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#1 Apr 06 2010 at 2:41 PM Rating: Good
Thought I'd start out by saying since it's obvious the game will not be on 360 for some time.. I might as well get a beefy PC to play it on.

So here are the prelim specs I am working with on the new machine. Thoughts/complaints/suggestions welcome. Also post yours if you have a build coming in :D

AMD Processor
Gigabyte Mobo
OCZ 6g RAM
WD Caviar Black 1tb HDD
Sapphire Vapor-X 5870
Antec Nine Hundred Case
Corsair Modular PSU

If you guys out there see anything you think I could save some money on without losing too much performance, please let me know :D


Edited, Apr 6th 2010 4:41pm by flukedrk
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#2 Apr 06 2010 at 2:51 PM Rating: Decent
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There are a zillion threads like this one already ... but I'll give it a quick go:

Intel Core i5 processors are faster and more efficient for the same price as the AMD you have linked. That's a nice motherboard. Good choice of HD and graphics card.

Yes, that system will crush FFXIV. If the game is efficiently coded, expect 60 FPS on max. I don't know why everyone thinks it's going to be a demanding game. It's not. It's going to look just like it does on PS3, and any reasonably good PC will have no problems running it on max.

Edited, Apr 6th 2010 4:52pm by Jordster
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#3 Apr 06 2010 at 2:55 PM Rating: Good
Jordster wrote:
There are a zillion threads like this one already ... but I'll give it a quick go:

Intel Core i5 processors are faster and more efficient for the same price as the AMD you have linked. That's a nice motherboard. Good choice of HD and graphics card.

Yes, that system will crush FFXIV. If the game is efficiently coded, expect 60 FPS on max. I don't know why everyone thinks it's going to be a demanding game. It's not. It's going to look just like it does on PS3, and any reasonably good PC will have no problems running it on max.

Edited, Apr 6th 2010 4:52pm by Jordster


I'm not getting it just for FFXIV, so I want it to be a good rock for future games. Also is the i5 really better than the quad AMD? If that's the case I have to switch around the mobo too, any suggestions on those? (I've mostly only built amd systems since I was a kid)
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#4 Apr 06 2010 at 2:55 PM Rating: Decent
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Jordster wrote:
It's going to look just like it does on PS3, and any reasonably good PC will have no problems running it on max.
PS3s are almost as capable as that PC, too. It's really amazing how far consoles have come.
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#5 Apr 06 2010 at 4:43 PM Rating: Decent
flukedrk the Shady wrote:
Thought I'd start out by saying since it's obvious the game will not be on 360 for some time.. I might as well get a beefy PC to play it on.

So here are the prelim specs I am working with on the new machine. Thoughts/complaints/suggestions welcome. Also post yours if you have a build coming in :D

AMD Processor
Gigabyte Mobo
OCZ 6g RAM
WD Caviar Black 1tb HDD
Sapphire Vapor-X 5870
Antec Nine Hundred Case
Corsair Modular PSU

If you guys out there see anything you think I could save some money on without losing too much performance, please let me know :D


I'm not an enormous fan of AMD...mostly because for the longest time they were seen as the budget knock-offs for people who couldn't afford Intel and the image just stuck. I'm not saying that's the case...just my own personal prejudice.

The Sapphire Vapor-X cards are supposed to be quite nice. I just put together a new rig (build blog link in sig...all that's left to do is install the water cooling and tidy up the cables in the back) and the 5870 in general is a great card, but it runs hot (88 degrees celcius under load) and the fan is noisy as all ****. The Vapor-X cooler is supposed to help with both of those issues. I'm very happy with the Caviar Black HD I bought last autumn (640GB) but I'd keep a very close eye on SSD prices as well. A 60-80GB SSD for Windows + a game or two is sweet. Very sweet. I tend not to have a wide array of games I play on a regular basis so for me, having an SSD where I can keep my OS + current favorite titles for performance and then another HDD (or in my case, 2 HDDs :P) for storage and media is very nice.

I'd also take a close look at cases. The Antec 900 was great for its time but I put all my new goodies in a Coolermaster HAF and don't regret spending that little bit of extra money for a larger case. This is the first PC I've had where the case received almost as much consideration as the main components. The extra space and performance-related features really do make a substantial difference. For an air-cooled system, a HAF 932 full tower will fit everything you'd ever want to put into it with a good amount of room for airflow around everything (and lots of stock fans to drive said airflow). My roommate has an Antec 900 and he's not really happy with it...especially once he saw the HAF Smiley: sly

Edit to add: If you haven't already done so, I'd highly suggest taking a look at an aftermarket CPU cooler. There are some really nice ones on the market these days and the Intel i5/i7 processors love to be overclocked. I wouldn't overclock one on the stock heat sink + fan, but if you have a few extra bucks to throw at it you can get a beefy unit that will help you safely get the most out of your new components.

