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#1 Mar 21 2010 at 12:52 PM Rating: Excellent
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About to start saving for and buying parts for my FFXIV rig,(I'm not rich so going to do this slowly over the next few months). This will be the first gaming PC I've ever built, and am pretty excited to get started.

Now I'm posting here because I know many of you reading this are very experienced with this sort of thing, and alas I am not. I also am aware we don't yet have specs for FFXIV aside from PS3 system comparisons and speculations and other general speculations. I am just hoping to get some good feedback on my part choices and possible ways to reduce the cost of this build, and end up with a system that would have a great chance of running FFXIV at full throttle.

Again, starting this now and not when we have all the spec information simply because I have to buy the parts slowly over the next few months to pull it off,(life has a funny way of finding ways to drain the old savings account every time, in the form of a natural disaster or some other ingenious method).

Here's what I've selected via my internet research:

Processor: Intel Core i7 920, 2.66ghz, LGA 1366, 8mb L3 Cache, Quad Core
-$279.99

Video Card x2 SLI: GeForce GTX 260, Overclocked MAXCORE, 896mb, GDDR3
-$209.99 x2

Motherboard: EVGA X58 SLI LGA 1366
-$239.99

RAM: OCZ Platinum Triple Channel 3x2GB(6GB Total) PC10666, DDR3 1333mhz
-$132.99

Power Supply: Corsair TX750 750 watt, 80Plus
-$109.99

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master V8 CPU Fan
-$64.99

Case: Cooler Master HAF(High Air Flow?) Full Tower
-$159.99

Hard Drive: WD Raptor 10,000 RPM 150GB
-$159.99

DVD Drive: Some random decent brand DVD drive between 30 and 50 bucks..
-$40.00

About $1,600.00 total, which is alot more than I'd like to spend but my main priority is a system that will really run the game and other games beautifully. Any tips, suggestions, alternatives would be great, thanks=)



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#2 Mar 21 2010 at 12:57 PM Rating: Good
If you're going to be spending $420 for video, I'd suggest skipping the DX10 SLI nVidia and just going with a single Radeon 5870. You'll get similar performance for the same price and also be ready for DX11. Then a year or two from now when newer cards push the prices down you can add another 5870 for a little extra oomph if you really want to.

Edit: Also, assuming it wasn't a typo, I'd seriously consider taking the money you'd be spending on a 150GB HDD and going with a 30-60GB SSD and then throwing a 500GB-1TB slower HDD in for storage. All told it would cost you probably around $50 more for SSD + slower storage, but in terms of performance, if you're going to spend that kind of money on a small but fast HDD, you might as well go all the way and move up to SSD.

Edited, Mar 21st 2010 12:03pm by AureliusSir
#3 Mar 21 2010 at 12:58 PM Rating: Excellent
Looks like a nice system.

I'd only suggest getting 2 HDs and putting them into a RAID 0 array.

I notice you didn't add peripheral cards like sound/network. Are you going all onboard for the sake of overclocking your CPU with less mobo stress?
#4 Mar 21 2010 at 1:18 PM Rating: Decent
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Also, assuming it wasn't a typo, I'd seriously consider taking the money you'd be spending on a 150GB HDD and going with a 30-60GB SSD and then throwing a 500GB-1TB slower HDD in for storage. All told it would cost you probably around $50 more for SSD + slower storage, but in terms of performance, if you're going to spend that kind of money on a small but fast HDD, you might as well go all the way and move up to SSD.


Excellent tip, thank you! I had not researched Hard Drive options much at all, only read an article for the Raptor drive, I will look into this right away.

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I notice you didn't add peripheral cards like sound/network. Are you going all onboard for the sake of overclocking your CPU with less mobo stress?


Overclocking is not something I know much about at all at this point, the reason that I did not look into a sound card was because the video reviews that I watched for the EVGA mobo I picked stated that the on-board 7.1 audio was very good. Also the speaker set up I have at the moment wouldn't do any justice to a higher end sound card, but maybe in the future I can upgrade that too? Is there a sound card for gaming that you would recommend?
#5 Mar 21 2010 at 1:27 PM Rating: Good
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Coming from a crossfire setup, I strongly recommend just getting a single card. Not a lot of games support SLI/Crossfire and there are so many compatibility issues so even though it's cheaper and it may be tempting, just stick with a single card. Just grab a 5850 or 5870 and you'll be fine.

As for the HDD, I'd suggest just grabbing 2 7200 RPM HDDs and running them in raid. I made the mistake of getting a 10,000 RPM HDD and wouldn't say it's worth the extra cost based on my experience. There are benchmarks out there you could look at as well.

If you're going to be doing any overclocking, I'd personally grab an i5-750 and a 5830 if you want DX11 stuff, or a gtx 275. Then again i'm pretty poor so i'd never spend more than 1k on a brand new computer when I can just overclock i to be just as good as the $1.6k computer. ;)



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#6 Mar 21 2010 at 1:59 PM Rating: Good
You can check out this link here for a benchmark comparison between a Radeon 5870 and a single gtx260. SLI/Crossfire typically yields about a 30% performance increase over a single card, so you can tack on 30% to the GTX scores to get an idea. (I know I've seen reviews comparing a 5870 to a GTX260 SLI setup, but I can't seem to find them right now.) Long story short, the 5870 will outperform 2 x GTX260 in a lot of scenarios and will be highly comparable in the rest.
#7 Mar 21 2010 at 2:00 PM Rating: Good
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Hard Drive: WD Raptor 10,000 RPM 150GB
-$159.99


Whoa, Whoa. Just grab 2 WD Caviar Black 1TB off of Newegg for $100 each. They're fast and reliable. You can use them in a RAID configuration if you really want to, but RAID is honestly a waste of money and effort for casual users, and should only really be implemented for server rigs that actually have significant need for it. Just make regular backups of your most essential files on the second drive, and keep an eye on the SMART values. Ideally you'll be wanting to do clean installs of W7 once a year. You are running W7 x64, correct?

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Video Card x2 SLI: GeForce GTX 260, Overclocked MAXCORE, 896mb, GDDR3
-$209.99 x2


Going to second the 5870 suggestion, crossfire and SLI can be a total headache to finetune.

