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#1 Mar 11 2010 at 7:42 PM Rating: Decent
So, many of you are wondering what the **** NDA stands for. Many of you know all too well what an NDA is. Let's talk about this for a minute.

NDA. (Non Disclosure Agreement.)
This means, that if you get selected to the Beta, you can't tell anyone.

Is this a bad thing?
No! No it isn't. Imagine, you are playing the beta, and you see something really cool. So you tell all you're friends, "This is bad ***!". Only to find out, that it was dropped from the game.
Companies use the NDA for several reasons, but for 1 really important reason:
The game isn't finished yet.
While you are telling your friends about a really sweet move .... it discontinued. Now, people expect a move that won't even be in the game.

Now let's talk about the agreement you have with the beta company.
Once you are accepted, you are asked to agree with the NDA.

They are asking you, to promise not to say anything about the game. If you agree, you can play. If you refuse .. no Beta For Joo!

Is it really necessary to break these rules? So some anonymous people think you are cool?
It is a privilege. We play beta's to find bugs. To make the game better for everyone. Do you think telling everyone on the internet is going to make you a superstar?

A PERSON is only as good as their word. If you can't follow the rules, pretty soon there will be no beta.


TLDR; Keep your word.

Edited, Mar 11th 2010 6:08pm by Pikko Lock Thread: derailed into flamefest
#2 Mar 11 2010 at 7:43 PM Rating: Excellent
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There is a sticky...
#3 Mar 11 2010 at 7:46 PM Rating: Decent
Sorry Pikko, but i know it's gonna be rough around here for the next few months. I don't think the people i'm talking about read stickies anyway ... lol.
Edit: lock if you wish. This was more of an attack anyway. I hate people that can't keep a promise. ><

Edited, Mar 11th 2010 8:48pm by Tenfooterten
#4 Mar 11 2010 at 8:07 PM Rating: Decent
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the people you are talking about probably don't frequent this site.

Also, anyone wanna take bets on how long it is before a post on BG results in them getting sent a C&D order? Cause a number of people think that because SE wont be able to tie an account in game to an account in the beta means that it is ok to post leaks.
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NDA means doesn't mean jack if you're not part of the conspiracy. ;)
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#6 Mar 11 2010 at 8:16 PM Rating: Default
alphamone wrote:
the people you are talking about probably don't frequent this site.

Also, anyone wanna take bets on how long it is before a post on BG results in them getting sent a C&D order? Cause a number of people think that because SE wont be able to tie an account in game to an account in the beta means that it is ok to post leaks.


They do frequent this site. Se will ban Ip's. This will be funny to watch, but very sad. I'd hate to see a FF fan get banned, just because he knew someone that broke the NDA.
#7 Mar 11 2010 at 8:24 PM Rating: Good
Tenfooterten, Assassin Reject wrote:
alphamone wrote:
the people you are talking about probably don't frequent this site.

Also, anyone wanna take bets on how long it is before a post on BG results in them getting sent a C&D order? Cause a number of people think that because SE wont be able to tie an account in game to an account in the beta means that it is ok to post leaks.


They do frequent this site. Se will ban Ip's. This will be funny to watch, but very sad. I'd hate to see a FF fan get banned, just because he knew someone that broke the NDA.


I think maybe you're overreacting a bit. Did you read Pikko's sticky? SE can't ban ZAM. SE doesn't get access to ZAM's IP information to ban users who happened to have been signed on when someone makes a post including details from the beta. The admins here will be nuking such posts on sight and will be banning the posters. If people want to break the NDA, that's between them and SE to sort out. Joe Poster isn't going to experience consequences as a result of Bob Loudmouth's decision to come here and leak information, and ZAM as a whole would only fall under the gaze of SE's vengeful eye if they left posts with leaked information unchecked.
#8 Mar 11 2010 at 8:27 PM Rating: Good
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Oh hi brown-nosing white knights that can't read stickies.
#9 Mar 11 2010 at 8:28 PM Rating: Decent
I just want to see people living up to their promise. When you agree to something ... that's your WORD. You are only as good as your WORD.
I respect people that can do that. I think, that most people respect that.
#10 Mar 11 2010 at 8:35 PM Rating: Decent
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Tenfooterten, Assassin Reject wrote:
alphamone wrote:
the people you are talking about probably don't frequent this site.

