already said they don't think their PC will handle the game.

Which I think is kind of stupid on Sqaures part.

Edited, Mar 3rd 2010 10:55pm by Diakar


Frankly, without any real data on the percentages of people with different computer specs, you really can't judge SE's actions on this.
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#14 Mar 04 2010 at 1:57 AM Rating: Good
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Your logic is flawed!

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Your reason for not wanting to play in beta does not actually have anything to do with beta, and here's why:

1. As you said, FFXI already had two expansions by the time you started playing it. If you want FFXIV to be just as complete as FFXI was you'll have to wait two to three years to play.

2. The fact that you grew bored of the four MMOs listed and the association you place with being in their beta's is irrelevant. They were over-hyped crap MMOs, it had nothing to do with beta.

3. Was FFXI your first MMO? Your first MMO always holds a special place in your heart, the fact that you didn't play the beta doesn't mean anything.

*takes off costume*

I'm not saying beta doesn't ruin the game for you, though. I'm just saying you didn't really give a reason that qualifies because the games you listed aren't very good in the first place (with possible exception of LOTRO...though I don't like it). I personally gain some satisfaction from being one of the first to experience content and I enjoy helping people when the game is released with knowledge not readily available.


1) Yup, I do want the game to be complete before I play it but as someone said, I'm to excited to wait any longer than the actual release date :D

2) You're totally right!

3) And yes it was my first.

You truely are wise, my firend! :D

I guess the reasonning behind my post is to kind of take some of the sparkle from the whole Beta thing. There is still some joy in the anticipation of playing, months down the road if needs be. While getting in early will give you those 'war-stories' to tell that's all you'll really have to show for it (which is still something I know lol), but those who don't get into Beta really, its not the end of the world and that's all I was really trying to express.

The replies are all really nice, everyones got a POV regarding it.
#15 Mar 04 2010 at 10:07 AM Rating: Good
If I may: Beta is foreplay.
1. Too little and launch time will be anticlimactic.
2. Too much and launch will go unnoticed.
3. Our preferences for what constitutes good foreplay are very individualistic.
4. Good foreplay is not an indication of future performance...

Sounds to me that the OP needs to not do beta and thereby not have any pre-loaded expectations of the game.
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Seems like 99 out of 100 players, especially the ones that are extremely desperate for a beta invite, are just look for a sneak peek/demo. Nothing wrong with that I suppose, but remember if beta testers aren't trying to break the game, document bugs, and provide feedback on gameplay, balance issues, content, etc... then the release version will be crappier than it could have been.

Edited, Mar 4th 2010 2:23pm by xXMalevolenceXx
#17 Mar 04 2010 at 2:27 PM Rating: Decent
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Nothing wrong with that I suppose, but remember if beta testers aren't trying to break the game, document bugs, and provide feedback on gameplay, balance issues, content, etc... then the release version will be crappier than it could have been.


I'm sure Square Enix is taking this into account, all they have to do is throw more users at it. Can't really expect unpaid beta testers to do a good job.
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#18 Mar 05 2010 at 1:37 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm not sure I want to play Beta either. However, I would like some new videos / information about the game. MW2 is getting kind of stale, especially with the awful way IW decided to make their online play.
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#19 Mar 05 2010 at 10:17 AM Rating: Good
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Just to give some prospective on what alpha and beta are here is an video of FFXI in Alpha.
http://movies.rpgamer.com/ff/ff11

Reason I posted this is to show people how different Alpha builds and the final product can be. I think people need to remember that Beta isn't some exclusive card to play a new game before everyone else, you're there to work, find bugs, and add suggestions. In some cases the stuff you play one week might be completely gone the next because the devs or players didn't like it. The final game is going to be very very different from what the beta testers are going to see later this month.

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#20 Mar 05 2010 at 12:55 PM Rating: Excellent
xXMalevolenceXx wrote:
Seems like 99 out of 100 players, especially the ones that are extremely desperate for a beta invite, are just look for a sneak peek/demo. Nothing wrong with that I suppose, but remember if beta testers aren't trying to break the game, document bugs, and provide feedback on gameplay, balance issues, content, etc... then the release version will be crappier than it could have been.


I don't think I'd go as far as to say that 99% of the Beta applicants are only there to get a sneak peek of the game. I would probably guess that a big percentage signed up to both get a sneak peek and a chance to improve XIV.

