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#1 Mar 28 2010 at 10:42 AM Rating: Good
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So, I went to see Alice in 3D a couple of days ago. It was the first time I actually saw a 3D movie since like 5th grade when I went to Disney World and saw the muppets show there (Which btw as awesome!).

Anyway, I liked the 3D that was used in Alice. My eyes got a bit strained at a few points in the movie (For example when you "zoom in" on the large water droplet), but overall I thought it was a really pleasant experience. Considering this is more or less the start of the "3D-era" or "3D-fad", depending on how you see it I guess, I think it worked really well. Was a bit different than what I had expected, but I walked away happy.

So today I was talking about it with a friend, and we got into the whole "games and 3D" discussion and I immidietly started thinking about FFXIV. I am not sure how much SE actually has to do to make it a pleasant experience, considering WoW can be seen in 3D and from what I hear it works pretty well, and I don't know how much they did to support this. Either way, what do you guys think, is 3D something SE will try to make sure that it works well etc, and will they take it into consideration, or will it simply be something I will have to "force" on to the game even thought it is not something they will "support" (To w/e extent 3D can or cannot be supported by the game itself).

Personally I would love to see as much support as possible for a good 3D experience with XIV. I could definately see myself getting a new computer screen or new TV for this, if it works well. It just seems like the next step towards even better immersion and with the new 3DS and other games looking into 3D, it would be cool if the next gen mmo's did the same. Especially one as beautiful as FFXIV.
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Personally, I hate 3-D, gives me a headache every time. That and after that whole post Avatar release Emo-3DGlasses-OMGwishiwuzinthatworld incident, I'll pass.
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#3insanekangaroo, Posted: Mar 28 2010 at 11:05 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) SE wont consider 3D at all. The technology is not yet ready for mainstream use.
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I'm sure you can do it if you wanted not too sure how it will look or if its supported but could be worth a try if that's what you really want.

As far as future 3D gaming I can see it in the very near future. At my last job we watched a demo video from mitsubishi on a new tv we were getting in the store, and 3D was one of its biggest features and they wanted to target "the gamer" as they put it, and in this demo alone it also showed a picture of Xbox 3D core system that made me cream my pants. Kinda looked a bit bulky tho, kinda reminded me a little of the gamecube.
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#5 Mar 28 2010 at 12:07 PM Rating: Decent
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insanekangaroo wrote:
SE wont consider 3D at all. The technology is not yet ready for mainstream use.


I am not sure what you mean. Just Cause 2 seems to fully support 3D. Also in this article:

http://uk.playstation.com/games-media/news/articles/detail/item260428/The-People-vs-Final-Fantasy-XIII/

the producers of FFXIII talk about wanting to make a 3D version of the game, if it is possible. I don't really see how the 3D technology is not ready for mainstream use considering how so many movie theaters have already set up a 3D system, 3D TVs already being released and several games being released with the techology. Not to mention new gaming systems like the 3DS which seems to actually have a focus on 3D (Although it seems to be based on angles, making it possible to turn the console and thus look around objects etc).

Now, SE might feel that 3D is not something they want to put resources towards when it comes to a game like FFXIV, because 3D still is rather "new" and is not something the audience require(Yet?). We all know mmo- get one chance to impress people at release and that this can make or break the game(AoC comes to mind as a prime example of this), and maybe they prioratize other things than 3D, but I doubt it is because they feel the technology is not ready for mainstream use.

If they don't consider it as important enough (Which I can understand) to focus on for release, I hope at least it is something they consider for the future. I am of course talking more of the movie-type 3D than things like the 3DS' 3D. I think that might be in the far future, where mmo- actually take advantage of being able to actually move your head to see deeper in on the sides or w/e.

Just to show you what I mean, since my explanation seems a bit... bad lol:

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=240047
#6 Mar 28 2010 at 12:19 PM Rating: Excellent
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Most games can take adavantage of 3D with a small patch, they are already in 3D to begin with anyway, lets not confuse this with the same 3D that they use in the cinema either, it uses shutter technology with expensive glasses and 120 hz TV's/monitors.

Nvidia 3D Vision has been around for quite a while now and works well, although the glasses can cost between £150-300 a set.

