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#1 Apr 04 2010 at 7:05 PM Rating: Default
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I bought FFXI yesterday for xbox since it seems se will not be coming out with an xbox XIV as the first release. So i figured even after it comes out I will not be playing it for a while since I don't own PS3 and hate computer gaming, and figured I'd just play XI until it's released for xbox (if it is) and then transfer my character when it is released (if it is). Anyways, will we be able to transfer our characters from XI to XIV or is it a completely new mmo where everyone starts over? Thanks.
#2 Apr 04 2010 at 7:08 PM Rating: Good
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Short answer: No

Long answer: It's a completely different game. **** no
#3 Apr 04 2010 at 7:11 PM Rating: Default
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Alrighty, at least I won't be loosing much, I'll still be nooby. Wait since this is the case, does that mean this game would cost an additional monthly fee on top of XI? In that case I'd just cancel the subscription to XI but just curious.
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Yes, new game, entirely different. It will have no official connection to FFXI. Seperate characters, monthly fee, everything.
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#5 Apr 04 2010 at 10:33 PM Rating: Good
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they have not announced that it will be released for the xbox yet. their still trying to finalize a deal. so as of now no FFXIV for 360.
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Wait since this is the case, does that mean this game would cost an additional monthly fee on top of XI?

Completely different games. It will cost extra, there is no character transfer between the games, etc.
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robbyam wrote:
I bought FFXI yesterday for xbox since it seems se will not be coming out with an xbox XIV as the first release. So i figured even after it comes out I will not be playing it for a while since I don't own PS3 and hate computer gaming, and figured I'd just play XI until it's released for xbox (if it is) and then transfer my character when it is released (if it is). Anyways, will we be able to transfer our characters from XI to XIV or is it a completely new mmo where everyone starts over? Thanks.


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#8 Apr 05 2010 at 2:58 AM Rating: Good
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They haven't commented on it, as far as I know anyway, but considering SE's "vision" of people playing both games, it should not be out of the question for SE to make a package deal where maybe you get a reduced price for XI if you pay for both games. Something like SOE has. That is of course pure speculation.
#9 Apr 05 2010 at 3:15 AM Rating: Good
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They haven't commented on it, as far as I know anyway, but considering SE's "vision" of people playing both games, it should not be out of the question for SE to make a package deal where maybe you get a reduced price for XI if you pay for both games. Something like SOE has. That is of course pure speculation.


Except that XI uses PlayOnline for its subscription fees and they are doing away with PlayOnline in exchange for their new Square Enix ID with XIV.
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Belcrono wrote:
They haven't commented on it, as far as I know anyway, but considering SE's "vision" of people playing both games, it should not be out of the question for SE to make a package deal where maybe you get a reduced price for XI if you pay for both games. Something like SOE has. That is of course pure speculation.


Square Enix has mentioned this, the possibility of it is quite high and it would bring even more people to subscribe to both games. Also, on topic, Square Enix said they are working to make you able to transfer your friends list from FFXI, but this is not a complete feature as of yet.
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#11 Apr 05 2010 at 4:18 AM Rating: Decent
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That would be excellent. I'd love being able to play both games. But I don;t see how they're going to do this since their leaving Play Online. We'll just have to see.

@Eske: I don't enjoy computer gaming because I enjoy sitting away from a larger screen, instead of right in front of a computer screen. Also, the controller is more enjoyable than mouse and stuff. Also, game consoles are dedicated to only games, while computers have a lot of stuff and the variety causes malfunctions and lag, ect. It's just more enjoyable for me, and computer games are much more than likely to either not work at all or work very poorly or I'll run into tons of issues.
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Belcrono wrote:
They haven't commented on it, as far as I know anyway, but considering SE's "vision" of people playing both games, it should not be out of the question for SE to make a package deal where maybe you get a reduced price for XI if you pay for both games. Something like SOE has. That is of course pure speculation.



People think SE is retarded when it comes to game design and etc..but they aren't dumb enough to shoot themselves in the foot offering FFXI and FFXIV for one price.

This is why:

FFXI is still their main source of income, why not keep FFXI where it is because a lot of people didn't get into alpha and it's a good indication a lot won't get into FFXIV's beta either and the die hard people will still play FFXI so it's still going to be a great source of income for them.

