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#1 Apr 13 2010 at 9:28 AM Rating: Decent
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I wonder if Eu, US, JP versions on FFXIV are going to have different servers? I don’t remember such thing from FFXI. As I know they all had the same servers, not as WoW for example where they have different servers for each game version.
On the other hand I'm asking myself what kind of difference it would make if I choose to purchase the NA or the EU version to play (Assuming they are going to have same servers)?
Because I personally don’t liver neither in the EU nor in NA. One thing I know for sure, if I registered my character on EU I’m gonna be only able to play on the EU version. I've experienced this at least with my cousin!

Edited, Apr 13th 2010 11:43am by Wesam
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I vaguely recall them saying that the servers will be a worldwide mix as SE likes to play the "make friends around the world" angle.

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I believe it was already stated that there wouldn't be different servers for NA/JP/EU players. Everyone plays on all the servers. I'll look for a link later, unless someone beats me to it.
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I played NA FFXI for 6 years, and I live in Europe. Didn't really matter a lot to me. I had to import the expansion packs from America though, that's the only downside I can think of.

I was actually charged less monthly due to dollar being weaker than euro for quite some time. I don't think that works anymore though =P.
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I played FFXI in 2004, maybe some in 2003 I cant remember exactly. Anyways on the server I played on Sylph and alot of the JP players were racist. If you werent JP they wouldnt help you or invite you to a party, even if you used the translator. I am kinda disappointed they wont be seperating the servers by region.
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I have lots of .us, .jp, .fr, .uk, .ca, and .au friends, so I'm looking forward to all the regions mingling again ^_^
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UncleRuckusForLife wrote:
I played FFXI in 2004, maybe some in 2003 I cant remember exactly. Anyways on the server I played on Sylph and alot of the JP players were racist. If you werent JP they wouldnt help you or invite you to a party, even if you used the translator. I am kinda disappointed they wont be seperating the servers by region.


I think this is /why/ they wouldn't separate servers. Racism doesn't go away by ignoring it. When I was playing FFXI in 2007-2009 I got along with the JP players just fine, as did most players I knew on our server.

The only barrier that was ever annoying was the language barrier, which I think is more the reason for JP players wanting nothing to do with you, not racism. Perhaps FFXIV will implement a translation system that is more intuitive and doesn't make some JP players want to avoid people they can't openly hold conversations with.
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I enjoyed that at any hour, the FFXI world was always alive.

wonder if they'll open the game in other Asian countries, I see a lot more potential there than in Europe.
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UncleRuckusForLife wrote:
I played FFXI in 2004, maybe some in 2003 I cant remember exactly. Anyways on the server I played on Sylph and alot of the JP players were racist. If you werent JP they wouldnt help you or invite you to a party, even if you used the translator. I am kinda disappointed they wont be seperating the servers by region.


I remember this era, but as all eras it came to an end. I don't kno if it was just shear racism or just the fact they thought they were better than us newbies, and in the beginning they were. I made tons of JP friends and some even picked up a little english too. As of lately looking back at the "JP Onry" era to me its no different than those erogant ppl running around thinking they're better than the rest of vana'diel cuz they have X-weapon or X-gear. Yeah they may have the best gear but they acting just like the beginning and everyone is a "n00b".

I'm glad servers gonna stay same not seperating people by culture. I'm looking forward to seeing familiar faces as well as making new ones!
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#10 Apr 13 2010 at 10:30 AM Rating: Decent
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Thanks for the comments. I hope that some confirms that they are the same. Still I got no answer on the differences between both version EU and NA!? Because I'm confused and don't know where I should make my Sqaure Enix-Account!

Edited, Apr 13th 2010 12:32pm by Wesam
#11 Apr 13 2010 at 11:21 AM Rating: Decent
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[quote=UncleRuckusForLife]The only barrier that was ever annoying was the language barrier, which I think is more the reason for JP players wanting nothing to do with you, not racism. Perhaps FFXIV will implement a translation system that is more intuitive and doesn't make some JP players want to avoid people they can't openly hold conversations with.


when i think of an autotranslator i think of something that should automatically translate whatever you say into the language the person recieving the message would understand. in XI you could show what languages you could speak. i think in XIV it would be a great idea if they had you choose one language. this would put the AUTO in autotranslate.

what i mean by this is that any messages you recieve will automatically be translated to the language that you picked. granted some words would probably be out of place but you would still be able to figure out what they are saying. i think this would completely eliminate the language barrier and allow for a more cooperative community, when all the players dont speak the same language.

this would be especially helpful for people who live in another country but dont speak the language. this was one of the major gripes a friend of mine had while he was living in japan. few NA players were on during JP primetime and since he didnt speak japanese he had a hard time just getting through the game.

some people might say, well what about party chat, shouts, or linkshell chat. i think SE can program it to work so that it is still translated for each person. i have no idea how programming works but im sure the brains at SE can figure it out. if it is in fact not possible then another option would be an adapted translate funtion. you choose translate from the menu, it brings up your chat log and you choose what you want translated. yes this would still be as much of a hassle as the translator from XI but i think it would be able to get the point across better to the recieving individual. especially since the translator from XI didnt always have what you were trying to say.
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what i mean by this is that any messages you receive will automatically be translated to the language that you picked. granted some words would probably be out of place but you would still be able to figure out what they are saying. i think this would completely eliminate the language barrier and allow for a more cooperative community, when all the players don't speak the same language.


