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#1 Apr 11 2010 at 5:24 PM Rating: Decent
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Okay, so, first of all... YES, I know there are a million tech threads similar to this one already, so don't hurt me too badly, ...but the truth is, I CAN'T UNDERSTAND THEM. I may be many things, one of them being an avid gamer, and I grew up on computers, true, but all the tech threads I'm reading are speaking of "duo-core" and "multi-core" processors (how many cores can you have??!! 0.o), video-card with names like "elk789sf#100,000,000", overclocking, different ram speeds (I don't quite understand), and just so many other things that I can't quite put together in my mind. I've always been more of a handheld gamer (but always RPGs), with a classic example being Pokemon, but I've always stayed true to classics console games (...like Final Fantasy, Metal Gear, Call of Duty, etc. I usually don't waste my time bothering with their fanboy-esque based offspring like Dissidia, and such. Forgive my hate.). Final Fantasy was the first MMORPG I've ever played, and it completely changed my life. I've never looked at games the same way, since, and even after my sad departure from the game this year, I have yet to find anything that compares to it. I could go into detail of the epic adventures I've had with friends, the stunning story elements, and the once-breathtaking scenery, but that's not exactly the point of this thread.

I NEED YOUR HELP/OPINION. I'm here, at BestBuy, pre-preparing (it's still early, I know, but I need some advice to get me in the right direction) to play the next generation of the greatest game of all time. I came here, originally, to purchase a PS3, and a T.V., but now I'm here on a laptop, typing this, and I'm wondering if maybe I should be looking at a computer instead. The obvious pit of computer vs. PS3 is that the computer cannot play PS3 games, and the PS3 can't do a lot of computer-esque things, and that's a final decision I'll have to make on my own, but I'm thinking "cost" right now. The fact with a laptop is that you have a TV and a gaming system in one. With a PS3, you have to buy a T.V. to play, but with a computer I can just turn my game on and go. So, that being said, a PS3 slim now costs about $300, and my budget for a 30-40 inch T.V. is about $350... So how much is a really great laptop, that can definitely run FFXIV (and more, I want to be able to play other games, too.) going to cost me if I buy it straight off of the shelf, and WHAT laptop might that be? I want your opinion on the best gaming laptop available right now available for less that one-thousand dollars (before tax).

Screen-size is the least-important issue, but the bigger, the better, considering it's going to be my "T.V.". I'm more concerned with all these things I can't understand like "processors" and "cores" and video cards and such. I really don't know how much of an issue hard drive space is, but I figure 500 gigs would be enough for anyone, almost ever.
#2 Apr 11 2010 at 5:32 PM Rating: Excellent
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I really think your best option is to buy a PS3 and for your $350.00 budget for a T.V you can get a 1080p 27" LCD easily, even a brand name. It will be alot nicer to play the game on 27" HD screen than a smaller laptop screen, given your budget suggests you can't afford a laptop with alot of power and large screen size.

Also it will solve your tech-tarded problem by playing on a console. The only real decision you'll have to make is which TV to buy. For that I recommend the Samsung Touch of Color 1080p, you can get a 25.5" for under your $350.00 budget.
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#3 Apr 11 2010 at 5:35 PM Rating: Decent
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If you're looking for the best gaming laptop available, steer away from Best Buy and to the internet. Big retailers like Dell charge tax on purchasers from taxed states, but smaller retailers don't always do this. xoticpc has amazing hardware, but for $1,000, I don't know that you would be able to go under that. And as for laptops in general, if you're looking to get a laptop to play FF14, you are probably going to have to drop a little more than 1k, because cheap laptops with expensive parts can have heat issues. I would recommend you check with an online retailer that has north-American based customer service and not a company such as Dell, that outsources your calls to call centers in India that don't have any accountability on whether or not they fix your problem. I'll edit this in a sec with what I can find on their website.

