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#202 May 06 2010 at 3:29 AM Rating: Good
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AnaraWarren wrote:
I'm not very tech savvy at all, but I have put aside a chunk of money to buy a new system closer to the release date. However, there is one thing I'm not sure about.

This computer will be hooked up to our 40 inch tv - this one (I think, we got it last summer). We have it hooked up to our best PC at the moment, but have had some issues. Playing Mass Effect 2 (PC) on it, I had to really lower the resolution settings to help with the various issues the game had on the PC. Computer couldn't handle it on a high res.

I want to be able to play FFXIV at the highest resolution possible on the tv, so what kind of specifics am I looking for in buying?


Make sure that you pick a Video Card for your new rig with Native HDMI Output (Becoming somewhat standard these days). A card with DVI out using a HDMI adapter can be messy at times. With that TV in mind I would be sure to have a HDMI cable straight from the PC to the set.

Another thing you will want to do is to check the exact resolution and Refresh rate of the TV and make a custom profile on your PC to match it. There are many programs that let you do this.

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My last computer had issues with fans. Bought it from a place here in the city and will never go back there again, they kept insisting that the fans were fine and wouldn't replace them or anything when after 20 minutes of gaming the fans would start a high-pitched whining and I had to turn the computer off every couple hours to cool down.


There are some low-tech plug and play Water Cooling solutions out there. I have am using the Corsair H50, a self containted unit that doesnt require the normal planning of other WC setups.

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Not looking for something crazy, just that will play games at max settings for a few years or more. Suggestions of graphics cards, too, would be great. Wouldn't have a problem buying a system outright and asking them to switch in some components before I take it home.


Head to Newegg.com and use their search system to plan out your rig. If you are curious about what other people are using with a certain component, just check the User comment and see what their rig is. You can compare that way quite easily. In your case I would for instance filter video cards with HDMI. There are a ton of GeForce 260+'s with HDMI out of the box. Evga comes to mind.
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#203 May 06 2010 at 5:47 AM Rating: Good
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Thanks so much, will start looking into everything.
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#204 May 06 2010 at 6:18 AM Rating: Decent
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^ skip the H50 and get a Noctua D14 aircooler, just check to make sure its on your motherboard compatibility list. High end watercooling is great but anything less is watercooling for the sake of watercooling.

I just can't understand the previous poster building a 1500 machine and spending good money everywhere but the video card. There is even self contradiction. When you are building a gaming pc, the video card is in almost all situations the most important part.

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#205 May 06 2010 at 9:28 AM Rating: Good
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The reason for not spending a huge chunk now is because prices are gonna drop a bit after we see the 2nd gen Direct X11 ATI's coming in the fall and the first gen direct x 11 from nVidia.

In all likelihood, the current high ends will fall to 200-300 range very fast (before FFXIV), there's no reason why the current high ends are priced the way they are except for the have Direct X 11 first mentality. Proof of this is the fact that prices on video cards have gone UP (against all usual logic) since they were released (in what, OCt or Nov last year?).

Why pay premium for cards just to have DirectX 11 first (especially considering not much uses it)? Wait for the 2nd gen DirectX 11 cards from ATI (coming in fall) and First gen mid range cards from nVidia (coming in a month). If prices drop majorly, a 5770 will be cheap enough that you don't regret chucking it but good enough so that if the high ends don't drop as much as they should when 2nd gen ATI comes out, you can pop in a second and Xfire it for comparable results to a single 5850. Chances are you'll see a sub $100 5770 when 2nd gen ATI comes out.

Computer products get old fast so I'm not a fan of overspending. Did that in my youth, not so tempting now with mortgage and car payments.

Part of the advantage of buying a PC is not having to buy a whole new thing unless you skipped an entire generation round due to buying a laptop (like me although I did it for work not just gaming).