Second edit to add: Corsair modular PSUs are the cat's pajamas. If I had been able to get my hands on one, I'd be running my new rig on one right now. They had a 950W Corsiar PSU on the shelf the last time I was at the computer store but it was one of the non-modular models. Both the 850W and 1000W units are sold out in my area with a relatively lengthy waiting list. My sole consolation is that my new PSU has racing stripes. Smiley: tongue

Edited, Apr 6th 2010 4:03pm by AureliusSir
#6 Apr 06 2010 at 4:57 PM Rating: Decent
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Do you guys think this rig run it well? What should I update before FFXIV comes out?

My build:
Intel Core2 Quad Q8300 @ 2.50 GHz
8 GB RAM DDR2
Windows 7 64
Nvidea GeForce GT 220
22" HD TV
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#7 Apr 06 2010 at 5:14 PM Rating: Good
As far as the case goes, I just threw something in there for the time being, nothing is set in stone as it's all prelim. I have heard some positives and negatives as far as processor goes. My buddy did a rebuild on what I put up and changed virtually everything around, went i7 930 with a different board and ram. He's also wanting me to look into the gtx 480's but seeing as how nvidia have been on the "meh" borderline. Also, I was looking into aftermarket heatsinks, not sure if I'll go with a zalman or something else.

Mithrandrk:

You should do well but I think your video card could use an upgrade. I've heard the gt 200 series was pretty bleh. Also not sure about the older model quad you listed but I am under the assumption it would run it well.
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#8 Apr 06 2010 at 5:33 PM Rating: Decent
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@flukedrk - I have have been a fan of nvidia for years ... My last 3 cards have all been nvidia, and I'm still very happy with my GTX260, which still sells for 75% of what I paid for it over 1.5 years later. That being said, if I was buying a new card right now, I'd go Radeon all the way. I pretty much put my faith in Tomshardware.com (they've never let me down!) and they are all raging about how awesome ATIs current line is.

@mithrandrk - If you want to upgrade anything, upgrade the video card. Your system is pretty decent aside from the graphics card and the aging, but certainly not terrible, DDR2-based system.
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#9 Apr 06 2010 at 5:35 PM Rating: Decent
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Zackary wrote:
Jordster wrote:
It's going to look just like it does on PS3, and any reasonably good PC will have no problems running it on max.
PS3s are almost as capable as that PC, too. It's really amazing how far consoles have come.


There is no comparison between the power of a $1000 (read- Average) gaming PC and a PS3. The PS3 is a very efficient system, and is an awesome gaming system that Sony should be proud of, but in terms of brute processing and graphics rendering power, it's more equivalent to a ~3 year old $1000 PC.
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#10 Apr 06 2010 at 5:44 PM Rating: Good
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@flukedrk - I have have been a fan of nvidia for years ... My last 3 cards have all been nvidia, and I'm still very happy with my GTX260, which still sells for 75% of what I paid for it over 1.5 years later. That being said, if I was buying a new card right now, I'd go Radeon all the way. I pretty much put my faith in Tomshardware.com (they've never let me down!) and they are all raging about how awesome ATIs current line is.


My first "High end" system I built I used an nVidia Ti4600.. It crapped out on me within a month (playing SoF2) switched to a Radeon 9800XT and used that beast until like 3 years ago. Got a 7900GTX and **** was that a **** card. Used that until my c2d died. Now I just have my laptop, my mac and my 360. I too have been watching tomshardware and as you say, the 5870 is a rockin card.

Edit: I speel gud.

Edited, Apr 6th 2010 7:45pm by flukedrk
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#11 Apr 06 2010 at 5:47 PM Rating: Default
flukedrk the Shady wrote:
As far as the case goes, I just threw something in there for the time being, nothing is set in stone as it's all prelim. I have heard some positives and negatives as far as processor goes. My buddy did a rebuild on what I put up and changed virtually everything around, went i7 930 with a different board and ram. He's also wanting me to look into the gtx 480's but seeing as how nvidia have been on the "meh" borderline. Also, I was looking into aftermarket heatsinks, not sure if I'll go with a zalman or something else.