Mobo looks good, RAM I usually perfer Corsair over OCZ, but that's a personal preference.

Power Supply is a great choice, don't change that. CPU cooler is a bit expensive for the performance, but quite effective. Tower seems overkill for that price. You could build a cheaper case and install your own fans, but probably at the risk of it looking a little less spiffy.


The rig you have here will run XIV without a problem, IMO. You could probably even go a few tiers lower and still run it without a problem.

Are you buying these parts off of Newegg? I would recommend them.



Edited, Mar 21st 2010 1:08pm by Kirbster

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#8 Mar 21 2010 at 2:01 PM Rating: Excellent
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Gezira wrote:
Hard Drive: WD Raptor 10,000 RPM 150GB
-$159.99
That's a very significant waste of money.
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#9 Mar 21 2010 at 2:32 PM Rating: Good
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I new it was a good idea to post this here, you all are giving me great feedback, thank you so much!

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You can check out this link here for a benchmark comparison between a Radeon 5870 and a single gtx260. SLI/Crossfire typically yields about a 30% performance increase over a single card, so you can tack on 30% to the GTX scores to get an idea. (I know I've seen reviews comparing a 5870 to a GTX260 SLI setup, but I can't seem to find them right now.) Long story short, the 5870 will outperform 2 x GTX260 in a lot of scenarios and will be highly comparable in the rest.


Thank you for detailing your tip like this, I have read some reviews on this 5870 card now and this is my new plan, especially considering this:

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Coming from a crossfire setup, I strongly recommend just getting a single card. Not a lot of games support SLI/Crossfire and there are so many compatibility issues so even though it's cheaper and it may be tempting, just stick with a single card. Just grab a 5850 or 5870 and you'll be fine.


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Going to second the 5870 suggestion, crossfire and SLI can be a total headache to finetune.


I am hoping for this to be as simply as it can be considering this is my first build.

Also, thank you all for pointing out the flaw regarding my HDD choice, I have done some reading now on Solid State Drives, I think my plan will be a 40gig SSD for OS and my game installs, and as recommended, a second larger and cheaper drive for basic storage.

I found this SSD to be well reviewed: Intel X25-V Solid State Drive 40GB.

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You are running W7 x64, correct?


Yes, I actually already have Win7 ULT x64 ready to install when the time comes. I just recently upgraded my current PC to Win7 and absolutely love it.

To Kirbster: If you could elaborate a bit on this:
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The rig you have here will run XIV without a problem, IMO. You could probably even go a few tiers lower and still run it without a problem.


The whole point of this system is for playing FFXIV (really well) and If I can achieve that goal for alot less money, that would be great. Any way I can cut the cost down would help.

Thanks again to you all!
#10 Mar 21 2010 at 2:49 PM Rating: Decent
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Gezira wrote:
Processor: Intel Core i7 920, 2.66ghz, LGA 1366, 8mb L3 Cache, Quad Core
-$279.99


If you have a MicroCenter near you, they sell them for $200 and you can pick the batch number from what they have.
#11 Mar 21 2010 at 2:54 PM Rating: Excellent
Gezira wrote:
I found this SSD to be well reviewed: Intel X25-V Solid State Drive 40GB.


You can scroll to near the bottom of this page to see an embedded youtube video of an unboxing of that drive. He does a fairly decent job of describing it and comparing it to other drives in the Intel lineup of SSD goodies.

The same guy did a direct comparison between an HD and an SSD in a youtube video you can view here.

A bunch of people whined that he did his comparison with a very good SSD and a very mediocre HD, so he did another one with a bottom tier SSD and a very good HD. (You may prefer this one because he's actually comparing to a WD Raptor 160GB @ 10,000 RPM) You can view that comparison here.
#12 Mar 21 2010 at 3:20 PM Rating: Decent
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In terms of gaming performance, the Core i7 920 is not great value.

Either go for a CPU with a slightly higher base clock speed of 2.8 - 3 GHz (I know there is TurboBoost, but faster base speeds mean the ability to run all four cores at higher speeds) or go for a Core i5 750, which runs at the same clock speed, has the same TurboBoost, but costs $100 less. Then, take that $100 and get a second HD so you can run the raid that other people above have suggested.

And on the topic of hard drives, 10k drives aren't what they used to be. You only get a 10-15% increase in average seek time over a 7200 RPM drive, but you get a lot less space for a lot more money. RAID 0 is a decent option for performance, but you have double the chance of hard drive failure (because if one drive dies, all your data is lost).

Personally, depending on your budget, I would either go with a single high-end 7200 RPM hard drive (WD Caviar Black is a great choice, it's what I use and I'm very happy), or go with an SSD and a 7200 RPM hard drive. 64-128 GB SSDs from Intel and Corsair now go for under $500 and will give you a huge boost in load times (0.1ms seek time vs ~12ms seek time from a 7200 RPM drive). Use the SSD for Windows and your most-played games, and use the 7200 RPM drive for everything else.

Also, I wouldn't worry too much about playing FFXIV at full throttle. Seeing as the game is going to be on PS3 as well, it is unlikely that it will take a top-of-the-line PC to achieve 60 FPS on max settings.

Good luck!
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#13 Mar 21 2010 at 3:30 PM Rating: Good
Jordster wrote:

In terms of gaming performance, the Core i7 920 is not great value.