Sager NP7652 (Built on Clevo W765CUH) Sager NP7652 (Built on Clevo W765CUH)
- 15.6” HD+ 16:9 LED Backlit Wide screen (1600x900) Super Clear Glare Type Screen
- Standard Dead Pixel Policy
- Intel® Core™ i5-520M, 2.4-2.93GHz, (3MB L3 cache)
- Stock Thermal Compound-
- ATI HD4570 512MB PCI-Express GDDR2
- No External Graphics Card
- No Video Adapter
- ~ 4,096MB DDR3 1333MHz Dual Channel Memory (2 SODIMMS) (Requires 64-Bit to utilize Full 4GB)
- Standard Finish
- ~Combo 8x8x6x4x Dual Layer DVD +/-R/RW 5x DVD-RAM 24x CD-R/RW Drive w/Softwares
- ~ 320GB 7200RPM (Serial-ATA II 300 - 16MB Cache)
- No Back Up Hard Drive
- No Floppy Drive
- Internal 7-in-1 Card Reader (MS/MS Pro/MS Duo/MS Pro Duo/SD/Mini-SD/MMC/RS)
- Internal Bluetooth + EDR
- Built-in 802.11 Wireless A/B/G/N - Stock Wireless Card
- No Network Accessory
- Built in 2.0 Megapixel Camera
- No TV Tuner
- Sound Blaster Compatible 3D Audio - Included
- No Carrying Case
- Smart Li-ion Battery (6-Cell)
- No Car Adapter
- None Standard*
- No Dock/Hub/Adapter
- Integrated Fingerprint Reader
- No External Keyboard or Mouse
- No Notebook Cooler
- ~Windows 7 Home Premium 64-Bit Installed (64&32-Bit CD Included) w/ Drivers & Utilities CD's
- No Office Software
- No Software Bundle
- 1 Year Parts & Labor, Lifetime Sager Toll Free Tech Support
- No Xotic PC Gear

That is the best PC I could build on their website, and it clocks in at exactly $1009, + shipping, and no tax unless you live in Nebraska I think. Increasing your budget to say 1200~1500 would open up a whole new slew of options, but like the previous poster mentioned, you might be better off with a PS3/TV combo.

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#4 Apr 11 2010 at 5:39 PM Rating: Decent
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I agree that the PS3 is the cheaper/best option than getting a new PC, but if we all follow that, than SE can come back and say "PS3" limitations for it's large PS3 user base? ^^;

I'm considering getting the ps3/40" screen combo though :)

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#5 Apr 11 2010 at 5:43 PM Rating: Default
While I did start the other tech thread, I figure I'll give this a shot. First of all what is your total budget and are you more comfortable with a controller + couch or keyboard + mouse?
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#6 Apr 11 2010 at 5:43 PM Rating: Decent
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Also it will solve your tech-tarded problem by playing on a console.


...Well, another thing I failed to confess is that I'm not exactly sure of the limitations of a PS3 vs. computer, so I guess I should look that up. Another reason why I'm considering a computer is that I have a mobile life, and hauling a PS3 and T.V. with me everywhere I go is a tid-bit more difficult than hauling a case with a laptop in it.

Edited, Apr 11th 2010 7:51pm by Maulsont
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While I did start the other tech thread, I figure I'll give this a shot. First of all what is your total budget and are you more comfortable with a controller + couch or keyboard + mouse?


My total budget is "as little as possible". A T.V. and PS3 under $350 is still small-ish, still slightly portable, and also the most I'm willing to spend. I'm not cheap, I just can't afford much more. Which is why my budget for a laptop is at an absolute maximum of $1,000. But, I beleive the abover poster mentioned a laptop at $1009, and that nine dollars would be something I would be willing to live with.

As for the controller, I have absolutely no preference. I'm indifferent. I play all consoles and all types of games. As long as they're good. I feel like Zelda right now.

Maybe I made it unclear that I'm only hardware-stupid, but that's what I meant.
#8 Apr 11 2010 at 5:53 PM Rating: Decent
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I looked at ibuypower and Dell, and I am really having trouble getting more out of the money. The thing you have working for you is time. I would say that, at the absolute earliest, the game could be rushed to shelves by the end of Summer (which wouldn't be a good thing and is unlikely). This means you have time for more technology to develop, and existing technology to depreciate, allowing your dollar to go a little further. If you don't mind pre-owned hardware and bad customer service, the Dell outlet can occasionally post good deals, but you have to be prepared to pull the trigger quickly as everything is as-is and if someone clicks buy before you do, then no dice.
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#9 Apr 11 2010 at 5:55 PM Rating: Default
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flukedrk the Shady wrote:
While I did start the other tech thread, I figure I'll give this a shot. First of all what is your total budget and are you more comfortable with a controller + couch or keyboard + mouse?


My total budget is "as little as possible". A T.V. and PS3 under $350 is still small-ish, still slightly portable, and also the most I'm willing to spend. I'm not cheap, I just can't afford much more. Which is why my budget for a laptop is at an absolute maximum of $1,000. But, I beleive the abover poster mentioned a laptop at $1009, and that nine dollars would be something I would be willing to live with.

As for the controller, I have absolutely no preference. I'm indifferent. I play all consoles and all types of games. As long as they're good. I feel like Zelda right now.

Maybe I made it unclear that I'm only hardware-stupid, but that's what I meant.