My roommate was crowing about how the GTX 480s supposed to outperform the Radeon 5870s and cost about the same. I had to school him on supply vs. demand and sure enough, the 480s are selling for about $120 more than a beefy 5870. Performance is looking to be better with the nVidia cards and SLI performance is showing up as being through the roof in early benchmarks, but it'll be a while before your average conservative build is running 480 x 2. And in my case, it will be months before there will be a ready supply of water blocks for the 480s, so I'll remain quite happy with my 5870 and look forward to adding a second one later this year.
#12 Apr 06 2010 at 5:51 PM Rating: Good
I think on newegg the 480's are like 50 bucks more than the vapor-x 5870 but every single one of them are sold out, lol. There are so many choices, good thing I have months to flesh out exactly what I can and can't do before FFXIV is even slated to release.
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#13 Apr 06 2010 at 7:46 PM Rating: Decent
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Looking for some help with what my crappy graphics card can actually do... I bought a laptop for travel and work with just the default Intel Graphics Media Accelerator HD card in it. With 4gb ddr3 ram and a i3 processor it runs games like WoW, LOTRO, and even EVE: Online maxed with no trouble or lag. Now granted, WoW isn't exactly a hog, but both LOTRO and Eve: Online shows me as a horrible fail according to that "Can You Run It?" website, but both run with no problems at all. The site says I failed their test because of the graphics card, stating that I need at least a 64MB card. But it also shows that I have 1.7G of video ram available for gaming (I'm assuming that's all shared from the 4G system ram). Are those games I mentioned old enough that it's not a problem, and all that extra shared memory is picking up the slack?

Anyway, long story somewhat short, any chance at all of running XIV? I play XI on X360 or I'd pop it in the laptop to check. Thanks.

Windows 7
Intel Core i3 CPU M 330 @2.13Ghz (3MB cache)
4GB Shared Dual Channel DDR3 RAM @1066
#14 Apr 06 2010 at 8:08 PM Rating: Default
Endreck wrote:
Looking for some help with what my crappy graphics card can actually do... I bought a laptop for travel and work with just the default Intel Graphics Media Accelerator HD card in it. With 4gb ddr3 ram and a i3 processor it runs games like WoW, LOTRO, and even EVE: Online maxed with no trouble or lag. Now granted, WoW isn't exactly a hog, but both LOTRO and Eve: Online shows me as a horrible fail according to that "Can You Run It?" website, but both run with no problems at all. The site says I failed their test because of the graphics card, stating that I need at least a 64MB card. But it also shows that I have 1.7G of video ram available for gaming (I'm assuming that's all shared from the 4G system ram). Are those games I mentioned old enough that it's not a problem, and all that extra shared memory is picking up the slack?

Anyway, long story somewhat short, any chance at all of running XIV? I play XI on X360 or I'd pop it in the laptop to check. Thanks.

Windows 7
Intel Core i3 CPU M 330 @2.13Ghz (3MB cache)
4GB Shared Dual Channel DDR3 RAM @1066


Ya, Windows will show more RAM than what your card physically has because it shares some of your system RAM with the video card. Please don't take this as an accusation that you're being dishonest, but I'm using LOTRO as my "MMO test platform" right now since it's a) an MMO and b) one of the most graphically demanding MMOs on the market right now. With my desktop PC I can run at truly max settings but my video card gets rather toasty. If you haven't already done so, I'd suggest going into the video setup for LOTRO and going through each category manually and setting to the highest settings (note: some of them show as "HIGH" for a number of categories where the maximum value is actually "ULTRA HIGH"). Make sure those are all cranked right up and if your laptop doesn't slow down to a slideshow-esque shenanigan (or melt on your desk ;D), it's a pretty safe bet that you're good to go for FFXIV at reasonable settings.
#15 Apr 06 2010 at 8:08 PM Rating: Good
Endreck wrote:
Looking for some help with what my crappy graphics card can actually do... I bought a laptop for travel and work with just the default Intel Graphics Media Accelerator HD card in it. With 4gb ddr3 ram and a i3 processor it runs games like WoW, LOTRO, and even EVE: Online maxed with no trouble or lag. Now granted, WoW isn't exactly a hog, but both LOTRO and Eve: Online shows me as a horrible fail according to that "Can You Run It?" website, but both run with no problems at all. The site says I failed their test because of the graphics card, stating that I need at least a 64MB card. But it also shows that I have 1.7G of video ram available for gaming (I'm assuming that's all shared from the 4G system ram). Are those games I mentioned old enough that it's not a problem, and all that extra shared memory is picking up the slack?

Anyway, long story somewhat short, any chance at all of running XIV? I play XI on X360 or I'd pop it in the laptop to check. Thanks.

Windows 7
Intel Core i3 CPU M 330 @2.13Ghz (3MB cache)
4GB Shared Dual Channel DDR3 RAM @1066


I honestly think you'll run into some problems with the gfx card. The games you listed are quite dated.
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#16 Apr 06 2010 at 8:43 PM Rating: Decent
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if i were you i'd get an Intel CPU.
#17 Apr 06 2010 at 8:48 PM Rating: Decent
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Just ran the FFXI benchmark 3 and got 2330 on High, and 3414 on Low. Not great, but playable probably. Though who knows what that will mean for XIV. Meh... still could use a serious upgrade to a real vid card though haha. Anyway, thanks all for the help.
#18 Apr 06 2010 at 9:24 PM Rating: Default
flukedrk the Shady wrote:
Endreck wrote:
Looking for some help with what my crappy graphics card can actually do... I bought a laptop for travel and work with just the default Intel Graphics Media Accelerator HD card in it. With 4gb ddr3 ram and a i3 processor it runs games like WoW, LOTRO, and even EVE: Online maxed with no trouble or lag. Now granted, WoW isn't exactly a hog, but both LOTRO and Eve: Online shows me as a horrible fail according to that "Can You Run It?" website, but both run with no problems at all. The site says I failed their test because of the graphics card, stating that I need at least a 64MB card. But it also shows that I have 1.7G of video ram available for gaming (I'm assuming that's all shared from the 4G system ram). Are those games I mentioned old enough that it's not a problem, and all that extra shared memory is picking up the slack?