I've been reading that an i7 920 D0 stepping quad core is still offering the best bang for buck for overclocking right now compared to i5s and higher 9xx series i7s. Rumor has it that Intel has begun phasing out the 920 series of i7s specifically because they're a bit too beefy in the overclocking potential department. I managed to snag myself one of my local retailers' last i7 920 D0 stepping CPUs this past week (in shipment...should be here tomorrow morning Smiley: yippee) and since I'll be cooling my rig under water I should have no difficulty OC'ing to 4.2ghz. If anything, chipset cooling will be the main issue I'll have to overcome to really push the limits, but I won't likely be pushing for a chipset water block until my next super sneaky project of lewl comes to fruition in a couple of months or so.
#14 Mar 21 2010 at 3:40 PM Rating: Decent
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Since we're on the topic, to avoid making a new thread, I was wondering what you thought of the following desktop...

http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/computer_can_series.do?storeName=computer_store&category=desktops&a1=Category&v1=High+performance&series_name=HPE180t_series&jumpid=in_R329_prodexp/hhoslp/psg/desktops/High_performance/HPE180t_series

I want to get a computer that can run FFXIV, but I don't have the knowledge to build my own. If I went with the Radeon 4850 or the GeForce GTX 260 offered as options would I be okay? I'm not looking to play anything other than FFXIV, Starcraft 2, and Diablo III when it eventually comes out. Don't bash me for being a computer-building noob!
#15 Mar 21 2010 at 3:54 PM Rating: Good
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Since we're on the topic, to avoid making a new thread, I was wondering what you thought of the following desktop...

http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/computer_can_series.do?storeName=computer_store&category=desktops&a1=Category&v1=High+performance&series_name=HPE180t_series&jumpid=in_R329_prodexp/hhoslp/psg/desktops/High_performance/HPE180t_series

I want to get a computer that can run FFXIV, but I don't have the knowledge to build my own. If I went with the Radeon 4850 or the GeForce GTX 260 offered as options would I be okay? I'm not looking to play anything other than FFXIV, Starcraft 2, and Diablo III when it eventually comes out. Don't bash me for being a computer-building noob!


I'm running with a Radeon 4850 right now and I'm not happy with it. It does the job, but it's prone to overheating and I could never justify the cost of an aftermarket GPU cooler. The overheating issue is likely a combination of that particular manufacturer's card (my current PC is a semi-custom prefab) as well as a case that is not suited to higher end performance (very little ventilation for cooling under air).

I wouldn't be critical of you for going with the unit you linked, but I think that with a little poking around you could source components for a better unit at a comparable price even after you pay someone $50 or so to assemble it for you. I agree with Jord that FFXIV isn't likely to require a total top-end system to get very nice results, but if you're going to be spending that kind of money it might be worth investing that bit of extra time to assemble something you're not only going to be happy with when it first comes out of the box but also something you'll be happy with a couple of years from now.
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This is the system im personally running and will use to play FF14 with. Depending on what grapiccards will be available on the market when FF14 hit retail I will buy a new one.

INTEL CORE I7 930 2.8GHZ 8MB S-1366 ( I have overclocked this and it runs atm stable @ 4.125 GHZ
INTEL X25-M 160GB 2.5# SSD SATA/300 MLC 34NM RETAIL ( 250 MB/s read and 110 MB/s write )
Noctua NH-D14 CPU Cooler
Corsair Dominator GT DDR3 1600MHz 6GB Kit w/3x 2GB XMS3 modules, CL7-7-7-20, for Core i7 (Due to overclocking the cpu I need to run the memories @ 1575 MHZ)
ASUS Rampage II Extreme, X58 Socket-1366, DDR3, ATX, SLI&CrossFireX, 3xPCI-Ex
XFX GeForce GTX 285 690M 1GB PhysX CUDA PCI-Express 2.0, "BLACK", 2xDVI, HDMI, HDCP, 690/2
Corsair Powersupply TX 850W 140mm fan, 4x PCI-E 8-pin
Antec Twelve Hundred Full Tower Case, Black with side window

This should be enough for FF14 I think ^^

Edited, Mar 21st 2010 6:14pm by Maldavian
#17 Mar 21 2010 at 5:35 PM Rating: Decent
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I think that what you listed would be a little overkill, but who really knows until the final product is released. I don't think that rig would have any issues running any of the current or near future games either. Someone mentioned the 5870 which I think is a very good choice. I too will be picking one of those up this summer. I don't really know anything about SSD's so I can't really comment on that.

I'm hoping with 2 minor upgrades my pc will be ok. I have:
XPS 410
1.8 core 2 duo
1.5 TB Seagate
9800GT
4 GB 1066 G.Skill (I think its 1066 anyhow)
650 w Ultra PS
W7 32

I hate Dell towers, but this pc is much better than my old one that baaaarley played 11. My dad gave it to me for free about a month ago, so I really can't complain. I'm hopefull that I can find a CPU that is compatible (Dell has a very short list of compatible CPU's for this Mobo). I found a Q6600 Quad 2.4 on ebay a while ago that ended for around $200, and a X6800 C2D 2.93 that sold for around the same price. I don't have any experience with a quad core CPU so I really don't know if it would out perform the X6800 duo or not. I'm assuming it would because it's 4 cores versus 2, but like I said, no personal experience with them. Anywho, I'm hoping with an upgraded CPU and a 5870 I'll be ok. /crosses fingers!
#18 Mar 21 2010 at 6:09 PM Rating: Good
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For all of you who are suggesting ATI over the 2x Nvidia GTX260s, there has been a new article released apparently, where the designers were interviewed as saying they are working very closely with Nvidia for FFXIV.

I don't know how much of a difference it will make in the end, the game being "optimised" for Nvidia, but there you go.

Also, to the OP, I noticed you said you don't know much about OCing and are not sure if you will ever do it, etc, but if you do, and I suggest you read up on it if you are going to get an i7 920 (I would recommend the new i7 930, same chip only a tiny bit faster, newer revisions, higher multiplier, etc for $10 more). I would also strongly recommend you get minimum an 850-1000w PSU if you plan on going crossfire or SLI. You will easily be able to OC that CPU by just changing a few numbers to 3.8-4+ghz just by reading a how to article that you can google up).
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#19 Mar 21 2010 at 6:18 PM Rating: Good
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EternalIllusion wrote:
Since we're on the topic, to avoid making a new thread, I was wondering what you thought of the following desktop...

http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/computer_can_series.do?storeName=computer_store&category=desktops&a1=Category&v1=High+performance&series_name=HPE180t_series&jumpid=in_R329_prodexp/hhoslp/psg/desktops/High_performance/HPE180t_series

I want to get a computer that can run FFXIV, but I don't have the knowledge to build my own. If I went with the Radeon 4850 or the GeForce GTX 260 offered as options would I be okay? I'm not looking to play anything other than FFXIV, Starcraft 2, and Diablo III when it eventually comes out. Don't bash me for being a computer-building noob!