I think what the guy posted above is about the best you can do. I can't match that with any of the usual places. Plus sager does make some decent stuff, so that's your option for a gaming laptop.
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If you're trying to be budget smart than your best bet is DEFINITELY the PS3. Not only will a PS3 run XIV at full capacity but you will never have to buy additional hardware for the PS3 to keep XIV running at maximum capacity.

The PS3 is no PC ofcourse but it does have a wealth of other features. I don't know them all as I havn't even picked mine up yet but I'm sure a simple google search could answer all your PS3 questions.

However it's still going to be cheaper than an XIV ready PC. Atleast a PC that will run XIV as well as a PS3 will.
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#11 Apr 11 2010 at 6:02 PM Rating: Decent
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If you're trying to be budget smart than your best bet is DEFINITELY the PS3. Not only will a PS3 run XIV at full capacity but you will never have to buy additional hardware for the PS3 to keep XIV running at maximum capacity.

The PS3 is no PC ofcourse but it does have a wealth of other features. I don't know them all as I havn't even picked mine up yet but I'm sure a simple google search could answer all your PS3 questions.

However it's still going to be cheaper than an XIV ready PC. Atleast a PC that will run XIV as well as a PS3 will.


See this is what I hate, because you can't compare the raw performance of a PC versus a PS3, they are two completely different platforms. The PS3 version will be optimized for the PS3 and will never change. To get the kind of "performance" on a PC that you get on a PS3, you could go pick up a $500 hp computer and voila. The PC is all about pushing the limitations.
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If all you plan on doing is play games I would not suggest getting a laptop. Laptop parts are designed for mobility and heat reduction which means they don't have the same power as a desktop so they have a short life span (in terms of games). I bought an almost top of the line laptop two years ago, not specifically for gaming but had that in mind, and it is already having a hard time playing simple games.

Edited, Apr 11th 2010 6:56pm by Yogtheterrible
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flukedrk the Shady wrote:
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If you're trying to be budget smart than your best bet is DEFINITELY the PS3. Not only will a PS3 run XIV at full capacity but you will never have to buy additional hardware for the PS3 to keep XIV running at maximum capacity.

The PS3 is no PC ofcourse but it does have a wealth of other features. I don't know them all as I havn't even picked mine up yet but I'm sure a simple google search could answer all your PS3 questions.

However it's still going to be cheaper than an XIV ready PC. Atleast a PC that will run XIV as well as a PS3 will.


See this is what I hate, because you can't compare the raw performance of a PC versus a PS3, they are two completely different platforms. The PS3 version will be optimized for the PS3 and will never change. To get the kind of "performance" on a PC that you get on a PS3, you could go pick up a $500 hp computer and voila. The PC is all about pushing the limitations.


Look at the bold, I addressed that.

But to push the limitations you do have to upgrade the PC, something I don't think the OP is willing to do.

I just think for his budget the PS3 is the smarter choice because he will never have to upgrade it and it will always perform at the level it was the day he bought it, that includes running XIV.

Plus the PS3 is definitely more user friendly for someone who isn't tech savvy. You have to agree with me there.
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There is a new Alienware from Dell 11" laptop that is compact and designed specifically for gaming and can run Crysis.

It's called the M11x. It starts at $799, and that is a pretty good price tag for a gaming laptop, roughly equal to a PS3 and a widescreen TV. Here's the URL: http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/alienware-m11x

For unplugged gaming on the go, I recommend buying two additional six-cell battery packs and a carry bag.

Edit: I have owned an 11" laptop that cost me $1,200, and it didn't come with hardware accelleration. The compact size is awesome, but the lack of hardware accelleration sucked. I was amazed to learn about the M11x, lol. If you adjust your specs to have 8 GB of RAM but everything else at default, it will set you back about $1,149. I still think that's a great buy compared to my Latitude laptop. ;p



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Yea and it'll pushes the limitations of his pocket as well which he doesn't want to do lol. As of right now to my knowledge, there is no game on a pc that the ps3 can't easily handle. Maybe in a few years we'll see something, but by that time we'll see the nex gen. of consoles aswell.

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Well since this thread is here, may i ask in general good laptop building websites? (I'm looking under 2,000, more preferably though under 1,500) Any advice apprec.
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#17 Apr 11 2010 at 8:19 PM Rating: Decent
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Well since this thread is here, may i ask in general good laptop building websites? (I'm looking under 2,000, more preferably though under 1,500) Any advice apprec.


http://www.xoticpc.com/ is apparently pretty **** good with configurable laptops. If your budget was a bit bigger I would suggest http://www.falcon-nw.com/ they have some BA gear there to configure.