I think there was an article confirmeing that SE will be taking advantage of Nvidia Vision in the latest Nvidia magazine, not sure if it that includes the PS3 though.

Edited, Mar 28th 2010 2:31pm by Diakar
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Personally, I hate 3-D, gives me a headache every time.


This.

I think that the 3D trend started with Avatar is just to "fresh." Personally, i would wait until this technology gets into a mature stage before trying it on video games.
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#8 Mar 28 2010 at 12:26 PM Rating: Decent
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3D is just annoying to me. I am supposed to be playing a game that stays in a screen, not random creatures jumping out at me. Either way I don't see FFXIV using it ever.
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Nvidia 3D Vision has been around for quite a while now and works well, although the glasses can cost between £150-300 a set.

I think there was an article confirmeing that SE will be taking advantage of Nvidia Vision in the latest Nvidia magazine, not sure if it that includes the PS3 though.



Yeah I have to admit I am far from an expert so I am not sure what the difference is.

I actually bought 2 pair of glasses (For me and my brother) like that a few years back when I was playing Americas Army and they announced that it could now be played in 3D. Funny thing was I didn't know it required a 120hz screen(which I didn't have, and wasn't planning on getting anytime soon) and ended up just throwing away the glasses after having them lie in a box for a year or so. Considering how many games are starting to support this maybe it was a bad move heh.

Hope they introduce this "small patch" then, if it really is that simple I can't say I see any problem at all with letting those of us who want it play FFXIV in 3D. Seems like PS3 is having(has had?) a firmware update that makes it possible to use 3D on it, so sounds like it should be possible there too.

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Aside from similar issues with headaches and eye strain when watching 3D movies, I have some philosophical concerns with it... but more from a "where the technology will go" stand point. Something that's always been talked about is the idea of virtual reality and 3D to me is just a step closer to that. Between TV, video games, movies, etc., I think people spend more than enough time escaping reality and finding ways not to have to deal with life or the real world (don't get me wrong - I enjoy many of those media types for that exact reason, though in moderation) that 3D television and subsequent technology that will inevitably stem and/or branch out from that, is only going to encourage more people to become less involved in "reality" when what we truly need as a society is totally the opposite.
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It was confirmed in the Nvidia Magazine article that they're working on 3D support.

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Some of those enhancements will come courtesy of close working relationship between nvidia and the Square-Enix engineers and art department to optimize the vast environments and detailed characters for nvidia GPUs. And you heard it here first: Square Enix is also investigating options to incorporate 3D Vision support.

I haven't bought a new graphics card in years, but it was my understanding that Nvidia drivers could force 3D support in any game. I'm not sure what the difference is between that and games designed to support it, but I guess there must be one.
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I have to admit, I know very little about the way that 3D graphics cards and 3D games work currently. However, I do know a moderate amount about the way 2D cards work, and it seems to me that making a game 3D is merely a matter of slightly altering the Geometry pipeline so that it renders the 2D image as a polarized blending of the two 2D images that make up a 3D image, rather than the extrapolated 2D image that "looks" like the 3D world.

Basically, the graphics card stores the game world in 3D in the video ram, then it runs it though the Geometry pipeline, which takes the 3D world, and turns it into a 2D image that approximates it. Since all games function on this same basic premise, it seems to me that it would be incredibly easy to just change the Geometry pipeline slightly so instead of changing the 3D world in the video ram into a 2D image, it changes it into two 2D images that are either blended (for rgb and polarized 3D types) or alternated (for shutter type 3d).

You wouldn't even need to really change the game at all, just the way the GPU handles the game. But I'm afraid I have been rather tangental to the subject. I think the 3D era of video entertainment is long overdue, but I'm not sure MMOs are ready for the change-over yet. I would not be dissatisfied with FFXIV being 3D, but at the same time, I would probably not take advantage of it, since I do not have the money at the moment to get the requisite equipment.
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Wow, some really cool info here. Seems like I will be able to play XIV in 3D then!