Edited, May 6th 2010 11:34am by Aiph

Edit: skip the Noctua and opt for the Scythe Mugen instead or if your doing minor overclocks, use a CM 212+ -> look up reviews on Tom's Hardware

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#206 May 06 2010 at 12:28 PM Rating: Good
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Levish wrote:
^ skip the H50 and get a Noctua D14 aircooler, just check to make sure its on your motherboard compatibility list. High end watercooling is great but anything less is watercooling for the sake of watercooling.

I just can't understand the previous poster building a 1500 machine and spending good money everywhere but the video card. There is even self contradiction. When you are building a gaming pc, the video card is in almost all situations the most important part.


No offense, but you would make a lousy consultant. Giving good advice is not about what you personally think is the cat's meow, its listening to what a person needs and then coming up with a solution that fits their criteria.

AnaraWarren specifically mentioned his distaste for softball sized CPU Fans. Never the less you recommended... a Noctua? Which in my opinion, is the bulkiest of them all. You did not even mention why you would recommend that that beast over the H50. Read his post again, do you honestly think that he is interested in spending his first time panning a rig around how to fit that thing in a case? This is someone that has never built a PC before, the point is to make it entry level, fun to put together, but still high end enough to suit his needs.

The H50 is not "water cooling for the sake of water cooling". That is a very poor and obviously second hand observation. The H50 is cheaper than your recommendation, 1/4 the size, absolutely silent, easy to install and a great mid-end solution for cooling that fits the posters criteria. It will also keep his setup at 35C without a problem. Something tells me that AnaraWarren is not interested in a bleeding edge rig that requires sitting in front of a Bios screen for a week overclocking.

Wait a minute... he actually says so in his post right here, imagine that.
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I'm not very tech savvy at all, but I have put aside a chunk of money to buy a new system ...<later>... Not looking for something crazy.


Lastly, out of everything needed to build a Gaming PC, which component is the only one that avoids market saturation? If you have a constrained budget initially when building a brand new rig, why would you devote the majority of that to the latest GPU? Seriously...? That is horrible advice to give someone that is planning out a new rig from scratch. So skip a nice case and choosing quality, higher end components that will not be replaced for years... in place of a... VideoCard that sees itself put on the closeout bin with 6 months? Where is the logic in that?

Just in case you are not understanding what I am saying, let me put it this way:
Would it make more sense to tell someone to purchase a $700 video card right now, then purchase better components closer to FFXVI's release?
Or.. Throw that money towards a nice Corsair HX1000 and other similarly nice components right now, then spend the money on a nicer GPU down the line after you have had time to research how the latest R&D cycle is planning out?
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#207 May 17 2010 at 3:15 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm a bit clueless when it comes to computer components, so hoping for some advice. I'm planning on getting a desktop in the next couple months (without spending a fortune) to replace my laptop, which is slowly but surely dying on me. Here's the one I'm looking at:

http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/dell-studio-xps-8100-650-04144013-pdt.html

I'm not sure about the graphics card on this one, though - I've been recommended by a friend to get a GeForce GTS 250 (1GB) instead. Buying a different card to replace it is possible, but would stretch the budget a bit. Any recommendations or advice would be appreciated, please. :)
#208 May 17 2010 at 4:03 PM Rating: Decent
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Personally I'm just praying my macbook pro booted on WinXP will be able to pull it out without any heatsink explosions.
#209 May 17 2010 at 6:18 PM Rating: Default
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Sorry for a question not directly related, but I figured it better to post here than create a whole new thread. I was wondering if a PS3 can take screenshots similar to that on a PC? Including text, menus, etc, all the things normally on the screen? What about video?

It'd be a real let-down if XIV on the PS3 was similar XI on a 360 in this vein - I'd make a push to put together a PC to play on from the start, then. Right now I'm hoping to start on a PS3, provided the media options are good enough. Thanks.
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#210 May 17 2010 at 7:59 PM Rating: Good
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I know you could screenshot FFXI on PS2 just by hitting the select button on the controller. You then accessed the screenshots from PlayOnline, and could email them and such from there.
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