Anyway, long story somewhat short, any chance at all of running XIV? I play XI on X360 or I'd pop it in the laptop to check. Thanks.

Windows 7
Intel Core i3 CPU M 330 @2.13Ghz (3MB cache)
4GB Shared Dual Channel DDR3 RAM @1066


I honestly think you'll run into some problems with the gfx card. The games you listed are quite dated.


WoW and LOTRO have both either undergone noteworthy updates to their graphics engines and/or were fairly demanding at first launch. LOTRO is the only MMO I know of right now that supports DX10 (Aion might...not sure) and they're working on a patch to implement DX11. At the time LOTRO launched (2006?) you had to have a top-of-the-line rig to run it with maxed settings and even now you still need a pretty ballsy setup to run everything truly maxed. If a rig can run LOTRO very well, it'll handle FFXIV.
#19 Apr 06 2010 at 9:54 PM Rating: Good
Endreck wrote:
Just ran the FFXI benchmark 3 and got 2330 on High, and 3414 on Low. Not great, but playable probably. Though who knows what that will mean for XIV. Meh... still could use a serious upgrade to a real vid card though haha. Anyway, thanks all for the help.


Odd, I just ran it myself, got a 3952 on low but a 2041 on high.. Hmm.
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#20 Apr 06 2010 at 10:19 PM Rating: Default
flukedrk the Shady wrote:
Endreck wrote:
Just ran the FFXI benchmark 3 and got 2330 on High, and 3414 on Low. Not great, but playable probably. Though who knows what that will mean for XIV. Meh... still could use a serious upgrade to a real vid card though haha. Anyway, thanks all for the help.


Odd, I just ran it myself, got a 3952 on low but a 2041 on high.. Hmm.


I just downloaded the benchmark for gits and shiggles and ran it. Wound up with 10529-L and 8483-H.

Lewl.
#21 Apr 06 2010 at 10:31 PM Rating: Good
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This was the build that I had in mind for when I'm building. This pretty comparable in price to yours. With optical drive and Windows 7 the price tops out at $1420.91. I would wager that this build would be a little bit better on future-proofing though cause the Phenom II X4 and it's platform does seem a bit dated, but that's just my opinion.

i7 930 2.8Ghz Bloomfield - $294.99
Gigabyte MoBo GA-X58A-UD5 - $289.99
GSkill 6GB (3x2GB) DDR3 1333 Triple Channel - $169.99
WD 640GB 7200rpm HD - $74.99
HIS Radeon 4870 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 - $170.99
Antec twelve hundred - $199.99
Antec TPQ-850 850W SLI/Crossfire $179.99


For the average person I think something like this should suffice. With optical drive and Windows 7 it tops out at $818.97

i5 750 Lynnfield 2.66 Ghz - $194.99
Gigabyte MoBo GA-P55-USB3 - $119.99
GSkill 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 1333 - $198.99
WD 500GB 7200rpm - $69.99
Radeon HD 4670 1Gb 128-bit DDR3 - $74.99
Antec 300 Case - $59.95
Antec 550W PSU - $64.99
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#22 Apr 06 2010 at 10:32 PM Rating: Decent
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Jordster wrote:
Zackary wrote:
Jordster wrote:
It's going to look just like it does on PS3, and any reasonably good PC will have no problems running it on max.
PS3s are almost as capable as that PC, too. It's really amazing how far consoles have come.


There is no comparison between the power of a $1000 (read- Average) gaming PC and a PS3. The PS3 is a very efficient system, and is an awesome gaming system that Sony should be proud of, but in terms of brute processing and graphics rendering power, it's more equivalent to a ~3 year old $1000 PC.
I said almost, eh? I remember when my Playstation could barely play CDs.

Edited, Apr 7th 2010 12:33am by Zackary
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#23 Apr 06 2010 at 10:51 PM Rating: Good
K so I have taken the advice of the lot of you here and updated my system as follows:


Intel Core i7-930 Bloomfield 2.8GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Model BX80601930 - Retail - $294.99
CORSAIR DOMINATOR 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Triple Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model TR3X6G1600C8D - Retail - $229.99
ZALMAN CNPS9700 LED 110mm 2 Ball CPU Cooler - Retail - $48.99
COOLER MASTER HAF 932 RC-932-KKN1-GP Black Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case - Retail - $159.98
ASUS P6X58D Premium LGA 1366 Intel X58 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail - $309.99

Subtotal = $2214.87

The full list of parts

Edit: Completely offtopic, but how does one get the scholar thing on their name?