The problem with this is that it would not just be a few words match up. It would be a ton of words. Ever use google translator? Another problem is not just words, but phrases. While we may say "see spot run" Other languages may totally rephrase it, being "spot run see" One of the major problems in the early days was the auto translator did not translate what we thought it would. Like the word "may" people would try and translate May I please. Which would turn into "Fifth month I please" which makes no sense from the JP perspective. Our words have more then one meaning. (US english is one of the hardest languages to learn btw)

I don't think autotranslation technology is ready for this stage yet. (and lets not forget about typos!)
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#13 Apr 13 2010 at 11:47 AM Rating: Decent
yeah you have a solid point. i have actually never used googles translator so i have no idea what its like. as long as they implement something that works better than the translator in XI i think people will be happy, or happier at least.
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I seem to remember last week or so, it was said that the in game days would be in real time, i.e. if you come on in the evening it will be evening in game etc...but surely this can't be the case as the servers are a mix of people from all over..is it only that way in the Alpha stage? Or am I simply misinformed? (I got the information from a thread on these forums).
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I seem to remember last week or so, it was said that the in game days would be in real time, i.e. if you come on in the evening it will be evening in game etc...but surely this can't be the case as the servers are a mix of people from all over..is it only that way in the Alpha stage? Or am I simply misinformed? (I got the information from a thread on these forums).


I don't recall this information, and would think this would be impossible given all the implications that this game will allow for more casual players. Having a world in real-time would limit it's accessibility in many ways, turning a lot of people away.
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If this is so, which I highly doubt, then it will like be set to GMT. However I seriously doubt they would set the game up that way.
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That's exactly what I thought when I read the information. It may have been from a thread that got closed down due to leaked info. I can't seem to find it anymore so never mind, forget I mentioned it.
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Not to mention how many different quests/monsters/etc that can only be done at a certain time of day would be inaccessible for people who were unable to be on at that time just because of the particular time of day that it was. Also think back to the caps where mobs that you didn't like showed up at night. Imagine having to exp under those conditions all the time. At least you can say you exp'd more hardcore than someone else in a different part of the world?
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I seem to remember last week or so, it was said that the in game days would be in real time, i.e. if you come on in the evening it will be evening in game etc...but surely this can't be the case as the servers are a mix of people from all over..is it only that way in the Alpha stage? Or am I simply misinformed? (I got the information from a thread on these forums).


When Xi was coming to US I think it also said something similar between days/nights and the weather, but we kno how it is in Xi. Before I could get game on release date I used to sit and wonder how they gonna determine weather did they hire a meteorologist? Lol

I think they mean by real time is not actually real, but transfer between night and day as it would in the real world as we see in Xi.
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It's really bugging me as to where I saw it! Whoever posted said something along the lines of 'If you only come on during the evening, then you only ever see the evening in game'. Obviously we know this to be impractical on many levels, but am I the only person who saw this? If so, I'll book to see the Psychiatrist ASAP as I'm clearly seeing things.
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It's really bugging me as to where I saw it! Whoever posted said something along the lines of 'If you only come on during the evening, then you only ever see the evening in game'. Obviously we know this to be impractical on many levels, but am I the only person who saw this? If so, I'll book to see the Psychiatrist ASAP as I'm clearly seeing things.


Probably just an over reaction to something the devs said. Perhaps 1 game day in FFXIV will be 24 hours, RL. Maybe it will be 12. Maybe it will be 3. Only the testers know that right now.
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I was in the same boat as Wesam was. The Japanese were extremely racist on my server. I know it's gotten a lot better now and it's not really an issue anymore, but some of the things we endured back then were atrocious.

- 5 JP in an exp party with 1 NA player seeking and noone else (wouldn't matter if it was a needed job), they wouldn't invite you.
- Never seen an NA person blow up and slap someone for looking at their gear.
- They claimed that MPK didn't start until NA release (insinuating that we started it) but the truth was, they were the first to start MPKing NA players to get them out of NM spawn zones or exp camps they wanted.
- If they weren't that bad and tried MPKing you, they never hesitate to camp in other people's camps.
- Once NA started camping HNMs, they would say NA {Leave}
- Once we started claiming HNMs, they were the first to start botting.

