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#52 Apr 07 2010 at 10:39 AM Rating: Decent
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It's going to look just like it does on PS3, and any reasonably good PC will have no problems running it on max.
PS3s are almost as capable as that PC, too. It's really amazing how far consoles have come.


There is no comparison between the power of a $1000 (read- Average) gaming PC and a PS3. The PS3 is a very efficient system, and is an awesome gaming system that Sony should be proud of, but in terms of brute processing and graphics rendering power, it's more equivalent to a ~3 year old $1000 PC.
I said almost, eh? I remember when my Playstation could barely play CDs.

Edited, Apr 7th 2010 12:33am by Zackary


Almost?

It's not "almost" in terms of the discussion. It's not "almost" on par with a current gaming system unless "current" means "made some time after 2007." In this technological age, 3 years is a long time.

Functionally, they are almost the same. In terms of specs, which is what this discussion is about, it's not even "almost."
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#53 Apr 07 2010 at 10:42 AM Rating: Decent
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I would stay away from sapphire GPU's they are cheap and there is a reason why, they use cheap components and they are quick to overheat.

Edited, Apr 7th 2010 3:38am by Diakar


Sapphire makes BOARDS or CARDS not GPUs.

nVidia and ATI make GPUs.

Personally, I always go with BFG. Lifetime warranties = win. Factory overclock on a board with a lifetime warranty = double win.
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So today, my beautiful girlfriend found me this:

Gateway DX4300-11
Windows 7 64-bit HP
AMD Phenom II X4 805 Quad Core Processor
8 GB DDR2 RAM
integrated ATI Radeon HD3200
1 TB hard drive
8 channel high def audio
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a TV tuner with remote.

New in the box for $403 after tax. Needs a new video card, but otherwise, ****. It's a steal even for scrap parts.

She's a keeper.

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#55 Apr 07 2010 at 10:23 PM Rating: Good
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So today, my beautiful girlfriend found me this:

Gateway DX4300-11
Windows 7 64-bit HP
AMD Phenom II X4 805 Quad Core Processor
8 GB DDR2 RAM
integrated ATI Radeon HD3200
1 TB hard drive
8 channel high def audio
AND
a TV tuner with remote.

New in the box for $403 after tax. Needs a new video card, but otherwise, ****. It's a steal even for scrap parts.

She's a keeper.



That is a **** nice system for that little cheddar, but I would suggest upgrading the cpu and video.. The 805's are a couple gens back for the x4
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#56 Apr 07 2010 at 10:27 PM Rating: Default
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I would stay away from sapphire GPU's they are cheap and there is a reason why, they use cheap components and they are quick to overheat.

Edited, Apr 7th 2010 3:38am by Diakar


Sapphire makes BOARDS or CARDS not GPUs.

nVidia and ATI make GPUs.

Personally, I always go with BFG. Lifetime warranties = win. Factory overclock on a board with a lifetime warranty = double win.


EVGA has a tasty lifetime warranty on their motherboards which I like. I was going to go XFX for my first pick video card but they were out of stock. Not lifetime warranty, but modder friendly. There was some confusion about just how "modder friendly" they really were but in the end it didn't matter because factory overclocked cards tend to be incompatible with most full cover water blocks and having finally installed my water cooling loop and seen the difference it makes, especially in GPU temps atm, card manufacturers can take their factory overclocks and ram them directly in their poopers...
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K so I have taken the advice of the lot of you here and updated my system as follows:


Intel Core i7-930 Bloomfield 2.8GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Model BX80601930 - Retail - $294.99


I'd highly recommend going for the Lynnfield line of i7's instead of the Bloomfield, as they're a newer revision of the chip and have several significant improvements. In particular, the 860 has the same clock speed as the 930 and is about $15 cheaper. Plus newer motherboards tend to have LGA 1156 sockets rather than LGA 1366, so you have more options there.

Check this article for more comprehensive details: http://anandtech.com/show/2832
#58 Apr 08 2010 at 3:51 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm a 360 user myself but I'll be opting for the cheaper solution of just buying a PS3 when the time comes.

It'll be nice only have to pay the one subscription fee, haha.
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#59 Apr 08 2010 at 11:59 AM Rating: Good
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I'm a 360 user myself but I'll be opting for the cheaper solution of just buying a PS3 when the time comes.

It'll be nice only have to pay the one subscription fee, haha.


I thought about this as well. The only problem I face is that I'm a true keyboard and mouse user (read: mad micro) plus seeing as how decent my little laptop can run wow, I just want a new system that will chew new games up and spit them out. ;D
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Unless there is a PC game out *right now* that you want to play, but can't, I would recommend not building a PC for a little while.