I run a GTX 260 MaxCore OC (by BFG) and I'm very happy with the performance.

Lots of people posting in this thread are talking about overkill - like the guy with the GTX285 saying he's going to upgrade to a newer card when FFXIV comes out. FFXIV is NOT going to be a graphical bahamut behemoth. It's going to run more or less the same on PC as PS3, and a GTX260 is a lot more powerful than the PS3 GPU.

There is an interesting trend right now where graphics cards are moving ahead, but games have stagnated in terms of their demands. That's exactly why the almost-two-year-old GTX 260 is still one of nVidia's best sellers.
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#20 Mar 21 2010 at 6:36 PM Rating: Decent
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i'd price out a core i5 based system if you weren't going dual gpu's. Mobo's Processors and Ram kits are typically less expensive (the latter only if you are looking at a 32bit 4GB of RAM build and not a 64bit 8GB of RAM build).

As far as the hard drives are concerned I had a 150GB Velociraptor, it was definately a improvement over my 7200rpm drives but it will leave you a bit tight on space.

A WD black will give you more or less the same throughput at the expense of response time while giving you storage space as well. Of course if there was room in the budget you could always get a Intel X25-m SSD's 160GB.

I'd also just hold out until someone compares performance on Nvidia vs ATI stuff for FF14

Edited, Mar 21st 2010 8:37pm by Levish
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#21 Mar 21 2010 at 6:40 PM Rating: Good
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Gezira wrote:
Video Card x2 SLI: GeForce GTX 260, Overclocked MAXCORE, 896mb, GDDR3
-$209.99 x2

At this point you would be better off with the ATI 5870 ($380), NVIDIA GTX 470 ($350), or NVIDIA GTX 480 ($500). The recent article in NVISION magazine also seems to suggest FFXIV may very well end up being an NVIDIA TWIMTBP title, which could mean better performance on NVIDIA cards.

NDA for the new NVIDIA cards (GTX 470 & 480) should be ending this Friday, on the 26th. By Monday the 29th, there should be plenty of reviews to read and see how they compare to the ATI lineup. Everything is pointing to the ATI 5870 being a better price/performance value, but until we have some independent reviews on the NVIDIA cards, it's anybodies guess. Lots of FUD flying around recently.

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Power Supply: Corsair TX750 750 watt, 80Plus
-$109.99

To be safe, you'll probably want at least a 850W PSU is you ever plan to go SLI or Crossfire, but if you only go with a single card, the 750W will be fine.

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Hard Drive: WD Raptor 10,000 RPM 150GB
-$159.99

The Velociraptors are good as a speedy OS or program drives, but if you are going that route, DO NOT pay $159.99 for the 150GB when the 300GB sells for as low as $190 and is a much better value.

Even so, the Velociraptor VR200M, the next generation Raptor, is incoming soon, and prices are said to be half of what the current Velociraptors sell for (e.g. 600GB for $225, 450GB for $175, 300GB for $125, 150GB for $75???) with a 15% performance boost. I would take the wait and see approach on these, and see what the prices really end up being.

The premium option would be going for an Intel x25-M SSD which will offer a huge advantage over traditional hard drives, but the 80GB sells for ~$225 which makes the price/GB very expensive. Since you really should dedicate up to 40GB for a Windows 7 install, and up to 20GB for FFXIV, I wouldn't recommend an SSD smaller then 80GB or you will quickly feel the space crunch.

If you end up going with either a Velociraptor VR200M or Intel x25-M SSD, don't forget to also factor in an additional $75 (for 1TB HDD) or $150 (for 2TB HDD) for any additional storage needs.

#22 Mar 21 2010 at 7:10 PM Rating: Decent
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Why don't you just get a PS3, $299.99. I understand if u invest in a PC parts you might get a better look of FFXIV. However,I believe in the PS3 the game is going to look amazing still.
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Wait until Christmas and invest in a computer then, most of those parts will be half the price.

Had this discussion with a guy who sits next to me at work. I admire your willingness to want a good pc, but far too early to even consider it.
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For all of you who are suggesting ATI over the 2x Nvidia GTX260s, there has been a new article released apparently, where the designers were interviewed as saying they are working very closely with Nvidia for FFXIV.

I don't know how much of a difference it will make in the end, the game being "optimised" for Nvidia, but there you go.

Also, to the OP, I noticed you said you don't know much about OCing and are not sure if you will ever do it, etc, but if you do, and I suggest you read up on it if you are going to get an i7 920 (I would recommend the new i7 930, same chip only a tiny bit faster, newer revisions, higher multiplier, etc for $10 more). I would also strongly recommend you get minimum an 850-1000w PSU if you plan on going crossfire or SLI. You will easily be able to OC that CPU by just changing a few numbers to 3.8-4+ghz just by reading a how to article that you can google up).


Oh, forgot to mention, its been said that according to the article I mentioned above where the developers at SE said they were working closely with Nvidia, it looks like FFXIV may be able to utilise the 3D technology Nvidia is currently messing around with (with those glasses, etc).
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#25 Mar 21 2010 at 8:39 PM Rating: Decent
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Thanks for the replies to my question. Honestly I'd rather not have to pay for the GTX 260 and just get the Radeon 4850 but I guess I should also just.. wait haha. As much as I really just want to buy this desktop this summer it'd probably be smarter to wait till we have more solid recommended specs and prices might be cheaper too. Thanks all!
#26 Mar 21 2010 at 9:39 PM Rating: Decent
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Ok so after considering all of the great tips you have all given me, I've adjusted alot of my part choices, some of them clear upgrades, some of them downgrades(In price but not much in performance). This is what I have now, and this rig has shaved about $300.00 off of my previous.

Processor + RAM Bundle: Intel Core i5 750, 2.66ghz, Quad Core, 8mb cache, Bundled with Corsair Dominator PC10666 DDR3 1333mhz 2x2GB(4 GB Total)
-$299.99

RAM: Additional 2x2GB Corsair Dominator PC10666 DDR3 1333mhz
-$119.99

Video Card: GeForce GTX 285 OverClocked, 1GB, GDDR3
-$379.99

Motherboard: Asus P7P55D-E
-$159.99

Power Supply: Corsair TX750, 750WATT 80Plus
-$109.99

CPU Cooler: ZEROtherm Core92 CPU Cooler
-$29.99

Case: Cooler Master CM690 Nvidia Edition(I like green lol)
-$69.99

HDD: Intel X25-M SATA Solid State Drive
-$229.99

About $1,300.00 total. Switched it to a Core i5 socket LGA1156, x64 8 GB Ram build as was recommended, and I'm gonna do some light overclocking to make up for the downgrade from the i7 processor. How does this look now?


