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#1 Mar 31 2010 at 7:26 PM Rating: Good
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All right, don't hate me here (I know, we talk about this a lot, I get it)... but I just got the Square Enix newsletter (about 3 seconds ago it popped into my inbox) and there was a mention of FFXIV. In it, I see the following:

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"Testers for the highly anticipated FINAL FANTASY XIV have been selected for the closed alpha phase. To those who were not selected in this drawing, don't worry! There will be other opportunities to come. Please sit tight and remember not to re-register if you've already submitted a beta application—this will get you disqualified for selection, and we'd hate to see that happen!"


(bold emphasis is mine)


Wait, wait.. I thought re-registering only voided your last application. As per the Beta application itself:

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"If an applicant applies multiple times, only the final application will be valid."



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So, which is it, exactly? They can't both be true. One implies you are completely out of the running for Beta entirely just by re-submitting, and the other implies you can apply as much as you like but only the most recent application is valid.

I thought I'd ask since some people have re-applied (and been encouraged to do so based on the latter information) as they've upgraded computer equipment and such. Also the application itself was updated at some point as well, I believe...

I guess I'm just wondering if anyone can set the record straight on this one, or if we really just don't know :P



[Edit: My apologies to Siks whom I beat in the topic-timing department due to my leet typing skillz ;) ]


Edited, Mar 31st 2010 6:38pm by happybyday
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#2 Mar 31 2010 at 7:33 PM Rating: Excellent
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How come I didn't get the newsletter? :(
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Or me Pikko :( Wait a few hours I guess!
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#4 Mar 31 2010 at 7:35 PM Rating: Good
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I find that not everyone gets the darn newsletter at the same time, this isn't the first time either.

In fact, there was one news letter I just didn't get at all! It was weird, everyone was talking about it and I was just rocking back and forth in the corner wondering "why me?" ;) (... kidding, of course :P )

No but seriously, I didn't get an entire newsletter, and sometimes I get them days later. It's just strange.


Edit: If it helps, here's what it said (basically nothing, lol):


COMING 2010 on PC and PlayStation 3 | VISIT SITE
ESRB Rating: Rating Pending. May contain content inappropriate for children. Visit www.esrb.org for rating information

Testers for the highly anticipated FINAL FANTASY XIV have been selected for the closed alpha phase. To those who were not selected in this drawing, don't worry! There will be other opportunities to come. Please sit tight and remember not to re-register if you've already submitted a beta application—this will get you disqualified for selection, and we'd hate to see that happen!

If you haven't signed up for the beta yet and would like to participate, head over to the official site for more details. No previous MMORPG experience is required for the beta—or to enjoy the game! In the meantime, we urge you to check out the site's GAMEPLAY section. There, you'll learn about the foundation of the FINAL FANTASY XIV experience—The Armoury System—and see why this is one of the most anticipated titles of 2010.


Edited, Mar 31st 2010 6:36pm by happybyday
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#5 Mar 31 2010 at 7:35 PM Rating: Decent
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Yea i got this Newsletter also and was confused by this, gladly I have only made one application, but it is confusing for those who haven't.
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I searched my gmail and it looks like I only have one newsletter for XIV that came on the 15th. I swear I signed up for the newsletter last June when it was first announced or whatever, but seems like I only started getting them when I finally applied for the beta.
#7 Mar 31 2010 at 7:39 PM Rating: Good
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I searched my gmail and it looks like I only have one newsletter for XIV that came on the 15th. I swear I signed up for the newsletter last June when it was first announced or whatever, but seems like I only started getting them when I finally applied for the beta.


Probably not it, as I've skipped newsletters entirely since being signed up for the Beta.

Weirdness... this thread is now about the confusing state of the SE newsletter, haha ;)
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#8 Mar 31 2010 at 7:40 PM Rating: Good
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I havent gotten anything as well. Sad day. But good sign that we are just one step closer!
#9 Mar 31 2010 at 7:41 PM Rating: Good
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I can add to the confusion..

I always get the newsletter as it is sent out.. and then hours, sometimes days later I will receive another copy of the email sent to the same address as the first one.

*shrug*
#10 Mar 31 2010 at 7:49 PM Rating: Decent
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Well, I haven't applied for the Beta, so this is just my guess. But based on what I've read on the boards here I think this might be what the confusion is...