FFXIV is going to be the latter quarter of the year, at best, Starcraft 2 will likely be the same time or next year, and Diablo 3 hasn't even started beta. With the way nVidia and ATI are duking it out right now on the DX11 cards, and the expected 2nd gen cards from ATI, you may want to hold off for a bit. When the next ATI cards are released, you can expect the current cards to drop substantially, allowing you to pick them up cheaper, or grabbing the new top tier card for $4-500.

The video card alone should save you a few hundred dollars or net you substantially more performance in 6 months, and the prices on everything else are likely to fall as well.
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I'm a lurker too, and if you're going to drop 2k+ on a gaming pc, why not grab a 1080p Sager machine with a SSD? Fantastic gaming machine AND you can play it at work or school, or at a friend's house if you know a few local people that'll be playing along side you. I picked one up from Xotic PC (one of several resellers there are many options) and they also put custom skins on. I think right now most of the models are using a choice of NVidia 285m GTXs & Mobile Radeon 5870s.

Reason why I recommend the SSD in the laptop, is that most of the time the HD is located under one of the palm rests, and those can heat up a bit. This is, of course, in addition to the speed benefits that a SSD provides.
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I thought about this as well. The only problem I face is that I'm a true keyboard and mouse user (read: mad micro) plus seeing as how decent my little laptop can run wow, I just want a new system that will chew new games up and spit them out. ;D


Not sure what Mad Micro means exactly (did you mean Mad Macro's?) but every USB keyboard I've tried has worked on my PS3/XBox360/Wii so that won't be limiting you.

with regards to SSD's in laptops, I wouldn't get one for the heat. Most newer SSDs consume just as much as most Newer Laptop drives @ ~2.5w what they do is have .1ms access times compared to the ~12ms and up access times and 200MB/sec+ sequential reads vs around 100MB/sec.

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#63 Apr 08 2010 at 2:21 PM Rating: Good
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I'm a lurker too, and if you're going to drop 2k+ on a gaming pc, why not grab a 1080p Sager machine with a SSD? Fantastic gaming machine AND you can play it at work or school, or at a friend's house if you know a few local people that'll be playing along side you. I picked one up from Xotic PC (one of several resellers there are many options) and they also put custom skins on. I think right now most of the models are using a choice of NVidia 285m GTXs & Mobile Radeon 5870s.

Reason why I recommend the SSD in the laptop, is that most of the time the HD is located under one of the palm rests, and those can heat up a bit. This is, of course, in addition to the speed benefits that a SSD provides.


Don't really want another laptop though. I prefer the larger stay at home machines where if something goes wrong I don't have to worry about voiding a warranty or anything just to fix it.

Also I didn't plan on slapping one together for at least a month, however if the need arises, I might. I am looking into an SSD though for sure, not positive if I really want to pay the price for very little storage though.

I did look into the lynnfields, and those may be an option. We will see what happens when fiancee finds out about this :D
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I've posted in another tech thread and thought I'd ask some more stuff here. I'm looking to get a new desktop sometime this summer that can run FFXIV/Starcraft2/Diablo 3 on a budget of about $1400-1700. Thing is, I'm not good with building computers or knowing what parts go together etc. I was looking to get a built desktop off newegg. The issue is, I don't know a whole lot about some of the companies whose desktops newegg sells. I'm currently eyeing this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883227240

I've never heard of iBuyPower before though, and I don't want to end up with something overpriced and prone to breaking. Do you guys know anything about iBuyPower or CyberPower? Also, is that particular PC good for the price? I probably won't buy until May/June or July so I'm sure something new might show up or prices might go down. Thanks
#65 Apr 08 2010 at 4:17 PM Rating: Default
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I've posted in another tech thread and thought I'd ask some more stuff here. I'm looking to get a new desktop sometime this summer that can run FFXIV/Starcraft2/Diablo 3 on a budget of about $1400-1700. Thing is, I'm not good with building computers or knowing what parts go together etc. I was looking to get a built desktop off newegg. The issue is, I don't know a whole lot about some of the companies whose desktops newegg sells. I'm currently eyeing this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883227240

I've never heard of iBuyPower before though, and I don't want to end up with something overpriced and prone to breaking. Do you guys know anything about iBuyPower or CyberPower? Also, is that particular PC good for the price? I probably won't buy until May/June or July so I'm sure something new might show up or prices might go down. Thanks


Components look fine. As always, they exclude any details on the motherboard, but it comes with enough bawls right out of the box that even if it's a modest motherboard you should be fine. One thing I did note under the special features section:

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NZXT Lexa S Gaming Tower
CPU Cooling: iBUYPOWER Gaming LiquidCooling-Overclock Ready