Edited, Apr 7th 2010 1:07am by flukedrk
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#24 Apr 06 2010 at 11:16 PM Rating: Decent


Looks decent. The Zalman CPU cooler is well rated, but you might want to take a look at the Noctua NH D14 as an alternative because...lol. Just...lol. Your current subtotal is just a little bit lower than mine came out to be (before the SSD >.<) but I didn't get a new monitor and I did get a boatload of water cooling bits and pieces so it balances out.

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Make useful contributions that people appreciate enough to rate you up and your karma score (which can no longer be seen by users because people tended to whine about it) will increase. When it reaches a certain threshold, you get Scholar status. Make people even happier and you go up to Sage and ultimately, Guru. Generally speaking, if your information/topics are good and you don't pick too many losing fights (or winning fights with lots of the wrong people) your karma will take care of itself.
#25 Apr 06 2010 at 11:20 PM Rating: Good
Oh yeah, I like that heatsink, but man is it a beast haha. I have updated the wish list to reflect it. Might have to get some different fans, don't really dig the peach/brown color scheme.

Edit: Also yeah, I have to get a new monitor, my old samsung just wont cut it :P And thanks for the info on the scholar bit. Must have to be scholar or something to rate someone, doesn't give me the option.

Edited, Apr 7th 2010 1:24am by flukedrk
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#26 Apr 06 2010 at 11:30 PM Rating: Decent
flukedrk the Shady wrote:
Oh yeah, I like that heatsink, but man is it a beast haha. I have updated the wish list to reflect it. Might have to get some different fans, don't really dig the peach/brown color scheme.


I'm not a...fan...of the color either Smiley: sly, but they're **** nice fans. Very, very quiet for the CFM they produce. I've got three of their 120mm fans attached to my radiator right now with all three running full bore and they're audible but by no means loud. You can get better looking fans that move a lot of air but they tend to be noisy. Depending on where you put your rig relative to where you sit, that might not be a consideration for you but in my case, my PC sits about 3 feet from my head so quiet = good. Also, my fans aren't in such a conspicuous location in the case compared to where they'd be if they were attached to a CPU cooler.

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Yes, the rate option becomes available at Scholar and above to keep the non-contributors from playing silly games with other peoples' karma.

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#27 Apr 06 2010 at 11:35 PM Rating: Decent
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There's an article from Nvidia's magazine that says SE is optimizing the game for their cards. Has this been important in the past for other games they say are "optimized" with them, or is it just **** lies?
#28 Apr 06 2010 at 11:46 PM Rating: Decent
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flukedrk the Shady wrote:

I'm not getting it just for FFXIV, so I want it to be a good rock for future games. Also is the i5 really better than the quad AMD? If that's the case I have to switch around the mobo too, any suggestions on those? (I've mostly only built amd systems since I was a kid)


One method you can use to stress test your machine to know if it can run most newer console ports is to play an older game that is also a console port. Something like the first Gears Of War on PC is a great way to know if your going to be able to handle most games from the 360. I cant think of any examples for the PS3 off the top of my head that would be an equally good test bed though.

Chances are if you can run a previous, but very pretty console port from a specific system then all future games that are also ported will run about the same. For the most part the PC market has been forced to stagnate due to most devs these days working pretty much exclusively on console games thus making it somewhat less important to splurge on the highest end stuff anymore. However allot of this can hinge on the types of settings you have access to and the overall quality of the PC port.

SE has been pretty stringent on client diversification however maybe they have changed their minds and allow unique options for the pc version..
By the looks of it, imo, running this game in an 18 person alliance is going to be a good deal more demanding than most games though. Consoles biggest weakness is memory though... *shrugs*

Ritsusei wrote:
There's an article from Nvidia's magazine that says SE is optimizing the game for their cards. Has this been important in the past for other games they say are "optimized" with them, or is it just **** lies?


I could be wrong on this but usually that's a pretty big deal...

Edited, Apr 7th 2010 1:47am by thorazinekizzez
#29 Apr 06 2010 at 11:46 PM Rating: Good
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There's an article from Nvidia's magazine that says SE is optimizing the game for their cards. Has this been important in the past for other games they say are "optimized" with them, or is it just **** lies?


To me, no it never really made a difference.

@Aurelius; That is a good point, my case will be probably around the same distance so yeah, quiet = better. I also never like getting feedback into the mic on vent lol.
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#30 Apr 06 2010 at 11:48 PM Rating: Decent
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@Fluke

Which operating system, Win7 x32 or x64?

Some of the 5k series users (including 5870) have had problems with the card crashing or freezing their system under Win 7 x64. Not that they're bad cards, I have one in my new system, but it has some issues under x64.
#31 Apr 06 2010 at 11:51 PM Rating: Good
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Which operating system, Win7 x32 or x64?