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If you're trying to be budget smart than your best bet is DEFINITELY the PS3. Not only will a PS3 run XIV at full capacity but you will never have to buy additional hardware for the PS3 to keep XIV running at maximum capacity.

The PS3 is no PC ofcourse but it does have a wealth of other features. I don't know them all as I havn't even picked mine up yet but I'm sure a simple google search could answer all your PS3 questions.

However it's still going to be cheaper than an XIV ready PC. Atleast a PC that will run XIV as well as a PS3 will.


See this is what I hate, because you can't compare the raw performance of a PC versus a PS3, they are two completely different platforms. The PS3 version will be optimized for the PS3 and will never change. To get the kind of "performance" on a PC that you get on a PS3, you could go pick up a $500 hp computer and voila. The PC is all about pushing the limitations.


Look at the bold, I addressed that.

But to push the limitations you do have to upgrade the PC, something I don't think the OP is willing to do.

I just think for his budget the PS3 is the smarter choice because he will never have to upgrade it and it will always perform at the level it was the day he bought it, that includes running XIV.

Plus the PS3 is definitely more user friendly for someone who isn't tech savvy. You have to agree with me there.


I can't argue that, it's true. However I do think for portability, the laptop the dude up there suggested would be the best option for the buck.

Edited, Apr 11th 2010 10:21pm by flukedrk
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I went with Xotic, and although my timing was rather unlucky (a few rather long delays), they actually ended up in me getting a better PC than I would've had before. A 15" 1080p screen is definitely worth the buy as it isn't too small and looks absolutely gorgeous. Although, tbqh, you could always just output your laptop to a TV with an HDMI cable and play it on 50"+ or whatever works for you. The thing to know about Xotic is that they have so many options so it helps to know what you're looking at and read reviews. Some of the older ASUS models had heat issues, whereas Sager has been extremely reliable in reviews. I bought a Sager 8690 and to be honest, I don't know that I ever want to go back to a desktop. It screams, it plays blu-rays, and it is mobile. I can play WoW (for now) or any other game at anyone else's house off their wifi. That is awesome and helps recruit friends when you can bring the game to them :).

The thing to know about laptops in general is this:

Most laptops are built from the same style chassis'. The Sager, Falcon NW, Alienware, and most other highend pcs are usually built on the same style Clevo or Compal chassis'. This is why when you look at similar pcs between different manufacturers, almost all their prices are the same give or take 100 bucks. I mean is it pure coincidence that several models between companies just happen to share the same configurable video, memory, hard-drive, processor, and screen options? Not really. When you get down to the nitty-gritty, customer service, and custom options are often what set these places and their prices apart.
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You can basically build my PC with a slightly better video card and a slightly worse processor for $1499 at Xotic. Minus the blu-ray and SSD of course. I don't think you'd see much, if any, frameloss as most games don't utilize more than a single core. Make sure you shop around though, as I think we're still in a buyer's market so a person who is looking for a computer might be able to make some deals if they look in the right places and make some calls.
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A 15" 1080p screen is definitely worth the buy as it isn't too small and looks absolutely gorgeous. Although, tbqh, you could always just output your laptop to a TV with an HDMI cable and play it on 50"+ or whatever works for you.


While we are talking T.V.s again, do laptops ever have 1080p screens? I don't even know what the 720p and 1080p mean exactly... I could figure that out... but, say I'm investing a certain amount of money into a television... would it be more worth the money to go for the 1080p or a larger screen? Because I noticed smaller televisions that costed more than larger ones, and the only difference between them was the P's. Is FFXIV even going to support one-thousand eighty P's, or will 720 be enough? I guess I don't need my picture to be VERY large, but I don't know if a 15 inch 1080p you/d be worth the same price as a 32 inch 720p...
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A 15" 1080p screen is definitely worth the buy as it isn't too small and looks absolutely gorgeous. Although, tbqh, you could always just output your laptop to a TV with an HDMI cable and play it on 50"+ or whatever works for you.


While we are talking T.V.s again, do laptops ever have 1080p screens? I don't even know what the 720p and 1080p mean exactly... I could figure that out... but, say I'm investing a certain amount of money into a television... would it be more worth the money to go for the 1080p or a larger screen? Because I noticed smaller televisions that costed more than larger ones, and the only difference between them was the P's. Is FFXIV even going to support one-thousand eighty P's, or will 720 be enough? I guess I don't need my picture to be VERY large, but I don't know if a 15 inch 1080p you/d be worth the same price as a 32 inch 720p...