I'd take a very close look at that. "Self-contained" CPU water cooling units are becoming a bit more common but you have to make the personal decision about whether or not you're comfortable taking the risk of having water cooling components in your system. They're generally quite safe, but if it fails and leaks, you run the risk of having your entire rig destroyed. With a standard CPU heat sink + fan (the normal air cooling option for most PCs), if the unit fails it's usually a case of a fan conking out, in which case they almost always have sensors connected to the motherboard that will signal a fan failure. As well, modern processors come with their own built-in temperature sensors that will force a system shutdown if the temperature goes beyond a certain threshold. In short, there are safety features built in to prevent system damage in an air cooled system. Conversely, if a water cooled system springs a leak somewhere, there is currently no way at all to detect it unless you can actually see it, and most people aren't watching their PCs guts every minute of every hour while they're using the PC.

I'm not trying to scare you off...I just installed a custom water cooling system into my new build and I absolutely love it so far, but it's something you want to be aware of and make your own choice based on your own comfort level. At the very least, I recommend you research (or even e-mail Newegg and inquire about) the nature of the CPU cooler in that PC. If you don't like the idea of water cooling, you can swap out that cooler for a very nice aftermarket air cooler for $40-100.

Edit: Bit of info on the iBuyPower liquid cooler. Looks to be extremely similar to the Corsair H50 cooler. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me to find the iBuyPower unit is made by Corsair and just branded as iBuyPower.

Edited, Apr 8th 2010 3:33pm by AureliusSir
#66 Apr 08 2010 at 6:09 PM Rating: Good
I specc'd out a similar machine on ibuypower to the one i'm putting together, ~300 bucks cheaper but I also can't part it piece by piece. I think way I have chosen to do this will be the best for me :D Although that liquid cooling thing does appeal to me. and the HAF does have the room... Hmmm what do you think Aurelius?
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Unless you take the time to piece together great liquid cooling components its a waste of money. Save your money and get one of the top ranked air coolers and you'll be more or less in the same league even heavily overclocked.
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#68 Apr 08 2010 at 9:22 PM Rating: Default
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I specc'd out a similar machine on ibuypower to the one i'm putting together, ~300 bucks cheaper but I also can't part it piece by piece. I think way I have chosen to do this will be the best for me :D Although that liquid cooling thing does appeal to me. and the HAF does have the room... Hmmm what do you think Aurelius?


Use at your own risk.

That having been said, water cooling will produce superior results. Not so superior that air cooling becomes a poor option, but I'd like to see sub-ambient idle CPU surface temps on an air cooled rig. The numbers don't lie, but it's really a function of personal preference or more specifically, tolerance for risk.
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Most likely going to use a PS3 to play for awhile, wish it was coming to 360 at launch.
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#70 Apr 08 2010 at 10:42 PM Rating: Good
AureliusSir the Mundane wrote:
flukedrk the Shady wrote:
I specc'd out a similar machine on ibuypower to the one i'm putting together, ~300 bucks cheaper but I also can't part it piece by piece. I think way I have chosen to do this will be the best for me :D Although that liquid cooling thing does appeal to me. and the HAF does have the room... Hmmm what do you think Aurelius?


Use at your own risk.

That having been said, water cooling will produce superior results. Not so superior that air cooling becomes a poor option, but I'd like to see sub-ambient idle CPU surface temps on an air cooled rig. The numbers don't lie, but it's really a function of personal preference or more specifically, tolerance for risk.


Alright so let's see a video of your water cooling system running! Also let's see your gauges idle/load :D
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#71 Apr 09 2010 at 12:44 AM Rating: Default
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AureliusSir the Mundane wrote:
flukedrk the Shady wrote:
I specc'd out a similar machine on ibuypower to the one i'm putting together, ~300 bucks cheaper but I also can't part it piece by piece. I think way I have chosen to do this will be the best for me :D Although that liquid cooling thing does appeal to me. and the HAF does have the room... Hmmm what do you think Aurelius?


Use at your own risk.

That having been said, water cooling will produce superior results. Not so superior that air cooling becomes a poor option, but I'd like to see sub-ambient idle CPU surface temps on an air cooled rig. The numbers don't lie, but it's really a function of personal preference or more specifically, tolerance for risk.


