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#1 Mar 18 2010 at 3:54 PM Rating: Good
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Thoughts/opinions on the inclusion of surnames? It seems from an earlier posted screenshot that we'll be able to use one (guessing it'll be optional, or maybe they just allow spaces in the name field). I might lean toward using one, but then it'll take twice as long to create my character.

Frankly, I just can't wait to run into Fjbhpernoz Axlqhwe.
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I don't see the point of having long complex names in a game. What could I gain from having a surname in a game?
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#3 Mar 18 2010 at 4:03 PM Rating: Decent
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I don't see the point of having long complex names in a game. What could I gain from having a surname in a game?


I don't see the point in having more than one race, nor other character customization options either. What could I gain from dying my hair green or making my skin pale?
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I would use a surname just so I can show that I am related to my two brothers who most likely will also be playing. It doesn't really matter that much, but I like it.
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I would use a surname just so I can show that I am related to my two brothers who most likely will also be playing. It doesn't really matter that much, but I like it.


that would be pretty neat to see in a party.

i can actually see the roleplay element being strengthened due to the simple inclusion of surnames.

as for me, probably just 'snuggans'. or 'snuggans wafflebottoms'. if you see a lalafell running around with that name.. yeah..
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I don't see the point of having long complex names in a game. What could I gain from having a surname in a game?


I don't see the point in having more than one race, nor other character customization options either. What could I gain from dying my hair green or making my skin pale?


No wait I changed my mind. I want surnames. But why stop there? I want a social security number as well, passport controls when crossing zones, having to brush my teeth two times a day... ...
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#7 Mar 18 2010 at 4:47 PM Rating: Good
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are you for real? stop making a big deal over last names. All it means now is that people can use a space between words. And now instead of being for example "Sephirothx" you can be Sephiroth X.
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I don't see the point of having long complex names in a game. What could I gain from having a surname in a game?


I don't see the point in having more than one race, nor other character customization options either. What could I gain from dying my hair green or making my skin pale?


No wait I changed my mind. I want surnames. But why stop there? I want a social security number as well, passport controls when crossing zones, having to brush my teeth two times a day... ...


I don't know about either of those exaggerated examples, but I don't think its any sort of stretch to imagine that many people would appreciate the added level of personalization that a surname could bring.
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If you don't want to use a surname, don't. With the severely limited amount of character customization available in FFXI, I can't believe we're complaining about something SE is actually giving us to improve on that.
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although you dont need spaces really to make names to relate with some other plyaers
such as those powerrangers (yellowpowerranger, pinkpoweranger, bluepowerranger, etc) in Midgard server

it just seems to me the Surname will make names look weird...
it's like the old MMO games that ppl putting their clan name in their name so ppl know they are a team...
AOE_Phantom AOE_MORPH
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Strike_v3 Machine_v3

even without the underscores, it will still look weird to me with a surname...
but I guess this is a done deal, as we can see the new screenshot.. that player name were called "Destiny Katayama"
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I don't see the point in having more than one race, nor other character customization options either. What could I gain from dying my hair green or making my skin pale?


You might have made a decent point if names weren't always unique, unlike race and character customization. The more customization we have in terms of how our characters look the less likely we are to run into an exact copy of ourselves. But No matter what, whether we have surnames or not, we'll never run into someone with the same name as us. I know you were just trying to prove a point... better luck next time.

And in regards to the actual topic, I personally don't want surnames and hope I'm not forced to have one. If other people want them (and don't use them to make their names lame puns or adjective+word combinations (i.e. Dark Warrior, Shadow Hunter, etc.)) then that's fine with me.
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You might have made a decent point if names weren't always unique, unlike race and character customization. The more customization we have in terms of how our characters look the less likely we are to run into an exact copy of ourselves. But No matter what, whether we have surnames or not, we'll never run into someone with the same name as us. I know you were just trying to prove a point... better luck next time.


And what's the problem in making the names even more unique? Have you not ever encountered a problem where a name you would like to use in a game was already taken? In that light, using a surname is one efficient way to differ yourself from the other guy with the same forename, without being a copycat or having to choose a different name altogether.
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I like the idea of a surname. Not just having a first name/surname, but also for role-play purposes. Sure we'll have people with annoying names like Jeffrey Dahmer, George Bush, Last Mohican, Omega One, and Dark Ranger, but just because some people will use an idea in the worst ways, doesn't mean that it's not a good idea or that we should punish everyone.
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#14 Mar 18 2010 at 6:30 PM Rating: Decent
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This is an interesting idea that I like because it gives people's characters more originality if not used for the above 5-year old example's such as "Dark Ranger" and I could just see it now "Awesome <insert job class>". I will not use those beforementioned examples. Anyhow I am excited to come up with a surname and look forward to see other player's names. One thing I liked about FFXI was the auto-name generator. To me anyway it made names seem to fit in the final fantasy world.
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I like the idea of surnames.