So originally there was the beta sign up online that people were pouncing on and that was only for the PC beta, and the big warning was don't do multiple applications or all of your applications will be voided. (That what the newsletter is reiterating, to not reregister for the PC beta online, or alpha as it is)

But then FFXIII came out and all that hullaballoo about entering into an entirely different pool, that is, people with an active FFXI account or something. So you could switch into that pool and that would be okay and that would cancel your older applications but your new one would be okay.

But simply multiple registrations is a no-no. Could this be it?
#11 Mar 31 2010 at 7:51 PM Rating: Decent
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Pikko wrote:
I searched my gmail and it looks like I only have one newsletter for XIV that came on the 15th. I swear I signed up for the newsletter last June when it was first announced or whatever, but seems like I only started getting them when I finally applied for the beta.



newsletter on the 15th is most recent email for me as well
#12 Mar 31 2010 at 7:56 PM Rating: Good
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This newsletter I got says "Official March Newsletter" -- maybe this is me getting the news letter late? O.o Very late if it originally came out on the 15th and I just got it an HOUR ago... This one has an article about Supreme Commander 2, FFXIV, and FFXIII Play Arts Kai Volume 1, if that helps distinguish it or relate it to the other one.

Now if I look through my Square Enix history, I have:

March 26, FFXI Newsletter #38.
March 23, Square Enix newsletter (featuring Just Cause 2)
... and absolutely NOTHING for March 15.

Very, very strange... though the original topic still stands, which statement is true and which isn't.

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#13 Mar 31 2010 at 8:14 PM Rating: Good
I got a newsletter last week that was enthusiastically informing me about the official site update that happened like...6 weeks ago. I reckon their mail servers are a bit bogged down these days o.O
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Siks wrote:
I can add to the confusion..

I always get the newsletter as it is sent out.. and then hours, sometimes days later I will receive another copy of the email sent to the same address as the first one.

*shrug*


I think you're getting the newsletters that are supposed to be going to me....because I've only gotten one since day one of sign ups.
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#15 Mar 31 2010 at 8:40 PM Rating: Good
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That makes me newsletter thief extraordinaire! Muahahah :3
#16 Mar 31 2010 at 8:44 PM Rating: Good
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So in conclusion: SE sends newsletters to whomever they want, whenever they want, never at the same time, and they reserve the right to post conflicting information at all times.

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I have also recieve a newsletter but i signup for the EU version.

http://uman.square-enix-europe.com/tracker.php?doc=FFXIVNL001&code=554944&lang=en&page=email&id=EMAIL

In this newsletter it only ask me to sit tight without the above bold sentence.
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#18 Mar 31 2010 at 8:56 PM Rating: Good
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By re-register they mean don't register brand new Square-Enix accounts to submit multiple applications. Editing the one application on your single account should be okay.

Also, regarding this Newsletter, this isn't an FFXIV newsletter. To receive this one you need to be registered on the SQUARE ENIX MEMBERS site.

http://na.square-enix.com/newsletter/2010/03/

Edited, Mar 31st 2010 11:01pm by NashV
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By re-register they mean don't register brand new Square-Enix accounts to submit multiple applications. Editing the one application on your single account should be okay.


That does make a little sense, thanks.

Thanks as well for the newsletter clarification but, what am I -not- signed up for if I didn't get the March 15th newsletter, but I got one on the 23rd (SE), 26th (FFXI), and the 31st (today, SE again)?

Is it an FFXIV-exclusive letter that I missed along the lines somewhere?
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#20 Mar 31 2010 at 10:03 PM Rating: Decent
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Ah?! I got same email just few seconds ago.
Yes, this isn't a newsletter from FFXIV site. This is from
Square Enix for their member.

Edited, Apr 1st 2010 12:04am by hexid
#21 Mar 31 2010 at 10:07 PM Rating: Decent
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...what am I -not- signed up for if I didn't get the March 15th newsletter, but I got one on the 23rd (SE), 26th (FFXI), and the 31st (today, SE again)?

Is it an FFXIV-exclusive letter that I missed along the lines somewhere?


There is a newsletter you can sign up to from http://na.square-enix.com/reg/ff14/ that is strictly about FFXIV news. :)

Edited, Apr 1st 2010 12:08am by NashV
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Thanks Nash :)
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#23 Apr 01 2010 at 7:08 AM Rating: Decent
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To answer orginal question....

They will void your application if they find out you try to register many times under different account/email. But if you register with same account/email only the last one will be took in consideration, for example you applied for PC but change your mind and want to apply to PS3, well the PS3 application will be the valid one.

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I have never gotten the news letter across two different email accounts. Smiley: cry
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I believe part of the confusion is that there are multiple different newsletters.