Also, anyone wanna take bets on how long it is before a post on BG results in them getting sent a C&D order? Cause a number of people think that because SE wont be able to tie an account in game to an account in the beta means that it is ok to post leaks.


They do frequent this site. Se will ban Ip's. This will be funny to watch, but very sad. I'd hate to see a FF fan get banned, just because he knew someone that broke the NDA.


I think maybe you're overreacting a bit. Did you read Pikko's sticky? SE can't ban ZAM. SE doesn't get access to ZAM's IP information to ban users who happened to have been signed on when someone makes a post including details from the beta. The admins here will be nuking such posts on sight and will be banning the posters. If people want to break the NDA, that's between them and SE to sort out. Joe Poster isn't going to experience consequences as a result of Bob Loudmouth's decision to come here and leak information, and ZAM as a whole would only fall under the gaze of SE's vengeful eye if they left posts with leaked information unchecked.


I know you are right. That's not the point though. This thread isn't about what zam can do, or is responsible for. This thread is for all the wayward children. The people that might feel obligated to the online community.
It's the people that don't know, that we have to fear the most.
#11 Mar 11 2010 at 8:45 PM Rating: Decent
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Tenfooterten, Assassin Reject wrote:
So, many of you are wondering what the **** NDA stands for. Many of you know all too well what an NDA is. Let's talk about this for a minute.

NDA. (Non Disclosure Agreement.)
This means, that if you get selected to the Beta, you can't tell anyone.

Is this a bad thing?
No! No it isn't. Imagine, you are playing the beta, and you see something really cool. So you tell all you're friends, "This is bad ***!". Only to find out, that it was dropped from the game.
Companies use the NDA for several reasons, but for 1 really important reason:
The game isn't finished yet.
While you are telling your friends about a really sweet move .... it discontinued. Now, people expect a move that won't even be in the game.

Now let's talk about the agreement you have with the beta company.
Once you are accepted, you are asked to agree with the NDA.

They are asking you, to promise not to say anything about the game. If you agree, you can play. If you refuse .. no Beta For Joo!

Is it really necessary to break these rules? So some anonymous people think you are cool?
It is a privilege. We play beta's to find bugs. To make the game better for everyone. Do you think telling everyone on the internet is going to make you a superstar?

A PERSON is only as good as their word. If you can't follow the rules, pretty soon there will be no beta.


TLDR; Keep your word.


Are you talking to a room of 9th graders?

Are you writing propaganda?

Are you trying to be condescending?

Not only was this thread completely and utterly unnecessary, it's almost offensive how dumb and suggestible you think this community is.

Anyone who already know what an NDA was is shaking their head. Anyone who didn't know probably didn't care, but your message failed to educate.

NDAs have been broken since the dawn of time. Most people abide by them. Some don't. Your thread won't change that. If anything, it would make me more likely to break it.

tl;dr Thread should be nuked to avoid puking

Tenfooterten, Assassin Reject wrote:
I hate people that can't keep a promise. ><


And I can say with nearly complete certainty that this is the wrong venue for your teenage principled arguments.

tl;dr No one cares.

Tenfooterten, Assassin Reject wrote:
This thread is for all the wayward children. The people that might feel obligated to the online community.
It's the people that don't know, that we have to fear the most.


Fear? LOL. If they let out a little detail from beta, they could upset the balance in the cosmos. A feature could be taken out of the game. Before you know it, we're back on New Caprica under Cylon rule, Centurions everywhere. All because some nub spilled a detail - and then it was removed. Then came the riots; eventually the hangings followed.

tl;rd fail

Edited, Mar 11th 2010 9:50pm by Jordster
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#12 Mar 11 2010 at 8:46 PM Rating: Good
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Oh hi brown-nosing white knights that can't read stickies.