Some of the 5k series users (including 5870) have had problems with the card crashing or freezing their system under Win 7 x64. Not that they're bad cards, I have one in my new system, but it has some issues under x64.


Good question, I actually have my Win7 x64 already here at my house. What kind of issues are you having? The crashing and freezing? Also is there any feedback on why this is happening? Driver issues/overheating?
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#32 Apr 07 2010 at 12:04 AM Rating: Decent
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There's an article from Nvidia's magazine that says SE is optimizing the game for their cards. Has this been important in the past for other games they say are "optimized" with them, or is it just **** lies?


To me, no it never really made a difference.

@Aurelius; That is a good point, my case will be probably around the same distance so yeah, quiet = better. I also never like getting feedback into the mic on vent lol.


The HAF is a very quiet case with the stock fans, which is a bit surprising considering it comes with 3 240mm fans and another 140mm fan pushing air out the back. I wouldn't hesitate to overclock a new CPU in an air cooled HAF (with the right CPU cooler, of course) which is saying a lot. My previous PC case had an opening in the left side panel for a plastic tube to direct airflow off the stock CPU cooler and another (very) small grill drilled into the same panel for indirect airflow. That's the case that saw my Radeon 4850 overheat at 103+ degrees C and force a system shutdown...several times. MMOs can be surprisingly demanding when you get into highly populated areas with lots of player models running around, even moreso if there's also some fairly intense combat going on. If you overclock your CPU and haven't addressed overall system cooling, things can get ugly. Current series Intel multi-core CPUs that aren't overclocked are like *** without the foreplay...good, but could be so much better...
#33 Apr 07 2010 at 12:05 AM Rating: Default
flukedrk the Shady wrote:
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Which operating system, Win7 x32 or x64?

Some of the 5k series users (including 5870) have had problems with the card crashing or freezing their system under Win 7 x64. Not that they're bad cards, I have one in my new system, but it has some issues under x64.


Good question, I actually have my Win7 x64 already here at my house. What kind of issues are you having? The crashing and freezing? Also is there any feedback on why this is happening? Driver issues/overheating?


There were some driver difficulties with 5870 cards under Win 7 x64 when it first went live, but those have been mostly ironed out. I've read of a variety of issues people have had but I'm running with the drivers that were updated just this past March and haven't had any issues thus far.
#34 Apr 07 2010 at 12:08 AM Rating: Good
Ah shew, that's a relief, bit my nails for a second there. Wow, is it really already 2am? Sleep will never take me! :D Sadly enough I just can't shake the feeling that the pc and ps3 version aren't going to be much different. :(
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#35 Apr 07 2010 at 12:13 AM Rating: Decent
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Ah shew, that's a relief, bit my nails for a second there. Wow, is it really already 2am? Sleep will never take me! :D Sadly enough I just can't shake the feeling that the pc and ps3 version aren't going to be much different. :(


My roommate was telling me that this latest batch of drivers was something AMD had been saving for the release of Fermi and apparently fully unlock the 5870's potential. That might explain the toasty temperatures I've been seeing on my card over the last few days, but I haven't personally read anything to confirm. (Roommate was saying something to the order of a 30% situational performance increase compared to the previous drivers). Could be rumor, could be bang on. Hard to say right now.
#36 Apr 07 2010 at 12:15 AM Rating: Good
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flukedrk the Shady wrote:
Ah shew, that's a relief, bit my nails for a second there. Wow, is it really already 2am? Sleep will never take me! :D Sadly enough I just can't shake the feeling that the pc and ps3 version aren't going to be much different. :(


My roommate was telling me that this latest batch of drivers was something AMD had been saving for the release of Fermi and apparently fully unlock the 5870's potential. That might explain the toasty temperatures I've been seeing on my card over the last few days, but I haven't personally read anything to confirm. (Roommate was saying something to the order of a 30% situational performance increase compared to the previous drivers). Could be rumor, could be bang on. Hard to say right now.


You said you are using the Vapor-X right? How toasty are we talking? idle/load

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#37 Apr 07 2010 at 12:32 AM Rating: Decent
flukedrk the Shady wrote:
AureliusSir the Mundane wrote:
flukedrk the Shady wrote:
Ah shew, that's a relief, bit my nails for a second there. Wow, is it really already 2am? Sleep will never take me! :D Sadly enough I just can't shake the feeling that the pc and ps3 version aren't going to be much different. :(


My roommate was telling me that this latest batch of drivers was something AMD had been saving for the release of Fermi and apparently fully unlock the 5870's potential. That might explain the toasty temperatures I've been seeing on my card over the last few days, but I haven't personally read anything to confirm. (Roommate was saying something to the order of a 30% situational performance increase compared to the previous drivers). Could be rumor, could be bang on. Hard to say right now.