At the same time, I dread it. Not because of all the ridiculous crap you will see people running around with (though I am not looking forward to that either) but because, if they make the surname mandatory, it means instead of being able to use the names I use in all my MMOs which don't work well with a surname, I'll have to come up with something new. x2. Which means that I probably won't be playing on my main character for at least a week (because it will take at least that long for me to come up with something I really like). To me, my character name is a very important thing. It's you. What you are called, what everyone knows you by. A lot of thought should be put into it, imo.

On the other hand, if they do what EQ1 did, and make it so that you have one name at start, and can later add a surname if you choose to that would be great (in EQ1, you started out with the 1 name, and after your character passed a certain level, you had the option of giving yourself a surname, using a simple /slash command).
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As long as I'm not required to use two names, I don't care.


If I am, I will be ****** off.

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And in regards to the actual topic, I personally don't want surnames and hope I'm not forced to have one. If other people want them (and don't use them to make their names lame puns or adjective+word combinations (i.e. Dark Warrior, Shadow Hunter, etc.)) then that's fine with me.


You can be sure names like that will exist. Well, probably not those exactly, I doubt "Dark" and "Shadow" will be legal names. But you can bet on puns. As well as people maxing out the number of characters to literally fill up your screen with their name. And of course people testing the name rules with borderline appropriate names. Have you never played an MMO before? :D
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DEEP down inside I am hoping the surnames are selected from a list or part of your guild. Instead of having pearls, you will have a surname.

Chances are they won't though, and it could destroy the game a bit depending on what is allowed. I'm anxious to see it in action.
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#19 Mar 18 2010 at 8:57 PM Rating: Good
I think it's not a bad idea. Have the option to show people's full name or just first name. Gives people some variety and they can choose the same first name and still be distinct. Just do like WoW and have lots of support for things like shift+clicking names to paste them.
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I suppose it would be good for in game marriages, just sad to the bride if their hubby's surname is Wafflebottoms.!!

Priest ".... And Do you Snuggems Wafflebottoms take Spirex Ogrekiller to be your lawful wedded wife"
Snuggems Wafflebottom "I Do"
Priest "I now pronounce you man and wife"

<<Spirex will now be SPIREX WAFFLEBOTTOM>>

Spirex Wafflebottom "Wait Wut?!?!"

**sorry spire for using you as an example

Oh and also you'll probably see alot of "Princess's" and "Lord's" as a first name





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I suppose it would be good for in game marriages, just sad to the bride if their hubby's surname is Wafflebottoms.!!

Priest ".... And Do you Snuggems Wafflebottoms take Spirex Ogrekiller to be your lawful wedded wife"
Snuggems Wafflebottom "I Do"
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#22 Mar 18 2010 at 9:25 PM Rating: Good
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And what's the problem in making the names even more unique? Have you not ever encountered a problem where a name you would like to use in a game was already taken? In that light, using a surname is one efficient way to differ yourself from the other guy with the same forename, without being a copycat or having to choose a different name altogether.


Without being a copycat? More like tons of people are going to accidentally be copycats. I'd hate to find that a dozen people have the same first name as me, I'd feel far less unique, not more unique.
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Oh and also you'll probably see alot of "Princess's" and "Lord's" as a first name


That was my first thought exactly.
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I'm ok with it as long as the 1st name still has to be unique.

Imagine how much /tells would suck if you had to type out a first/last name.
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I'm thinking we won't be able to choose our last names. First name yes, but since there will be tribes, maybe we'll just have a choice of surnames that are unique to the area we'll be from?
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Personally I wouldn't use a last name if I could, just to eliminate my chances of running into someone else that saw my name and said "Gee, I really like that name! I'm gonna make it my name too!"

I don't like copycats, it takes me a ton of time to come up with a name I'm going to use for the rest of my FFXIV days, and I go out of my way to make sure no one else has the same name. Like if Zach is taken, I don't try Zachh, or superzach. I've had alot of problems with games where I(Capital i) and l(Lowercase L) look the same in the chat box.

It may be better if you could alter your last name in game, but your first name was set in stone when you created your character.
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I like the inclusion of surnames but i hope they have a cap on how many same first names and same last names there are in a given server. i.e., I don't want to run into a million Cloud Strfe(r,x,d,l,....etc.).
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Personally I wouldn't use a last name if I could, just to eliminate my chances of running into someone else that saw my name and said "Gee, I really like that name! I'm gonna make it my name too!"

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#30 Mar 19 2010 at 5:50 AM Rating: Good
I'd like to have surnames as I would like to try and use my real name ingame if possible :) may sound weird but I'm not too good at making up names :s
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What Mostaru said is true to some extent. It is basically what me and my brothers did too, but the less fun thing about that is that we can't have the names we like, but have to try and fit it with each other instead. With a surname we could choose whatever name we really like as first names, and match our surnames, which to me is a better choise.