Alright so let's see a video of your water cooling system running! Also let's see your gauges idle/load :D


No video camera D:

My idle temps with fans on manual (100% all fans) are 19-20C CPU surface, 33-36C cores, 28-30C GPU. (24C ambient)
Intel Burn Test (maximum setting) pushed cores to 52C max.
FurMark 1.8 XTreme Burning Mode 8X AA didn't push the GPU over 40C after 5 mins. This on a card that was sitting at 66C idle (88C under load playing LOTRO at maxed settings) when I was using the stock air cooler Smiley: waycool
#72 Apr 09 2010 at 12:56 AM Rating: Good
AureliusSir the Mundane wrote:
flukedrk the Shady wrote:
AureliusSir the Mundane wrote:
flukedrk the Shady wrote:
I specc'd out a similar machine on ibuypower to the one i'm putting together, ~300 bucks cheaper but I also can't part it piece by piece. I think way I have chosen to do this will be the best for me :D Although that liquid cooling thing does appeal to me. and the HAF does have the room... Hmmm what do you think Aurelius?


Use at your own risk.

That having been said, water cooling will produce superior results. Not so superior that air cooling becomes a poor option, but I'd like to see sub-ambient idle CPU surface temps on an air cooled rig. The numbers don't lie, but it's really a function of personal preference or more specifically, tolerance for risk.


Alright so let's see a video of your water cooling system running! Also let's see your gauges idle/load :D


No video camera D:

My idle temps with fans on manual (100% all fans) are 19-20C CPU surface, 33-36C cores, 28-30C GPU. (24C ambient)
Intel Burn Test (maximum setting) pushed cores to 52C max.
FurMark 1.8 XTreme Burning Mode 8X AA didn't push the GPU over 40C after 5 mins. This on a card that was sitting at 66C idle (88C under load playing LOTRO at maxed settings) when I was using the stock air cooler Smiley: waycool


I showed my fiancee the video of the water cooling system that was leaking. Her first question was "doesn't water hurt electrical thingies?" I had to chuckle and then tried to explain it to her. She doesn't understand why I would wanna do that. I digress, it looks like I may end up going with the corsair system. As someone that has no experience with it, how difficult would you say the setup is 1-10?

On a side note, it doesn't look like I'll be able to get her to play, she barely wants to touch my 360, or a PS3, let alone me building her a rig to sit in front of. She says she's perfectly happy with her SNES as she puts it. lol.
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#73 Apr 09 2010 at 1:12 AM Rating: Default
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I showed my fiancee the video of the water cooling system that was leaking. Her first question was "doesn't water hurt electrical thingies?" I had to chuckle and then tried to explain it to her. She doesn't understand why I would wanna do that. I digress, it looks like I may end up going with the corsair system. As someone that has no experience with it, how difficult would you say the setup is 1-10?


For the Corsair unit, it's about as complex as installing a case fan and a CPU heatsink. It comes fully assembled...you don't have to run any tubing between components or worry about pumps and reservoirs. For a fully modular WC loop, the installation is still pretty straightforward; it just requires some research and a bit of planning around how you want to run your loop. As a related aside (re: your gf's question), custom water cooled systems are usually filled with coolant that has distilled water as its base. (Water is not conductive; the minerals in the water are what make it conductive so if you get water that has had all of the minerals and other impurities removed via distillation). What exactly Corsair fills their self contained coolers with, I have no idea, but over time the water will pick up impurities and become conductive again.

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On a side note, it doesn't look like I'll be able to get her to play, she barely wants to touch my 360, or a PS3, let alone me building her a rig to sit in front of. She says she's perfectly happy with her SNES as she puts it. lol.


Show her a panicking lalafel. If that doesn't convince her, nothing will.

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Anyone knows a guide for custom PC building ?

You guys made me wanna look into that

And nice journal Aurelius, by the way.
#75 Apr 09 2010 at 7:11 AM Rating: Good
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Anyone knows a guide for custom PC building ?

You guys made me wanna look into that

And nice journal Aurelius, by the way.


A quick youtube search can net you most anything to do with assembly, but what are you looking for specifically?
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Anyone knows a guide for custom PC building ?

You guys made me wanna look into that

And nice journal Aurelius, by the way.


Most of what you need to know will come in instructions with the individual components. It pays to do some research online if there are some things you're not familiar with. There's tons of information from and endless variety of sources that can answer any questions you might have. Youtube is a great source as there are tons of builders with video blogs on anything you might want to know from painting cases to installing components to custom water cooling. I'm sure that if you looked you could find a complete guide somewhere, but there will always be slight variations from one rig to the next. I find reading up on those kinds of things to be fun (I'm almost disappointed that my build is nearly done despite all of the minor aggravations along the way). The main thing is not to get overwhelmed by the dorkspeak. A lot of product reviews and build guides are done by people who are extremely knowledgeable about what they're doing and it can get a bit heavy when they start rattling off sub-components and specifications but you don't necessarily need to know all of that to safely build your own custom rig.
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To be honest, I mostly know what-do-what in a computer. I also did computer classes in college 4 years ago which gave me some basis of computer building (and was also the course I was actually the most interested in).