At least, that's why I signed up Smiley: grin
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That's why I don't want to, I know if I got into Beta I would do my very best to test the game as much as I could, report bugs and generally try to be as much of a help as I could. I've done that in so many other games in the past and really grown to hate them.

Someone said I don't want to go into the game with any pre-conceptions? Well yeah lol! I mean when I walked into FFXI it was all so big! I didn't have a clue what I was doing. I like feeling my way around, getting to know slowly what does what, where to get this. The thought of playing Beta having all that wiped, to do it all again and have it feel - monotonous - is something I want to avoid.

So I'm content to wait for the actual release. Where I can play non-stop!

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#22 Mar 06 2010 at 10:33 AM Rating: Good
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I'd really like to know server names so I can co-ordinate with all my friends and family who are playing without all the server hoping....

Yeah, I know, looong time coming for such a minor concern, but the sooner the beta starts, the closer the game is.... I hope.
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That's why I don't want to, I know if I got into Beta I would do my very best to test the game as much as I could, report bugs and generally try to be as much of a help as I could. I've done that in so many other games in the past and really grown to hate them.


This is usually caused by a combination of a few things:

A) Developers not listening to beta tester feedback for changes/enhancements.

B) Developers not fixing 'bugs' because they claim the behavior is 'by design' and actually a 'feature'.

C) Developers rushing the release of the final version without the necessary polish, against the recommendation of beta testers.

D) Lack of communication and transparency from the developers about bugs/suggestions/enhancements submitted by beta testers and why changes are either made or not made.

E) Beta testers becoming intimately familiar with all the flaws within a game, and disappointed with the developers on point A, B, C, and D.

F) The final game leaving a bad taste in your mouth and becoming less fun because of point E.

G) Lack of a community (forum, newsgroups, etc) for the beta testers to interact among themselves and discuss all things relating to the beta. Though I doubt this will be an issue with the FFXIV beta, being an MMO and all.

H) Lack of awe and wonder during the final release. Seen this, been there, done that. Time to do it all over again so I can reach new content.

For the reasons above, some Betas end up as an enjoyable and rewarding experience, while others end with disappointment and loathing the final product to a certain extent. With FFXIV, much of this burden will lie on Square-Enix, and whether or not they keep organized and run a tight ship. The rest lies on Beta testers doing their part by submitting good feedback. If 95% of Beta testers fool themselves into thinking the beta is just a sneak-peak demo, and wrongly assume the remaining 5% of testers are going to be able to pick-up the slack, they are doing a disservice to everybody and the beta experience as well as the quality of the final product will suffer.

Even with some of the beta testing risks listed above, I still find myself joining both high-profile and low-profile beta tests quite often. As long as you put forth an honest effort by filing bugs, you can leave feeling you have made a difference. You can honestly say you submitted enough feedback to make the game the best possible, and it's now in the developer's hands to either listen or not. Even if the developer only listens to 1 out of every 10 suggestions you make, you can say you did your part in making FFXIV a better game.

That said, preferring to skip beta testing is a perfectly valid opinion, which no one should look down on. After all, one of the greatest rewards for Beta testers is seeing those who skipped the beta having the best experience possible with the final product, while being none the wiser to all the trails and tribulations Beta testers had to go through to get to that point.

Edited, Mar 6th 2010 6:51pm by Cyberbeing
#24 Mar 06 2010 at 9:35 PM Rating: Decent
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XIV was actually the first beta I've ever signed up for. I mean, I'm currently under the assumption that my application was rejected, but whatever, I gave it a shot. I was actually excited to get into something brand now and have my input used to improve the gameplay experience.

I'm by no means an hardcore MMOer, and FFXI was my first. Even tho I quit and moved to Aion last November, I miss my Dark Knight and the very unique group-play atmosphere FFXI offered. Guess I just thought it'd be fun to be part of SE's next big project.
#25 Mar 06 2010 at 10:19 PM Rating: Decent
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I know I hope I get in on this second round of invites...

I considered getting an additional account for $20 just to double my odds...
#26 Mar 07 2010 at 12:13 AM Rating: Decent
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I don't think I'd go as far as to say that 99% of the Beta applicants are only there to get a sneak peek of the game. I would probably guess that a big percentage signed up to both get a sneak peek and a chance to improve XIV.


I sign up for betas just so I can be better then everyone else and say "I've been playing sense Beta, I remember when ****!"
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