You said you are using the Vapor-X right? How toasty are we talking? idle/load


I'm using a fairly plain Diamond Radeon 5870. If I wasn't planning on water cooling it I'd have probably gone with the Vapor-X because it's tough finding a good aftermarket GPU cooler, but as it stands under load (LOTRO with fully maxed settings at 1680x1050) I hit a pretty steady 88 degrees. I think the highest the fan went was 48% of max speed and even then it sounded like a hair dryer (ie. LOUD). I've read a lot of good things about the Vapor-X cooler though. It's sort of like a pseudo-hybrid (yes, I just made up that term) of a water/air cool mix (there's no liquid in it, but it uses similar principles).

Edit: Steady 61 degrees idle.

Edited, Apr 6th 2010 11:33pm by AureliusSir
#38 Apr 07 2010 at 12:36 AM Rating: Decent
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Wondering what you guys would suggest as far as a gaming sound card.

I'm thinking affordable but effective.

Edited, Apr 7th 2010 1:40am by Raiendel
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#39 Apr 07 2010 at 12:39 AM Rating: Good
That's actually not terrible but what's your case temp looking like? Also from what I have read the Vapor-X really does look like the one I will go with. As I start to piece it together you can bet I'll be taking pics and posting it up on here.

More tech talk though, any of you out there have questions about your own system, need help building or just general info? Ask away, I speak for myself but I'm sure Aurelius wouldn't mind lending a hand or foot or I guess opinion lol! :D
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#40 Apr 07 2010 at 12:53 AM Rating: Decent
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Wondering what you guys would suggest as far as a gaming sound card.

I'm thinking affordable but effective.


I've been using the same Sound Blaster Audigy 2 card for the last 8 years now and have never had any problems with it (aside from a fewer hiccups between OS revisions when the drivers weren't quite up to snuff). It supports 5.1 surround and the sound quality is perfectly adequate for all but the most dedicated audiophiles. My motherboard has onboard Realtek 7.1 audio, but I don't have 7.1 speakers so I've opted to stick with what I know works well. I do, however, recommend reading numerous reviews for any card you're considering since there's a pretty wide range in prices these days and some of the less expensive cards tend to have issues.
#41 Apr 07 2010 at 12:53 AM Rating: Good
Raiendel wrote:
Wondering what you guys would suggest as far as a gaming sound card.

I'm thinking affordable but effective.

Edited, Apr 7th 2010 1:40am by Raiendel


What kind of system setup are you running and what version windows?
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#42 Apr 07 2010 at 12:59 AM Rating: Decent
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That's actually not terrible but what's your case temp looking like? Also from what I have read the Vapor-X really does look like the one I will go with. As I start to piece it together you can bet I'll be taking pics and posting it up on here.


My overall case temperature hovers in between 24-28 degrees, but I've yet to run it with both side panels on. With the left side panel on I tend to see a 5-8 degree temp increase on the CPU, but the thermal paste is still curing and the panel-off overall CPU temp has gone down 2-3 degrees since I put the stock heatsink/fan back on a few days ago. Right now my CPU is sitting at 26 degrees (core temps are 40-44) with both side panels off. I haven't checked GPU temps with the side panel on yet...and probably won't get a chance to because I'll be finishing the water cooling installation tomorrow at which point all temps under air will be moot :P Long story short, CPU core temps seem to be roughly ambient + 15-20 degrees idle, GPU ambient + 40 degrees idle.
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Processor - AMD Athlon™ II

Processor Speed - 2.8GHz

System Bus - 4000MHz

Cache Memory - 2MB on die Level 2

System Memory (RAM)- 6GB

System Memory (RAM) Expandable To - 16GB

Type of Memory (RAM) - DDR3 SDRAM

Hard Drive Type - SATA

Hard Drive Size - 1TB

Graphics - NVIDIA GeForce 9100

Video Memory - 256MB (shared); up to 2943MB total available as allocated by Windows 7


Edited, Apr 7th 2010 3:00am by Meraris
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#44 Apr 07 2010 at 1:04 AM Rating: Good
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flukedrk the Shady wrote:
That's actually not terrible but what's your case temp looking like? Also from what I have read the Vapor-X really does look like the one I will go with. As I start to piece it together you can bet I'll be taking pics and posting it up on here.


My overall case temperature hovers in between 24-28 degrees, but I've yet to run it with both side panels on. With the left side panel on I tend to see a 5-8 degree temp increase on the CPU, but the thermal paste is still curing and the panel-off overall CPU temp has gone down 2-3 degrees since I put the stock heatsink/fan back on a few days ago. Right now my CPU is sitting at 26 degrees (core temps are 40-44) with both side panels off. I haven't checked GPU temps with the side panel on yet...and probably won't get a chance to because I'll be finishing the water cooling installation tomorrow at which point all temps under air will be moot :P Long story short, CPU core temps seem to be roughly ambient + 15-20 degrees idle, GPU ambient + 40 degrees idle.