Problem is my knowledge about compatibilities between components and inter-viability between them. Since the course I had was basicly technical (put this, put that, install this, power on, access BIOS,...(so on)), this is what I miss.

I will take the Youtube suggestion, thanks a bunch.

I also had the idea of doing some low-budget building with used parts to start it...
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To be honest, I mostly know what-do-what in a computer. I also did computer classes in college 4 years ago which gave me some basis of computer building (and was also the course I was actually the most interested in).

Problem is my knowledge about compatibilities between components and inter-viability between them. Since the course I had was basicly technical (put this, put that, install this, power on, access BIOS,...(so on)), this is what I miss.

I will take the Youtube suggestion, thanks a bunch.

I also had the idea of doing some low-budget building with used parts to start it...


You'll probably find when you start poking around for components that if you start with the motherboard, everything else sort of falls into place. Most motherboards clearly state what kind of processor socket they have, for example, and then when you go looking around at processors, they'll tell you what socket type they use. Same thing for RAM. A new motherboard these days is going to support either dual or triple channel DDR3 RAM, so once you know from your motherboard specs what kind of RAM it supports, it's easy to track down something that will work. Those are largely the only things you need to worry about in terms of compatibility for a custom build. HDDs, SSDs, optical drives, video cards, etc. are all pretty straightforward. Sound cards, I've noticed, can be oddly dicey depending on what motherboard you select. Best advice there is to not skimp on the motherboard anyways and unless you're going for a monster build, everything else will be fairly straightforward.

The two areas where I've learned it's not in your best interest to cut corners is with the motherboard and power supply. You can upgrade virtually any other component on down the line but it starts to suck when you realize that your motherboard is restricting your upgrade options, or when you start frying components because you bought a cheap-o power supply that is either failing or was never capable of delivering the appropriate amount of power.

One thing that I found very helpful for this most recent build (having not assembled a fully custom rig for so long) was to browse the website of your favorite retailer (or e-tailer) for components that look good and match your budget, and then google reviews on those components and read up on their overall quality and performance.
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funfact: sub ambient temperatures on "normal" watercooling (read as non peltier, non evaporative etc) are a physical impossibility and a testament to how inaccurate onboard sensors are.
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#81 Apr 09 2010 at 4:30 PM Rating: Default
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funfact: sub ambient temperatures on "normal" watercooling (read as non peltier, non evaporative etc) are a physical impossibility and a testament to how inaccurate onboard sensors are.


Accounting for inaccurate onboard sensors, it's still extremely difficult to get most modern CPUs to stay within a couple of degrees of ambient temperature on air.
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K you guys are making me feel a lot better about maybe not needing to upgrade after all..

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You are going to want to upgrade your graphics card to at least GTX 280, ATI 4870 or better. Reports on alpha performance showed that anyone with anything less than those cards suffered fps lag.

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Average FPS, 15-20 (game engine caps at 30...)

Felt too laggish overall, definitly need a build better than that.

Doesn't look like it uses multicores either but I could be wrong... my taskbar is definitly stuck at 50% CPU usage.
#84 Apr 09 2010 at 6:30 PM Rating: Good
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You are going to want to upgrade your graphics card to at least GTX 280, ATI 4870 or better. Reports on alpha performance showed that anyone with anything less than those cards suffered fps lag.

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C2D E6550 2900MHZ
GTX260 (o/c'd to 280 frequencies)

Average FPS, 15-20 (game engine caps at 30...)

Felt too laggish overall, definitly need a build better than that.

Doesn't look like it uses multicores either but I could be wrong... my taskbar is definitly stuck at 50% CPU usage.


Oh ffs, they're hardcapping the game at 30fps again? What a load of crap.

On a side note, Aurelius, I totally forgot I had a 7900gtx laying in my closet, totally might just build something around that for piddly games. With a c2d something or other. muahaha. Perhaps fiancee's machine will come to light afterall.
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flukedrk the Shady wrote:
Oh ffs, they're hardcapping the game at 30fps again? What a load of crap.

On a side note, Aurelius, I totally forgot I had a 7900gtx laying in my closet, totally might just build something around that for piddly games. With a c2d something or other. muahaha. Perhaps fiancee's machine will come to light afterall.


Only for the Alpha, but you also have to remember that the game is unoptimized and is set at a 1280 x 720 resolution.
#86 Apr 10 2010 at 5:01 AM Rating: Excellent
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I just spent 1370€ to get this:

CPU - i7 920 2.66Ghz
MOBO - ASUS P6T Deluxe V2 Core I7
HDD - Maxtor 500GB SATA2 [x2]
CASE - Cooler Master Elite 335
GPU - ATI HD5770 GDDR5 1GB
RAM - DDR3 KINGSTON 2GB 1333Mhz [x4]
MONITOR - ASUS VH203D 20" (16:9)
Other things.