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Why don't you just get a PS3, $299.99. I understand if u invest in a PC parts you might get a better look of FFXIV. However,I believe in the PS3 the game is going to look amazing still.


Ya I could do this but I much prefer playing on the PC, access to everything all in one unit, on one screen, alt tab ftw.

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Wait until Christmas and invest in a computer then, most of those parts will be half the price.

Had this discussion with a guy who sits next to me at work. I admire your willingness to want a good pc, but far too early to even consider it.


This is smart for sure but I'm going to want this built long before the fall holiday season starts to gear up.

Thanks again everyone ^^
#27 Mar 21 2010 at 9:48 PM Rating: Good
I would still highly recommend a Radeon 5870 over anything nVidia right now. For the difference in price you'd most likely be much happier with a DX11 compatible card. nVidia has blown it in terms of DX11 support for this generation. They're just now getting ready to launch their first string of DX11 cards which are going to be in short supply (and thus, most likely a fair bit more expensive than their current recommended MSRP) and in a year, Radeon is going to be releasing their second generation DX11 cards. Games optimized for nVidia cards do see a performance improvement over those that offer otherwise the same supported video features, but it's not so substantial that I'd want to save $40 and get a card one step behind the current generation. DX10 was a flop. DX11 has promise, but it hasn't been around for so long now that game developers have had a chance to really dig in and take advantage of it. That will change.

Ultimately, the choice is obviously yours but for > $1000, I think you'll be kicking yourself a year from now if you decide to use your new rig for something beyond FFXIV only to find that your experience in another game would have been better if you had just spent an extra few bucks when you had the chance.
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I didn't read all these other posts but I'm just going to tell you what's up..

First, 2X GTX260 is a very bad idea and you're wasting money. Get a 5870 or something like that. Don't pay extra for stupid things like OVERCLOCKED XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX. Save the money and get an aftermarket aircooler for it or something.

Second, the hard drive is way too small... way too small, and you'll get much better performance/cost by just getting a 7200rpm one for half the price and 5x the size.

Third, the case... I would never spend that amount on a case, especially a cooler master. Full towers are absolutely gigantic. If you really want to blow money on a case, get a lian-li. I'd go for the Cooler Master 690 if you want a good case that doesn't cost ridiculous amounts.

Fourth, $40 DVD drive? Get a $25 one from light-on or LG... more expensive isn't better.


You didn't include a monitor or keyboard + mouse with this and considering some of the choices you made, I'm doubtful you already have a gaming setup so you'll definitely want to factor in at least $300 for those.


Just as a final tip... with computer products you pay a lot more for a little gain. I really don't think you're going to notice the difference between a raptor and a standard 7200rpm. And SLI-ing 260s... yeah, no. Just don't do that. You could build a computer for gaming that's a **** of a lot cheaper than that and will work pretty well.

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Well, I just read through the posts and let me say this sounds like a terrible idea. You seem to be mashing together budget and performance but it's not quite working right. You want to play an MMORPG. You do not need an SSD for this. If $1600 is way over your budget, an SSD is just being wasteful. You're building a first system (?) don't pour money into bleeding edge hardware and things designed for overclockers.

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#29 Mar 21 2010 at 11:02 PM Rating: Good
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I didn't read all these other posts but I'm just going to tell you what's up..

First, 2X GTX260 is a very bad idea and you're wasting money. Get a 5870 or something like that. Don't pay extra for stupid things like OVERCLOCKED XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX. Save the money and get an aftermarket aircooler for it or something.


My XFX Radeon 5870 XXX should be arriving Tuesday. I only paid $8 more for it than I would have wound up paying for the vanilla XFX 5870. Would it have been worth the $50 difference if I hadn't been a savvy consumer? Prolly not. Worth the $8 difference? Sure, why not? ;D
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Like I said before, if you're willing to spend that much on a HDD, just get two Caviar Blacks 1TB drives. For what you're doing, you will not even be able to tell the difference.

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For the difference in price you'd most likely be much happier with a DX11 compatible card.

I agree with AureliusSir that you should buy a DX11 card. No matter if you go with a ATI 5850, NVIDIA GTX 470, ATI 5870, or NVIDIA GTX 480, I would expect all should run FFXIV quite well at 1920x1200.

If going the NVIDIA route, you would also be crazy to buy a GTX 285 today for $380, when the new GTX 470 is expected to perform better for only $350.

AureliusSir the Mundane wrote:
nVidia has blown it in terms of DX11 support for this generation.


I disagree, since NVIDIA being late doesn't matter at all for people who have yet to build their new PC, like the OP. If NVIDIA delivers with performance and outperforms ATI significantly in DX11-heavy titles and at least marginally in all other games, they haven't blown anything this generation. Not to mention there are what, six DX11 games available, four of which were only released in the past couple months, and one that just had DX11 support tacked on. Sometime in 2011 should be when DX11 really begins to show off what it's capable of.

AureliusSir the Mundane wrote:
They're just now getting ready to launch their first string of DX11 cards which are going to be in short supply (and thus, most likely a fair bit more expensive than their current recommended MSRP) and in a year, Radeon is going to be releasing their second generation DX11 cards.


To be fair, ATI's 5000 series cards still being sold for way over MSRP even today. That said, the ATI 5000 series cards will likely continue selling over MSRP until Fermi's honeymoon period ends and its price also drops back down to MSRP bringing with it a little bit of competition.

ATI releasing their second generation in a year doesn't really matter much either. In a shorter time-frame, ATI will likely come out with a 5890 with higher clocks to match or beat the GTX 480, and NVIDIA will likely release an ungimped GTX 485 with full 512 shaders and higher clocks to match or beat the 5890.