Those are just a few things but as I stated, things are a lot better now and we've grown an understanding of the cultures and I believe both have learned a lot from one another. Transitions can be bad.
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wonder if they'll open the game in other Asian countries, I see a lot more potential there than in Europe.


Were you joking when you said this?

To add to the translation arguments, one of the major issues I have yet to see mentioned is slang and "teen talk." There is no way they can cover the translations for the slang of the youth of the world. Chile has been a life-changing Spanish experience for me because my entire life I have only ever been exposed to Castallana (Spain), Mexican-Spanish and Puerto Rican-Spanish. Chilean Spanish has so many "modismos" it's almost like a whole new language. Then there's everyone out there who insists on typing 'lik dis so u cnt undrstnd dem evn wen dey speak english." I think the one thing that would really help auto-translate is taking into account the fact that it is not a direct translation and translating it into what SE should know we want to say. A Japanese speaker reading and trying to understand <Mithra> <Fun> <Hole> isn't going to get anywhere because they don't use the same words for what people who speak English are referring to. Translators, however, should understand the formulas we use frequently enough to translate them more accurately to others. This would mean not every auto-translated word would be translated exactly the same each time; it would depend on the context.
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I say just translate everything to the language of R2D2. Then everyone will be on the same footing...unless you're an astro droid, in which case I hate you anyways.
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I say just translate everything to the language of R2D2. Then everyone will be on the same footing...unless you're an astro droid, in which case I hate you anyways.


Funny you should mention this... On the metro today some Chilean woman's cell phone started ringing and it was an R2D2 ringtone... o.O Who are you, really?
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I say just translate everything to the language of R2D2. Then everyone will be on the same footing...unless you're an astro droid, in which case I hate you anyways.


Funny you should mention this... On the metro today some Chilean woman's cell phone started ringing and it was an R2D2 ringtone... o.O Who are you, really?


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I spent some time thinking about this before when they originally announced they did not know if they beta would be split by region or if they would include the translator.

Racism, Ignorance, Exp/random Parties aside - there were very few NA players that were able to be accepted into a JP LS and vice versa (maybe not so much as unacceptance as unwillingness to join in the reverse) as far as the ability for those of two different languages to cooperate effectively. Why cut in 1/2 (or slightly less) the number of people that are able to group (again more LS/HNM events then simple exp parties) together.

That being said, some of the best parties I ever had were non-NA groups. I will even go so far as to say that, as an anecdote from my own personal experience, on the average, JP players are superior to NA Players, for reasons that aren't really pertinent to this particular discussion (AGAIN just my opinion and experience). I was always excited to join a JP group because I knew there would be less ******** around and more maxmizing the exp/hr.

I see some pluses and minuses to both sides. I think a lot of us sometimes tend to overcompensate in our minds, which cascades to our words and actions, the fact that we have to prove to the world the reason we agree with a particular viewpoint has nothing to do with racism or bias, when really I think that's a given, except of course for the smaller faction who actually are ignorant and make choices for these very reasons.

Sorry kind of rambling (blame the JD) but bottom line I think I prefer the diversity of the mixed servers, but would understand whichever choice was made.
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Racism, Ignorance, Exp/random Parties aside - there were very few NA players that were able to be accepted into a JP LS and vice versa (maybe not so much as unacceptance as unwillingness to join in the reverse) as far as the ability for those of two different languages to cooperate effectively. Why cut in 1/2 (or slightly less) the number of people that are able to group (again more LS/HNM events then simple exp parties) together.


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That being said, some of the best parties I ever had were non-NA groups. I will even go so far as to say that, as an anecdote from my own personal experience, on the average, JP players are superior to NA Players, for reasons that aren't really pertinent to this particular discussion (AGAIN just my opinion and experience). I was always excited to join a JP group because I knew there would be less ******** around and more maxmizing the exp/hr.


I think you answered your own question. At the start JP players basically were superior (although I hate using this word), because they had experience in this type of gaming and NA players didn't. And on top of that I guess another reasoning was: Why invite an inexperienced newb, who would mess up our rhythm unless we teach him what to do, but we can't even talk to him. Too much work...

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I like being able to do things at different hours of the day. I play at odd times a lot of the time and it's nice to be able to login and always have an active world with people from across the globe.
Having an NA-onry server would be kind of lame. Primetime there would be too many people on and the downtimes, you wouldn't be able to make a group. That's a bit of a stretch, but you get the point.