Now if this doesn't kill FFXIV (or any other thing for that matter), I will.
#87 Apr 10 2010 at 7:03 AM Rating: Good
Eeri wrote:
I just spent 1370€ to get this:

CPU - i7 920 2.66Ghz
MOBO - ASUS P6T Deluxe V2 Core I7
HDD - Maxtor 500GB SATA2 [x2]
CASE - Cooler Master Elite 335
GPU - ATI HD5770 GDDR5 1GB
RAM - DDR3 KINGSTON 2GB 1333Mhz [x4]
MONITOR - ASUS VH203D 20" (16:9)
Other things.

Now if this doesn't kill FFXIV (or any other thing for that matter), I will.


Certainly looks like one that will smash it. Although why'd you go for the 20"? Bigger is always better when it comes to monitors! lol.

Also, hope Squeenix makes use of the logitech G15 somehow! :P
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#88 Apr 10 2010 at 7:15 AM Rating: Excellent
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flukedrk the Shady wrote:
Although why'd you go for the 20"? Bigger is always better when it comes to monitors! lol.


Sadly I don't have much space on my desk for a bigger monitor ><
I mean I can't keep a decent distance from it already, getting it bigger would be worse,
#89 Apr 10 2010 at 7:48 AM Rating: Good
Eeri wrote:
flukedrk the Shady wrote:
Although why'd you go for the 20"? Bigger is always better when it comes to monitors! lol.


Sadly I don't have much space on my desk for a bigger monitor ><
I mean I can't keep a decent distance from it already, getting it bigger would be worse,


Ahh well that certainly makes sense. Lol
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#90 Apr 10 2010 at 8:06 AM Rating: Good
I built my PC over a year ago now, nothing fancy. 2.5ghz E5200, Oc'd to 3.4ghz, 4gigs ram, BFG GTX 260, and it runs all current games next to flawlessly on a 28inch monitor with 1920x1200 resolution. This setup a year ago (minus the monitor obviously), cost me 500$ Canadian. Anything similar to this and even quite inferior to this will run FFXIV without a hitch. MMO's are never made to beat the crap out of a computer, there would just be too much lag beyond the connection speed.
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#91 Apr 10 2010 at 8:09 AM Rating: Decent
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I doubt I will be using the PC to play this game but here my specs (built May 09):

Case:
Silverstone Raven

Water Cooling:
Swiftech MCP655-B
8x YATE LOON 120mm High speed
Black Ice GT stealth 240
Dangerden Fillport
Plastic Tubing Clamps
1/2" T Line
ClearFLEX 60 Tubing 1/2" ID
Fitting Thread Sealant Tape
Danger Den MC-TDX
Feser One Non Conductive Cooling Fluid UV Green
2x 8" CCFL UV lights

PC:
Lite-On 20x
2x WD 320GB
WD 1TB
i7 920 Nehalem
EVGA X58
Corsair 850TX
Sunbeam Rheobus
2 XFX GTX285s 1GB
Samsung 26" LCD
Corsair Dominator 6GB DDR3
Samsung DVD drive
Silverstone Multicard Reader
Wacom Pen Tablet
Logitech MX Revolution
Logitech 920
Sennheiser HD-555
Logitech Z-2300
#92 Apr 10 2010 at 10:36 AM Rating: Good
Chiguiri wrote:
I doubt I will be using the PC to play this game but here my specs (built May 09):

Case:
Silverstone Raven

Water Cooling:
Swiftech MCP655-B
8x YATE LOON 120mm High speed
Black Ice GT stealth 240
Dangerden Fillport
Plastic Tubing Clamps
1/2" T Line
ClearFLEX 60 Tubing 1/2" ID
Fitting Thread Sealant Tape
Danger Den MC-TDX
Feser One Non Conductive Cooling Fluid UV Green
2x 8" CCFL UV lights

PC:
Lite-On 20x
2x WD 320GB
WD 1TB
i7 920 Nehalem
EVGA X58
Corsair 850TX
Sunbeam Rheobus
2 XFX GTX285s 1GB
Samsung 26" LCD
Corsair Dominator 6GB DDR3
Samsung DVD drive
Silverstone Multicard Reader
Wacom Pen Tablet
Logitech MX Revolution
Logitech 920
Sennheiser HD-555
Logitech Z-2300


I don't see why you wouldn't use that rig, it's pretty beefy. Unless you prefer consoles.
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#93 Apr 10 2010 at 11:26 AM Rating: Decent
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Reason is because I played FFXI for almost 3.5 years on the 360. The comfort of my couch and using big screen tv will be better for me I think. I will probably still buy it for PC in case I can't use my PS3 or something but I prefer using ps3 to be honest.
#94 Apr 10 2010 at 12:27 PM Rating: Good
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malcolmtn wrote:
You are going to want to upgrade your graphics card to at least GTX 280, ATI 4870 or better. Reports on alpha performance showed that anyone with anything less than those cards suffered fps lag.