That actually sounds **** good for stock cooling. I will be watching the blog for photos as you install the watercooling also!

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Processor - AMD Athlon™ II
Processor Speed - 2.8GHz
System Bus - 4000MHz
Cache Memory - 2MB on die Level 2
System Memory (RAM)- 6GB
System Memory (RAM) Expandable To - 16GB
Type of Memory (RAM) - DDR3 SDRAM
Hard Drive Type - SATA
Hard Drive Size - 1TB
Graphics - NVIDIA GeForce 9100
Video Memory - 256MB (shared); up to 2943MB total available as allocated by Windows 7


The only major upgrade I can see for you is the video card. If I'm not mistaken the 9100 is integrated, which as a general rule of thumb aren't the best bang for your gfx buck. Depending on what you're looking to spend, you can get a pretty good card for less than $300 bones.
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#45 Apr 07 2010 at 1:19 AM Rating: Decent
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That actually sounds **** good for stock cooling. I will be watching the blog for photos as you install the watercooling also!


Ya, for cooling under air if I didn't plan to overclock I'd be more than happy. And even overclocked I'd be happy with the CPU temps if I could keep them under 55-60 degrees on air, but the GPU right now is looking to be the monster that needs taming. 88 degrees isn't horrible but it's still a bit high and I wouldn't dream of overclocking with stock settings producing temps like that. It's a bit tough to get accurate case temperatures right now not only because the side panels are virtually always off, but because the temperature probes connected to my fan controller are all coiled up in the 5.25 drive bay where the controller is :P

All I plan on using this rig for is gaming, basic office software and CAD goodies, but the water cooling is integral to my next project and I wanted some experience working with it before I moved forward pretending to be somewhat knowledgeable on the subject :P I'm pretty confident that FFXIV will run at very high (if not maxed) settings on day one and if anything, I'll be disappointed if SE overlooks DX11 entirely. If Turbine can add DX11 support for LOTRO, SE has the resources to do it for FFXIV.

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Processor - AMD Athlon™ II
Processor Speed - 2.8GHz
System Bus - 4000MHz
Cache Memory - 2MB on die Level 2
System Memory (RAM)- 6GB
System Memory (RAM) Expandable To - 16GB
Type of Memory (RAM) - DDR3 SDRAM
Hard Drive Type - SATA
Hard Drive Size - 1TB
Graphics - NVIDIA GeForce 9100
Video Memory - 256MB (shared); up to 2943MB total available as allocated by Windows 7


The only major upgrade I can see for you is the video card. If I'm not mistaken the 9100 is integrated, which as a general rule of thumb aren't the best bang for your gfx buck. Depending on what you're looking to spend, you can get a pretty good card for less than $300 bones.


I agree. Onboard video is functional but a far cry from good. Even a previous generation graphics card (ie. Radeon 4xxx series or nVidia 2xx) will show a dramatic performance increase over onboard video. RAM is good, processor speed is good, just the video could use a nudge upwards.
#46 Apr 07 2010 at 1:25 AM Rating: Good
Surely there are more of you out there with questions :) It's only 3:30 am on the east coast. Let us have it. Also if you don't know the specs of your current computer or aren't sure how to find out, we can gladly help you with that too.
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I would stay away from sapphire GPU's they are cheap and there is a reason why, they use cheap components and they are quick to overheat.

Edited, Apr 7th 2010 3:38am by Diakar
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#48 Apr 07 2010 at 1:37 AM Rating: Decent
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I would stay away from sapphire GPU's they are cheap and there is a reason why, they use cheap components and they are quick to overheat.


My 4850 is a Sapphire and I wouldn't buy another one. That's the card that liked to overheat. And what's worse, it was while playing an SE console port (The Last Remnant) that it had the most difficulties. That was with a different engine, however (TLR used the Unreal engine). I've read a lot of good reviews of Sapphire cards but I wasn't impressed.
#49 Apr 07 2010 at 1:37 AM Rating: Good
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I would stay away from sapphire GPU's they are cheap and there is a reason why, they use cheap components and they are quick to overheat.


I would love to read where you got this information from. Not being a douche, but as highly rated as the Vapor-X 5870 is, that's a little hard to believe. As always, please do post it and I will certainly look it over.
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Personal experience, I currently own a 4870 not running anything besides the desktop at the moment and its at 80c, no room for overclocking my PC would explode.

Edited, Apr 7th 2010 3:42am by Diakar
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#51 Apr 07 2010 at 1:46 AM Rating: Good
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Personal experience, I currently own a 4870 not running anything besides the desktop at the moment and its at 80c, no room for overclocking my PC would explode.

Edited, Apr 7th 2010 3:42am by Diakar


Ah, I've definitely been there.. good read here however. http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/sapphire_hd5870_5750_vaporx/
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