I have to say though, I am a bit surprised that there are so many that are negative to 3D. Me and my friends are all really hyped about it, and think it is really fun that we are taking, what is probably, one step closer to virtual reality etc. Not that I don't understand people being negative, and their points, I am just surprised because I thought there would be more positive responses to 3D than negative.
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I have to admit, I know very little about the way that 3D graphics cards and 3D games work currently. However, I do know a moderate amount about the way 2D cards work, and it seems to me that making a game 3D is merely a matter of slightly altering the Geometry pipeline so that it renders the 2D image as a polarized blending of the two 2D images that make up a 3D image, rather than the extrapolated 2D image that "looks" like the 3D world.

Basically, the graphics card stores the game world in 3D in the video ram, then it runs it though the Geometry pipeline, which takes the 3D world, and turns it into a 2D image that approximates it. Since all games function on this same basic premise, it seems to me that it would be incredibly easy to just change the Geometry pipeline slightly so instead of changing the 3D world in the video ram into a 2D image, it changes it into two 2D images that are either blended (for rgb and polarized 3D types) or alternated (for shutter type 3d).

You wouldn't even need to really change the game at all, just the way the GPU handles the game. But I'm afraid I have been rather tangental to the subject. I think the 3D era of video entertainment is long overdue, but I'm not sure MMOs are ready for the change-over yet. I would not be dissatisfied with FFXIV being 3D, but at the same time, I would probably not take advantage of it, since I do not have the money at the moment to get the requisite equipment.


Kind of correct, this would produce a pusedo 3D effect, for a real 3D effect you would have to rendered the 2 images from a slightly different perspectives, the only thing perhaps holding it back is the GPU's power to do it efficently, for example say FF14 runs at fixed 30 fps you would have to supply a 60 fps images to maintain a stable non flicker image and each frame would alternate between the two perspectives one is shuttered out by one eye and vice versa, the glasses are then synced to the frames which are being displayed.

Ideally the games need to run at 60 fps, I'm not really sure what effect framerate drops would have on the 3D effect.
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As someone that has the Nvidia 3D vision kit I look forward to this, they have all but confirmed 3D will be a feature for the PC release :). And yeah the 3D works with basically any game that renders a game primarily through the GPU, unfortunately since the PC version of FFXI is essentially an emulation of the PS2 release, it really doesn't use the GPU for rendering much and consequently FFXI can't run on the Nvidia 3D system :(. 3D works for a variety of new games and the depth can be adjusted significantly to fit your taste. You don't need things "flying" at you all the time, it could just be a slight perception of depth. If you work with the depth, there should be NO reason this tech gives you a headache, absolutely zero reason unless you get headaches constantly from staring at things in real life.

You need a monitor or tv capable of both outputting at and accepting signals at 120hz (Big difference since most '120'hz tvs aren't really 120hz since it only functions at 120 but doesn't accept inputs at 120), these are fairly expensive but the prices are coming down. The size of the screen might be an issue for some since most of the monitors only have a size of about 23" or lower. Its also extremely niche, not just because you have to wear glasses for it, but each pair of Nvidia glasses costs $150 and the starter kit is 200 which gives you IR receptor and a single pair of glasses. All Mitsubishi DLP diamond line TVs and LCD tvs are 3D ready if you want something bigger than the monitors, but I can't comment on how good they are since I havn't tried them personally. Same with some projectors.

The shutter technology for Nvidia works just about as well as the theater tech, it just has a heavier, more expensive pair of glasses than the polarized technology most theaters use. Its going to be a bit till we see Polarized glasses tech for home use (good polarized tech, not Iz3D style) because of the nature of technology. The current theater form requires a rear projection (rather than front projection like most TV's) that is than filtered on a special screen and than using special polarized lens, you can see two separate images. Furthermore there are advancements on autostereoscopic technology that are bound to come up in the next 2-3 years. I'm sure lots of people will love to play this game in 3D without glasses when that tech comes out :P

Edited, Mar 28th 2010 4:30pm by croythegreat
#17zurinadrg, Posted: Mar 28 2010 at 2:25 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) IMO, I don't thing we can realisticly expect the current 3D fad to to be any more invasive than the last one was. I just don't think it will be something that everyone will use, in fact I expect most people will not bother with any system that requires special glasses just to watch TV or check your Email without the screen looking off.
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IMO, I don't thing we can realisticly expect the current 3D fad to to be any more invasive than the last one was. I just don't think it will be something that everyone will use, in fact I expect most people will not bother with any system that requires special glasses just to watch TV or check your Email without the screen looking off.
Add to that the need for some people to use perscription lenses to see the TV clearly or even the more rare, people who don't have depth perception (and conciquently don't see it as 3D anyway), and the market slims a little.