Ok I wanna try to help, so here's what I would do if I was on the exact budget you are now. I would go to gamestop a purchase a refurbished PS3, they run around 200$ I think. You could go with craigslist but that's putting a little too much faith in people if you ask me.

Then I would go to best buy and pick up this HD TV.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?id=pcat17080&type=page&qp=cabcat0101000~~nf397||546f7368696261&list=y&nrp=15&sc=TVVideoSP&sp=-bestsellingsort+skuid&usc=abcat0100000&ref=30&loc=KW-0954&s_kwcid=TC|8070|buy%20toshiba%20tv||S|b|4964924681&gclid=CMG_hqCugKECFYqF7QodwmUDvA

First one at the top of the page. Then you will be fully equipped to enjoy XIV in all it's HD glory for a total price of around 550$. That still leaves what.. 100$ in your price range? You could upgrade a few inches in the TVs size or even just buy a brand new PS3 and still meet your budget requirements.

But hey this is just what I would do. Personally right now I'm gaming on a 40 something inch SD TV and I'm perfectly happy with it and it didn't even cost me 200$, but I will be upgrading to HD soon. Probably when I pick up my PS3 aswell.

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I recently went to a best buy. They had the Asus GZ73J or something like that for $1200. It's modeled after the stealthwing fighter jet or something like that but the specs were pretty good for the price point.

Most impressively, it had an ATI 5870 Mobility Radeon card(ranked 6th best mobile card according to notebookcheck) and at $1200, that's pretty awesome. Had 500GB HDD, 6GB Ram, i7 720 processor, and some other fancy stuff. I'd probably grab one if I had the money and it was 15" instead of 17". Actually, I wish it was 14" since 14 is the perfect size imo.
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While we are talking T.V.s again, do laptops ever have 1080p screens? I don't even know what the 720p and 1080p mean exactly... I could figure that out... but, say I'm investing a certain amount of money into a television... would it be more worth the money to go for the 1080p or a larger screen? Because I noticed smaller televisions that costed more than larger ones, and the only difference between them was the P's. Is FFXIV even going to support one-thousand eighty P's, or will 720 be enough? I guess I don't need my picture to be VERY large, but I don't know if a 15 inch 1080p you/d be worth the same price as a 32 inch 720p...


Yes laptops do have 1080p. The resolution is essentially the amount of pixels so a 1080 screen is 1920x1080. I think a 720p is 1366x768 resolution. A 15" widescreen with a 1920 x 1080 resolution does look amazing, although it is important to note, that running at a high resolution also requires more "muscle" in the PC. You could go with a 1366x768 or 1600x1200 screen and would likely have a better framerate (if noticeable), than say a 1920 x 1080 screen simply because the video card has to render that many more pixels per image.
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As someone who teaches 9th graders about the parts of PCs every semester, I don't think you should act so proud and cynical, as if knowing the parts of a computer is in any way difficult. I teach it to 9th graders in 2 weeks, and then they could tell you about the basics (function, current specs) of everything from hard drives to video cards to CPUs with multiple cores, to monitors.



GET A PS3.

There are no "great" gaming laptops under $1500.

Don't be so proud of being ignorant. A CPU (central processing unit) or "processor" is a computer's brain. A few years ago, Pentium 4 chips pushed the actual processing speed as high as it could go before heat started to become a serious issue. Because it was no longer practical to make chips faster, Intel instead turned to putting multiple processing cores (multiple "brains") on a single chip - allowing a computer to do more processing without an increase to the speed (and heat) at which the CPU operates.

Graphics cards control - you guessed it - graphical data. It gets processed by a separate card so that your CPU doesn't have to worry about the extra work. The model numbers are pretty straightforward, and with an iota of research (you know, a quick "google") you could figure out how good (or bad) any graphics card performs.

That's all there is to it. See - not that complicated.


Edited, Apr 12th 2010 10:24am by Jordster
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#25 Apr 12 2010 at 8:41 AM Rating: Decent
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Yea and it'll pushes the limitations of his pocket as well which he doesn't want to do lol. As of right now to my knowledge, there is no game on a pc that the ps3 can't easily handle. Maybe in a few years we'll see something, but by that time we'll see the nex gen. of consoles aswell.


There are lots of games on PC that the PS3 couldn't handle at the resolution and framerates that a PC can manage, and just because a next gen console comes out doesn't mean that your existing games are going to be able to take advantage of all the new features.