This is taken from BG
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C2D E6550 2900MHZ
GTX260 (o/c'd to 280 frequencies)

Average FPS, 15-20 (game engine caps at 30...)

Felt too laggish overall, definitly need a build better than that.

Doesn't look like it uses multicores either but I could be wrong... my taskbar is definitly stuck at 50% CPU usage.


I think this, more than any leaks about the game's content, is why they're worried about keeping alpha players quiet. The alpha client is unoptimized and limited to windowed mode, with who knows what other restrictions. They directly confirmed in an earlier interview that the game would have multi-core support. So this obviously isn't representative of the final product.

Even so, the 30 fps cap thing makes me shudder a little bit, even knowing that it's got to be a side effect of the alpha state or the windowed mode. That kind of performance would be completely unacceptable in a modern game, and they have to realize that.

I shouldn't have read that post.
#95 Apr 10 2010 at 1:37 PM Rating: Good
Borkachev wrote:
malcolmtn wrote:
You are going to want to upgrade your graphics card to at least GTX 280, ATI 4870 or better. Reports on alpha performance showed that anyone with anything less than those cards suffered fps lag.

This is taken from BG
Quote:

C2D E6550 2900MHZ
GTX260 (o/c'd to 280 frequencies)

Average FPS, 15-20 (game engine caps at 30...)

Felt too laggish overall, definitly need a build better than that.

Doesn't look like it uses multicores either but I could be wrong... my taskbar is definitly stuck at 50% CPU usage.


I think this, more than any leaks about the game's content, is why they're worried about keeping alpha players quiet. The alpha client is unoptimized and limited to windowed mode, with who knows what other restrictions. They directly confirmed in an earlier interview that the game would have multi-core support. So this obviously isn't representative of the final product.

Even so, the 30 fps cap thing makes me shudder a little bit, even knowing that it's got to be a side effect of the alpha state or the windowed mode. That kind of performance would be completely unacceptable in a modern game, and they have to realize that.

I shouldn't have read that post.


I completely agree, I hope it won't remain hardcapped at 30fps after alpha/beta. Give me 100+fps or give me SW:ToR :(
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#96 Apr 10 2010 at 1:43 PM Rating: Default
flukedrk the Shady wrote:
Borkachev wrote:
malcolmtn wrote:
You are going to want to upgrade your graphics card to at least GTX 280, ATI 4870 or better. Reports on alpha performance showed that anyone with anything less than those cards suffered fps lag.

This is taken from BG
Quote:

C2D E6550 2900MHZ
GTX260 (o/c'd to 280 frequencies)

Average FPS, 15-20 (game engine caps at 30...)

Felt too laggish overall, definitly need a build better than that.

Doesn't look like it uses multicores either but I could be wrong... my taskbar is definitly stuck at 50% CPU usage.


I think this, more than any leaks about the game's content, is why they're worried about keeping alpha players quiet. The alpha client is unoptimized and limited to windowed mode, with who knows what other restrictions. They directly confirmed in an earlier interview that the game would have multi-core support. So this obviously isn't representative of the final product.

Even so, the 30 fps cap thing makes me shudder a little bit, even knowing that it's got to be a side effect of the alpha state or the windowed mode. That kind of performance would be completely unacceptable in a modern game, and they have to realize that.

I shouldn't have read that post.


I completely agree, I hope it won't remain hardcapped at 30fps after alpha/beta. Give me 100+fps or give me SW:ToR :(


If FFXIV pushes the envelope the way the developers have hinted at, I don't think a current rig is going to be breaking 60fps. I just ran Heaven 2.0. With maxed settings under DX10 I was getting 40-80 fps depending on the scene. With maxed settings under DX11 (including extreme tesselation) I dropped to 10-30. Depending on how far ahead Crystal Tools is set up to support, I kind of think that FFXIV will be able to torture current cutting-edge rigs at release.

Well, okay, so you'd probably be able to push 100 fps if you ran at low settings but...hmm. Not for me. I'll happily settle for 40-50fps if it means I can bump up the image quality.
#97 Apr 10 2010 at 1:49 PM Rating: Good
The One and Only AureliusSir wrote:
flukedrk the Shady wrote:
Borkachev wrote:
malcolmtn wrote:
You are going to want to upgrade your graphics card to at least GTX 280, ATI 4870 or better. Reports on alpha performance showed that anyone with anything less than those cards suffered fps lag.