I was rapidly scrolling through the thread, barely picked up the phrase "brown-nosing," and instantly knew that that post was money.

+1 to this guy
#13 Mar 11 2010 at 8:47 PM Rating: Decent
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Morsmorde wrote:
cureslime wrote:
Oh hi brown-nosing white knights that can't read stickies.


I was rapidly scrolling through the thread, barely picked up the phrase "brown-nosing," and instantly knew that that post was money.

+1 to this guy


Within 1 minute your post was "Excellent" before I could even click the green button.
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#14Tenfooterten, Assassin Reject, Posted: Mar 11 2010 at 9:14 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post)
#15Tenfooterten, Assassin Reject, Posted: Mar 11 2010 at 9:16 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Oh, you read it.
#16Tenfooterten, Assassin Reject, Posted: Mar 11 2010 at 9:37 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I told you ... they are all coming out now lol.
#17 Mar 11 2010 at 9:38 PM Rating: Good
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There may be a sticky about it, but that didn't stop that half dozen threads that were created about a week ago.
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#18 Mar 11 2010 at 9:38 PM Rating: Default
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yawn...

sucking up to the mods trying to do their job.

then taking the whole post off subject by giving in the trolls and responding to them talking down to you.

Obviously if the results are negative this thread is unneeded... i am not meaning to be rude but really, we don't need another e-rage thread.
#19 Mar 11 2010 at 9:48 PM Rating: Good
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It's too bad Square didn't take it up another notch and just make it a Confidentiality Agreement.

Ie. An agreement were you agree not to mention that there was an agreement and if there was an agreement... you didn't agree to it.

Edited, Mar 11th 2010 9:48pm by patient
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#20 Mar 11 2010 at 9:51 PM Rating: Decent
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TL; DR

Sry, If there was an NDA, I imagine that it would clearly state that discussing it would constitute a breach of said NDA.

Thus, If you were, for some reason, bound by said NDA, you would be breaching this NDA by talking of it, thus making you ineligable for the beta.
#21 Mar 11 2010 at 9:51 PM Rating: Default
It's amazing .. you respond to the thread .. but you give no info. Why did you come to this thread? This thread is for people that can't keep a promise. Your name has been noted.
#22 Mar 11 2010 at 9:53 PM Rating: Decent
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We already had a thread about this. It as discussing the fact that if there was an NDA, the very mention of the NDA is against the NDA because that hypothetical NDA states that the NDA is not to be disclosed if it exists.

Read the hypothetical NDA plx.
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I hope some people break the NDA. I like to hear about what the beta is like just for the historical perspective of it.

Dun do it here, of course.
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OP thank you for taking a stance to save the world, lives undoubtedly were saved. That and you made me throw up in my mouth a bit. Go shoot yourself.
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#25 Mar 11 2010 at 9:55 PM Rating: Decent
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(b) the existence and the terms of this Agreement,

that isn't in the NDA that we didn't sign cause there was no NDA.
#26 Mar 11 2010 at 9:59 PM Rating: Decent
You can be so proud of yourself. You know all about how it all works. Congrats!!!!! You have spent soooo much time knowing what's what!


#27 Mar 11 2010 at 10:00 PM Rating: Decent
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(b) the existence and the terms of this Agreement,

that isn't in the NDA that we didn't sign cause there was no NDA.
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Anyhow. Is this all necessary? We are all aware of the NDA. We have all had 3 months to think about it. You aren't going to change anyone's minds about what they are going to or aren't going to do.

All this does is incite rage and make people flame you. I can't say eachother because it seems to be pretty seems to be against you.

Really now, lets let this thread die.
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I know you meant well, Tenfooterten, but since the thread isn't really accomplishing much, I have to lock and point everyone to the sticky.

We'll be nuking minor offenses and leaving ones we think are just bs, but serious offenses like blatant info or screenshots will result in an immediate ban.
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