The only reason SE made FFXI for consoles and is making FFXIV for consoles is because most Japanese players do their gaming on consoles and handheld devices. Consoles are a budget alternative elsewhere, but that doesn't mean performance, quality, and longevity become a reasonable comparison. At the time FFXI came to the PS2 in North America, people were arguing that the PS2 was plenty for anything FFXI could throw at it, or at worst, SE would port to the PS3. We all know how that turned out.
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Well if you're going to be a serious FFXIVer you definately want to get a PC for this game. There are numerous advantages, quick reference, chatting, there will more than likely be hacks for the game. Obviously if these things are true, then the PC gamers will have an advantage over console gamers. And by hacks I mean changing the mob's texture or the appearance. Better for claiming.
#27 Apr 12 2010 at 9:07 AM Rating: Good
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Well if you're going to be a serious FFXIVer you definately want to get a PC for this game. There are numerous advantages, quick reference, chatting, there will more than likely be hacks for the game. Obviously if these things are true, then the PC gamers will have an advantage over console gamers. And by hacks I mean changing the mob's texture or the appearance. Better for claiming.


Advocating use of a PC to make cheating easier is pretty lame. Please keep your cheater propaganda off these boards.
#28 Apr 12 2010 at 9:11 AM Rating: Decent
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koderx wrote:
Well if you're going to be a serious FFXIVer you definately want to get a PC for this game. There are numerous advantages, quick reference, chatting, there will more than likely be hacks for the game. Obviously if these things are true, then the PC gamers will have an advantage over console gamers. And by hacks I mean changing the mob's texture or the appearance. Better for claiming.


Advocating use of a PC to make cheating easier is pretty lame. Please keep your cheater propaganda off these boards.


Agreed, that should never be in an arguement for or against pc, just stupid and pathetic.
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There is a new Alienware from Dell 11" laptop that is compact and designed specifically for gaming and can run Crysis.

It's called the M11x. It starts at $799, and that is a pretty good price tag for a gaming laptop, roughly equal to a PS3 and a widescreen TV. Here's the URL: http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/alienware-m11x

For unplugged gaming on the go, I recommend buying two additional six-cell battery packs and a carry bag.

Edit: I have owned an 11" laptop that cost me $1,200, and it didn't come with hardware accelleration. The compact size is awesome, but the lack of hardware accelleration sucked. I was amazed to learn about the M11x, lol. If you adjust your specs to have 8 GB of RAM but everything else at default, it will set you back about $1,149. I still think that's a great buy compared to my Latitude laptop. ;p


Doesn't playing on a 11'' screen defeat the purpose of playing graphically intensive games?
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KatoArabel wrote:
There is a new Alienware from Dell 11" laptop that is compact and designed specifically for gaming and can run Crysis.

It's called the M11x. It starts at $799, and that is a pretty good price tag for a gaming laptop, roughly equal to a PS3 and a widescreen TV. Here's the URL: http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/alienware-m11x

For unplugged gaming on the go, I recommend buying two additional six-cell battery packs and a carry bag.

Edit: I have owned an 11" laptop that cost me $1,200, and it didn't come with hardware accelleration. The compact size is awesome, but the lack of hardware accelleration sucked. I was amazed to learn about the M11x, lol. If you adjust your specs to have 8 GB of RAM but everything else at default, it will set you back about $1,149. I still think that's a great buy compared to my Latitude laptop. ;p


Doesn't playing on a 11'' screen defeat the purpose of playing graphically intensive games?


Yes. It's a decent screen for it's size, but unless you're desperate to have an ultra-portable gaming rig, it's just too small. It's also a LOT more than $799 by the time you check all of the necessary upgrades to make it potent enough for gaming. The base model sucks - and probably only exists so they can hook people in with "Starting at $799"

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#31 Apr 12 2010 at 10:54 AM Rating: Decent
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As someone who teaches 9th graders about the parts of PCs every semester, I don't think you should act so proud and cynical, as if knowing the parts of a computer is in any way difficult. I teach it to 9th graders in 2 weeks, and then they could tell you about the basics (function, current specs) of everything from hard drives to video cards to CPUs with multiple cores, to monitors.



GET A PS3.

There are no "great" gaming laptops under $1500.

Don't be so proud of being ignorant. A CPU (central processing unit) or "processor" is a computer's brain. A few years ago, Pentium 4 chips pushed the actual processing speed as high as it could go before heat started to become a serious issue. Because it was no longer practical to make chips faster, Intel instead turned to putting multiple processing cores (multiple "brains") on a single chip - allowing a computer to do more processing without an increase to the speed (and heat) at which the CPU operates.

Graphics cards control - you guessed it - graphical data. It gets processed by a separate card so that your CPU doesn't have to worry about the extra work. The model numbers are pretty straightforward, and with an iota of research (you know, a quick "google") you could figure out how good (or bad) any graphics card performs.

That's all there is to it. See - not that complicated.