There is a "Final Fantasy XIV Official Newsletter" and a separate "Square Enix Official Newsletter" both of which need to be signed up for separately.

Log-in to you Square-Enix Members account, click on Account Center, click on Profile and Preferences, and under Email Options you are able to select Newsletters to subscribe to and unsubscribe from.

It appears that if you signed up for a particular newsletter outside of Square-Enix Members, for whatever reason they are not in sync and the check-box for that particular newsletter will show up as unchecked (yet you still should have been receiving any newsletter you previously subscribed to regardless).

The latest Square Enix Official Newsletter (March 31st):
http://na.square-enix.com/newsletter/2010/03/

The latest Final Fantasy XIV Newsletter (March 15th):
http://na.square-enix.com/newsletter/ff14_100315/


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I couldn't remember if I had signed up or not, or if it even went through because I remember trying when it was congested, but I couldn't get through. So I applied "again". If I don't get in because they're servers were having issues, shame on them. D:
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I've applied for beta twice, which kind of sucks if i'm disqualified. I did it once for PC and once for PS3 and hoped that the PC one was voided...i hope this is what actually happened.
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Damnit. I filled out around 10 applications with different e-mail addresses. I hope they can realize there are hardcore FFXIV enthusiasts out there...I mean it IS Final Fantasy's latest MMO. I'm sure they have to understand, I mean have you seen that beta account going for a lot of money on that japanese auction site?
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This makes me worried because my girlfriend and I have filled out beta applications and we live in the same house. I signed up using my FF13 key and she signed up using her computer specs. We do play FF11 and put in our separate and unique POL ID's though. Hopefully they realize we are not duplicates but in fact two separate people at the same residence.
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I couldn't remember if I had signed up or not, or if it even went through because I remember trying when it was congested, but I couldn't get through. So I applied "again". If I don't get in because they're servers were having issues, shame on them. D:


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I've applied for beta twice, which kind of sucks if i'm disqualified. I did it once for PC and once for PS3 and hoped that the PC one was voided...i hope this is what actually happened.


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This makes me worried because my girlfriend and I have filled out beta applications and we live in the same house.


I think these kinds of things are normal and that Square Enix is formed from a bunch of people at the end of the day, who understand scenarios like these. btw Nyu, we're in the same boat, my husband and I also applied from the same house obviously (from a different computer, but the same house).

We all like to complain about SE and that's fair enough, but they aren't stupid -- no more so than you or I anyway ;) Point is, they're gonna understand this kinda stuff happens, I'm confident of it. I wasn't when I started this thread, I had that "urgh, what-if" in the back of my mind, but after sitting on it for a day, I'm not concerned any longer. Most people at SE are probably far smarter than I, and I'm confident I could tell the difference between real re-application situations, and ... well, this:


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Damnit. I filled out around 10 applications with different e-mail addresses.


THIS... is exactly what SE is trying to avoid.

For all the legitimate re-applications, I don't think it will really be a problem.

Edited, Apr 1st 2010 9:51pm by happybyday
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I think SE has plenty of people with single applications in the pool to pick from that they don't need to devote resource to trying to figure out which ones are legit. If their ban policy in FFXI is any indication, I bet they just have a script to weed out duplicates.

I hope that's not the case, however, because I re-sent in my application once to update the information on it, and my fiance filled one out on her computer as well with the same address.

Edited, Apr 2nd 2010 1:21pm by Calispel
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I think SE has plenty of people with single applications in the pool to pick from that they don't need to devote resource to trying to figure out which ones are legit.


While it may sound difficult to ascertain, it really isn't.

Whatever the case may be, we'll never know though I suppose :)
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Calispel wrote:
I think SE has plenty of people with single applications in the pool to pick from that they don't need to devote resource to trying to figure out which ones are legit. If their ban policy in FFXI is any indication, I bet they just have a script to weed out duplicates.

I hope that's not the case, however, because I re-sent in my application once to update the information on it, and my fiance filled one out on her computer as well with the same address.

Edited, Apr 2nd 2010 1:21pm by Calispel


I think this is the more likely scenario. They're not going to waste time manually sorting through thousands of applications just to be fair. This is a beta test. They don't have to let you play it. Even if your app is perfect they reserve the right to refuse you. With how popular this closed beta is, they have more than enough obviously legit applications that they aren't going to mess around with the wishy washy ones.

Yeah, it sucks. But they're in this for profit, not fairness.
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