Next year when ATI releases their next-gen 28nm card, NVIDIA should also have their own 28nm Fermi shrink and likely a dual-gpu card out which should be competitive with ATI's high-end next-gen.
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Like I said before, if you're willing to spend that much on a HDD, just get two Caviar Blacks 1TB drives. For what you're doing, you will not even be able to tell the difference.

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#33 Mar 21 2010 at 11:25 PM Rating: Good
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I disagree, since NVIDIA being late doesn't matter at all for people who have yet to build their new PC, like the OP. If NVIDIA delivers with performance and outperforms ATI significantly in DX11-heavy titles and at least marginally in all other games, they haven't blown anything this generation. Not to mention there are what, six DX11 games available, four of which were only released in the past couple months, and one that just had DX11 support tacked on. Sometime in 2011 should be when DX11 really begins to show off what it's capable of.


The reason I say they've blown it is because ATI's 6000 series cards are slated for production as early as late Q4 this year. That only gives nVidia 8-9 months to get a foothold with cards that are going to be substantially more expensive in a market where ATI can now afford to undercut the **** out of them and maintain a stranglehold on the performance/value ratio. Everything I've read has suggested that the reason nVidia is so late on the scene is because they finally came up with a chipset that works the way they want it to but production yields are absolutely horrible. That's going to keep supply way down for the first while which will force the price up well above the MSRP. Yes, ATI cards are also above their original MSRP but again, ATI has already been making money with their DX11 cards...they can afford to take a more competitive stance. By the time nVidia gets their production tweaked to increase the supply and reduce their prices, they're going to be competing with ATI's 6000 series. And when the 6000 series goes into production, the price of the 5000 series is only going to go down. I'm not sure how far along nVidia might be with their next generation of GPUs after Fermi, but my sense is that they've spent so much time on Fermi that they're way, way behind.

I have nothing against nVidia, I just think that their difficulties with first generation DX11 cards have cost them a huge chunk of their market. Normally, a company that found themselves in nVidia's situation would adjust their price to get more units into the hands of their consumers and regain some market share, but it's questionable whether or not nVidia is going to be in a position to do that.

And, of course, when it comes to FFXIV it's all just gilding the lily. First generation DX11 cards might offer more detailed shadows and possibly some refined textural elements over their predecessors, but at the end of the day it's not going to be a Pong vs. Crysis comparison. I'm still hoping that sometime in the first couple of years of FFXIV's lifespan that SE will patch for DX11 support, but I think that's a bit of wishful thinking on my part.
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The reason I say they've blown it is because ATI's 6000 series cards are slated for production as early as late Q4 this year. That only gives nVidia 8-9 months to get a foothold with cards that are going to be substantially more expensive in a market where ATI can now afford to undercut the **** out of them and maintain a stranglehold on the performance/value ratio. Everything I've read has suggested that the reason nVidia is so late on the scene is because they finally came up with a chipset that works the way they want it to but production yields are absolutely horrible. That's going to keep supply way down for the first while which will force the price up well above the MSRP. Yes, ATI cards are also above their original MSRP but again, ATI has already been making money with their DX11 cards...they can afford to take a more competitive stance. By the time nVidia gets their production tweaked to increase the supply and reduce their prices, they're going to be competing with ATI's 6000 series. And when the 6000 series goes into production, the price of the 5000 series is only going to go down. I'm not sure how far along nVidia might be with their next generation of GPUs after Fermi, but my sense is that they've spent so much time on Fermi that they're way, way behind.


This is exactly why I've been taking the wait and see approach myself. Even though I plan to build my own new beast of a computer in late summer, there are just too many unknowns at the moment in the GPU arena. Depending on how things turn out in the coming months, we all may be better off waiting for 28nm cards or refreshes from both ATI and NVIDIA.



How will Fermi perform?
Only a week left and a lot of questions will be answered.



Will ATI drop prices or keep prices as is to earn much needed profit?

While ATI can afford to drop prices, you can bet they are loving the nice profit margins they are making off the 5000 series currently.



Will ATI release a 28nm 6000 series GPU in Q4?
Will NVIDIA release a 28nm Fermi in Q4?

Both GLOBALFOUNDRIES and TSMC are rumored to have initial 28nm capacity ready in Q4. A 28nm Fermi could be very deadly if it solves all its yield, power, clock, and performance issues it is suffering from at 40nm. Since the 28nm part from ATI will be an entirely new architecture, it should be no slouch either.



In summary, now is a horrible time to buy. If you can wait until as close as possible to FFXIV release date to make your purchase, do so. If you have a PC decent enough to wait even longer until Q1 2011, do so. By the end of the year competition should really begin to heat up, and prices should get even better, especially on ATI cards.
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you can play the waiting game ad infinitum. I would way until someone figures out what brand of cards plays FF14 better though and see if 470/480gtx or 5870 is the better buy since we are only talking about a few more weeks to a month.
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you can play the waiting game ad infinitum.

Yet at this point in time, if you are building a new PC mainly because of FFXIV, there is really no reason to pay today's GPU prices when they may be so much better in ~6 months around FFXIV release. For anybody who truly needs to upgrade their PC just in order to play FFXIV, there is really no risk of waiting ad infinitum because if you did, you would have nothing to play FFXIV with on release day. Just keep you eye out for good deals in the coming months, no need to rush yourself.

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I would way until someone figures out what brand of cards plays FF14 better though and see if 470/480gtx or 5870 is the better buy since we are only talking about a few more weeks to a month.

If you are the type of person who upgrade often (every 6-12 months), buying as soon as you find out which is better, like you said, would be the best course of action. If such people don't already own a ATI 5000 series GPU, they must have been waiting to see how Fermi would turn out, and will make their decision on what to purchase in the coming weeks.

If you are the type of person who upgrades semi-infrequently (every 24-36 months) and you already own a quad-core processor and a ~$150+ GPU from the past few years, upgrading would really already be a want rather than a need since you could likely already play FFXIV decently. If FFXIV releases in November 2010, and a new GPU releases in say February 2011, waiting until then is a viable option for these people.