This is taken from BG
Quote:

C2D E6550 2900MHZ
GTX260 (o/c'd to 280 frequencies)

Average FPS, 15-20 (game engine caps at 30...)

Felt too laggish overall, definitly need a build better than that.

Doesn't look like it uses multicores either but I could be wrong... my taskbar is definitly stuck at 50% CPU usage.


I think this, more than any leaks about the game's content, is why they're worried about keeping alpha players quiet. The alpha client is unoptimized and limited to windowed mode, with who knows what other restrictions. They directly confirmed in an earlier interview that the game would have multi-core support. So this obviously isn't representative of the final product.

Even so, the 30 fps cap thing makes me shudder a little bit, even knowing that it's got to be a side effect of the alpha state or the windowed mode. That kind of performance would be completely unacceptable in a modern game, and they have to realize that.

I shouldn't have read that post.


I completely agree, I hope it won't remain hardcapped at 30fps after alpha/beta. Give me 100+fps or give me SW:ToR :(


If FFXIV pushes the envelope the way the developers have hinted at, I don't think a current rig is going to be breaking 60fps. I just ran Heaven 2.0. With maxed settings under DX10 I was getting 40-80 fps depending on the scene. With maxed settings under DX11 (including extreme tesselation) I dropped to 10-30. Depending on how far ahead Crystal Tools is set up to support, I kind of think that FFXIV will be able to torture current cutting-edge rigs at release.

Well, okay, so you'd probably be able to push 100 fps if you ran at low settings but...hmm. Not for me. I'll happily settle for 40-50fps if it means I can bump up the image quality.


In the case that FFXIV can punish the system I'm working on, I will happily settle for anything over 30. I hated running fraps and seeing it bounce from 29-30 every .001 second. Have you done any reading or seen any benchmarks for the new 6 core processors from intel? Those have got me intrigued for the moment.
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#98 Apr 10 2010 at 1:59 PM Rating: Default
flukedrk the Shady wrote:

In the case that FFXIV can punish the system I'm working on, I will happily settle for anything over 30. I hated running fraps and seeing it bounce from 29-30 every .001 second. Have you done any reading or seen any benchmarks for the new 6 core processors from intel? Those have got me intrigued for the moment.


I haven't really seen anything yet. I think from a gaming point of view, it's the GPU that will determine how well a game performs. You'd have to be running some extremely conplex mob AI and combat systems to push a quad core processor to its limits, and most MMOs do all of that server side anyways.

I think the issue with FFXI was that it was developed for PS2 first and then ported to PC. Developing cross-platform from the start will hopefully impose fewer restrictions on PC users with FFXIV.
#99 Apr 10 2010 at 2:27 PM Rating: Good
The One and Only AureliusSir wrote:
flukedrk the Shady wrote:

In the case that FFXIV can punish the system I'm working on, I will happily settle for anything over 30. I hated running fraps and seeing it bounce from 29-30 every .001 second. Have you done any reading or seen any benchmarks for the new 6 core processors from intel? Those have got me intrigued for the moment.


I haven't really seen anything yet. I think from a gaming point of view, it's the GPU that will determine how well a game performs. You'd have to be running some extremely conplex mob AI and combat systems to push a quad core processor to its limits, and most MMOs do all of that server side anyways.

I think the issue with FFXI was that it was developed for PS2 first and then ported to PC. Developing cross-platform from the start will hopefully impose fewer restrictions on PC users with FFXIV.


On the positive side at least we know windowed mode will be in from the beginning, lol. How long did that take for FFXI? A good 5 years? I am in debt to the person that made the original windower :) I will probably get a ps3 for the fiancee if I can't find the right parts for the pieces I already have.
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#100 Apr 10 2010 at 5:47 PM Rating: Decent
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Just a general question: How long does it take for a component to go down in price? I know it obviously varies depending on what component it is / supply in demand, but in general? For instance, would buying a comp at the beginning of the summer vs the end of the summer really make a big difference as far as what I end up paying?
#101 Apr 10 2010 at 5:57 PM Rating: Decent
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Accounting for inaccurate onboard sensors, it's still extremely difficult to get most modern CPUs to stay within a couple of degrees of ambient temperature on air.


Well since we are accepting on-board sensors, my IFX-14 with 3x fans on 800-900rpm (inaudible in my case) cooling a i7-920 @ 4.0Ghz at 21c Says Hello, it also loads at 70c on the hottest core with a synthetic stability testing program (which is quite good) ;)

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