FFXIV will be hit or miss but it's also a new game which means new fees and new chance of becoming their main source of income while FFXI will be on the back end. Offering both games for one price is pretty much shooting themselves.

Reduced pricing may not happen since honestly, $12.95 is still cheap and even if they reduce it people are still paying $17+ for their accounts to begin with. So it would be in their best interest to have people pay $12.95 for FFXI and however much for FFXIV separately, that's a better business move, especially with all that's planned for FFXI this year it will still be lively.

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They could still make money by say making FFXI $12.95/mo FFXIV $12.95/mo and having you pay say... $20.95/mo for access to both of them. Package deal, but you get to pay a little less per month than you would if you had to pay separately.

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#14 Apr 05 2010 at 10:50 AM Rating: Good
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computer games are much more than likely to either not work at all or work very poorly or I'll run into tons of issues.

I played FFXI on a computer for close to six years, and I can count on one hand the times I've had a problem with it that was related to something actually occurring on my computer. All the other problems were either server-side, my ISP going down, or a power outage in town.

If you're running into "tons of issues", perhaps your computer just needs some routine maintenance.

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#15 Apr 05 2010 at 11:30 AM Rating: Decent
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I played FFXI on a computer for close to six years, and I can count on one hand the times I've had a problem with it that was related to something actually occurring on my computer. All the other problems were either server-side, my ISP going down, or a power outage in town.

If you're running into "tons of issues", perhaps your computer just needs some routine maintenance.


FFXIV is sporting some heavy specs. And if anyone has a machine older then 4 or 5 years chances are very good that you will not be able to play it. I will admit even though I'm a devout PC gamer the thought of spending $700+ to upgrade my comp to the point where it will run FFXIV smoothy is a bit daunting when I could save the money and maybe upgrade the Harddrive on my PS3 and play it on that.

What the majority of console gamers hate about PC gaming is the hard and fast progression of graphics and the need to spend almost a grand upgrading your computer every 2 years just to play the latest games.

I will agree though that unless you're sporting some really bad internet practices and don't have any virus protection running you will probably have no bad experiences with the PC these days. Things are pretty stable and solid since Microsoft has stepped up their game with Windows 7.

FYI, PS3's are only $299.99 these days (used maybe less) it's not that much of a stretch to go out and get one. Far better then trying to piece together a decent gaming PC if you don't have the funds to do so.
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#16 Apr 05 2010 at 11:41 AM Rating: Good
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I just want to know why the OP has decided he wants to play FFXIV when he clearly knows nothing about it.
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I just want to know why the OP has decided he wants to play FFXIV when he clearly knows nothing about it.


Everyone starts somewhere. I'm sure the majority of us knew nothing about FFXIV before research and press release as well.
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#18 Apr 05 2010 at 1:19 PM Rating: Decent
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I just want to know why the OP has decided he wants to play FFXIV when he clearly knows nothing about it.


Everyone starts somewhere. I'm sure the majority of us knew nothing about FFXIV before research and press release as well.


Sure, but it sounds as if s/he's putting the cart before the horse, so to speak. It seems the decision to play the game has been made before they even know what the game is.
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#19 Apr 05 2010 at 1:53 PM Rating: Good
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Microsoft has a weird policy with MMOs. the only MMOs I remember being made available on the Xbox 360 is Phantasy Star Universe and FFXI. Guess which one kicked the can a couple months ago?

Also, another MMO was supposed to have been released for the 360 (Champions), but it got ********** because Microsoft was constantly cockblocking it for no good reason at all.

So yeah, I wouldn't expect FFXIV on the 360 anytime soon, if ever.
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SE would be smart to let you add FFXI to your FFXIV account for ~$5/month - making it a total of $19 or $20/mo for both games.

They won't do that - because for the time being there are too many current FFXI players who are willing to pay for both. In the future, though, when FFXI starts to lose it's population base (as some, but certainly not all, FFXI'ers finally start to abandon their subscriptions b/c they are not playing FFXIV full time) and wants to keep their revenue up.