If you are the type of person who upgrades very infrequently (every 48-60+ months), and are still playing FFXI on an old PC which may not even meet the min specs of FFXIV, the longest you could wait would be FFXIV release day, as I stated above, but you could easily wait until around then to make your purchase.
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Great feedback=) Considering these comments:

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I would still highly recommend a Radeon 5870 over anything nVidia right now.

Ultimately, the choice is obviously yours but for > $1000, I think you'll be kicking yourself a year from now if you decide to use your new rig for something beyond FFXIV only to find that your experience in another game would have been better if you had just spent an extra few bucks when you had the chance.


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I agree with AureliusSir that you should buy a DX11 card. No matter if you go with a ATI 5850, NVIDIA GTX 470, ATI 5870, or NVIDIA GTX 480, I would expect all should run FFXIV quite well at 1920x1200.

If going the NVIDIA route, you would also be crazy to buy a GTX 285 today for $380, when the new GTX 470 is expected to perform better for only $350.



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This is exactly why I've been taking the wait and see approach myself. Even though I plan to build my own new beast of a computer in late summer, there are just too many unknowns at the moment in the GPU arena. Depending on how things turn out in the coming months, we all may be better off waiting for 28nm cards or refreshes from both ATI and NVIDIA.


Definitely going to make the GPU the last item I buy for this rig, my intention was to buy the parts slowly over the next few months anyways, so this works out well, also I will narrow my search down to the available DX11 cards at the time I buy. Great feedback thank you!

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First, 2X GTX260 is a very bad idea and you're wasting money. Get a 5870 or something like that. Don't pay extra for stupid things like OVERCLOCKED XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX. Save the money and get an aftermarket aircooler for it or something.

Second, the hard drive is way too small... way too small, and you'll get much better performance/cost by just getting a 7200rpm one for half the price and 5x the size.

Third, the case... I would never spend that amount on a case, especially a cooler master. Full towers are absolutely gigantic. If you really want to blow money on a case, get a lian-li. I'd go for the Cooler Master 690 if you want a good case that doesn't cost ridiculous amounts.

Fourth, $40 DVD drive? Get a $25 one from light-on or LG... more expensive isn't better.


Great feedback thank you, I think that I have made adjustments to most these parts already though, In my second build that I based on the feedback I received, I had actually chosen the exact case you recommend^^

As for the SSD HDD, I was really impressed with their loading speeds as displayed by the review video that AureliusSir provided me with. I guess I am being silly with my money by choosing that frivolous piece of hardware. I will adjust my build choice of HDD to the Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB and save myself the $150.00! (Thanks to Kirbster on that one, I looked up the drives and am quite happy with what I've read).

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You didn't include a monitor or keyboard + mouse with this and considering some of the choices you made, I'm doubtful you already have a gaming setup so you'll definitely want to factor in at least $300 for those.


Omission by design. These are actually the nicest parts that I already own, I have a 25.5" Samsung ToC LCD Monitor 1080p on my work and play PCs, I really love those monitors. For the keyboard I have a Logitech gaming keyboard, though I may replace it before XIV is released, If I do it will be logitech again, I really love this KB.




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If you are the type of person who upgrades semi-infrequently (every 24-36 months) and you already own a quad-core processor and a ~$150+ GPU from the past few years, upgrading would really already be a want rather than a need since you could likely already play FFXIV decently. If FFXIV releases in November 2010, and a new GPU releases in say February 2011, waiting until then is a viable option for these people.


I own a ~150$ GPU from the past few years (4890) and I can't really play things as well as I'd like.

That being said if FF14 is a great game I will likely end up getting either a 5970 or maybe a dual 470GTX setup, whichever runs better (if any, if SLI or Crossfire = teh suck on FF14 then whatever is the best single gpu solution) :p
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The game is going to be designed to work on the PS3, which is easily capable of using a wireless mouse and keyboard setup. Personally, for FFXI I enjoyed using the controller much more than the mouse.

If FFXIV is the only game you care about, and you are low on cash, just buy a PS3 and save yourself $1,200.

The game is still half a year away from being released, at least, and prices drop like crazy over that time. If you start now and finish in 6th months you'll have wasted a good amount of money as the price for the items you purchased first will have dropped.

Now, you said you wanted a new gaming PC, and I fully understand that, but you shouldn't base your decisions off of FFXIV. Buy what is right for you, not what is right for FFXIV.

I'd seriously consider just saving the money and then buying all together in order to protect yourself against price drops. The best advice I've learned about money is don't buy something if you can't afford it, be patient until you can afford it. In the end, you'll come out ahead.
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You say you aren't rich but you're willing to pay for a top-of-the-line PC which really isn't necessary, since you seem to be only making it for FFXIV and that doesn't require a PC that good. If you go a tier or two down you can save a bunch of money and still play FFXIV decently if not great.

A computer like this would only cost you less than half of what you were going to pay and would probably play FFXIV decently. The x2 555 has 2 extra cores that can be unlocked to turn it into a triple/quad core processor, but if the extra cores are bad then you'd still have a very fast dual core. The 5770 is the best bang for the buck in terms of GPU at the moment, so this build is a good crux on price/performance.

In my opinion, you should either just wait till a month or two before FFXIV comes out and start looking for good deals on what now is very high end, or if you want a PC now just go a few tiers lower and get something like this.
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While the game isn't going to require a high-end machine to play, it will probably look a lot better. We'll know more as beta details come out.

That being said, you have many months until release rolls around, I would say it's safe to wait until around Thanksgiving to start building a machine. The same hardware you listed now will be cheaper, and if you're willing can maybe even cash in on some Black Friday deals and steals. Or if you're not concerned about costs, new hardware will likely be around the same price of what's on your list.

My only input would be I agree with the RAID statement, but you might also consider RAID 1 to have a backup drive readily available. That, and I tend to stick to Asus or Gigabyte motherboards.. cheaper brand motherboards have had a tendency to fail on me or not run as smooth as they should. Intel makes some pretty decent motherboards too.
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A computer like this would only cost you less than half of what you were going to pay and would probably play FFXIV decently. The x2 555 has 2 extra cores that can be unlocked to turn it into a triple/quad core processor, but if the extra cores are bad then you'd still have a very fast dual core. The 5770 is the best bang for the buck in terms of GPU at the moment, so this build is a good crux on price/performance.