I don't see 3D TVs or moniters exiting the realm of expensive toys, if anything I would think there might be suport for it but I don't thing they will make it a magor feature.



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There is absolutely no way I will be wearing 3d glasses at home. Period.

If they want 3d to be in my house they'll have to find a way to do it without glasses.

Plus these "3d" movies aren't really 3d but just a few layers of 2d. I say this whole thing is just a fad and will go away until they can get true 3d.

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I'll probably **** my pants if a dragon comes out of nowhere and pops up in 3D.
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I don't see 3D TVs or moniters exiting the realm of expensive toys.


Most new HDTV's will support 3D as standard anyway, it really depends how much hollywood trys to push this, there seems to be a big deal about it in cinema's lately, of course this could end up dying down.

I can see 3D becoming the next HD, its not something everyone wants but its there for people who do.

I expect the next generation of consoles to be aiming for this also.

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There is a slight differance, PCs are rather conviniant for what they do, 3d TV that uses glasses is quite the oposite. Imagine that you have to pay $150 on a set of perscription lenses just to be able to see your TV and actualy know what's going on, now how much do you think good 3d glasses are going to cost if you have to add a perscription to them?

In the end I just think the magority of the population will see it as to much of a pain in the **** to have to put them on everytime they want to watch TV or play a game. Sometimes you want to be wowed but most people just want to relax.

I know someone mentioned other tech that would make the need for glasses obsolete, even that probably wouldn't be truely ready for the general consumer for probably 5 years or more. Sure there will be high end TVs with it but most people won't be able or willing to spend the money untill it's in a reasonable range.


Let me finish off on this note, When I was young there was an explosion in 3D products and even some ambitous attempts to bring 3d into the movies again. This was the second time the 3d fad had come around, and it faded even more quickly than the first time from what I have seen, I have yet to see anything to make me think that this isn't another cycle in the fad. It's possable that this might have more perminant effects than either privious cycle but for now the only true 3d I can see on the horizon is all the work being done twards VR.
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3D is here to stay this time. Even past rises of 3D weren't so much "fads" as experiments with something really compelling that the technology of the day just wasn't mature enough to handle.

Of course it's not really mature enough today, either. I agree with people who say that it won't catch on in a huge way until they have a method that works without the glasses. But for the first time ever, we'll have equipment that can deliver a really good 3D image affordably. I'm willing to try on the glasses, although not all the time. I'd probably opt for a 3D PC monitor before a 3D TV just because PC use is more of a solo activity with its share of cumbersome gadgets already in place.
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#25 Mar 28 2010 at 6:04 PM Rating: Good
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Yeah FFXIV will be in 3D if you want it to. FFXI is in 3D (pretty cool actually but I prefer windowed). Pretty much any PC game using DirectX is able to become 3D using Nvidia's 3D vision and a 120Hz monitor.
And if you don't like 3D then don't use it. It's not being forced one you. Even the Avatar game can be played without 3D (although its 10 times better visually with the 3D). People need to understand that 3D may be a gimmick right now but it will become a standard in the future (just like HDTV's and 3D(like n64 and ps1) consoles) 3D graphics were just a gimmick on the SNES with Starfox and now look where that is.
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Yeah FFXIV will be in 3D if you want it to. FFXI is in 3D (pretty cool actually but I prefer windowed). Pretty much any PC game using DirectX is able to become 3D using Nvidia's 3D vision and a 120Hz monitor.
And if you don't like 3D then don't use it. It's not being forced one you. Even the Avatar game can be played without 3D (although its 10 times better visually with the 3D). People need to understand that 3D may be a gimmick right now but it will become a standard in the future (just like HDTV's and 3D(like n64 and ps1) consoles) 3D graphics were just a gimmick on the SNES with Starfox and now look where that is.


the technology was just to early for those, i tryed that only to end up with pressure and eye pains which is what really concern me on the whole 3D aspect, i dont really find any advantage on ffxiv being in 3D, maybe horror or sport games, but ffxiv and similar games like that would simply be not logical. it would not enhance any enjoyment in this game.