It's a shame, though. Personally, I would pay $5/mo to have an XI sub just for fun while playing XIV. I'm sure I'm not the only one. My conclusion - unmet demands often get filled, eventually. I say a year after FFXIV release, XI will become part of a $20 package :)
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#21 Apr 05 2010 at 3:11 PM Rating: Decent
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he hasn't really played the game so he can't understand why ffxi was special, or why ffxiv might even be better. so until then he can't make a decesion. i bet his mind would change though if he played the game for 6 months.

to OP: just get ffxiv. i played ffxi for a few years, was going to quit the first month i played and ffxi turned out to be one of the best games i've ever played. now imagine ffxi in next gen graphics. it's going to be 2x better because my armor and weapons are going to be in way better graphics. ffxiv is going to be the **** in MMO terms. but people are still connected with ffxi, they're going to have to give that **** up entirely.
#22 Apr 05 2010 at 3:54 PM Rating: Default
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Yeah, to be honest everyone I've never had an interest in final fantasy until now, and what drew me to buying ffxi was the fact that it was a console mmo. I always liked mmo's but got into xbox and the opportunity was great. Someone posted used ps3's are cheap, like under 300 dollars so I might invest in that. Until I make that decision I'll, like you all said, have to play xi for a good while to determine it's greatness. Right now I'm in the noob stages killing off bumblebees until I can finally get a bit farther, and honestly so far this is a good game. There's actual strategy in my fighting. When I was little I played runescape and was tremendously bored by the fact all you did was click on a monster to attack and watch. In ff xi I enjoy the battling with ability combos, spells, and weapons even though I do not yet have a lot of choices. I know they'll increase. We'll have to see where xiv goes- I'll wait a while after the release for any xbox news, and if there aren't any I may get it for ps3 and just invest in a ps3 (though this may be unlikely unless I can also gather some interest in other ps3 games). Thanks for the feedback.

Edit: Also, I'd probably invest in the ps3 if that's what it comes down too rather than get it for computer. It's not that I'm bashing computer gaming, please don't think that. It's just that I consider my computer a place for storage and life work like typing and maybe graphic design. Games are hard for me to use on computers due to constant graphic card updates, minor issues that just annoy me, ect. Just wanted to say that in case anyone thought i was bashing computer gaming: im not, it's just not for me.

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#24 Apr 05 2010 at 6:39 PM Rating: Default
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yeah, thanks.
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FFXIV is sporting some heavy specs.

Where can one find these specs? I haven't seen any solid proof yet of what will be required to run FFXIV on a PC.

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I will admit even though I'm a devout PC gamer the thought of spending $700+ to upgrade my comp to the point where it will run FFXIV smoothy is a bit daunting when I could save the money and maybe upgrade the Harddrive on my PS3 and play it on that.

If you have to spend $700 to upgrade your computer that much, you're doing it wrong. I bought a brand new system last month that cost me $1150, and that's only because I want something I won't have to upgrade for a while.
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Ralrra wrote:

If you have to spend $700 to upgrade your computer that much, you're doing it wrong. I bought a brand new system last month that cost me $1150, and that's only because I want something I won't have to upgrade for a while.


Often times if a PC is more than a few years old it will require a complete overhaul to get up to date. The last time I upgraded mine from a Intel P4 to a Core Duo it required a new motherboard to fit the new socket, which meant new RAM, a PCI-E graphics card to replace my old AGP one. I was practically rebuilding my whole machine so the cost was similar to putting together a new one. I'd say if you're considering a new PC just for FFXIV, it's much cheaper to get a PS3.


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If you have to spend $700 to upgrade your computer that much, you're doing it wrong. I bought a brand new system last month that cost me $1150, and that's only because I want something I won't have to upgrade for a while.


Often times if a PC is more than a few years old it will require a complete overhaul to get up to date. The last time I upgraded mine from a Intel P4 to a Core Duo it required a new motherboard to fit the new socket, which meant new RAM, a PCI-E graphics card to replace my old AGP one. I was practically rebuilding my whole machine so the cost was similar to putting together a new one. I'd say if you're considering a new PC just for FFXIV, it's much cheaper to get a PS3.