Thank you very much for setting up this build for me to see...

I hadn't really set out to try to make an ultra high end PC, I just wanted to make sure I have a PC ready thats gonna play XIV at max settings with high frame rates. I've always used somewhat bare minimum rigs to play PC games so I haven't had a great experience yet with graphics. I probably went overboard with my part selections because I'm worried I'll end up playing with crap settings again.

Now If your saying a rig in this price point would do the job; that makes me very happy;, and I am in your debt. I will do my research on that processor, and look into the other parts a bit more.

And btw, this is my current set up that I am used to, and played FFXI, Oblivion, and Fallout 3 on for a while (with crappy settings mind you).

-Compaq Presario FK587AAR-ABA SR5605F
-32-bit Windows 7 Ultimate (Just upgraded, played FFXI with Vista Installed)
-AMD Athlon LE-1640 2.7ghz Single Core
-1GB Ram (the stock crap ram)
-NVIDIA GeForce 8500 GT 1GB DX10
-250GB HDD
-200Watt PSU
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Hey, I'm back. I looked around on Newegg at their desktops in the 1000$-1500$ range and I had some questions...

I was primarily looking at these two, as I'd rather spend in the low/mid areas of that price range.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883229176

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883147038

Firstly the HP seems to be cheaper here than on hp.com. Anyway, to my not-too-experienced eyes, the cyberpower PC looks better. It seems to have less RAM and doesn't look like it has a wireless card, but strength-wise it SEEMS the better deal to me. Then again, there's only one consumer review up on newegg and as a pretty mainstream Dell/HP guy, I've never heard of CyberPower. What do you guys think?
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According to this
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-5770,2446.html
the 260GTX and the 5770 are fairly comparable in performance, looks like the 5770 edges out the 260GTX every now and then.

the HP has
9GB of RAM vs 6GB
Wirelss in addition to Ethernet

Only downside is the 920 vs 930 processor

Its up to you really, I guess the cyberpower if you want the most FPS for your $

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Love the thread. I built my PC 3 years ago now and will be building a new one in the fall for XIV. Thing is I haven't looked at hardware in 3 years so I'm completely out of the loop. Will keep an eye on this thread.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhYYx9ckR4Y
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Well I'm just speaking on if you want a computer now. By the time FFXIV comes out you should either upgrade to a 5850/5870 or get another 5770 and crossfire. But like the other posters had said, with ATi nearly dominating the gpu market it's a bad time to buy the higher end stuff. With the 6000 series getting ready to launch as well as nVidia stepping it up with their new cards the 5000 series will go down in price, and at that time would be a better time to buy.
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I only read the OP, so maybe you have already bought parts, maybe not. Anyway, I was in the same boat. I had a horrible computer and very little money. I ended up buying parts over time. I have no bias for/against AMD/Intel or ATI/nVidia. I've used several different parts from all four manufacturers, and I looked at both intel/amd ati/nvidia setups. The machine I built runs at 1920x1080 resolution, 60mhz refresh rate. I play:

CoD Modern Warfare 2
Battlefield Bad Company 2
Grand Theft Auto 4 (no AA available)
Need For Speed Shift (8x AA)
Farcry 2
Fallout 3
Rainbow Six: Vegas 2
Unreal Tournament 3

at maximum quality. They are all at 4x Box AA except where noted, and UT3 I don't think supports AA. All at 8x AF. Farcry 2 frames occasionally dip into the mid 30s with DX10 (it has the option to use DX9 or 10).

Games I can't play at max settings (but very close to max):
Microsoft Flight Simulator X
Everquest 2

I also use Maya 10 and get respectable rendering time for a home PC.

The simplest way to save money is to go with AMD and ATI. Ultimately this is what I had to do. I wanted an i7 machine with triple channel RAM and a GTX285... but it just cost too much for me. Don't waste your money on an overclocked "lolextreme edition" video card. You can easily OC it yourself. CPU stock heat sink is almost always sufficient unless you plan to give your cpu a decent OC. I know the Phenom II heat sink is good for stock cpu frequency. Has heat pipes and a solid fan.

AMD Phenom II 3.2ghz x4 socket AM3 B.E.
Asus M4A79T Deluxe
Gigabyte HD 4890 (not on newegg anymore) 256-bit 1GB OC to 950mhz gpu, 1100mhz VRAM || $200 card out-performs ATI 128-bit 5000 series DX11 cards.
4 gigs Mushkin 1600mhz ddr3 (my mobo doesn't support 1600mhz if you use more than 2 dimms)
1TB WD Caviar Black 32MB cache 7200 RPM
Same PSU... Corsair 750 watts

I already had a sound card, case, dvd r/w. It's not cutting edge, but it's not $1,600 either. It is pretty beast and I'm perfectly happy with it. I don't wish I had gotten something else. Load and install times with my single 1TB hard drive are just fine. CPU has never been stressed no matter what I'm doing.

Google, benchmarks, and reviews are your friend. I got my parts from newegg, but check out Tiger Direct too. Sometimes they have different stuff/combo deals.

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#50 Mar 29 2010 at 12:10 AM Rating: Good
Today I learned why you really should keep your computer case closed up so this thread is interesting to me, as I'll probably have to buy at least a few parts after I dry everything out tomorrow. ; ;
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G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F3-10600CL9D-4GBPK - Retail 105

Intel Core i5-650 Clarkdale 3.2GHz 4MB L3 Cache LGA 1156 73W Dual-Core Desktop Processor - Retail 185

Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive 75

BFG Tech BFGEGTX275896OCE GeForce GTX 275 896MB 448-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card - Retail 260

Sunbeam PSU-ECO750-US-BL 750W ATX12V 2.3 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply - OEM 65

Rosewill R220-P-BK Black SECC Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail 30

LITE-ON Black 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 12X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA 24X DVD Writer LightScribe Support - Retail 32
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$872, no tax or shipping included/ from Newegg.

If I were building a new computer for myself I'd probably get the above. It will be easily upgradeable to an i7. I can go up to 16GB of ram. SSD for the future. I don't see how this computer wouldn't run FF14 at high or near high settings well.
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