Edited, Mar 28th 2010 8:20pm by gaiaxzero
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Yeah FFXIV will be in 3D if you want it to. FFXI is in 3D (pretty cool actually but I prefer windowed). Pretty much any PC game using DirectX is able to become 3D using Nvidia's 3D vision and a 120Hz monitor.
And if you don't like 3D then don't use it. It's not being forced one you. Even the Avatar game can be played without 3D (although its 10 times better visually with the 3D). People need to understand that 3D may be a gimmick right now but it will become a standard in the future (just like HDTV's and 3D(like n64 and ps1) consoles) 3D graphics were just a gimmick on the SNES with Starfox and now look where that is.


How are you getting FFXI in 3D? I have the Nvidia tech and I can't get it to work (and its fullscreened and not windowed so I know its not that.) Was there an update recently that allowed it to happen?

And yes 3D WILL be a standard in the future, but its penetration into the market will be much, much slower than HD. I see the glasses tech right now as Laserdisc and the next logical step is auto-stereoscopic which would be the DVD of that time line. I had a laserdisc when it came out, great picture and sound quality, significantly better than VHS, but the huge *** record style discs were a turn off, along with the small amount of space on the actual disc. Once DVD came around, you got all the best stuff from laserdisc in a more compact form, and than enhancements on top of it like the chapter and menu system (and speech dubbing change with the flick of a button).
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I was ultra surprised to find this review of the 3D Vision kit on NewEgg.com.

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Pros: * Great product
* Delivers on what it advertises
* Works with no notable performance loss for me
(see system specs in cons)
* New drivers released on a monthly bases from NVIDIA at the
time of this post.
* Awesome in 1920x1080
* For anyone that plays FFXI, 3D Vision works with it. I spent
hours trying to find out if it did or not, but seems no one else
has tried it. Works surprisingly well, too. Only bad thing is that
using it with the windower does not allow you to take off the
Compatibility Overlay in the bottom right corner of the screen.
No problems with Vanilla FFXI.


Source (third review): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824994036&cm_re=3D_Vision-_-24-994-036-_-Product

I'm going to bust my *** trying to get this to work with the standard red/blue glasses. I'll report back with my findings.
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Due to my nearly complete lack of depth perception, I can't see 3D anyways (It made playing Baseball incredibly difficult). I would rather a company not spend years developing something that won't make a difference to me. But, If 3D is going to be the 'new thing' I guess I'm screwed anyway.
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3D still has a long way to go. This article talks about the brain takes 10 different cues do determine depth and current 3D only provides 1 cue (parallax), which supposedly is confusing to your brain, and the article explains why... and long story short, watching a 3D movie every now and then might be fine, but if you use current 3D technology every day it could seriously fk you up. A big problem is there have been no studies on long term 3D effects on your brain and eyes.

I've heard of health risks involving 3D technology on the radio, and a quick google search came up with a few articles. 3D is kinda cool, but I can definitely do without it.
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Yeah FFXIV will be in 3D if you want it to. FFXI is in 3D (pretty cool actually but I prefer windowed). Pretty much any PC game using DirectX is able to become 3D using Nvidia's 3D vision and a 120Hz monitor.
And if you don't like 3D then don't use it. It's not being forced one you. Even the Avatar game can be played without 3D (although its 10 times better visually with the 3D). People need to understand that 3D may be a gimmick right now but it will become a standard in the future (just like HDTV's and 3D(like n64 and ps1) consoles) 3D graphics were just a gimmick on the SNES with Starfox and now look where that is.


How are you getting FFXI in 3D? I have the Nvidia tech and I can't get it to work (and its fullscreened and not windowed so I know its not that.) Was there an update recently that allowed it to happen?