Edited, Apr 12th 2010 10:24am by Jordster


I wasn't trying to be proud, or cynical. Just looking for some opinions from a trusted resource.
Sheesh, I'm sorry I'm not a ninth-grader at your school, Mr. Hateful.
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I wasn't trying to be proud, or cynical. Just looking for some opinions from a trusted resource.
Sheesh, I'm sorry I'm not a ninth-grader at your school, Mr. Hateful.


Maulsont wrote:
Okay, so, first of all... YES, I know there are a million tech threads similar to this one already, so don't hurt me too badly, ...but the truth is, I CAN'T UNDERSTAND THEM. I may be many things, one of them being an avid gamer, and I grew up on computers, true, but all the tech threads I'm reading are speaking of "duo-core" and "multi-core" processors (how many cores can you have??!! 0.o), video-card with names like "elk789sf#100,000,000", overclocking, different ram speeds (I don't quite understand), and just so many other things that I can't quite put together in my mind.


There have been dozens of tech threads already. None of them have been all that "advanced." Everything you need to know is in plain, simple English. Yet, you started another one ...

You spoke so proudly about your lack of tech-know-how and took zero responsibility for the fact that you clearly haven't tried to figure it out for yourself. To me, that is taking pride in your own ignorance. Wikipedia could teach you everything from what a processor is, to how many Intel is building into a single chip, to the lines of graphics cards ont he market. nVidia GTX260 is ... amazingly ... a graphics card made by nVidia in the GTX model line, model 260. Really ... Easy.

I'm not hateful. Your thread just reminds me of the Google generation and their demands for instant answers. Just buy a PS3. Then you don't have to worry about rattling your mind with some actual new learning.




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Get the computer. If you want the console experience, plug in a wireless controller, hook up to your TV and stereo, and sit on the couch. You can also get games for less money that look better, and you can actually do other things besides play video games with a computer.
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As someone who teaches 9th graders about the parts of PCs every semester, I don't think you should act so proud and cynical, as if knowing the parts of a computer is in any way difficult. I teach it to 9th graders in 2 weeks, and then they could tell you about the basics (function, current specs) of everything from hard drives to video cards to CPUs with multiple cores, to monitors.



GET A PS3.

There are no "great" gaming laptops under $1500.

Don't be so proud of being ignorant. A CPU (central processing unit) or "processor" is a computer's brain. A few years ago, Pentium 4 chips pushed the actual processing speed as high as it could go before heat started to become a serious issue. Because it was no longer practical to make chips faster, Intel instead turned to putting multiple processing cores (multiple "brains") on a single chip - allowing a computer to do more processing without an increase to the speed (and heat) at which the CPU operates.

Graphics cards control - you guessed it - graphical data. It gets processed by a separate card so that your CPU doesn't have to worry about the extra work. The model numbers are pretty straightforward, and with an iota of research (you know, a quick "google") you could figure out how good (or bad) any graphics card performs.

That's all there is to it. See - not that complicated.


This is false. :)

You can get a GREAT (yes, great) gaming laptop for under $1500. As mentioned already www.xoticpc.com and www.powernotebooks.com offer great Sager machines.

I bought my laptop last December for around $1000. Came with the following:

Sager 8662
Nvidia GTX260m w/ 1GB VRAM
15" 1920x1200
320GB 7200RPM HDD
2.53Ghz Intel Core 2 Duo P8700
4GB DDR3 RAM

Purchased from www.powernotebooks.com

Zero problems with it.

So, please, do your research before making such a ridiculous statement.
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#35 Apr 16 2010 at 5:33 PM Rating: Decent
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[quote] You can get a GREAT (yes, great) gaming laptop for under $1500. As mentioned already www.xoticpc.com and www.powernotebooks.com offer great Sager machines.

I bought my laptop last December for around $1000. Came with the following:

Sager 8662
Nvidia GTX260m w/ 1GB VRAM
15" 1920x1200
320GB 7200RPM HDD
2.53Ghz Intel Core 2 Duo P8700
4GB DDR3 RAM

Purchased from www.powernotebooks.com

Zero problems with it.

So, please, do your research before making such a ridiculous statement.


I wouldn't consider any laptop with a Core 2 Dou, a great gaming laptop, mediocre at best. Games are just being optimized for multiple cores/threads. Bad Company 2 and GTA IV are very CPU intensive games, and FFXIV developers already stated that the game will support multiple cores.
#36 Apr 16 2010 at 5:40 PM Rating: Good
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Zicash wrote:
[quote] You can get a GREAT (yes, great) gaming laptop for under $1500. As mentioned already www.xoticpc.com and www.powernotebooks.com offer great Sager machines.