I think first names should be unique, surnames not unique and you should be able to choose whether you want to use a surname or not.

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I'm so happy with the surname option. Character creation for me goes really fast until I'm at the name part. Then it takes makes hours. Not that I have a hard time thinking up names but it's always taken, TAKEN, T A K E N.

Atleast now I'll have a first name I want with a decent name behind it.
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If you get a surname, I'd like it not to show on your character, maybe in the profile, or when NPCs talk formally to you is ok.

And wont having surnames mean that people will be have either identical first names but different surnames, or the other way around?

Hmmmm....
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Well, the most recent issue of Dengeki kinda confirms the first/last name issue:

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So I suppose whether people like it or not is irrelevant. Time to get used to the fact that it's coming.
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#35 Mar 19 2010 at 11:31 AM Rating: Good
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I'd like to have surnames as I would like to try and use my real name ingame if possible :) may sound weird but I'm not too good at making up names :s


I realy don't recomend it, there are plenty of online databases for babynames as well as surnames lists. Useing your real name could be more trouble than you want.
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I, for one, would prefer having a surname.

I wonder how /tells would work though.

"/tell Firstname"?
"/tell Surname"?
"/tell FirstnameSurname"?

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I, for one, would prefer having a surname.

I wonder how /tells would work though.

"/tell Firstname"?
"/tell Surname"?
"/tell FirstnameSurname"?


It'll probably be "/tell Firstname Surname,". Note the comma at the end. That's how COH did it, and another game though I don;'t remember what the other one that did it was.
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I am totally bringing back my old druid's surname! I used to use Berrypicker and I lubbed it so much.
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#39 Mar 19 2010 at 5:59 PM Rating: Good
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I don't see the point of having long complex names in a game. What could I gain from having a surname in a game?


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Frankly, I just can't wait to run into Fjbhpernoz Axlqhwe.


Why can't you wait to run into me and how did you know my name? Have we met?
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I, for one, would prefer having a surname.

I wonder how /tells would work though.

"/tell Firstname"?
"/tell Surname"?
"/tell FirstnameSurname"?


I don't know if you've played WAR but in it you can have Surnames. However, you have to get it in game, not at character creation. Your first name is the only part that needs to be unique and it is the only part that you need in order to /tell someone.
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If surnames are mandatory then its possible for /t First Last,

But if they aren't mandatory then one of the names SE will require to be unique and you will be referred to as that. I'd much rather type /t princeofpies, than I would /t princeofpies kingofspain,
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As long as numbers are not allowed then I'm good. I really don't mind the Darks, Lords, or Princesses or even the Awesome Lancers.
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As long as numbers are not allowed then I'm good. I really don't mind the Darks, Lords, or Princesses or even the Awesome Lancers.


Hate to break it to you, but...

It looks like there WILL be numbers.

That has me far more annoyed than surnames. Surnames at least add a degree of realism. What the **** kind of name is "gcuser010" (the first letter isn't even capitalized properly either)
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That has me far more annoyed than surnames. Surnames at least add a degree of realism. What the **** kind of name is "gcuser010" (the first letter isn't even capitalized properly either)


I dont know if you can call that conclusive evidence. There doesn't look to be a space between any of the gcuser names and their numbers. Also as you said they aren't capitalized properly. Highly unlikely SE will allow that. I'd say those were just setup characters so you could see a couple different classes. Not even close to the final product
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That has me far more annoyed than surnames. Surnames at least add a degree of realism. What the **** kind of name is "gcuser010" (the first letter isn't even capitalized properly either)


I dont know if you can call that conclusive evidence. There doesn't look to be a space between any of the gcuser names and their numbers. Also as you said they aren't capitalized properly. Highly unlikely SE will allow that. I'd say those were just setup characters so you could see a couple different classes. Not even close to the final product


Dunno for sure, myself. Won't know till I play it. Really hoping that there won't be numbers in names when the servers are live. I have no personal preference one way or the other regarding surnames. If anything, I would probably prefer NOT to have them since "/tell bill hey" is a lot easier than "/tell bill drakesbane, hey". But a surname would be fun, I guess.
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Hate to break it to you, but...

It looks like there WILL be numbers.

That has me far more annoyed than surnames. Surnames at least add a degree of realism. What the **** kind of name is "gcuser010" (the first letter isn't even capitalized properly either)


i assume that 'gcuser010' is supposed to be a generic method of assigning and identifying all the different players (or the number is used to identify the access point in which anyone attending the convention can use to play). 'gc' for games convention (leipzig), and the different numbers used to identify.

i don't think there will be numbers in the launch and there probably aren't any numbers right now in the beta(s). the numbers were allowed for that scenario because it was probably easier to generate those types of names. there weren't any numbers in FFXI and i'd be really surprised if they changed their minds now.

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