And yes 3D WILL be a standard in the future, but its penetration into the market will be much, much slower than HD. I see the glasses tech right now as Laserdisc and the next logical step is auto-stereoscopic which would be the DVD of that time line. I had a laserdisc when it came out, great picture and sound quality, significantly better than VHS, but the huge *** record style discs were a turn off, along with the small amount of space on the actual disc. Once DVD came around, you got all the best stuff from laserdisc in a more compact form, and than enhancements on top of it like the chapter and menu system (and speech dubbing change with the flick of a button).


oh how i miss all my japan imports on laser disc, freaking collector items now.

for years ppl try to bring 3D to the table but there was always a flaw to it which happen to have been, what are the side effects on the individuals eyes, they try with a several video games and virtual boy but in the end it died as soon as it started, and ended up as another over the hill gimmic. now im not saying it wont be implemented or incorporated into the gaming world, after a few trail and error runs, but there is a very big difference between watching a movie in 3D and playing a game in 3D. playing a game in 3D could be more strenuous to the eye in long term use, and we all know ppl who play games, just dont play for an hr and call it a day.

it could cause some ppl to even get seizure even in ppl who were never prone to them before. that why i feel why 3D was never such a big thing before, the idea of the technology has always been there for yrs, it just trying to implement it in a safe way with out causing dramatic side effects has always been a big concern.

Edited, Mar 29th 2010 2:26am by gaiaxzero
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I think 3D will really increase in "power/popularity" when they're able to project fine detailed mini images from the goggles (with light weight) right into the eye.

What you have now is a mini window (monitor) which you need to look into the 3D world. Which works, but is really restricting for what you can see and probably also the reason why people can find it tiresome.

If the images were projected from the goggles, you would be entirely emerged in your 3D world. If you added a movement sensor on the head then you could turn your head and look around you in the virtual world too. Now that's a kind of Final Fantasy 3D I would like to play :D


p.s You don't have to cry about people, who already have normal glasses, won't be able to play. If the image was projected from a sphere surface (think shape contact lenses). Then an addon program could easily adjust to the persons sight deficiency.

Edited, Mar 29th 2010 4:28pm by RedGalka
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Yeah FFXIV will be in 3D if you want it to. FFXI is in 3D (pretty cool actually but I prefer windowed). Pretty much any PC game using DirectX is able to become 3D using Nvidia's 3D vision and a 120Hz monitor.
And if you don't like 3D then don't use it. It's not being forced one you. Even the Avatar game can be played without 3D (although its 10 times better visually with the 3D). People need to understand that 3D may be a gimmick right now but it will become a standard in the future (just like HDTV's and 3D(like n64 and ps1) consoles) 3D graphics were just a gimmick on the SNES with Starfox and now look where that is.


the technology was just to early for those, i tryed that only to end up with pressure and eye pains which is what really concern me on the whole 3D aspect, i dont really find any advantage on ffxiv being in 3D, maybe horror or sport games, but ffxiv and similar games like that would simply be not logical. it would not enhance any enjoyment in this game.

Edited, Mar 28th 2010 8:20pm by gaiaxzero


I think you are right that it might give an even greater effect in a horror game, but I definitely think it has its place in games like FFXIV as well. I mean, seeing beautiful landscapes or going up against a huge dragon or w/e that is almost popping out of the screen, is to me really cool and enhances my experience/enjoyment by a great deal. Not sure why you mention it as "not logical" tbh. Obviously it is individual, but I would think SE would want to cater to both sides considering it seems like very little effort has to be made either way.
#34 Mar 29 2010 at 4:09 AM Rating: Decent
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According to PSM3 magazine, sony is really getting behind 3D this year. They figure gamers are more likely to put up with wearing glasses as we are already used to using peripherals.
Batman GOTY edition is 3D.
Would be nice for casual gaming and a big action film every now and again, but a bit too much permanently.
#35 Mar 29 2010 at 4:48 AM Rating: Decent
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I wear glasses, so until they start doing 3D without the need for the stupid glasses and it being affordable, I won't be in a rush to join the 3D revolution.

If you think they are a bit uncomfortable now, wearing these big things over top of my already existing glasses really isn't a great feeling at all. you know? lol





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#36 Mar 29 2010 at 8:27 AM Rating: Decent
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Faaeng wrote:
I wear glasses, so until they start doing 3D without the need for the stupid glasses and it being affordable, I won't be in a rush to join the 3D revolution.

If you think they are a bit uncomfortable now, wearing these big things over top of my already existing glasses really isn't a great feeling at all. you know? lol


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p.s You don't have to cry about people, who already have normal glasses, won't be able to play. If the image was projected from a sphere surface (think shape contact lenses). Then an addon program could easily adjust to the persons sight deficiency.
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It would be optional if it were added as a feature to the game. Not sure what is with all the people whining that they hate 3d - if you don't like it, don't use it.