I'm still debating on whether I want to do the PS3 route, hold out for 360 or spend the $1300 I priced a PC at. I do enjoy PC gaming a lot, but I definitely like using my 1080p LCD for my 360. I'm just waffling with it, but I'm thinking for expandability, I might as well just suck it up and build a new PC.
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#28 Apr 06 2010 at 12:30 PM Rating: Decent
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Where can one find these specs? I haven't seen any solid proof yet of what will be required to run FFXIV on a PC.


Sorry I didn't mean specific specs, but looking at level of detail in video and screens any machine more then a couple years old is going to have some trouble. I could be wrong, maybe they have a really low quality setting that will strip a lot of graphical features out.


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If you have to spend $700 to upgrade your computer that much, you're doing it wrong. I bought a brand new system last month that cost me $1150, and that's only because I want something I won't have to upgrade for a while.


All depends on the quality of parts you're getting and if they're on sale, I for one want a Intel i5 750 Quad-core CPU ($200+) with a good 3rd party Heatsink ($30), 6GB of DDR3 RAM ($200+) and a new ASUS Motherboard ($200+) + Tax. Probably worth throwing in a New Hard drive in there as well which would put me above $700. It pretty much is a new machine. I'm only holding off on a Graphics card because mine isn't too bad and it would be better to wait until I really need a new one.

Also keep in mind I'm in Canada. Prices are still not exactly the same despite our pretty close dollar value.

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Just throwing it out there, your content ID's are all linked to your SE ID now, or should be if you linked your accounts to sign up for the beta. Presumably, A content ID will work for Either game, and you will pay the full cost for the first, and $1 for every subsequent content ID. Where you apply these content ID's will probably be up to you.

That is just my speculation at least.
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Just throwing it out there, your content ID's are all linked to your SE ID now, or should be if you linked your accounts to sign up for the beta. Presumably, A content ID will work for Either game, and you will pay the full cost for the first, and $1 for every subsequent content ID. Where you apply these content ID's will probably be up to you.

That is just my speculation at least.


I do believe they are moving away from the PlayOnline model entirely so I doubt we'll see the return of content IDs as way of measuring the amount of characters you have.

I wouldn't completely ignore any possibilities of joint FFXIV/FFXI subscription packages, but the systems will most likely by separate.

The only reason for them even having the content ID linked to your SE account is for legacy purposes and to track who has a FFXI account. Plus the deal with having a string of characters as your login was horrible. I could never remember mine. Thank god I wrote it down in the manual for FFXI and never lost it.

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Where can one find these specs? I haven't seen any solid proof yet of what will be required to run FFXIV on a PC.


Sorry I didn't mean specific specs, but looking at level of detail in video and screens any machine more then a couple years old is going to have some trouble. I could be wrong, maybe they have a really low quality setting that will strip a lot of graphical features out.


Personally, I didn't see anything in the videos that indicated that the game will require a really advanced computer. In fact, developing the game in such a manner would more than likely do a lot of harm to their game sales. I'd instead wager that SE will balance the game's ratio between polished graphics and viability for a range of system strengths. That way they ensure the largest possible player base. Now, it might require lowering some settings, but I'm sure it'll be possible to play it on most relatively new computers (2-5 yrs old).

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Personally, I didn't see anything in the videos that indicated that the game will require a really advanced computer. In fact, developing the game in such a manner would more than likely do a lot of harm to their game sales. I'd instead wager that SE will balance the game's ratio between polished graphics and viability for a range of system strengths. That way they ensure the largest possible player base. Now, it might require lowering some settings, but I'm sure it'll be possible to play it on most relatively new computers (2-5 yrs old).


Sorry, by trouble I mean lower then 20 frames a second. 4 or 5 years old is pushing it I think and is not considered new by computer standards. Even WoW these days has significant slow down on a machine that old if you plan for doing end game content. You will be able to play the game I image but the question is will it be playable?

I'm not trying to argue that Square isn't trying to make this playable on as many machines as possible, but from what I can tell from the videos and screens there's a lot of polygons and a lot of open area and space. I know my current machine which is indeed 5 years old or so isn't going to be able to handle it.

I admit I could be wrong about this, and they may have made the game extremely flexible, my opinion is tainted by some of the FPS games that have come out in recent years which tend to destroy machines older then 2 years.

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