If you are unable to befriend those of other cultures, perhaps MMO's are not your cup of tea. If you are respectful and polite, you shouldn't have any problems with anyone. If you act like a momo, expect to be treated the same, regardless of who is judging you.
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I think that's a very excellent point regarding there being people on at all hours, particularly for those of use who like to stay up late. ^.^
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You just reminded me, can't believe I forgot. I remember when JP started "allowing" us into parties with them on a rare occurence if they needed the job we were. I leveled Bard and had the distinct pleasure of putting "NA PT ONLY" in my seacom and getting tells from JP players calling me racist.

The weird thing is, if you think about it, I wasn't in the wrong. Some might say "two wrongs don't make a right" but if you ask JP players, "JP PT ONLY" was perfectly acceptable and nothing wrong with it.

Either way, I think we've all gotten past our differences.

Also, just because someone can't get along with people from other culture, doesn't mean MMOs are not for them. There are MMOs that split servers. WoW is a perfect example.
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#32 Apr 17 2010 at 7:11 AM Rating: Good
I would say from late 2003 to early 2005, I dreaded logging on after 9est because parties would be so much harder to find, even if there were 40 people seeking. That "JP onry" little comment irked me so bad. I had a bad taste in my mouth until I quit playing and went to WoW. After playing with the serious Rtards that come out on that game, the "JP onry" seemed a lot more justified.

I don't think they should split the servers up at all, I think the JP have since gotten used to how the NA do things and vice versa, so it's not an excruciating experience anymore, just go with the flow.
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Only split I know of is Europe vs. USA (added with some "Oceanic"/Asian groups).
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The relationship between NA/EU and JP players should be better from the start this time around since we all learned how to deal with each other through playing XI. Hopefully, as some others have stated, they implement a better translation system that lets us communicate more effectively with our JP counterparts.
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I have a JP counterpart!? O.O


Joking aside, I never played FFXI, so I don't know how bad it was, so I can't really comment on that, but I have heard stories about it...and reading this thread made them seem true, at least, on certain servers.

Really, I'm sure it will be better on this game...a good translator would help :P
#36 Apr 17 2010 at 11:00 AM Rating: Decent
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The relationship between NA/EU and JP players should be better from the start this time around since we all learned how to deal with each other through playing XI. Hopefully, as some others have stated, they implement a better translation system that lets us communicate more effectively with our JP counterparts.


Maybe some things have changed since I stopped playing, but if the whole "all of this tension exists because of the other guy" ******** is still the same common mindset, it'll be exactly the same.
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Didn't read the whole thing. But to those saying people that only want to play with those of their own languages, that's not racism (at least not neccarily). It's just easier. It's easier to do things when you all speak the same language. You can also talk casually while you kill monsters.
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Drofrehter wrote:
The relationship between NA/EU and JP players should be better from the start this time around since we all learned how to deal with each other through playing XI.


I think some of us are forgetting that, since FFXIV is moving towards the 'casual player pool,' there are going to be plenty of people starting this game that have never played FFXI, and some of them have even commented in this exact thread. I am in agreement with Aurelius; I don't think things are going to change as much as people think. A lot of rivalries may even be carried over from FFXI to FFXIV between players.

The new players to the FF MMO scene, and even the MMO scene period, are going to have a harder time adjusting to things such as a translator and playing with people they have to put effort into when communicating. Also, there will be plenty of people who believe the servers should be separate, like in WoW, and will probably be more disrespectful because of it. I have run into issues with preference based off of country before, not even just between JP/NA but EU as well, and I have also had great experiences when I got to mix things up. That being said, not all casual/inexperienced players are going to be as tolerant.
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Meh it doesn't really bother me if people don't want to play. There are plenty out there who do. And if there are slow moments you got more decent solo options (right?) in FFXIV then you had in FFXI. Tensions shouldn't be as high this time.
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Considering all the 'tensions' it really makes me wonder why they went back to this model if so many we dissatified with it.
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I never had trouble getting into japanese parties. In fact, some of the best parties I've been in were 5 Japanese players and me. It's a little awkward in the beginning when they were trying to tell me to fish for a monster, and me asking who was the tank, but we worked it out and they turned out to be every good exp parties.

'JP Only' isn't racist, they just prefer to be able to communicate effectively with their party members. It takes a while to use the Auto-Translate function effectively, and if your party gets into a bad situation it's alot easier to say "heal me!" than search for (Heal!)<me>(please). Can you imagine having to explain a Raid-Boss fight in WoW to someone using an autotranslate function? The simplicity goes a long way in endgame content. I never had a Japanese player walk up and slap me, or anything remotely close to that. Most of the time they would toss me a Cure or Protect.

I really enjoy playing with players that don't speak my language, not only does it add a new challenge, but it feels alot more like an MMORPG. I doubt everyone in Vana'diel spoke the same language, but for the most part they were fighting towards a common goal. It just adds a certain immursion factor for me at least.
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