Any PC that is powerful enough to display 120 FPS, along with a card and some glasses from nVidia, can already display existing titles in 3d. You would be able to use it for FFXIV, even if they don't add any specific 3d content.

I think that within the next 20-30 years, immersive 3d is going to be the next revolution. That would involve either a display or a headset that surrounded you, and responded to movement of your head. For example, if you want to look to your right, you turn your head to your right rather than adjusting the camera with your mouse. I'm only dreaming out loud, of course ...
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#38 Mar 29 2010 at 11:44 AM Rating: Good
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I have a strong lazy eye, and a garbage eye, it means I can't even see the 3D effect half the time :P Is awesome though, definitely the gimmick of the year.
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#39 Mar 29 2010 at 11:55 AM Rating: Decent
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Jordster wrote:

I think that within the next 20-30 years, immersive 3d is going to be the next revolution. That would involve either a display or a headset that surrounded you, and responded to movement of your head. For example, if you want to look to your right, you turn your head to your right rather than adjusting the camera with your mouse. I'm only dreaming out loud, of course ...


That technology has already been around commercially for a few years. Ever heard of TrackIR? A lot of people use it especially for flight sims.
#40 Mar 29 2010 at 1:10 PM Rating: Decent
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It does look great already. Im going to be enjoying it on Ps3 with the 1080p 42in xD <3<3
Its going to be sooooooooo preeeetty =O~ lol.
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I wear glasses, so until they start doing 3D without the need for the stupid glasses and it being affordable, I won't be in a rush to join the 3D revolution.

If you think they are a bit uncomfortable now, wearing these big things over top of my already existing glasses really isn't a great feeling at all. you know? lol


There are things called contact lenses, I have worn 3D glasses over the top of prescription glasses without much discomfort, that being said I wear contacts most of the time these days so its no big deal.
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Possible, but not probable.

There is no real demand (or recognized value?) for 3D in the home yet. Until cable/satellite offer 3D services or movies/websites offer 3D options, it would be a waste of money for many people. That's not to say that XIV can't support it, just that it would be wasted on the masses if they did.
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#43 Mar 29 2010 at 3:10 PM Rating: Decent
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There are things called contact lenses, I have worn 3D glasses over the top of prescription glasses without much discomfort, that being said I wear contacts most of the time these days so its no big deal.[/quote]

I hope your not patronizing me..... I wear contacts during the day and when I go to work. When I get home I take them off because over time the begin to bother my eyes. I do not wear them all the time however because sometimes they bother my eyes.

I game predominately at night. If I were to keep the contacts in after my long day and put the glasses on my eyes would probably start to kill me. If I didn't wear contact lenses, I shouldn't have to buy them just so that i could wear some clunky 3D glasses instead of my glasses. That makes the cost of going 3D to go up that much more.

I'm not hating on 3D. I like the whole concept of 3D, It just isn't for me until they are able to do it another way. I don't know, maybe clip ons? You know how some glasses have clip on sunglasses? Maybe clip on polarized lenses or something.

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#44 Mar 29 2010 at 3:20 PM Rating: Decent
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Damnit people, stop using poor eyesight as an arguement.

If you had 3D images created by goggles then you could very easily add a program to adjust the view to your bad eyesight specifications.
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Damnit people, stop using poor eyesight as an arguement.

If you had 3D images created by goggles then you could very easily add a program to adjust the view to your bad eyesight specifications.


poor eyesight is a valid argument. Sure, someone could probably create a program that would need to be calibrated to each and every individuals eyes yes, but until the begin talking about doing so in the context of 3D, poor eyesight will continue to be a valid argument.

If you are excited for 3D thats great, If people arent, good for them. If people are excited but have some sort of conflict with the current technology it's a shame is it not? There is no need to get upset about it unless you fall into the later group of individuals.

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Polarised 3D won't be coming to our homes, most TV manufacturers are backing shutter glasses, and for those waiting for autostereoscopic (3D without glasses) will be waiting a very long time, there are prototypes but they are very low res and cost a fortune, maybe in 10 years it will be viable to do it that way.
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