I bought my laptop last December for around $1000. Came with the following:

Sager 8662
Nvidia GTX260m w/ 1GB VRAM
15" 1920x1200
320GB 7200RPM HDD
2.53Ghz Intel Core 2 Duo P8700
4GB DDR3 RAM

Purchased from www.powernotebooks.com

Zero problems with it.

So, please, do your research before making such a ridiculous statement.


I wouldn't consider any laptop with a Core 2 Dou, a great gaming laptop, mediocre at best. Games are just being optimized for multiple cores/threads. Bad Company 2 and GTA IV are very CPU intensive games, and FFXIV developers already stated that the game will support multiple cores.


Granted he bought it last year for only 1000 bucks, a core 2 duo is nothing to scoff at. Maybe at today's standards a c2d is "meh" compared to an i5 or better. So yes, for when he bought it, it was great. Every month or so your monster gaming machine is decades old.

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I wouldn't consider any laptop with a Core 2 Dou, a great gaming laptop, mediocre at best. Games are just being optimized for multiple cores/threads. Bad Company 2 and GTA IV are very CPU intensive games, and FFXIV developers already stated that the game will support multiple cores.


I play GTA4 on high with no lag.

But yes, this laptop is several months old but it's still a capable machine. By the way, mine is dual-core. Guess I forgot to mention that.

Technology is always advancing.My point is you CAN get a good gaming machine if you know where to look. Right now www.powernotebooks.com is offering the following:

Sager NP8690
15" 1920x1080
Nvidia GTX285m w/ 1GB VRAM
Intel Core I5-520M (2.66~2.933GHZ)
4GB DDR3
320GB 7200RPM HDD

For $1399. You can save some money by opting to use the base configuration.
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Im debating on picking up a new PC close to the release of XIV too, however i already have a PS3 and a 46" TV which i would think would be awefully nice to play on.

I played XI on the PS2 for a year and enjoyed being able to sit on my couch, but then played WoW for 5 years and now im used to the whole PC gaming thing. Might just end up getting both and switch between depending on my mood, not sure if i want to spend the cash on a new PC though. oh the delemma.
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I wouldn't consider any laptop with a Core 2 Dou, a great gaming laptop, mediocre at best. Games are just being optimized for multiple cores/threads. Bad Company 2 and GTA IV are very CPU intensive games, and FFXIV developers already stated that the game will support multiple cores.


I play GTA4 on high with no lag.

But yes, this laptop is several months old but it's still a capable machine. By the way, mine is dual-core. Guess I forgot to mention that.

Technology is always advancing.My point is you CAN get a good gaming machine if you know where to look. Right now www.powernotebooks.com is offering the following:

Sager NP8690
15" 1920x1080
Nvidia GTX285m w/ 1GB VRAM
Intel Core I5-520M (2.66~2.933GHZ)
4GB DDR3
320GB 7200RPM HDD

For $1399. You can save some money by opting to use the base configuration.


That is the machine I am running, except I have the i7 and the 280m, a blu-ray, and an SSD (and way more than 1300). The thing is an amazing machine. As he showed you can configure it for your price-range and it will perform admirably. You really can't compare an average laptop with a Sager though until you've held one in your hands. I've carried desktop machines around that were more flimsy than this thing. The only drawback to one of these machines if you must find one, is the power consumption when it isn't plugged in, and that it isn't recommended to use it on your lap due to the heat it puts out and the fans on the bottom, but to be quite honest, you are talking about a mobile desktop essentially. I've brought this over to my brother's place and played WoW and Dragon Age off his wifi.

As for the PS3, it is pretty simple, but in my experience there just isn't enough exclusive software on the system to make it worthwhile. The one positive is you can play PS1 games on them, and there are still some pretty good PS1 games out there with replay value like FFT and Breath of Fire 3 & 4. Laptops have the advantage of using whatever OS floats your boat with a massive selection of games you can buy, and an even larger selection of free flash-based content in addition to the glut of F2P MMOs out there.
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If you havn't decided yet Maulsont I have to say I picked up my PS3 a few days ago and I couldn't be more impressed with it. I had never played one up to this point so I didn't really have any expectations so needless to say I was blown out of the water. Compared to the 360 it's got a HUGE amount of features including a web browser, and not a watered down one either. It isn't the fasted browser in the world but it isn't the slowest.

Anyway I think it's a GREAT solution to your budget issue. I picked up a used one for 220$ + a year warranty for 40$. I'd recommend it if you buy used. But yeah I spent about 270$ and I have all the hardware I'm going to need to play XIV.
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